PipeChat Digest #4479 - Monday, May 3, 2004
 
Re: Small instruments and boring playing.
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Restoration of a Skinner instrument
  by <Swedish5702@aol.com>
Re: Good Shepherd Sunday in a teeny-tiny hamlet
  by "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com>
Guilmant
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
MAY PROCESSION AND CROWNING, MEMPHIS (x post)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Organ Artists Series of Pittsburgh (X-posted)
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
Re: Small instruments and boring playing.
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Gottfried help
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: Small instruments and boring playing.
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
Re: Ya know...im just happy
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Good Shepherd Sunday in a teeny-tiny hamlet
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: Good Shepherd Sunday in a teeny-tiny hamlet
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Small instruments and boring playing. From: "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 20:29:30 -0400   List --=20   An iteresting thing happened today at church -- when I arrived there was = a note on the music rack pretty much lambasting my hymn accompaniment, = timing and volume levels (I believe it was written by one of the ladies = in the church who used to be a church organist at a previous employer of = mine). I showed the note to the music director and let him know that = today was going to be 8' Sunday. I quickly set 8 combinations of = varying color and volume to use on the instrument (4/9? = Rodgers/Wicks/Ruffati) which consisted of a combination of pipe and = digital ranks. No 4' couplers were used and only one 16' in the pedal. = Following the postlude he rushed to the organ to find out how I = accomplished the diversity using only 8' ranks. I showed him the = combinations and he was quite amazed (and he's no slouch when it comes = to playing either). Had this instrument not been modified to it's = current magnitude I would have been stuck with one soft flute @ 8' on = the swell and choir and an exposed principal and 8' Holz Gedackt on the = great along with an 8' oboe on the swell and 8' Clarinet on the choir. = As it stod I have a wealth of digital and pipe voices at 8' which = provided me with a certain degree of variety as well as satisfying my = sometimes overinflated ego.=20   I love my hybrid instrument.   Tom Hoehn, Organist Roaring 20's Pizza & Pipes, Ellenton, FL (substitute - 4/42 Wurlitzer) First United Methodist Church, Clearwater, FL (4/9?- = Rodgers/Ruffati/Wicks) Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS/VotS-ATOS/DTOS http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: bobelms=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 8:08 PM Subject: Re: Small instruments and boring playing.     An English organ I play on occasions has the following stoplist:   Great: Open diapason 8, Stop Diapason 8 Swell: Gamba 8, Principal 4 Pedal: Bordun (sic) 16   Great to pedal, Swell to Great O no swell box. IT has been removed to = allow better egress for the swell which is very soft.   OK you players of large organs, what would you do with this one? = Actually, the sound is lovely, but..... Bob Elms.   PS It is a Kirkland of England, b. 1890. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Will Light=20 To: 'PipeChat'=20 Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 12:46 AM Subject: Small instruments and boring playing.     I think it is the mark of a master-organist that they can get a lot = out of a little. The first few organs which I learned on were tiny by = American standards - but the wise old gentlemen who taught me made a = point of explaining how you can get a whole lot more out of the "boring = little instrument" by some clever playing techniques. E.g. many stops, = because of the way they are scaled, have an entirely different = "character" in the lowest two octaves, the middle octave, and the upper = two octaves - so, for example, one can get an entirely new "stop" by = using a 4 foot flute and playing the solo line an octave or even two = octaves lower than written, down in the tenor register, where it is = seldom if ever heard. Making your own "cornet" or "clarinet" by use of = partials is another technique which comes into this category of "getting = more for your money" by playing techniques, although really small organs = over here don't have much in the way of partials to play with. I'm not = sure if I'm really explaining what I mean but - whatever!       