PipeChat Digest #4523 - Thursday, May 27, 2004
 
RE: studio privileges
  by "Mari" <mreive@tampabay.rr.com>
RE: studio privileges
  by "Mari" <mreive@tampabay.rr.com>
Monty's Interesting Experience ......
  by "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com>
Hauptwerk Thoughts
  by "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com>
Re: An interesting experience......
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Search - Josephy Clokey
  by "George Seto" <af221@chebucto.ns.ca>
Re: "studio privileges" ... important notes
  by "Christopher Howerter" <OrgelspielerKMD@msn.com>
New CD worth hearing.
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: "studio privileges" ... important notes
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Search - Josephy Clokey
  by "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: An Interesting Experience
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Who's Alice Coolidge?
  by "Mark Gustus" <mgustus@msn.com>
Re: WAS: Music from Frog Music press Now Virtual Pipes
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Solemn Evensong
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: WAS: Music from Frog Music press Now Virtual Pipes
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Re: New Organ - Interesting facade
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: Hauptwerk Thoughts
  by "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: studio privileges From: "Mari" <mreive@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 15:54:24 -0400   What on earth is their problem?!? Quite apart from your financial = benefits, the benefit to the church can only be positive. You are bringing non-parishioners in and that means it's outreach. Even if they're from within, you're strengthening ties. Mari -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Richard Hazelip Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:56 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: studio privileges     Greetings all:   For those of you serving churches (part-time or full-time), I have the following question:   Are you allowed studio privileges as part of your church employment? Please comment.   I am once again having to convince my pastor that I should be allowed to use the church's piano and organ for private lessons. This was allowed = last year, although I had only one organ student and a brief voice lesson or = two. All of a sudden, this year the issue has to be revisited. I am whining a little, since I desperately need the money during the summer when I have = no college income, and my pastor seems at time to suffer from convenient amnesia. In my 30+ years of church experience, this is the first time I = have ever had to defend my access to studio privileges.   Thanks in advance!   Richard Hazelip    
(back) Subject: RE: studio privileges From: "Mari" <mreive@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 15:55:44 -0400   That's a pathetically short-sighted attitude from your policy-makers. Mari     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of jch Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 9:57 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: studio privileges     I am not the organist, but I can comment that our church has a strict policy that the musical instruments in the sanctuary are only to be used for worship related music. I know our organist would like to give lessons on the organ, but is prohibited from doing so and I suspect that it is probably addressed in his contract. I would like to have access to the organ, but since I do not play well enough to be able to sub, I will not get the opportunity and will have to be satisfied with the Conn at home.   Jon     At 08:23 AM 5/26/04, you wrote:   >I've always had them. I can't understand why you wouldn't be allowed to >give lessons. What is his reasoning for not wanting to allow it? Where >else are people going to learn to play the organ, not many of us have = them >in our living rooms to give lessons on. > >Travis >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:rhazelip1@yahoo.com>Richard Hazelip >To: <mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org>pipechat@pipechat.org >Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 7:56 AM >Subject: studio privileges > >Greetings all: > >For those of you serving churches (part-time or full-time), I have the >following question: > >Are you allowed studio privileges as part of your church >employment? Please comment. > >I am once again having to convince my pastor that I should be allowed to >use the church's piano and organ for private lessons. This was allowed >last year, although I had only one organ student and a brief voice lesson >or two. All of a sudden, this year the issue has to be revisited. I am >whining a little, since I desperately need the money during the summer >when I have no college income, and my pastor seems at time to suffer from >convenient amnesia. In my 30+ years of church experience, this is the >first time I have ever had to defend my access to studio privileges. > >Thanks in advance! > >Richard Hazelip   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org          
(back) Subject: Monty's Interesting Experience ...... From: "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 13:41:39 -0700 (PDT)   Hi All, This is a very interesting discussion and a real surprise to me also. I = think there must be some kind of "equation" relating to how large a pipe = organ (how much air is displaced etc.) has to be ....... befor a = non-organist listener recognizes the impact of all that pipe/ room = interaction ........and the difference of tonal "weight". I know that = when I listened to about 3 ranks of REAL Robert Hope Jones Tibias / Voxes = in Ocean Grove some years back ............. I came to the conclusion that = no electronic in the world could sound like that. This was in a wooden = barn seating over 5K, with its many doors wide open !!! On the other hand, I have loaned my large 3 manual Johannus E-org to my = church ...... (it had a 3.5 rank unit Moeller) and absolutely no one has = missed the midget Moeller. The Johannus is all C and C# layouts with the = 10 channels mostly up in the beams on opposite sides. It really is = authentic sounding. lots of sound bouncing back and forth .... and there = are plenty of "vibrations" .... even on medium sized registrations. The = Moeller could hardly be heard, never mind felt. Maybe it is large scaling and wind pressures that people can notice easily = as being "majestic" etc. Certainly Theatre Organs seem to really be = "felt". As to the loaner Rodgers and Dan Miller's voicing ..... I would believe = that organ is sounding as good as is possible !! Matt   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger  
