PipeChat Digest #4497 - Wednesday, May 12, 2004
 
Re:Disney Hall Organ newspaper article
  by "Peter Rodwell" <iof@ctv.es>
Re: absolute truth
  by <Steskinner@aol.com>
Re: absolute truth and multiple cornets
  by <Steskinner@aol.com>
Re:A TWELFTH???
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
OT - John Kerry; red academic hood
  by "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>
Re: Whats on your menu for the Jour des M=CBres?
  by "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com>
Re: Whats on your menu for the Jour des M	=E8res?
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Please bear with me!
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Whats on your menu for the Jour des M	=E8res?
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
NU organ/church music program
  by "Fran Walker" <fwalker@northwestern.edu>
Re: Whats on your menu for the Jour des M  =E8res ?
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Whats on your menu for the Jour des M  	=E8res ?
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
RE: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood
  by "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>
Re: NU organ/church music program...what's the deal?
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood
  by <Steskinner@aol.com>
RE: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood
  by "Carla Christopherson" <belcanto@brainerd.net>
RE: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood
  by "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net>
Re: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
RE: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood
  by "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>
Re: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood
  by "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>
This week's free mp3
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re:Disney Hall Organ newspaper article From: "Peter Rodwell" <iof@ctv.es> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 11:13:30 +0200   Quoting Stan Lowkis:   > This is a link to a New York Times article regarding the voicing > titled: "Pipes Askew, It Still Needs to Sing"   Does anyone else find it odd that this article is in the "Science" section?   Peter.  
(back) Subject: Re: absolute truth From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 06:44:22 EDT   In a message dated 5/10/2004 6:21:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 ophicleide16@direcway.com writes: ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steskinner@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 >Here is a case at hand--several posts back, someone described a moderately=20 sized 3 manual organ specification with 3 >THREE!!!!) cornets as being "idea= l."=20 This is amatter of opinion, and I would very much like to see this person's= =20 point-of-view. I >cannot for the life of me figure why anyone, at any time=20 would need more than 1 cornet. I certainly don't challenge that it is ideal=20= >for=20 the person posting, but I just don't get it.   Well, if you decide to play Messiaen's Subtilit=E9 des Corps Glorieux, you'l= l=20 find his registration indications:   G.O.: Cornet P.: Cornet R.: Cornet=20   MAF ....and if I decide to play Karg-Elert Cathedral Windows, I need a 16'=20 Harmonica on the Positiv (or Grand Chouer). Yet if the moderately sized org= an I'm=20 playing doesn't happen to have one, I wouldn't judge the organ as less than=20 ideal.   I'll have to see more than one example of registration requiring three=20 cornets to be able to understand. Are there many, many pieces that require=20= 3=20 cornets? If so, that might help me understand.     Steven Skinner Minister of Music First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA    
(back) Subject: Re: absolute truth and multiple cornets From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 06:56:57 EDT   In a message dated 5/11/2004 3:15:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk writes: Well... At some point in history it was an absolute truth that the sun revolves around the earth. But as we all know, that "truth" has been disproved so many times that science has rejected it as a possible theory. We need to be more careful with the language. It was NEVER an absolute = truth that the sun revovled around the earth. Absolute truth means that = something is real, whether or not it is recognized or believed. If a theory or = belief is disproved, they were never truth to begin with, even tho some might have attached that label.   I have been enlighted as to why more than one cornet is necessary. I've = just never trafficked in literature (French baroque) that requires them. = Thanks to Bud Clark for patiently, concisely, and kindly explaining the necessity = for two cornets, and for others pointing out literature that calls for three.     Steven Skinner Minister of Music First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA    
