PipeChat Digest #4527 - Monday, May 31, 2004
 
Re: PipeChat Digest #4526 - 05/30/04
  by "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com>
Musical demise in Baltimore
  by <Seedlac@aol.com>
A short elaboration.
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
Fwd: media inquiry
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
[Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Musical demise in Baltimore]]
  by "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Musical demise in Baltimore]]
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: A short elaboration.
  by <DMillerRodgers@aol.com>
RE: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Musical demise in Baltimore]]
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Musical demise in Baltimore (as well as some good news)
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #4526 - 05/30/04 From: "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 16:00:53 -0400   I will be there. This is my "swan song" as Dean of the Merrimack Valley chapter.   David Baker    
(back) Subject: Musical demise in Baltimore From: <Seedlac@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 17:15:58 EDT   To all those out there who are aquatinted with the wonderful music and = organ at St. Michael & All Angels Episcopal Church, I am sorry to report that = the organist and choir have been released and it appears that there will no = longer be classical music there on a regular basis. For more than 100 years St. Michael' s has been one of the standard bearers for quality church music, = in the Baltimore region. I understood that "gospel" music will be the norm. There is no word on the fate of the wonderful Skinner organ, my guess is = that it is too early for any change there. Some may remember the 1990 OHS convention where the organ was heard.  
(back) Subject: A short elaboration. From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 17:19:36 -0500   I'd like to add on to my apology concerning the discussion about the use of a Rodgers at Monty's church.   As I said earlier, I was working on a totally skewed conception of the circumstances. Brain was engaged, but not working.   There are many elements involved in the success of an organ. To make it truly work, it must be well-located, in an acoustically friendly environment, well-voiced and well-played.   Any of those elements missing, the organ is almost always off the mark.   I recall hearing the organ at the Cleveland Art Museum after it was relocated to the concert hall.   A cople of poor recitals by visiting name organists was followed by a stellar sounding performance by Catherine Crozier. Same organ, different effect. Is the organ hard to play? Possibly.   Anyhow, once again, apologies to Monty and the List.   noel joens www.frogmusic.com      
(back) Subject: Fwd: media inquiry From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 19:16:12 -0500   To any interested parties, I received this query the other day. Since I have not heard the United Center Alien I cannot really make a comment. If anyone would like to respond please contact Chuck directly. I am sure I am not the only one = that believes condemn the Barton in order to put a toaster in the new arena was =   really stupid.   jch   >X-Originating-Ip: 165.124.229.142 >Organization: Medill >Priority: 3 (Normal) >X-Webmail-User: cch885@localhost >To: info@catoe.org >X-Http_host: merle.it.northwestern.edu >From: Chuck Chiang <c-chiang3@northwestern.edu> >Subject: media inquiry >Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:42:45 -0500 >Reply-To: Chuck Chiang <c-chiang3@northwestern.edu> >X-Mailer: EMUmail 5.2.7 (UA Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT > 5.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)) > > > >Dear CATOE member, > >My name is Chuck Chiang. I am a reporter with the Medill News Service. > >I am writing a piece comparing the organ in the United Center with the >Barton in the Chicago Stadium. I was wondering if anyone at CATOE would >like to speak to me about the topic. > >Thanks for your time. > >Sincerely, > >Chuck Chiang >MNS Arts/Culture reporter    
(back) Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Musical demise in Baltimore]] From: "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 18:21:18 -0700   From a friend in Baltimore:           Indeed. I have already hired one of the dismissed sopranos.   I began my church music career at St. Michael and All Angels. It was there, as a chorister, that I was introduced to Bairstow and Stanford and Howells. It was there that I first heard a Full Swell creeping in under cover of Great Diapasons. It was there that I first thrilled to the sounds of Tuba Mirabilis, Unda Maris, and Untersatz 32'. It was there I first sang Darke in F and swore that I would lead my own choir in it some day.   It was there that I first comprehended that The Beauty Of Holiness could be the result of human endeavour.   