PipeChat Digest #4519 - Wednesday, May 26, 2004
 
RE: Old wine or new wine?
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: Atlantic City Midmer-Losh Restoration
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Hector
  by "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca>
Re: Music from Frog Music press
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Atlantic City Midmer-Losh Restoration
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Atlantic City Midmer-Losh Restoration
  by "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca>
RE: Atlantic City Midmer-Losh Restoration
  by "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net>
WAS: Music from Frog Music press Now Virtual Pipes
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
AC organs to be saved
  by "Will Scarboro" <whs1325@yahoo.com>
Re: WAS: Music from Frog Music press Now Virtual Pipes
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
An interesting experience......
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
New Organ - Interesting facade
  by "Larry Wheelock" <llwheels@mac.com>
RE: Atlantic City Midmer-Losh Restoration
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: New Organ - Interesting facade
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
RE: An interesting experience......
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
choral music - summer anthems for small choirs
  by "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net>
Baptism Liturgy
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Baptism Liturgy
  by "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net>
Dupre Elevation - score corrections
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net>
RE: New Organ - Interesting facade
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Old wine or new wine? From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 07:01:22 +1200     [big snip]   >Should performers and interpretors be aware of a composer's time-scale, and the changes which occur in a composer's lifetime?   >It just seems to me, that when a BWV565 has no fire or exuberance, it is the same as levelling a mountain rather than scaling it. Similarly, to drive a bulldozer through a mature forest, does tend to draw attention to oneself, which is exactly what Ton Koopman does with the B-minor!   Thanks for this. I don't we necessarily need to know the time-scale of a composer, but we do need to understand the point that made you write your second paragraph above. Yes, we need to get inside the music and let it teach us how it is played. If we try to impose sheer technique on much music, it will fail.   One of the "tests" I like to give an organ is not a piece of Liszt or Messiaen, but rather some simple chorale preludes. So many organists, and often pianists as well, are great technicians, but have little soul and heart to put into a simple chorale prelude, so they fail.   To me, organ recitals should include some very simple music. A Walther chorale prelude is no less music than Liszt's perorations. A Mozart piano sonata slow movement is no less music than something massive from Percy Grainger or Alkan.   Ross     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.690 / Virus Database: 451 - Release Date: 22/05/2004    
(back) Subject: RE: Atlantic City Midmer-Losh Restoration From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 07:06:07 +1200   Is the old "Bach on the Biggest" lp re-issued on CD? My old record, = 2nd-hand when I got it, is not in pristine condition.   Ross   --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.690 / Virus Database: 451 - Release Date: 22/05/2004    
(back) Subject: Re: Hector From: "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 15:19:25 -0400     Hector's model trains:   http://www.hectorolivera.com/Z-Scale.htm   on his website:   http://www.hectorolivera.com/   James Grebe wrote: > ... Hector Olivera's latest on that organ recorded in "special 24 bit > Stereo enhancedSuper audiophile CD: Am sending my check today ...  
(back) Subject: Re: Music from Frog Music press From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 15:22:04 EDT   In a message dated 5/25/04 3:02:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pipechat@pipechat.org writes: A rather large number of members of the Rodgers Organ Users Group (our email discussion group that covers Rodgers and MIDI) do not play Rodgers but pay other digitals, analogs (now that's a feisty contingent!) and pipes, pipe combinations and virtual pipes. What are virtual pipes? How are they different from a regular digital = organ of whatever ilk it may be--Rodgers, Allen, Ahlborn-Galanti, Baldwin, = Walker, etc.   Monty Bennett    
(back) Subject: Re: Atlantic City Midmer-Losh Restoration From: "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 20:25:26 +0100 (BST)   Yes, but surely the purpose of a discussion group is to discuss? John Foss   Sebastian M. Gluck writes:   "Neither mass speculation nor persistent interference nor fanciful rumor has ever enhanced the results of a pipe organ project."   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.johnfoss.gr http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop/ Topics of the week : Point and Counterpoint The Never Ending Story Strauss's "Alpine Symphony" CD and DVD death     ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html  
(back) Subject: Re: Atlantic City Midmer-Losh Restoration From: "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 15:25:54 -0400     http://www.ohscatalog.org/baonbibopiat.html   "The original stereo tapes have been digitally transferred with 24-bit technology utilizing the High Definition Compatible Digital process."   > Is the old "Bach on the Biggest" lp re-issued on CD? My old record, > 2nd-hand when I got it, is not in pristine condition.      