(back) Subject: Re:A TWELFTH??? From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 07:22:55 EDT   >Dear List, > >I apologize, though when I wrote that posting I was still rather tired. Nevertheless, >Dupre could comfortably reach a tenth. It was Franck who = could reach a twelfth, >BTW. Also, someone mentioned about practicing Alto and = Tenor then Soprano and >Alto, etc. etc. Concerning the exhaustive list of combinations which were mentioned, I .feel that it is only necessary to = break a part down this far when you are unable to play >it altogether, perfectly. To = always practice every part of every piece in all those >combinations turns this = into a fetish [ good or bad, you decided :) ], which would >become very = tedious, in my opinion.   Regarding handspans, I can easily reach a tenth, that's not even a = stretch. An 11th is a confortable stretch. I guess I just take it for granted that = I have large hands, but it has always made playing French Romantic music = easy for me.   In response to the breakdown of parts, I had a former teacher who made me = do all the parts as described--(s+a, s+t, s+b, etc.) While extremely boring, = I had the works memorized by the time I was done learning them and they were = rock solid. There are pros and cons with learning pieces that way--on one = hand, I hated the piece by the time I was finished with it, but I was learning big =   pieces in just a few weeks time. I also was solid with it when I had it learned. What's funny is I can pull some of those things out now, some 16 = or 17 years later and still rattle them off like I just learned them, so the = benefits of learning that way can't be bad, but I think too much learning by rote can = be a bad thing, too. There's got to be a balance somewhere. I'd like to = hear from some of the teachers and get their thoughts on the matter.   Monty Bennett    
(back) Subject: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood From: "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 04:59:08 -0700 (PDT)   Greetings!   I recently saw a picture of John Kerry speaking at an institution of higher learning. He was wearing a red academic hood in what appeared to be a doctor's academic gown.   Can someone explain why he was wearing such a hood? Academic hoods with the color red often denote a degree in Divinity. Does he hold such a degree?   Best wishes to all.     Morton Belcher         __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover  
(back) Subject: Re: Whats on your menu for the Jour des M=CBres? From: "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 10:20:49 -0400   I need to get my hands on some Lutheran hymnals! ;-)     >LBW: Alice Stewart Parker's harmonization of 1966. Stunning. >WOV: Charles Woods' setting from very roughly a century ago. > >I'd be interested in your relative evaluation.      
(back) Subject: Re: Whats on your menu for the Jour des M =E8res? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 10:32:12 -0400   On 5/11/04 10:20 AM, "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> wrote:   > I need to get my hands on some Lutheran hymnals! ;-) > Definitely. In the meanwhile, though, check out     http://www.lutheranhymnal.org   I have not been there, and do not know whether it is any good or not. But it appears to claim that it has it all.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Please bear with me! From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 11:30:03 -0400   Not having Sand Lawn's e-mail address I cannot write to him directly.   Sand,   The CD arrived this morning, Thank you for sending it.   Many thanks folks!   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Re: Whats on your menu for the Jour des M =E8res? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:06:15 -0400   Erik!   I think I recommended a URL to you this morning. It has just been brought to my attention that -- oh, how can I say this nicely? -- let's just say, = I withdraw that recommendation. I remember visiting this site a year or = two ago and being APPALLED at how unfit it is for ANYTHING. I'd hate to have you think I'd recommend it to you.   We'll both look for better sources!   Alan (with gratitude to the lister who REMINDED me!)        
(back) Subject: NU organ/church music program From: "Fran Walker" <fwalker@northwestern.edu> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 10:17:27 -0500   Greetings Chatters,   There is talk of starting over on an organ/church music program, perhaps = in conjunction with Garrett and Seabury Western Seminaries in Evanston, IL, perhaps interdisciplinary, in conjunction with the piano, choral, and = music education depts at Northwestern University. 12 million would endow the program. This would be from foundations, alumni, churches, friends, etc. If interested, feel free to email me about this.   Best, Fran Walker   ************************************************** Fran Walker (fwalker@northwestern.edu) Frances Walker, M.M. Northwestern University Organist, North Shore United Methodist Church 213 Hazel Avenue, Glencoe, IL 60022-1775 847-835-1227; fax 847-835-1243 northshoreumc@aol.com http://www.gbgm-umc.org/northshoreumc/        
(back) Subject: Re: Whats on your menu for the Jour des M =E8res ? From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:46:36 -0400       At 12:06 PM 5/11/2004, Alan Freed wrote: >I think I recommended a URL to you this morning. It has just been = brought >to my attention that -- oh, how can I say this nicely? -- let's just = say, I >withdraw that recommendation. I remember visiting this site a year or = two >ago and being APPALLED at how unfit it is for ANYTHING. I'd hate to have >you think I'd recommend it to you. > >We'll both look for better sources! > >Alan (with gratitude to the lister who REMINDED me!)   Bob Conway comments;   Now that little matter clears things up, - I went to the URL that Alan = told us to try, and I was aghast! I wondered if Alan had lost his marbles or something.   Fortunately this is not the case, just a sign of a little loss of memory, which we all have from time to time!   Better luck next time, Alan!   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Re: Whats on your menu for the Jour des M =E8res ? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 13:31:32 -0400   On 5/11/04 12:46 PM, "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> wrote:   > I wondered if Alan had lost his marbles or something. > > Fortunately this is not the case, just a sign of a little loss of = memory, > which we all have from time to time!   Bob, thank you very much! You can easily imagine my embarrassed gratitude to our fellow lister, your friend and mine, who alerted me to what I was DOING! And how quickly I RUSHED to engage in damage control!   Alan    