It is a very sad day for Anglican Church Music in Baltimore, but it is not a day that has been unexpected. St. Mike's is in a poor section of the city which is rife with drugs and prostitution. Its congregation has mostly died off and moved away, and its enormous resonant nave is now filled with friends and family of the current Rector on Sunday mornings. When I sang there in the 1970s, there were two choirs and two Sunday morning services with music. There were five clergy on staff.   If the congregation can survive and flourish on a diet of "Gospel" music, so be it. Perhaps that is only an extension of its Oxford Movement heritage -- meeting its community on its own terms. If such music can provide a glimpse of the Glory of God for someone -- a vision of heaven which can lift them out of the misery of their daily downtrodden lives -- then it will do some good. But I am saddened to know that one of the best choral libraries in the area, and one of the best Aeolian-Skinner organs on the East Coast, will molder unused while a temporary congregation is built on the illusory tastes and personal charisma of a particular Rector, rather than the time honoured traditions of Anglican music and liturgy.   Best Wishes,   John   (Feel free to forward this to The List, if you wish)     > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Musical demise in Baltimore > Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 17:15:58 EDT > From: Seedlac@aol.com > Reply-To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > > To all those out there who are aquatinted with > the wonderful music and > organ > at St. Michael & All Angels Episcopal Church, I > am sorry to report that the > organist and choir have been released and it > appears that there will no > longer > be classical music there on a regular basis. > For more than 100 years St. > Michael' s has been one of the standard bearers > for quality church > music, in the > Baltimore region. > I understood that "gospel" music will be the > norm. > There is no word on the fate of the wonderful > Skinner organ, my guess is > that > it is too early for any change there. Some may > remember the 1990 OHS > convention where the organ was heard. > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "Art is a private thing, the artist makes it for himself; a comprehensible work is the product of a journalist. We need works that are strong, straight, precise, and forever beyond understanding." -- Tristan Tzara   "Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know." -- Groucho Marx, as Captain Spaulding          
(back) Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Musical demise in Baltimore]] From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 21:33:20 EDT     --part1_156.3659973b.2debe560_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Well, as with most events, we only know part of the story.   However, there ARE Anglican and Roman Catholic churches (for that matter, Baptist, Evangelical, etc etc) in difficult sections of cities, thriving = and ministering.   It's a matter of perspective, and it's more a matter of a missionary = vision of the parishioners and clergy.   Neil by the BAy     --part1_156.3659973b.2debe560_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT SIZE=3D3D3 PTSIZE=3D3D12 = FAMILY=3D =3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Well, as with most events, = we only=3D20=3D know part of the story.<BR> <BR> However, there ARE Anglican and Roman Catholic churches (for that matter, = Ba=3D ptist, Evangelical, etc etc) in difficult sections of cities, thriving and = m=3D inistering.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> It's a matter of perspective, and it's more a matter of a missionary = vision=3D20=3D of the parishioners and clergy.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Neil by the BAy<BR> <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_156.3659973b.2debe560_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: A short elaboration. From: <DMillerRodgers@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 21:34:05 EDT     --part1_102.4692add7.2debe58d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   May I add just a short bit of info too: Yes, I did voice the Rodgers organ = as Monty stated, but I did a quick "rough voicing" of the organ in the = dealer's showroom, responding to the acoustic and harmonic properties of the = showroom. I did not voice the Rodgers organ once it was temporarily installed in the =   sanctuary (and I don't know if anyone actually did any voicing for Monty = in the sanctuary there.)   Happy Memorial Day to everyone.   