PipeChat Digest #4485 - Thursday, May 6, 2004
 
Re: bad organ
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
Re: Creston Kilgen and Kimball
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: bad organ and sheet protectors
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
RE: Creston Kilgen and Kimball
  by "Chris Elliott" <christian_elliott@hotmail.com>
RE: Creston Kilgen and Kimball
  by "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com>
Ocean Grove organ
  by "rnewman" <rnewman@shop.rutgers.edu>
Re: Ocean Grove organ
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: bad organ From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 19:42:08 -0500   Certainly won't argue with you there. The organ you described is quite a tonal mess from what you've said, even without the mechanical problems. I =   know the feeling, too, of knowing that so many things about an organ could =   be fixed and the church won't let you! Hang in there. Even bad organs = can make nice sounds if you work with them and find their strengths. And then =   you never know when some widow will suddenly come up with a million = dollars for a new one. :)   Andy     On Wed, 5 May 2004 16:56:00 -0400, Tom R wrote > I'm not really calling the organ 'bad' because of the mechanical = problems. > I'm calling it 'bad' because even if everything worked as it ought > to, the tonal design doesn't have a leg to stand on. There are too > many ranks that are so soft that they hardly contribute, for > example: a dulciana and an echo salizional on an organ with around > 14 ranks! The trumpet was never enclosed, which reduces it's > usefullness to special occasions, rather than an integral part of > the ensemble. And finally, the organ has not a mutation nor mixture > to be found when it really needs one, the other or both to make up > for the lack of reeds, especially in the swell. The swell doesn't even > have that great of an effect, due to the fact that there isn't > anything in there that is really that loud. Back when the swell did > work somewhat, when it was closed most ranks were nearly inaudible. > Open, you could just barely start hearing most of them. Really, > it's more of an echo division than a swell, which is a rather > interesting idea, but it isn't very inspiring for leading hymns when > you need power that you just don't have. That's just my take on it. > I'd welcome anyone to come and try it out and see what they think. > Maybe I just expect too much from this old pipe organ. > > Tom Rishel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 11:28 AM > Subject: Re: bad organ > > There seems to be a lot of mixing around here of bad organs due to > bad tonal design, and bad due to wear and tear. Don't confuse > these! This is how good organs get thrown away! Sure, many organs > have both problems, but the wear and tear (rattling pipes, dead > notes, unreliable actions, voicing out of regulation) can be dealt > with readily. Don't call an organ "bad" for these issues! They can > be fixed! Changing a tonal scheme is why many restorations cost a > lot of money. The aforementioned Austin has some tonal issues but > almost everything cited for calling it a "bad" organ are things that > are very fixable, without major changes. Also true of the "mongrel" > mentioned below. Mechanical problems constitute an organ that needs > attention, not a bad organ! Sure, there are organs that are better off > being burned to heat organ shops, but just please don't throw away = organs > that would be ok with TLC... it ends up costing so much more to > start over! And this just convinces the public at large ever more > permanently that organs are just plain too expensive to be practical. > > Andy > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related > topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org       A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Creston Kilgen and Kimball From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 21:41:39 -0400   On 5/5/04 7:50 PM, "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com> wrote:   > Since the church was founded in 1902, and the Kilgen was installed in the > downstairs chapel in 1929, the Kimball must have been installed very earl= y in > the century in the main auditorium. I have made two phone calls to Kimba= ll > companies and have been disappointed. >=20 > =A7=A7=A7 Sounds right to me. St. Malachy (himself) was a fave of the Irish, = of > course (you=B9ve read the =B3Fr. Malachy=B2 books?); and that neighborhood was = very > Irish then (and German Lutheran; the nearest German Lutheran church had a= bout > 400 baptisms per year in those times) and surely well into the 40s. Or s= o. > It was basically a CRIMINAL neighborhood. I mean REAL! Vice RAN that > neighborhood. I can remember even in the 1960s you could go into a dark = bar > two blocks below St. M=B9s, and be serviced in the most interesting ways by= kids > under the table whom you never even SAW! >=20 > At that time (pre-1920), the =B3theatre district=B2 was down around 14th Stre= et. > but moved up to the 40s in the 1920s. When 42nd Street was widened to > accommodate a streetcar line. That must be when St. Malachy=B9s started ca= lling > itself the Actors=B9 Chapel. A good