(back) Subject: RE: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:37:55 -0500   He has a law degree (doctorate).   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of littlebayus@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 6:59 AM To: PipeChat Subject: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood   Greetings!   I recently saw a picture of John Kerry speaking at an institution of higher learning. He was wearing a red academic hood in what appeared to be a doctor's academic gown.   Can someone explain why he was wearing such a hood?=20 Academic hoods with the color red often denote a degree in Divinity. Does he hold such a degree?   Best wishes to all.     Morton Belcher         =09 =09 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs =20 http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover=20 "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org          
(back) Subject: RE: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood From: "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:19:34 -0700 (PDT)     --- "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> wrote: > He has a law degree (doctorate).   Yes, he has a Juris Doctor degree (J. D.) .... Not a doctor of Juridical Science (S. J. D.)....   The academic hood color for law is purple....   Since my post, I surfed a bit on the internet... some site intimated he had an honorary doctorate from Bob Jones University... anyone know if this is correct? If so, that might explain the red academic hood, if they gave him an honorary doctorate of divinity or of divine law...     Best wishes to all...     Morton Belcher     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D       > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org > [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of > littlebayus@yahoo.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 6:59 AM > To: PipeChat > Subject: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood > > Greetings! > > I recently saw a picture of John Kerry speaking at > an > institution of higher learning. He was wearing a > red > academic hood in what appeared to be a doctor's > academic gown. > > Can someone explain why he was wearing such a hood? > Academic hoods with the color red often denote a > degree in Divinity. Does he hold such a degree? > > Best wishes to all. > > > Morton Belcher > > > > > > > __________________________________       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover  
(back) Subject: Re: NU organ/church music program...what's the deal? From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:48:10 -0700 (PDT)     Gone or not?   Seminary relationship still or no?   Closing or not?   Im getting confused. I thought they school cut ties with the sem's a few = years ago. Now, they want to rejoin?   splainin' to do!       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs  
(back) Subject: Re: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 15:56:03 -0400   On 5/11/04 3:19 PM, "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> wrote:   > some site intimated he had an honorary doctorate from Bob Jones = University... > anyone know if this is correct?   Does that seem a little odd? I'd think there's be a collision in the post office as Dr. Kerry rushes to send BACK his Donated Dignity (or whatever) from Bob Jones, and Bob Jones rushes to RETRACT their awarding of it.   Alan (trying not to take sides, but having no problem not taking either of THESE)    
(back) Subject: RE: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 15:55:40 -0500   I would be surprised if Kerry ever set foot on the Bob Jones campus.   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Alan Freed Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 2:56 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood   On 5/11/04 3:19 PM, "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> wrote:   > some site intimated he had an honorary doctorate from Bob Jones University... > anyone know if this is correct?   Does that seem a little odd? I'd think there's be a collision in the post office as Dr. Kerry rushes to send BACK his Donated Dignity (or whatever) from Bob Jones, and Bob Jones rushes to RETRACT their awarding of it.   Alan (trying not to take sides, but having no problem not taking either of THESE) =20   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org          
(back) Subject: Re: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 17:28:10 EDT   In a message dated 5/11/2004 3:20:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, littlebayus@yahoo.com writes: Since my post, I surfed a bit on the internet... some site intimated he had an honorary doctorate from Bob Jones University... It is as likely that Bob Jones U would confer a degree on a pro-choice = Roman Catholic, as it would be to have a Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan named Feingold. Not likely at all..     Steven Skinner Minister of Music First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA    