(back) Subject: RE: Atlantic City Midmer-Losh Restoration From: "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 14:30:54 -0500   Both Bach on the Biggest and Boardwalk Pipes have been re-issued on a = single CD: ACCHOS 02. OHS http://store.yahoo.com/ohscatalog/recordings.html carries it and it's probably also available directly from ACCHOS. It doesn't seem to have made it to either Amazon.com or TowerRecords.com     michael     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of TheShieling Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 2:06 PM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: Atlantic City Midmer-Losh Restoration     Is the old "Bach on the Biggest" lp re-issued on CD? My old record, = 2nd-hand when I got it, is not in pristine condition.   Ross      
(back) Subject: WAS: Music from Frog Music press Now Virtual Pipes From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 15:35:36 -0400   What are virtual pipes?   An excellent example is HAUPTWERK: check out the sounds and info at www.virtuallybaroque.com   noel jones www.frogmusic.com    
(back) Subject: AC organs to be saved From: "Will Scarboro" <whs1325@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 15:14:28 -0700 (PDT)   Since there have been some questions raised on Pipechat about the ACCHOS, = the new Historic Organ Committee, and the future of the organs I present = here some quotes from Stephen Smith, President of ACCHOS that appeared on = Piporg-l and also some comments from a private e-mail from him to myself. "The Historic Organ Restoration Committee, Inc. has been established as a non-profit organization in Atlantic City, New Jersey, to oversee the rehabilitation and restoration of the organs on behalf of the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority (who own the building and the organs). The sum of $1.1 million has been put in escrow to initiate the process. The Trustees will have their first meeting in May, 2004."     "There is now hope that the Kimball, in the ballroom, can be restored to performance condition and that the Right Stage chamber of the Midmer-Losh, in the main auditorium, will be returned to its pre-1999 operational = state. This, when accomplished, will help inspire the larger fund-raising = activity needed to further the restoration of the Midmer-Losh organ."   "In short... The relationship between the two organizations is a fantastic one. Dialogue is freely exchanged and warmly received, = encouraged even. The bottom line is that the new organization has it hands on the purse strings, while the ACCHOS continues to publicize the organs."       --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger  
(back) Subject: Re: WAS: Music from Frog Music press Now Virtual Pipes From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 17:10:35 -0500   The organ students here at UI spend many hours playing the Casavant and the Buzard. List member Jon Kroepel and I played some of the vendor demos on the St. Georgenkirche organ. It's kind of odd to see so many familiar names ;-) Alicia Zeilenga       -----Original Message----- From: noel jones <gedeckt@usit.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 15:35:36 -0400 Subject: WAS: Music from Frog Music press Now Virtual Pipes   > What are virtual pipes? > > An excellent example is HAUPTWERK: check out the sounds and info at > www.virtuallybaroque.com > > noel jones > www.frogmusic.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: An interesting experience...... From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:20:25 EDT   For the past month or so, our pipe organ has been down, while we have been =   having repairs done on it. Long story short--the company who "built" it = (read: installed a used pipe organ and added a few used ranks and a few new = supply house ranks and chests), is now bankrupt and the owner moved to = California, and I am told he now sells insurance. Anyway, the instrument is just 10 years =   old, but the wiring was not done properly, and due to this fact, the = organ, which is on all electro-mechanical action, all but burned out the rectifier, = which was not properly sized for the organ to begin with. That, coupled with a blower that was undersized for the organ, were causing some interesting = problems, such as many dead notes due to not enough current to run the magnets to = the chests and not enough wind, and wind sag that would make even the most = serious purist roll their eyes. The former organ service people never bothered = to tell the church that there was a problem with the rectifier, and at the = time, I was just the interim organist, so I never dealt