(back) Subject: Hauptwerk Thoughts From: "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 13:52:23 -0700 (PDT)   Hi Again, Another thing to remember about this technology is that folks like myself = already have a PC with enough RAM .... and a MIDI keyboard ...... and a = high end Home Theatre setup. My cost to start using this technology is = miniscule ! Also, the quality of the sample libraries is really astounding !!!!! I'm basically waiting for non Baroque samples and the newest version. Matt   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger  
(back) Subject: Re: An interesting experience...... From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 17:09:41 -0400   On 5/25/04 6:20 PM, "RMB10@aol.com" <RMB10@aol.com> wrote:   > If everything gets finished up, the pipe organ will be back up and = running for > this Sunday. > Well, P T L! And a glorious Pentecost!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Search - Josephy Clokey From: "George Seto" <af221@chebucto.ns.ca> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 18:46:50 -0300 (ADT)     A friend of mine is looking for availability of any Secular Pipe Organ sheet music by Joseph Clokey   I found for him information on Grasshopper: A Tragic Tale. If you know of more, please advise.   Thanks.   Bidh mi 'gad fhaicinn!!!     IWK Children's Hospital Telethon - June 5th & 6th, 2004 $4.1 Million for 2003 - Can we do better? I bet!!   <<<<< Gum bi thu beo\ ann an a\m u\idheil. >>>>>   George / Seo\ras Seto   e-mail address: af221@chebucto.ns.ca <- Main e-mail address: gseto@corvuscorax.org <- Alternate - Large Files   url: http://www.geocities.com/george_seto.geo | My stuff url: http://www.corvuscorax.org:8080/~gseto/creighton | Helen Creighton      
(back) Subject: Re: "studio privileges" ... important notes From: "Christopher Howerter" <OrgelspielerKMD@msn.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 17:50:57 -0400   Dear List,   In the posting below, it is clearly stated that "[A church] will NEVER = agree to a contract that permits use of the church and instrument 'at = the organist's convenience.'" Well, I happen to have proof that it is = not true. If anyone wishes to see my contract, please email me = privately! :)   Sincerely, Christopher J. Howerter, SPC -------------------------- Subject: Re: "studio privileges" ... important notes From: <TubaMagna@aol.com<mailto:TubaMagna@aol.com>> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:40:50 EDT   If you are going to insist that practice and teaching access be = written=20 into your contract, remember that these are two VERY different things. = One can=20 easily argue that practice is critical to job performance, yet use of = the=20 church for personal income purposes is certainly NOT a "given," as much = as we=20 would like it to be. One way to appease the "powers that be" is to word your agreement = (if it=20 gets that far) to say that you can use the church "so long as it does = not=20 interfere with the regular and normal use of the church." They will = NEVER agree to=20 a contract that permits use of the church and instrument "at the = organist's=20 convenience." Finally, remember that their attorneys may smell liability issues. = If you=20 are injured by a falling reliquary while practicing for a service, or = struck=20 by an ocean liner while playing for a Bar Mitzvah, that is very = different than=20 having your student fall over the gallery railing while you're teaching = them=20 a lesson at 8 pm on a Thursday. To avoid all problems, get yourself one of these:   http://www.glucknewyork.com/alexander/alexander.html<http://www.glucknewy= ork.com/alexander/alexander.html>   The two color photos will enlarge with a double-click. You can also go = to the=20 instruments menu at the top of the page and view stoplists of smaller=20 models...   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: New CD worth hearing. From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 18:03:05 -0400   Well, rather more than that, it's worth buying!   The Students and Staff of the College of Visual and Performing Arts at Syracuse University NY have recently issued a CD which is entitled "50 Years of the Crouse Holtkamp".   From the Belfer Archive at the University that have drawn on recordings of organ recitals played on the 1950 Holtkamp organ in Setnor Auditorium. The performers are all organists who have held organ teaching =   posts at Syracuse University.   They are as follows: Arthur Poister Bach and Franck Will Headlee de Grigny and Dupre Donald Sutherland Samuel Scheidt David Johnson Johnson Katherine Pardee Durufle Christopher Marks Messaien   All of them are distinguished in their chosen music, and the older tapes have been well cleaned up for this compilation.   This CD is a production of the Program Design Department, and is available =   from Syracuse University, and, - I believe, OHS. CD No. SUR 1012.   I find it to be both interesting musically, technically, and for the fact that it is obviously a well thought out joint venture on the part of both students and staff.   I have no connection with Syracuse University, which is why I can laud = this CD to the skies!   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Re: "studio privileges" ... important notes From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 18:04:50 EDT   Christopher Howerter sez:   << "In the posting below, it is clearly stated that "[A church] will = NEVER agree to a contract that permits use of the church and instrument 'at the organist's convenience.'" Well, I happen to have proof that it is not = true. If anyone wishes to see my contract, please email me privately." >>   Well, then you got lucky with the church, and the church got unlucky with their attorney. Let's hope they are far more careful about other matters = more critical than the free use of their property.    