(back) Subject: RE: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 16:30:59 -0500   Exactly.   =20   ________________________________   From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Steskinner@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 4:28 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood   =20   In a message dated 5/11/2004 3:20:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, littlebayus@yahoo.com writes:   Since my post, I surfed a bit on the internet... some site intimated he had an honorary doctorate from Bob Jones University...=20   It is as likely that Bob Jones U would confer a degree on a pro-choice Roman Catholic, as it would be to have a Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan named Feingold. Not likely at all..   =20   =20   Steven Skinner Minister of Music First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA      
(back) Subject: Re: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood From: "Carla Christopherson" <belcanto@brainerd.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 17:16:46 -0500   John Kerry would not want to be associated with a non-accredited pseudo-university.   ----- Original Message ----- From: Storandt, Peter To: PipeChat Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 4:30 PM Subject: RE: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood     Exactly.         ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---   From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Steskinner@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 4:28 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood       In a message dated 5/11/2004 3:20:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, littlebayus@yahoo.com writes:   Since my post, I surfed a bit on the internet... some site intimated he had an honorary doctorate from Bob Jones University...   It is as likely that Bob Jones U would confer a degree on a pro-choice = Roman Catholic, as it would be to have a Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan named Feingold. Not likely at all..           Steven Skinner Minister of Music First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA    
(back) Subject: RE: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood From: "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 18:34:42 -0400   Is it possible that the color inside the hood represents the colors of the = conferring institution?   What color were the bars on the sleeves? That may or may not give you = some idea of degree conferred. (Doctoral candidates have gold tassels, = according to http://www.csufresno.edu/gradstudies/hooding2004history.html.   --Shirley      
(back) Subject: Re: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 20:21:22 EDT   Is it not possible that the color, as it showed up on television or in a newspaper color photograph (which are usually three-color separations, = rather than the four-color used most often in magazines) looked different than what it =   would have looked like to the naked eye? I can imagine purple coming off = as red both on television and in a newspaper photograph. In my two modest (and strictly local) appearances on television, the ties I wore bore very = little resemblance to their actual color when viewed on the tube.   Just a thought. Bill H. Boston    
(back) Subject: RE: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood From: "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 17:42:59 -0700 (PDT)   Yes, the color or colors inside the hood represent the color or colors of the conferring institution. The picture I saw of Kerry was a front view of him as he was presumably either giving a lecture or perhaps a commencement address... So I could not see the colors inside the hood... I could only see the color of the hood in the front... below his neck.   I don't recall seeing any special color (other than black) on the sleeves... Nor did I recall that he had his academic hat on at the time the picture was taken....   Morton Belcher     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   --- Shirley <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> wrote: > Is it possible that the color inside the hood > represents the colors of the conferring > institution? > > What color were the bars on the sleeves? That may > or may not give you some > idea of degree conferred. (Doctoral candidates have > gold tassels, according to > http://www.csufresno.edu/gradstudies/hooding2004history.html. > > --Shirley >       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover  
(back) Subject: Re: OT - John Kerry; red academic hood From: "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 17:45:31 -0700 (PDT)   The picture I saw was on the web... And yes, I know from the experience of a couple of friends that TV cameras don't always accurately transmit the color (s) of clothes the performers are wearing...     Morton Belcher     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --- DERREINETOR@aol.com wrote: > Is it not possible that the color, as it showed up > on television or in a > newspaper color photograph (which are usually > three-color separations, rather than > the four-color used most often in magazines) looked > different than what it > would have looked like to the naked eye? I can > imagine purple coming off as red > both on television and in a newspaper photograph. In > my two modest (and > strictly local) appearances on television, the ties > I wore bore very little > resemblance to their actual color when viewed on the > tube. > > Just a thought. > Bill H. > Boston >       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover  
(back) Subject: This week's free mp3 From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 23:59:41 -0700   Hello organ friends,   This week's free mp3 is the lovely little Elevation by Marcel Dupre, = published in 1914 in the collection "Les Maitres Contemporains"   http://www.blackiris.com/orwig/dupre_elevation.mp3   Enjoy!   -Jonathan Orwig     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.676 / Virus Database: 438 - Release Date: 5/3/2004