PipeChat Digest #4478 - Sunday, May 2, 2004
 
Re: Small instruments and boring playing.
  by "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
RE: What Dale is saying in "boring" is.
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Small instruments and boring playing. From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 08:08:29 +0800   An English organ I play on occasions has the following stoplist:   Great: Open diapason 8, Stop Diapason 8 Swell: Gamba 8, Principal 4 Pedal: Bordun (sic) 16   Great to pedal, Swell to Great O no swell box. IT has been removed to = allow better egress for the swell which is very soft.   OK you players of large organs, what would you do with this one? = Actually, the sound is lovely, but..... Bob Elms.   PS It is a Kirkland of England, b. 1890. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Will Light=20 To: 'PipeChat'=20 Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 12:46 AM Subject: Small instruments and boring playing.     I think it is the mark of a master-organist that they can get a lot = out of a little. The first few organs which I learned on were tiny by = American standards - but the wise old gentlemen who taught me made a = point of explaining how you can get a whole lot more out of the "boring = little instrument" by some clever playing techniques. E.g. many stops, = because of the way they are scaled, have an entirely different = "character" in the lowest two octaves, the middle octave, and the upper = two octaves - so, for example, one can get an entirely new "stop" by = using a 4 foot flute and playing the solo line an octave or even two = octaves lower than written, down in the tenor register, where it is = seldom if ever heard. Making your own "cornet" or "clarinet" by use of = partials is another technique which comes into this category of "getting = more for your money" by playing techniques, although really small organs = over here don't have much in the way of partials to play with. I'm not = sure if I'm really explaining what I mean but - whatever!       What I'm really getting at is that it probably takes a lot more skill, = thought and planning, to get something exciting and musical from a = typical English Parish Church organ, with a specification something like = the following, than it does from an enormous American Organ with 3 = manuals and 70 or 80 ranks.       Will's made-up typical English Parish Church Organ: (Tony - please = correct me if I'm wrong about this!)       Pedal:   Bourdon 16   Bass Flute 8       Great:   Open Diapason 8   Stopped Diapason 8   Gamba 8   Principal 4   Flute 4   Fifteenth 2   Trumpet 8       Swell:   Open Diapason 8   Lieblich Gedact 8   Echo Gamba 8   Voix Celeste 8   Gemshorn 4   Piccolo 2   Cornopean 8       Couplers:   Swell to Pedal   Great to Pedal   Swell to Great       2 combination pedals to Great (not adjustable)   2 combination pedals to Swell (not adjustable)       Actually, looking at this, I think I've probably gone overboard, and = made this much too comprehensive a specification to be a true "average" = Anyway, just have a look at our NPOR to see the true state of affairs.       Will Light Coventry UK   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf = Of Keys4bach@aol.com Sent: 02 May 2004 03:05 To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: electronic substitutes (kinda long)       In a message dated 5/1/2004 12:02:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, = Steskinner@aol.com writes:         Yes, indeed. That would be a boring player. No fault of the organ. =20       cannot let this one sit here.   you can only wring so much out of something. At that point I THE = PLAYER would be bored............the fault of the organ is that it is = limited and can only be wrung out so much. I had a 26 rank Austin, = nothing nice about it and after 6 months i cried when i thought about = how to program a DIFFERENT recital every year.   i rented electronics for ALL major choral works except Vivaldi's = Gloria. It was PERFECT for that piece.   BTW, i have heard broing playing on large organs too.   <G> dale in florida    
(back) Subject: RE: What Dale is saying in "boring" is. From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 17:11:21 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   That's an interesting observation from Will Light.   It is my view that the "character" of an instrument is almost entirely confined to the musical sounds in the two middle octaves of the 4ft range.   Of course, that also includes the harmonics from lower range pipes.   For those with a graphic equaliser, there is an interesting experiment which can be carried out.   By sloping off the middle frequencies, it is possible to hear (say) a typical Skinner (US) or a Harrison (UK) as a Cavaille-Coll (almost).   It is also possible to make the sound of a typical modern baroque organ resemble the sound of a William Hill organ, by reversing the process in increasing the amplitude of the middle frequencies and winding up the bass.   I've known this for years, and have even included the demonstration in lectures.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK         --- Will Light <will.light@btinternet.com> wrote: > I believe that scientific research or theory or > something tells us that it > is 4 foot tone which the congregation uses to "hear" > the tune rather than > the 8     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover