PipeChat Digest #4398 - Wednesday, March 31, 2004
 
my presumed largesse
  by "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com>
Re: church prowlers and intruders
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: church prowlers and intruders
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
A Request For Help (Revised) XPosted
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net>
church prowlers and intruders
  by "Patricia/Thomas Gregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net>
Re: Organ freaks
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: my presumed largesse
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Website finally up! X-posted
  by "Larry Wheelock" <llwheels@mac.com>
Re: church prowlers and intruders
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Re: Subject: Re: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish?  ..
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: church prowlers and intruders
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: Ideas for Sun, April 25 (Earth Day Sunday)
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: Frank Flour et al (was: Music Available - CAUTION!!!)
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: mental illness in the parish( afraid for your life)?
  by "Angus Sinclair" <angsinc@oxford.net>
Re: Ideas for Sun, April 25 (Earth Day Sunday)
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Remove
  by "J.Pringle" <jpp@eltham-college.org.uk>
Re: Creston and Cleveland AGO
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
RE: Ideas for Sun, April 25 (Earth Day Sunday)
  by <Mark.Harris@fac.lon.ac.uk>
RE: Frank Flour et al (was: Music Available - CAUTION!!!)
  by <Mark.Harris@fac.lon.ac.uk>
 

(back) Subject: my presumed largesse From: "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:18:14 -0800 (PST)   To the list: please forbear this little lapse in non-list matters as I = reply to Alan. Alas, I am but a poor church musician. The beneficiary of my largesse = will be fortunate to have more than one number to the left of the decimal = point. Being independent of any financial means, I could of course write = you a check for any amount you desire. Should the bank be fooled into = cashing the check, I will happily split the proceeds with you on the plane = leaving the country! Richard   Alan Freed <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> wrote: On 3/30/04 5:37 PM, "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com> wrote:   I owe money to the person who sent me the Creston recording made from LP. = I have (blush, foot brushes the ground in shame) forgotten the name of my = benefactor. Please contact me offlist and let me square this with you.   I don=92t know how much is involved. But on the off chance that it=92s in = the mid-four-figures or better, you can send it to me to hold for a while. = My USPS address is . . . . .   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: church prowlers and intruders From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:22:03 -0500   On 3/30/04 5:53 PM, "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com> wrote:   > I commented that he played very well (what was I to do?).   Mike, I don't know the answer to that question either. But if it were in NYC, or EVEN if were in suburban Madison, I think I'd like to seek counsel from the local cops about the right answer.   You guys are SCARING me! And I live in the BRONX.   I've had three attempts made on me (none successful) in the past 30 years--but none in the past 20 years; I think the word has got around: Don't mess with that guy. (Actually, as you may have been reading, crime rate in NYC is like those of Boise, DesMoines, etc.--in gross numbers.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: RE: church prowlers and intruders From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:14:58 -0600   What you got against church-going snakes? It might have been an organ fan, too.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Pepehomer@aol.com   When I was young, I used to practice (well, play around on, I wouldn't call it practice) in the church that we were at, in rural Kansas. One time I climbed the steps into the balcony, proceeded to turn the power source on to the pipes, and looked down - lo and behold, a large snake just sitting on top of a pew. End of practice session. I'm not sure what type it was, but it was at least 3 feet long.        
(back) Subject: A Request For Help (Revised) XPosted From: "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:27:46 -0500   Greetings fellow Listers, A slight addition to my original post of this morning.   I am again appealing to the lists for assistance in finding a copy of an old OHS Cassette Tape made back in 1983 of Earl Miller playing the Worcester,( Massachusetts) Kimball. This has long been out of print and I would really like to obtain a copy of it.   If any one has it and would be willing to make a copy or send it to me to copy I would be very grateful and can either provide a blank tape or the postage to send it or a cd of the tape as that is what I will convert it to for my use.   Please reply privately to Mack02445@comcast.net.   Thanks in Advance   Mack    
(back) Subject: church prowlers and intruders From: "Patricia/Thomas Gregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:51:06 -0600   I was organist/choir director/handbell director in a downtown Waukesha church for 32 years.   I realized early on that evening practice by myself was not wise. The church building was open throughout the day allowing persons to enter and leave at will. During the winter months the balcony was a warm resting place for the homeless in the area.   Although I never had a problem during the day I was often asked for money. The pastors told me to send the individuals to the local Salvation Army which is supported by several downtown congregations.   I did have one young man who asked me for money, not for him, but for cat food. Couldn't turn that one down!   