history of Manhattan (sorry I can=B9t > recommend one=8Bbut check author Chris Grey/Gray) would be illuminating for= the > context, even if not the details. >=20 > Nearby Faith Presbyterian Church sold their building to what became St. > Clement=B9s Episcopal (also =B3actor=B9s=B2 place, and still IS.) I THINK that S= t. > Clement=B9s HAD been in midblock, essentially in the back yard of Holy Cros= s > (Holy Name?) on 42d, between 8th and 9th). It=B9s a heck of an interesting > neighborhood; if I were younger, I=B9d study it. There was even a piano fa= ctory > there. =20 >=20 > I really enjoy your posts=8Beven though I can=B9t contribute anything, and th= e > subject is not a bit relevant to me. If St. M=B9s was founded in 1902, the= y > SHOULD have written a centennial history a couple years ago . . . but I=B9m= not > betting on it. I don=B9t know if you=B9r working on a dissertation or whatev= er, > but I=B9d sure enjoy reading it when the time comes. >=20 > Best of continuing success! >=20 > Alan www.stlukesnyc.org >=20      
(back) Subject: RE: bad organ and sheet protectors From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 21:26:20 -0500   Probably not. For that you'll need to open the lid and pour liberally = over the insides of the console, preferably while the power is on. Look for = the parts with big wires connected to them for particular dousing.   For that matter, save the Stoli and find the watering can the ladies use for the flowers. No reason to waste good Stoli, after all!! <giggle>   --Tim   (waitaminnit...we're killing the organoid here, right -- not dear Glenda, of course...??!?!!)   At 07:12 PM 5/5/2004, Glenda wrote: >I'm wondering if I'll electrocute myself if I stash a bottle of Stolis >next to the pedalboard.        
(back) Subject: RE: Creston Kilgen and Kimball From: "Chris Elliott" <christian_elliott@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 19:43:45 -0700   According to David Junchen, author of "Encyclopedia of the American = Theatre Organ" all of the Kimball records were destroyed when the organ building activities of Kimball ceased.   Best regards,   Christian Elliott     From: Richard Hazelip <rhazelip1@yahoo.com> Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Creston Kilgen and Kimball Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 16:50:49 -0700 (PDT)   Greetings, O august assembly of assorted assiduous audiophiles!   In my never-ending search for trivia, I have come across the existence of = a Kimball and a Kilgen at St. Malachy's New York. Since the church was founded in 1902, and the Kilgen was installed in the downstairs chapel in 1929, the Kimball must have been installed very early in the century in = the main auditorium. I have made two phone calls to Kimball companies and = have been disappointed. Do any of you have any idea of whether there are any Kimball archives and how I might find them? (Or do you have a stoplist or =   access to one?)   BTW I have a call in to Stephen Pinel to see if the OHS gods can be of any =   help here.   I appreciate any help you can offer!   Richard Hazelip   _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar =96 get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/    
(back) Subject: RE: Creston Kilgen and Kimball From: "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 19:45:37 -0700 (PDT)   Rats! Thanks - Richard   Chris Elliott <christian_elliott@hotmail.com> wrote: According to David Junchen, author of "Encyclopedia of the American = Theatre Organ" all of the Kimball records were destroyed when the organ building activities of Kimball ceased.   Best regards,   Christian Elliott     From: Richard Hazelip Reply-To: "PipeChat"   To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Creston Kilgen and Kimball Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 16:50:49 -0700 (PDT)   Greetings, O august assembly of assorted assiduous audiophiles!   In my never-ending search for trivia, I have come across the existence of = a Kimball and a Kilgen at St. Malachy's New York. Since the church was founded in 1902, and the Kilgen was installed in the downstairs chapel in 1929, the Kimball must have been installed very early in the century in = the main auditorium. I have made two phone calls to Kimball companies and have =   been disappointed. Do any of you have any idea of whether there are any Kimball archives and how I might find them? (Or do you have a stoplist or access to one?)   BTW I have a call in to Stephen Pinel to see if the OHS gods can be of any =   help here.   I appreciate any help you can offer!   Richard Hazelip   _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar =96 get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Ocean Grove organ From: "rnewman" <rnewman@shop.rutgers.edu> Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 23:38:11 -0400     Hi list,   Does anyone out there in internet land have a copy of the spec for the original Hope Jones organ at the Ocean Grove Auditorium they could email me? Many thanks.   -Randy    
(back) Subject: Re: Ocean Grove organ From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 23:40:36 EDT   The spec for the ocean grove organ is online at the Camp Meeting Association's Website. www.oceangrove.org   -Pete Isherwood