What I'm really getting at is that it probably takes a lot more = skill, thought and planning, to get something exciting and musical from = a typical English Parish Church organ, with a specification something = like the following, than it does from an enormous American Organ with 3 = manuals and 70 or 80 ranks.       Will's made-up typical English Parish Church Organ: (Tony - please = correct me if I'm wrong about this!)       Pedal:   Bourdon 16   Bass Flute 8       Great:   Open Diapason 8   Stopped Diapason 8   Gamba 8   Principal 4   Flute 4   Fifteenth 2   Trumpet 8       Swell:   Open Diapason 8   Lieblich Gedact 8   Echo Gamba 8   Voix Celeste 8   Gemshorn 4   Piccolo 2   Cornopean 8       Couplers:   Swell to Pedal   Great to Pedal   Swell to Great       2 combination pedals to Great (not adjustable)   2 combination pedals to Swell (not adjustable)       Actually, looking at this, I think I've probably gone overboard, and = made this much too comprehensive a specification to be a true "average" = Anyway, just have a look at our NPOR to see the true state of affairs.       Will Light Coventry UK   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf = Of Keys4bach@aol.com Sent: 02 May 2004 03:05 To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: electronic substitutes (kinda long)       In a message dated 5/1/2004 12:02:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, = Steskinner@aol.com writes:         Yes, indeed. That would be a boring player. No fault of the organ. =20       cannot let this one sit here.   you can only wring so much out of something. At that point I THE = PLAYER would be bored............the fault of the organ is that it is = limited and can only be wrung out so much. I had a 26 rank Austin, = nothing nice about it and after 6 months i cried when i thought about = how to program a DIFFERENT recital every year.   i rented electronics for ALL major choral works except Vivaldi's = Gloria. It was PERFECT for that piece.   BTW, i have heard broing playing on large organs too.   <G> dale in florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Restoration of a Skinner instrument From: <Swedish5702@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 20:32:38 EDT   Good Evening:   Thank you for all that responded to the above. I will be on vacation for = a few weeks. When I get back I will contact those who requested I do so and = we will go from there.   In the old church the instrument was divided to either side of the altar = and spoke the length of the auditorium. Sadly, in the new A frame building = they put it in the rear gallery.   Is it difficult to wind chests in the front or along the front sides? I would like to see the instrument grow to three manuals and if possible = 36-40 ranks.   I have the ear of an elderly lady member who wants to see the Skinner restored and enlarged.   When I return, I will post the specs of the original and the current arrangement.   Regards, Craig    
(back) Subject: Re: Good Shepherd Sunday in a teeny-tiny hamlet From: "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 17:45:15 -0700     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> > I suddenly didn't hear anything else she said, because God was nudging > me in the ribs and saying, "Remember?" Yeah, yeah, yeah. I drove all > the way home with sore sides. > > So all your talk about bad organs is pretty wasted on me - like Justice > Potter Stewart on obscenity, I know it when I see it, and I've played it > and met the former incumbent from hell.   Glenda,   Thanks for the account. Clearly you are a person to whom Things Happen, = and better you than me.   I only wonder if/why you will go back for three more weeks of this. You = know it won't get better (from your point of view), and at the end of the month they'll be heartbroken that you're not staying permanently. Surely just = one week would be better for everyone?   Sympathetically, MAF      