Best wishes,   p.s. I know several organists who take their dogs with them for evening practice. Good idea! -- Thomas and Patricia Gregory 716 West College Avenue Waukesha WI USA 53186-4569  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ freaks From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:56:46 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: RE: Organ freaks     > At 08:05 AM 3/30/04, you wrote: > > and go straight to the > >organ without turning any church lights on. > > My dad had a similar story...he would go straight to the organ w/o = turning > on lights when he went to practice. One night he was practicing and had = a > creepy feeling about being there. Suddenly a bright light lit up the > chancel and a corpse was sitting up in a casket. He hit the deck running > but his curiosity made him go back. He didn't believe in ghosts either. > What had happened was there was a funeral scheduled in the morning and = the > deceased and casket were already in place. Evidently some post death > muscular response had caused the body to sit up. The sudden bright light > also had an explanation. There was a YWCA across the street and someone had > turned on a light in a bathroom which provided light down into the = church > through a convenient window. He turned on lights after that to prevent = any > more surprises.   I have spent much of my life groping my way around churches in the dark, = but have never had any frightening or unusual experiences, even in my College Chapel in Oxford, which was supposedly haunted. I did on one occasion = miss my way in a churchyard in the dark and trip over a tombstone, causing painful injuries to my shin, but this was hardly a paranormal experience. Tripping over in the dark is indeed one of the main perils. I knew one organist of an Anglo-Catholic church in England, who was walking across = the chancel carrying a pile of music and went flying over a woman from the congregation who had prostrated herself in the dark front of the high = altar.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: my presumed largesse From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:14:37 -0500   On 3/30/04 8:18 PM, "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com> wrote:   > Alas, I am but a poor church musician. The beneficiary of my largesse = will be > fortunate to have more than one number to the left of the decimal point. > Being independent of any financial means, I could of course write you a = check > for any amount you desire. Should the bank be fooled into cashing the = check, > I will happily split the proceeds with you on the plane leaving the = country! > Richard:   Obviously, I have offended very seriously. I extend my most humble = apology. My silly sense of humor has been misconstrued.   My warmest good wishes to you.   Alan   (On second thought . . . no, leave it alone, Alan)      
(back) Subject: Website finally up! X-posted From: "Larry Wheelock" <llwheels@mac.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:29:41 -0600   After much delay the site holding information on Felix Hell's April 25th recital is on the internet at www.kenwood-umc.org   We were delayed first, by the loss of our webmaster, and then for another week by a worm at the District server which houses our web-site. Hopefully in just a few more days, the stoplist of the A.O. Smith Memorial organ will also be posted, so check back in a day or two.   Come Hear Felix!!!!!!!!!!!!!!     Larry Wheelock Director of Music Ministries Kenwood United Methodist Church Milwaukee, Wisconsin musicdirector@kenwood-umc.org    
(back) Subject: Re: church prowlers and intruders From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:12:48 EST   In a message dated 3/30/04 3:44:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, Pepehomer@aol.com writes:   << One time I climbed the steps into the balcony, proceeded to turn the = power source on to the pipes, and looked down - lo and behold, a large snake = just sitting on top of a pew. >>   A question does come to mind: Was this a church in which snake-handling = was done???       and an even worse joke:   Q: What's the Tennessee (or West Virginia or Alabama, etc) version of high =   church?   A: Two snakes.  
(back) Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish? .. From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:23:06 EST   Being a retired QMRP (Qualified Mental Retardation Professional), I have = seen people with developmental disabilities in institutions who were tied to = the bed with leather straps and put in straight jackets to now, trying to put = as many in private homes as possible, closing many of the facilities. There = is still a state school in Oklahoma (I just moved to Texas 9 months ago, so I = am not familiar with this state) and there are assisted living facilities (which = are nothing but institutions). Many are still in group homes, but these, too, =   are mini institutions. Where I lived, in Chickasha, OK, the apartment = allowed people with all kinds of disabilities if they could care for themselves or = have home health services. When some of the institutions were closed many went = to other facilities. These were the people with behavior problems and the physically fragile. It was allowed that they could go to geriatric = nursing homes, if all they needed was medical attention. Some of the more violent went = to a still open institution for the mentally ill. The trend is to get everyone = out of institutions. However, having worked with adults with almost every = type of developmental disability and those who were dually diagosed (both = mentally ill and developmentally disabled) I believe there should be a place other = than living in the community for them to get proper care. The aids who care = for the people living in privates homes are mostly untrained, or go through 1 = or 2 days of training. Of the 6 people the agency for which I worked took out = of institutions and put in homes, 2 died because of lack of medical care. = Some have done very well in private homes and even were able to get part time = jobs. Here is another problem. The state demands they have jobs. However, is = they make over $500 a month (considered gainfully employed) for an extended = period of time, they loose some of their benefits, including medical care. They cannot work enough to get benefits from the employers. The system does = not work. Having been in charge of the state surveys and the paperwork required on = each person, the Individual Program Plans for each person were unrealistic in = order to meet the criteria required by the state.   I had the most success reaching people with DD and MI with music. We had = a choir of both disabled and non disabled and went to nursing homes to = entertain. However, these were people with the mildest of problems. A very few were =   even able to learn to play the piano and organ (there was a spinet organ = in the group home). I also gave private lessons in my home and developed a music =   plan for each student based on their ability. Those who lived in the = community were involved in various churches where their aides attended, if they = desired to attend church. Most of the churches welcomed them, as long as an aide was =   with them. Very few go to church on their own and most churches do not = have programs to go into the community to minister to them. When working with Native American people with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, = many of them had artistic ability. I believed, wherever I worked that each = person has something they can do better than anything else and if we could find = it we emphasized that talent, giving them more confidence. As this is not about =   Pipe Organs, I better get off my soap box and finish reading the 100+ = emails left. Lee    