Best regards, Dan Miller Product Manager and Design Manager of Custom Organs Rodgers Instruments LLC www.rodgersinstruments.com     www.danmillermusic.com   In a message dated 5/30/04 2:20:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, = gedeckt@usit.net writes:     > Subj:A short elaboration. > Date:5/30/04 2:20:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time > From:gedeckt@usit.net > Reply-to:pipechat@pipechat.org > To:pipechat@pipechat.org > Sent from the Internet > > > > I'd like to add on to my apology concerning the discussion about the use =   > of a Rodgers at Monty's church. > > As I said earlier, I was working on a totally skewed conception of the > circumstances. Brain was engaged, but not working. > > There are many elements involved in the success of an organ. To make it =   > truly work, it must be well-located, in an acoustically friendly > environment, well-voiced and well-played. > > Any of those elements missing, the organ is almost always off the mark. > > I recall hearing the organ at the Cleveland Art Museum after it was > relocated to the concert hall. > > A cople of poor recitals by visiting name organists was followed by a > stellar sounding performance by Catherine Crozier. Same organ, different =   > effect. Is the organ hard to play? Possibly. > > Anyhow, once again, apologies to Monty and the List. > > noel joens > www.frogmusic.com > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >     --part1_102.4692add7.2debe58d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 PTSIZE=3D3D10 = FAMILY=3D =3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">May I add just a short bit = of info=3D20=3D too: Yes, I did voice the Rodgers organ as Monty stated, but I did a quick = "=3D rough voicing" of the organ in the dealer's showroom, responding to the = acou=3D stic and harmonic properties of the showroom.&nbsp; I did not voice the = Rodg=3D ers organ once it was temporarily installed in the sanctuary (and I don't = kn=3D ow if anyone actually did any voicing for Monty in the sanctuary = there.)<BR> <BR> Happy Memorial Day to everyone.<BR> <BR> Best regards,<BR> Dan Miller<BR> Product Manager and Design Manager of Custom Organs<BR> Rodgers Instruments LLC<BR> www.rodgersinstruments.com<BR> <BR> <BR> www.danmillermusic.com<BR> <BR> In a message dated 5/30/04 2:20:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, = gedeckt@usit.ne=3D t writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT=3D : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Subj:<B>A short elaboration. = </=3D B><BR> Date:5/30/04 2:20:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time<BR> From:<A HREF=3D3D"mailto:gedeckt@usit.net">gedeckt@usit.net</A><BR> Reply-to:<A = HREF=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A><=3D BR> To:<A = HREF=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A><BR> <I>Sent from the Internet </I><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> I'd like to add on to my apology concerning the discussion about the use = <BR=3D > of a Rodgers at Monty's church.<BR> <BR> As I said earlier, I was working on a totally skewed conception of the = <BR> circumstances.&nbsp; Brain was engaged, but not working.<BR> <BR> There are many elements involved in the success of an organ.&nbsp; To make = i=3D t <BR> truly work, it must be well-located, in an acoustically friendly <BR> environment, well-voiced and well-played.<BR> <BR> Any of those elements missing, the organ is almost always off the = mark.<BR> <BR> I recall hearing the organ at the Cleveland Art Museum after it was <BR> relocated to the concert hall.<BR> <BR> A cople of poor recitals by visiting name organists was followed by a <BR> stellar sounding performance by Catherine Crozier. Same organ, different = <BR=3D > effect.&nbsp; Is the organ hard to play? Possibly.<BR> <BR> Anyhow, once again, apologies to Monty and the List.<BR> <BR> noel joens<BR> www.frogmusic.com<BR> <BR> <BR> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!"<BR> PipeChat:&nbsp; A&nbsp; discussion List for pipe/digital organs &amp; = relate=3D d topics<BR> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org<BR> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org<BR> Administration:&nbsp; mailto:admin@pipechat.org<BR> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:&nbsp; mailto:requests@pipechat.org<BR> <BR> <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_102.4692add7.2debe58d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Musical demise in Baltimore]] From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 14:03:33 +1200   >St. Mike's is in a poor section of the city which is rife with drugs and prostitution. Its congregation has mostly died off and moved away, and its enormous resonant nave is now filled with friends and family of the current Rector on Sunday mornings.   Filled? Isn't that great news?   >If the congregation can survive and flourish on a diet of "Gospel" music, so be it.   Yes, indeed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   > Perhaps that is only an extension of its Oxford Movement heritage -- meeting its community on its own terms. If such music can provide a glimpse of the Glory of God for someone -- a vision of heaven which can lift them out of the misery of their daily downtrodden lives -- then it will do some good.   To put it very gently.......   >......while a temporary congregation is built on the illusory tastes and personal charisma of a particular Rector, rather than the time honoured traditions of Anglican music and liturgy.   How do you know it will be only temporary?   Anyway, you seem to be saying that it really doesn't matter about the = faith of the people in the nave, or how few there are, as long as you have your own particular way of doing things in the choirstalls.   I love classical music, and traditional Anglican styles as much as anyone, but the Church does not exist for me or my musical tastes. It exists to enable people to answer the call of God and to worship him in company of others. All else is peripheral.   Ross   --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.691 / Virus Database: 452 - Release Date: 26/05/2004    