(back) Subject: Guilmant From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 20:15:18 -0500   I was going to pull my "Paraphrase on a chorus of Handel on Judas Macabbeas" today, and cannot find it anywhere. I know I looked at it less than a month ago. I was hoping to play it in the next three weeks, but it's been awhile.   Can someone tell me which volume it's in? I cannot for the life of me remember. Was it volume 8 of L'Organiste Pratique? Volume 7 or Leupold?   Thanks.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: MAY PROCESSION AND CROWNING, MEMPHIS (x post) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 21:17:05 EDT   Holy Rosary Catholic Church, Memphis Tennessee   EVENING PRAYER AND MAY CROWNING In honor of Our Lady, Queen of the Most Holy Rosary Patroness and Namesake of our Parish   Ora pro nobis, sancta Dei Genetrix (Pray for us, O holy Mother of God)   Sunday, 2 May 2004, 6:00 PM   The Reverend Fr. Bryan P. Timby, Pastor: Presider Deacon Fred Brunner: Assisting Scott F. Foppiano: Organist and Director of Music   Organ Voluntary: "Ave Maris de Lourdes" by Dom Paul Benoit   Introit: "Salve Regina" sung by The St. Gregory Schola Boychoir   Processional: Immaculate May (Lourdes Pilgrim Hymn)   Greeting   Rite of Sprinkling: Baptized in Water (tune: Bunessan)   Opening Prayer   Reading: Psalm 40   Hymn: O Sanctissima (tune: O Sanctissima)   Prayer   Reading: I Samuel 3: 1-10   Reflection: "Invitation" (Anonymous) read antiphonally   Gospel Canticle: "My Soul Rejoices" by Owen Alstott -Incensation of the High Altar and Paschal Candle during singing   Intercessory Prayers The Lord's Prayer   Motet: "Ave Maria" by Jacob Arcadelt     THE RITE OF CROWNING Thanksgiving and Invocation   The Crowning of the Statue of the Blessed Mother   The Procession of Flowers banked at the feet of the Blessed Mother -the 2nd Grade First Communicants and the 8th Grade Confirmands   Hymns during the Procession of Flowers: -Bring Flowers of the Fairest -On This Day, O Beautiful Mother -O Queen of the Holy Rosary (tune: Ellacombe)   The Praying of the Rosary (The Glorious Mysteries)   Dismissal Prayer and Blessing   Recessional: "Hail Holy Queen, Enthroned Above" (tune: Salve Regina = Deitas)   * * * * *   As a personal postscript, before I get bombarded with negative emails regarding some of the musical selections used in this evening's service: = the congregation and choir absolutely shook the rafters singing "Bring Flowers = of the Fairest" and "On This Day, O Beautiful Mother." Being a Parish devoted to = Our Lady those two hymns, while somewhat dated, garnered nothing but overly = positive response and singing! More parishes should bring them back after many = years of being deemed unsuitable, for whatever reason. Whoever does so will = gain nothing but very positive feedback and many thanks.   They are available in the new hymnal "The Traditional Roman Hymnal" which = can be viewed at http://www.aquinasandmore.com/index.cfm/FuseAction/store.ItemDetails/SKU/24= 72/Category/125/22EB7F0D-65B8-D4D4-D4CE33EC5701FB91.htm and http://hymnal.fc2web.com/ They are also set to SATB harmony in the 1927 St. Basil Hymnal.   "My Soul Rejoices" is a lovely setting of the Magnificat by Owen Alstott which is quite beautiful and simple for a congregation to sing. In a = situation such as this, it is most appropriate, and is published by Oregon Catholic = Press.   Scott F. Foppiano Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.    
(back) Subject: Organ Artists Series of Pittsburgh (X-posted) From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 21:26:19 -0400   The OAS celebrated its 25th season (4 concerts/season: 2 Fall, 2 Spring) = with a gala concert at Heinz Chapel, Pitt campus (III/73 Reuter, 1994). Rick Elliott of SLC = Tabernacle was the organ artist, but it was very much "Organ-plus," with the Bach Choir of Pgh = (Brady Allred, departing director, already at UUtah, SLC.) The program:   Britten, Festival TeDeum and Rejoice in the Lamb   Warlock, Capriol Suite (arr. Elliott)   Glenn L. Rudolph (local composer, work commissioned for this event): Organ prelude on 'Angeli' Anthem, "Lord God, to thee we all give praise" text by Philip Melanchthon, Luther's colleague Organ Postlude on 'Melanchthon'   Carlyle Sharpe, Laudate Nomen (ch. & org.)   Karg-Elert, Fugue, Canzona, and Epilogue (org, vln, women's cho.)   Longhurst, Cantilena   Durufle, Toccata (fr. Suite, op.5)   It was a great afternoon. Rick played wonderfully well. He was the 105th = organist to appear in the 25 years of the Series.   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh          
(back) Subject: Re: Small instruments and boring playing. From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 21:26:21 EDT   In a message dated 5/2/2004 8:12:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, bobelms@westnet.com.au writes:   > what would you do with this one?   i would pass......sorry to say unless it was someone i knew who died.   dale in Florida   i am sure it is lovely.    