(back) Subject: Re: Search - Josephy Clokey From: "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 15:14:17 -0700   Clokey taught at Ohio State University (I believe it was); you might check with their library, and also with Sibley Library at Eastman School of Music ... at one time they offered a serious degree in Theatre Organ, and probably still have a lot of secular organ music in the Sibley collection. Both can probably provide microfilms (for a fee); you just have to find a reader-printer (just about any university library).   Cheers,   Bud   George Seto wrote:   > A friend of mine is looking for availability of any Secular Pipe > Organ sheet music by Joseph Clokey > > I found for him information on Grasshopper: A Tragic Tale. If you know > of more, please advise. > > Thanks. > > Bidh mi 'gad fhaicinn!!! > > > IWK Children's Hospital Telethon - June 5th & 6th, 2004 > $4.1 Million for 2003 - Can we do better? I bet!! > > <<<<< Gum bi thu beo\ ann an a\m u\idheil. >>>>> > > George / Seo\ras Seto > > e-mail address: af221@chebucto.ns.ca <- Main > e-mail address: gseto@corvuscorax.org <- Alternate - Large Files > > url: http://www.geocities.com/george_seto.geo | My stuff > url: http://www.corvuscorax.org:8080/~gseto/creighton | Helen Creighton > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: An Interesting Experience From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 18:28:41 EDT   >Monty, > >Thank you for correcting my misconceptions. As I said, you are a >straight-shooter. > >I'm done. > >noel jones     There's no straight shooting about it...I was merely stating the facts as they have been observed. Our pipe organ is being repaired, we had a = rental organ, our congregation can tell the difference. Their ears are telling = the story, I'm just giving the report. I found it very interesting and thought that list members would find it of interest.   I've already gotten a private email from a list member who's church is currently in the midst of an organ project. The committee, after hearing = both pipes and digitals, has recommended pipes, for the very same reasons that my = church members have mentioned. It's an amazing phenomenon. Pure and simple.   Digitals have their place, and I am glad that they are out there, because = I would much rather play a complete digital than a very limited pipe organ = or a pipe organ in disrepair, given the option, because I want all the bells = and whistles and I want the organ in working order, BUT, the point is, people = can tell the difference between speakers and pipes.   (I know I sound like I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth) Monty Bennett    
(back) Subject: Who's Alice Coolidge? From: "Mark Gustus" <mgustus@msn.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 18:14:46 -0500       >Wasn't it Alice Coolidge at the White House who said, "If you haven't got =   >anything nice to say, sit next to me!"     Noel, Not exactly. It was Alice Roosevelt who said that - even Had it embroidered on a sofa pillow. Mrs. Calvin Coolidge was named Grace.   -Mark      
(back) Subject: Re: WAS: Music from Frog Music press Now Virtual Pipes From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:30:27 -0400   On 5/26/04 11:10 AM, "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> wrote:   > If anybody is familiar with the state of the organbuilding business, they= know > it is not a pretty sight. Very few outfits are really profitable these d= ays.   Enjoy your obviously well-informed posts. But I am puzzled. Call me a "groupie" for about 50 years. I've studied; I've played. But that means little. (It was LONG ago.)   But, what I see is half a dozen fine new companies (joining older ones) building organs that get great reviews. There's the Fritts at PLU, the new ones in Philadelphia and Madison public auditoriums. Even fixing an old on= e in Atlantic City. Meyerson and Disney. Then the nice things by Martin Pas= i (Trinity, Lynnwood, Wash.) and Taylor & Boody (St. Thomas, NYC)! And Schantz at St. Vincent Ferrer, NYC; a couple Manders in the same neighborhood (but I guess they=B9re more than five years ago). But so many more WITHIN five years past!   I can=B9t help feeling OPTIMISTIC. Should I really be less so?   Alan (quite possibly unrealistic)      
(back) Subject: Solemn Evensong From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 00:17:28 EDT   Dear List,   On Friday, June 11 2004 at 6:30 PM, the Church of St. John the Evangelist, = 35 Bowdoin St., Boston, Massachusetts, invites you to join us for an = ecumenical SOLEMN EVENSONG in the Anglo-Catholic liturgical tradition, enhanced by = the best of the Postconciliar Roman musical tradition. Preaching is The Rt. = Rev'd V. Gene Robinson, 9th Bishop of New Hampshire; our Rector, The Rev'd Fr. = Michael J. Roeske will officiate. Musical offerings by the Schola Cantorum of St. John's and the choir of DIGNITY-Boston under the direction of William = Harris and Steve Barbas, respectively. The combined choirs of St. John's and DIGNITY = will present Mr. Harris' Magnificat and Nunc Dimittis (especially composed for = the occasion) and other choral works.   For further information, please see stjohnsbowdoinst.org. The entire = musical programme, including organ voluntaries will soon be posted. Do join us.   Pax, Bill H. SJE, Bowdoin St. aka "The Titcombarama"        