(back) Subject: Re: Musical demise in Baltimore (as well as some good news) From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 23:33:01 EDT   In a message dated 5/30/04 5:16:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = Seedlac@aol.com writes:   << To all those out there who are aquatinted with the wonderful music and organ at St. Michael & All Angels Episcopal Church, I am sorry to report that = the organist and choir have been released and it appears that there will no longer be classical music there on a regular basis. For more than 100 years St. Michael' s has been one of the standard bearers for quality church music, = in the Baltimore region. I understood that "gospel" music will be the norm. There is no word on the fate of the wonderful Skinner organ, my guess is that it is too early for any change there. >>   This item really stuck close to home - my church is kitty-corner across = the street from St. Michael and All Angels (or as we like to call it sometimes = St. Michael and Dull Angels). Unfortunetly, the congregation has been going dwindling for the last 20+ years, while the endowment has been growing. = One priest who was there for many years was just waiting to retire, and the next one = who came with 'instructions' to re-grow the church, met with much resistance = from the church council (or whatever the governing board in Episcopal churches = is called). He decided it wasn't worth the fight and left after a year or = so. Then the diocese sent an African-American woman, which went over like a = lead balloon since the one previous long-time rector did not approve of the ordination of women, and that feeling was still somewhat prevalent in the = congregation. They were without a permanent pastor for well over a year, and the = current pastor was sent there to try to encourage more minorities to attend since = the neighborhood is predominantly African-American. Anytime there was a = community service held at St. Michael's, the number of parishioners from that church = was quite small. (Incidentally, the Methodist church just up the street is Lovely Lane Methodist, considered by some to be the birthplace of American =   Methodism. The architecture of the building is very interesting). Now = St. Michael's does not participate in any ecumenical event, unless, in the words of the pastor: we do it here and it directly benefits St. Michael's. It's a = shame since the organ there is one of the best organs in the city (I had suggested = sending the "Midnight Supply Company" over to appropriate the orgn, but since out acoustics are quite different from their's, it wouldn't sound as good in = our building.   There were 6 major Episcopal congregations until about 25 years ago. One = of them closed and its members dispersed to other local congregations. Now a =   couple of the remaining ones are struggling. At one time, the = neighborhood was one of the 'tonier' ones in Baltimore, but before the second world war, = many people started moving to the suburbs, and established churches there = (which is no surprise to anyone reading this list). Now the neighborhood is on the upswing - it is a couple of blocks of the train stations, and = Washingtonians are moving to Baltimore and taking the train to work. Also, the city's = designated "Arts District is just south of the neighborhood. It's true that several blocks away are some major drug areas, but fortunately for us, any drug = dealing in the immediate neighborhood is not done anywhere near the churches. And = the prostitition mentioned is really several blocks south - in areas where the =   houses are vacant and there are no residents to complain.   My church rents 2 dozen parking spaces in our lot to St, Michael's, but rarely are more than 8 used. Add to this the dozen or so spaces on the = street in front of the church, and you get an idea or how small the attendence is. = And yes, what another person wrote is true, most of the congregation are the relatives of the current rector. I would imagine they probably have about = 25-30 people for the gospel service, and even fewer for the traditional masses. =     Since I've asked questions of this list about getting a new/refurbished organ, I thought I'd give an update about St. Mark's Lutheran Church's = organ project. We signed a contract with Patrick Murphy several months ago, and = the following information was given to the congregation today. The console = for the 'new' organ is almost finished. Then next year (2005) the reeds and = brighter pipes will be removed at the beginning of Lent to be refurbished. Then = the rest of the organ will be removed during the week after Easter, and if = everything goes according to schedule, the new organ should be ready to go for the Pentecost (or is it Trinity sunday) service in 2005. I'll keep you folks = notified of the progress of the organ.   Richard Spittel Baltimore, MD