(back) Subject: Re: church prowlers and intruders From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:43:12 -0600   Glenda wrote: > What you got against church-going snakes? It might have been an organ > fan, too.   Maybe the snake was going to do some more tempting, like that first = fateful sin. . .   Too bad Adam & Eve didn't turn tail and run like h-e-double hockey sticks!   Faithfully,   G.A.   -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO <>< Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS  
(back) Subject: Re: Ideas for Sun, April 25 (Earth Day Sunday) From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:45:59 EST   Two hymns could be "This is My Father's World," and "For the Beauty of the =   Earth." Lee    
(back) Subject: Re: Frank Flour et al (was: Music Available - CAUTION!!!) From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:55:33 EST   How about Joe Green? Lee    
(back) Subject: Re: mental illness in the parish( afraid for your life)? From: "Angus Sinclair" <angsinc@oxford.net> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:55:05 -0500   Correct! Gerald Bales was never the same after that incident in Minneapolis...he believed that was what triggered his Multiple Sclerosis = as well as a series of small strokes.....and his playing technique went downhill to the point that he could no longer "feel" the keys because of the numbness in his hands, ending his career as a concert organist. Angus   ---------- From: atal <atal@sympatico.ca> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Re: mental illness in the parish( afraid for your life)? Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 1:58 PM   I believe the organist in Minneapolis was Gerald Bales - a much-respected figure, especially in Canada (he passed away a couple of years ago, in London, Ontario I believe). He was permanently incapacitated after that attack. Andreas Thiel St. Marys, Ontario ----- Original Message ----- From: T.Desiree' Hines <mailto:nicemusica@yahoo.com> To: PipeChat <mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:59 AM Subject: Re: mental illness in the parish( afraid for your life)? Mental Illness in a church (or area) is something that we all should be aware of. Especially for those of us in Urban areas and in the crime-high parts of those urban areas. What many people don't know is that Dr. Martin L.King Jr's mother, Alberta Williams King, was a very accomplished pipe organist. She was organist at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, which now houses a large Rodgers Dig/Pipe combo (Pinchi?). Mrs. Williams-King was shot to death in a shooting...during a church service...by a gunman...who was mentally ill. Ironically, she and her son both died doing their Godly Callings. There was also a case in the early 80's I think where one of the well = known names in Organ music... AH! Minneapolis at St Marks Epis. Cathedral...I don't remember who...but they were the victim of an extreme = assault/battery by someone who was mentally distrubed. The things we have to learn to live with, especially if we live in urban areas.     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center <http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html> - File online. File on time.    
(back) Subject: Re: Ideas for Sun, April 25 (Earth Day Sunday) From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:12:18 -0800   Don't forget "All Things Bright and Beautiful" and "The Spacious Firmament On High".   Cheers,   Bud   OMusic@aol.com wrote:   > Two hymns could be "This is My Father's World," and "For the Beauty of > the Earth." > Lee      
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(back) Subject: Re: Creston and Cleveland AGO From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:14:34 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   Richard, t'was I who sent the Creston Toccata recording across the pond, but I certainly don't expect any remuneration for it!   Before Alan Freed falls foul of international law and further attempts to obtain money by deception, you have my permission to send him a care package!   Regards,     Colin Mitchell UK     --- Richard Hazelip <rhazelip1@yahoo.com> wrote: > > BTW, I owe money to the person who sent me the > Creston recording made from LP. I have (blush, foot > brushes the ground in shame) forgotten the name of > my benefactor.   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html  
(back) Subject: RE: Ideas for Sun, April 25 (Earth Day Sunday) From: <Mark.Harris@fac.lon.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:27:51 +0100   Earth Sunday? What tosh is this? It's St. Mark's Day!   =20   Mark Harris   London      
(back) Subject: RE: Frank Flour et al (was: Music Available - CAUTION!!!) From: <Mark.Harris@fac.lon.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:44:56 +0100   Sorry to pour cold water (or should that be sour cream?) on the proceedings, but Gus Painter isn't Mahler. Painter is "Maler" (remember Hindemith's Mathis der Maler?). Mahler would come from the verb mahlen (to grind), not malen (to paint). So our Gustav would be Gus Grinder. And if you think that's just plain silly, remember that there's a Mr. Grinder in The Zoo, a one-act operetta of 1875 for which Arthur Sullivan composed the music. Whether this Mr. Grinder's name was Gus the history of music does not record.   =20   Organ content: does anyone know of any organ music by Sullivan?   =20   I'll go in and shut my door now :-)   =20   Mark Harris   London   =20