(back) Subject: Re: WAS: Music from Frog Music press Now Virtual Pipes From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 23:41:40 -0500   At 06:30 PM 5/26/2004, Alan wrote:   >Enjoy your obviously well-informed posts. But I am puzzled.   >I can't help feeling OPTIMISTIC. Should I really be less so?     Alan, I was confused too for a moment, until I realized that Arie must be speaking of the non-pipe organ industry. (of which I admit I know little) I think your optimism of the real pipe organ industry is reasonably well founded these days, and believe that APOBA would likely be =   able to furnish data to help prove it....   --Tim        
(back) Subject: Re: New Organ - Interesting facade From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 01:28:28 EDT   In a message dated 5/25/2004 5:33:16 PM Central Daylight Time, llwheels@mac.com writes: Don't ask unless you are prepared for a long story.   Hey, these long stories are part of the "spice of life!" May those with = eyes read unceasingly.   Dale/Independence, MO    
(back) Subject: Re: Hauptwerk Thoughts From: "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 03:27:40 -0400   Dear Listers, The "Hauptwerk" virtual organ project is the one to which I have been=20 committed for about a year and a half. You can read some of my history with= =20 the organ here: http://www.hauptwerk.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D41.   I said, "committed" above. Just so that you know that I understand what=20 commitment is, I will recount the story of the chicken and the pig.   There was once a pig who asked a chicken, "What would you like to eat for=20 breakfast?" The chicken answered quite glibly, "How about bacon and eggs?" The pig replied with a hint of trepidation in his voice, "That's fine for=20 you to suggest, but it's going to take a REAL commitment on my part!"   I have made the commitment. If you read my windy orgo-autobiography at the= =20 above url, you will have read my plans. They were accomplished in the week= =20 following the US Thanksgiving Day in late November and early December of=20 last year. I brought my prize, a three-manual and pedal MIDIfied organ=20 console, from southern California back to Ohio. My physical trauma from a=20 3600 km drive was limited to edema of the lower extremities and more of my= =20 chronic lower back pain.   The financial scope of the console acquisition was truly a deal I couldn't= =20 refuse. At $1500 for a fully MIDIfied console, my stretching of financial=20 burdens was something all my friends told me to go for. The console is rock= =20 solid, the contacts are great (Peterson), and the electronics are fine=20 (InterMIDI and Musicom). The trip to Cali (my first) was a lot of fun, and= =20 the drive through the desert southwest was beautiful.   I moved the console into the house from it's resting place in my garage in= =20 mid-April through the large picture window and got sounds from Hauptwerk=20 using the console after a couple weeks (after going to ebay for a power=20 supply). I am, needless to say, enthralled with what I've accomplished. The= =20 standard, included organ files (gratis with or without the purchase of the= =20 licensed [$70 a year ago] version of Hauptwerk) are from the organ in St.=20 Anne, Moseley, Birmingham, England. I'm not sure who the builder is. (There= =20 are two more free sample sets available now.) I am delighted each time I=20 play the virtual St. Anne organ. It is not a pipe organ that I play, and it= =20 certainly isn't that Hammond RT-3 I had for 35 years. But, for me, it is=20 next-best to a real pipe organ. I don't even need a good sound system, I=20 use an inexpensive set of Koss headphones and listen directly from my=20 M-audio Audiophile USB sound device (instead of a PC sound card).   I am still working on the whole setup, but my wonderment mounts each time I= =20 play. The sheer variety of sounds and, for me, superb quality of voices=20 will entertain me until I go to my final rest. Hauptwerk is a solution to=20 my craving for an instrument that would otherwise be unattainable. The=20 clicking tonewheel thingy certainly didn't palliate my longing for a good=20 pipe organ-like sound in my home. It became unbearable. The Hauptwerk=20 program has allowed this organ "nut" to find some degree of contentment.=20 Now I have to save my nickels and dimes to buy one of the Silbermann sample= =20 sets, or should I go for the Casavant, or maybe the Marcussen, or how about= =20 the Cavaill=E9-Coll, or the up-coming Skinner (no, we have a Skinner box at= =20 church), or that one from the Czech monastery, or the Schantz form Jonathan= =20 Orwig, or maybe I should just throw over the traces and get the= Wurlitzer...?   Ross Coulson "Cole" Votaw -- Springfield, Ohio, USA