(back) Subject: Re: Gottfried help From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 22:16:42 EDT   Yes, the stringer board is as you described and about the only way that I = can imagine ciphers happening that aren't caused by the primary is by faults between the toeboard and the stringers. The lever - valve assembly has a = spring holding it shut. However, if the leather nut has gotten so crummy that it = won't hold it could cause the valve to get cocked off it's seat. I haven't seen = it happen though. You are probably going to have to rake all the pipes out of =   there and pull the toe boards. If you look at the ends of the chests and = see the way the stringers are held in place by screws through the well it will = look like they will come out. They won't. I tried. They must be glued. I know = that I'm making these chests sound like a nightmare but they are very well built, = the action is very fast and the pipe speech is very good. Gottfried pipework = is also excellent, particularly the reeds. In the one I rebuilt even the Vox = holds it's tuning.   Cheers:   Alan B    
(back) Subject: Re: Small instruments and boring playing. From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 21:42:45 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: bobelms To: PipeChat Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 7:08 PM Subject: Re: Small instruments and boring playing.     > An English organ I play on occasions has the following stoplist:   > Great: Open diapason 8, Stop Diapason 8 > Swell: Gamba 8, Principal 4 > Pedal: Bordun (sic) 16   Forty years ago when I was a student at Taunton School we had a very = similar instrument in the music practice room at the school. It was subsequently sold to the Parish Church in Washford near Minehead. The individual stops were very attractive, although the ensemble was rather inadequate. This instrument was the work of George Osmond of Taunton, 1922.   I think probably the most effective small organ I have ever played is the 1895 Henry Jones of London organ in the Parish Church of Huish Episcopi in Somerset. This has the following stoplist:   GREAT   8' Open Diapason 8' Dulciana 4' Gemshorn 2' Piccolo   SWELL   8' Rohr Flute 8' Gamba 8' Oboe Tremulant   PEDAL   16' Pedal Pipes (Bourdon)   COUPLERS   Swell to Great Great to Pedal   Now on the face of it this does not sound particularly promising, but the Open Diapason with the rather narrow scaled and silvery 4' and 2' on the Great formed a good, bright chorus. The Oboe gave you something of a full swell effect. The full organ sound was extremely impressive -- much more = so than many 20 or 30 rank organs I have heard. Furthermore there was a = choice of two contrasting strings and a very pretty Rohr Flute. The Rohr Flute = and Gamba together on the Swell produced an approximation to a small Open Diapason. What more could anyone want? (Perhaps a Swell to Pedal = coupler!) I used to play on this instrument for hours on end when I was a teenager = and never used to tire of it.   John Speller      
(back) Subject: Re: Ya know...im just happy From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 21:49:19 -0500   ?????? At most Catholic churches it's "Can you turn that thing down? Or, can't (s)he play quieter?" I've heard people say they wished they hadn't donated to my home parish's organ fund because "she (not me) plays too loud", but seldom, when the music was louder than usual, "Wasn't the organ wonderful today?"   Alicia   Wait a minute...some churches > with perfectly good organs are are doing that. When are the players > going to start using full organ? > > We are hurting ourselves at time.      
(back) Subject: Re: Good Shepherd Sunday in a teeny-tiny hamlet From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 01:28:35 EDT   Hello gksjd85@direcway.com,     In reference to your comment: Somehow I managed to play the Brahms with one hand, and in those moments when I needed two hands I used my nose to hold the music down, and yes, I did whisper a legal term. GUESS I NEED TO GLUE COPIES TO CARDBOARD OR FOLDERS!   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I use a looseleaf notebook with clear plastic sleeves. If I'm feeling ambitious, I have all the service music copied and in order so there's no = shuffling.   Victoria  
(back) Subject: Re: Good Shepherd Sunday in a teeny-tiny hamlet From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 01:33:11 EDT   Hello gksjd85@direcway.com,     In reference to your comment: Well, God spoke plainly to me again today, and not just through today's Gospel. He reminded me of the last time he spoke plainly to me, and about all the drawbacks of being a church organist.   I had had several almost dreamy substitute gigs over the last couple years - decent instruments, decent choirs, low level of responsibility for choosing the music other than my own solos. That all changed today.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   Glenda, perhaps you should start a rumour that the former organist really wants her job back? <EG>   This sounds like a large sucking vacuum - run, don't walk, away from it. This church doesn't know what a "sub" IS - and they won't understand if = you aren't there on Week 5, either.   Good luck.   Victoria