with the organ service = people. When I was hired permanent this past fall, we switched service companies, = and the new people asked me if I was having problems with dead notes and other =   electrical problems, to which I gave a hearty "yes!" They tried to do everything they could to patch the problems, but the symptoms kept getting = worse, to the point that the organ started shorting out during services if I would = add stops on a hymn by pressing a piston. When this started, the service = people tested the rectifier and found out that the organ (52 ranks) was running = on 7 amps of power! So during Holy Week, the organ had become so unreliable, that = our Pastor told me to get a proposal and that we would see what needed to be = done about a rental organ for Easter. So the day after the proposal came in, = he authorized the work to be done and we rented a digital organ. Being = Easter, the work on the pipe organ couldn't start right away, and the new rectifier of =   proper amperage needed to be ordered and a new blower from Laukhuff needed = to be ordered, so by the time all the parts came in, a couple weeks had past, = and with the church schedule, work just commenced last week.   My point, which will inflame many listers, is that I have been asked by = many people from the congregation when the pipe organ was going to be up and playing again because they miss the sound of the pipe organ. They can't = always explain what it is about the sound that they miss, but they use terms like =   "majesty," "fullness," "richness," or they explain that nothing compares = to the sound of the pipe organ. We have had a decent 3 manual digital from a large company in the Pacific Northwest with plenty of speakers and two = subwoofers. It was voiced by one of their managers and was plenty loud enough for the room, = and, if anything I felt it to be too loud by itself, but it was fine when 1100+ = in the congregation and a good 80+ in the choir were singing. We have = speakers all over the front of the church, so sound is evenly spread, and = truthfully, it sounds pretty good. I am just amazed when people from the congregation = come up and make statements to me like that out of the blue. I really had no = idea that "ordinary" people would be able to tell the difference or even care enough to ask me when the pipe organ would be back playing. It's happened = weekly that people have made these comments to me. If everything gets finished = up, the pipe organ will be back up and running for this Sunday.   Flame me if you wish, I'm just making a report of my experiences over the past several weeks.....I'm not trying to start a war of pipes vs. = digitals. I would rather play a good digital over a poor pipe organ any day. On the = other hand, I would rather play a good solid pipe organ over anything. The = bottom line is that I'm going to make music on whatever I'm given to play, but = people in my congregation can tell the difference between pipes and = non-pipes--and they LOVE their Hammond, too!!! (as every musically diverse church should)   Monty Bennett Friendship Baptist Church Charlotte, NC    
(back) Subject: New Organ - Interesting facade From: "Larry Wheelock" <llwheels@mac.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 17:32:37 -0500   An article appeared yesterday on the front page of the 'Metro' section of The Capitol Times of Madison Wisconsin, USA concerning the ongoing installation of the new Klais organ in Overture Hall -- Madison's new Arts Center. The article can be found at   http://www.madison.com/archives/read.php?ref=3Dtct:2004:05:24:373494:METRO   This page contains a text-only version of the article. At the top of the page is an option to click for the virtual page -- this will download to your computer a PDF file which can be read with Adobe Reader (available in both PC and MAC formats free -- Google it) which has the photos as well. No charge.   The facade is certainly an unusual design from what we have come to expect organs to look like in the 21st century. I am anxious to see it in person, but haven't figured a way to get in yet.   For those who don't know -- I live in Madison, but serve a church in Milwaukee, a mere 75 miles each way. Don't ask unless you are prepared for a long story.   Larry Wheelock Director of Music Ministries Kenwood United Methodist Church Milwaukee, Wisconsin musicdirector@kenwood-umc.org  
(back) Subject: RE: Atlantic City Midmer-Losh Restoration From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 19:58:18 -0500   At 02:06 PM 5/25/04, you wrote:     >Is the old "Bach on the Biggest" lp re-issued on CD? My old record, = 2nd-hand >when I got it, is not in pristine condition.   It has been re mastered on CD and also includes selections recorded on the =   ballroom Kimball. Well worth acquiring.   Jon      
(back) Subject: Re: New Organ - Interesting facade From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:36:54 EDT   Hello llwheels@mac.com,     In reference to your comment: An article appeared yesterday on the front page of the 'Metro' section of The Capitol Times of Madison Wisconsin, USA concerning the ongoing installation of the new Klais organ in Overture Hall -- Madison's new Arts Center. The article can be found at   http://www.madison.com/archives/read.php?ref=3Dtct:2004:05:24:373494:METRO   This page contains a text-only version of the article. At the top of the page is an option to click for the virtual page -- this will download to your computer a PDF file which can be read with Adobe Reader (available in both PC and MAC formats free -- Google it) which has the photos as well. No charge.   The facade is certainly an unusual design from what we have come to expect organs to look like in the 21st century. I am anxious to see it in person, but haven't figured a way to get in yet. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ Is that a computer screen on the music desk of the console? Are we = finally being freed from page turning?   This is an amazing-looking organ - definitely not "churchy!"   Victoria  
(back) Subject: RE: An interesting experience...... From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:14:44 -0400   Monty: I enjoy reading accounts like the one you've provided. I'm sorry to hear of your trouble but I never tire of hearing about "screw-ups" = committed by other organ outfits. It's interesting to read you have about 3000 = action magnets as well as a solenoid console (I presume) running off a 7 amp = power supply. From what I've read I harbour a suspicion that a new larger blower may not necessarily solve the wind sag problem. You may have issues with wind conveyances being too small or reservoirs and/or schwimmers that don't regulate properly. I wouldn't assume either that a larger rectifier will solve other problems. If the wiring in place cannot handle the "juice" required a 7000 amp rectifier won't make much difference to the organs performance. It's similar to installing a larger diameter water main to = your house in an attempt to increase the pressure and volume of water at the = tap without replacing the old ?" plumbing in the house. I'm not suggesting = that your wiring is definately at fault. But you should be aware that it could be.   I hope you're now employing a knowledgeable company to fix the trouble you have. BTW, I'm not attempting to solicit business. I only work in a small = section of Ontario, Canada.   regards, Andrew Mead    
(back) Subject: choral music - summer anthems for small choirs From: "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 19:27:26 -0700   Mason Martens' "Sing Joyfully" series from Walton Music has some unknown gems from ALL periods.   Vol. 1 - unison Vol. 2 - two-part equal or mixed Vol. 3 - thre- part mixed Vol. 4 - four-part mixed, but mostly pretty difficult   The SAB Choir Goes For Baroque - Concordia   Moravian Anthems for SAB (forget the exact title) - Shawnee   The Village Choir Series - Performers Editions, NYC - Pepper Music stocks them ... original 18th century British anthems for SAB ... some really excellent stuff   We often overlook the Concordia Morning Star Choir Books (3 vols.) ... unison, 2-part, 3-part, simple SATB, many with obbligato instrument(s), some of which (Lord Jesus Christ, Thou Prince of Peace - Bach) can be played by a dexterous organist with a second player playing harpsichord continuo. I have the closing chorale for that one arranged for SATB ... the first verse is unison.   Let's see ... Trinity Sunday is June 6th; I have the following anthems arranged by me for SAB in my computer ... all English texts with organ:   Corpus Christi - The Priests of the Lord (Sacerdotes Domini)   Trinity 1 - O Hearken Thou Unto The Voice of My Calling (Intende voci) - Psalm 5   Trinity 2 - Turn Thee, O Lord (Domine, convertere) - Psalm 6   Trinity 3 - They That Know Thy Name (Sperent in te) - Psalm 9   Trinity 4 - Lighten Mine Eyes, O Lord (Illumina) - Psalm 13   Trinity 5 - I Will Bless The Lord (Benedicam Dominum) - Psalm 16   Trinity 6 - O Hold Thou Up My Goings In Thy Paths (Perfice gressus meos) - Psalm 17   Trinity 7 - Like As In The Burnt Offerings of Rams and Bullocks (Sicut in holocausto) - Daniel 3   Trinity 8 - Thou Shalt Save The People (Populum humilem) - Psalm 18   Trinity 9 - The Statutes of the Lord Are Right (Justitiae Domini) - Psalm = 19   Trinity 10 - Unto Thee, O Lord, Will I Lift Up My Soul (Ad te levavi) - Psalm 25   Trinity 11 - I Will Magnify Thee, O Lord (Exaltabo te) - Psalm 30   Trinity 12 - Moses Besought the Lord (Precatus est Moyses) - Exodus 32   Trinity 13 - My Hope Hath Been In Thee, O Lord (In te speravi) - Psalm 31   Trinity 14 - The Angel of the Lord Tarrieth Round ABout Them (Immittet Angelus) - Psalm 34   Trinity 15 - I Waited Patiently For the Lord (Expectans exspectavi) - Psalm 40   Trinity 16 - Make Haste, O Lord, To Help Me (Domine, in auxilium) - Psalm = 40   That'd take you through September (grin), and the texts are all general enough they can be sung with either the one-year or the three-year lectionary.   Average length is 10-15 8 1/2 x 11 pages. Suggested donation: $10.00 US for the masters of each anthem; make all the copies you like; I'm easy <g>. They're flexible in length too ... there are repeats that can be observed or taken out.   They're all in conservative style, some imitation, easy organ part, could be sung by a mixed SAB trio of soloists, or even SSA or SAA, if your altos can read bass clef, or I'll be happy to rescore them that way and transpose them. Can also be sung SA by simply omitting the Bass part and playing it on the organ.   Free samples upon request. If you use 'em, donate as you're able.   I also have a wide selection of simple Communion anthems for SAB, including some more difficult renaissance ones.   -----------------------------------------------------------------   FOR ADVENT:   Creator of the Stars of Night - Gregorian / Vittoria, SATB and organ ad = lib.   I've posted this to my download list; if anyone else wants it, e-mail me PRIVATELY, please. Suggested VOLUNTARY donation $13.00 US for the (13) masters; make all the copies you like.   This is the first in a projected series of Victoria alternatim Office Hymns with English text for Sundays and Principal Feasts of the Church = Year.   Cheers,   Bud          
(back) Subject: Baptism Liturgy From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 23:03:23 -0500   Hello, Does anyone know where I can find the Catholic Liturgy of Baptism for Adults? I have to play for one Sunday, and I don't know what's going on nor can I find anyone to talk with. Alicia Zeilenga "Santa Caecilia, ora pro nobis"      
(back) Subject: Re: Baptism Liturgy From: "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:23:13 -0700   Call your diocesan liturgy office ... they should be able to e-mail you the complete rite.   Cheers,   Bud   Alicia Zeilenga wrote:   > Hello, > Does anyone know where I can find the Catholic Liturgy of Baptism for > Adults? I have to play for one Sunday, and I don't know what's going > on nor can I find anyone to talk with. > Alicia Zeilenga > "Santa Caecilia, ora pro nobis" > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Dupre Elevation - score corrections From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:39:43 -0700   Hello Friends   Recently I offered a scan of the Dupre Elevatin op. 2, and several have = pointed there are possible errors in the score. =20   I went to my trusty book on the organ music of Dupre by Graham Steed, = and he gave the following errata:   Bar 1,2 Tenor Ebs should be tied Bar 13 last note in sop should be Db Bar 15 1st quarter note in tenor should be Ab Bar 26 E natural is a misprint Bar 43 last quarter-note in Sop should be Db Bar 44 C Bar 51 Eb whole note should be tied to bar 52 Bar 59 the flat is misplaced - it is A that requires a flat, not B   Hope this is helpful,   Jonathan Orwig http://www.blackiris.com/orwig (personal site) http://evensong.bounceme.net (publishing site with mp3 and pdf = examples)         --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.686 / Virus Database: 447 - Release Date: 5/14/2004  
(back) Subject: RE: New Organ - Interesting facade From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:55:16 +0100   You might like to compare this fantastic fa=E7ade with the Klais organ = opened in 2002 at the Birmingham Symphony Hall here in the UK - about 20 miles = from where I live. There is a picture at this site=20 http://www.necgroup.co.uk/visitor/symphonyhall/symphonyorgan/=20   Much more traditional in emphasis, but still not "churchy" and a French style terraced console.=20 I cannot see any evidence of a TV screen on the console however.   Does anyone know what action the Wisconsin organ is? With a layout of = pipes like that I wouldn't think it was possible to have tracker action, as = the Birmingham one does, unless almost everything is "tubed off" a = conventional chest!   Will Light Coventry UK