PipeChat Digest #4873 - Thursday, November 4, 2004
 
Artist in Residence
  by <Steskinner@aol.com>
Re: All Saints Postlude
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Hammond Model H
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
Re: Hammond Model H
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
Re: Hammond Model H
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
Organ Builder Forum
  by <Gardum@aol.com>
Re: Hammond Model H
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
new Hammonds
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Hammond Model H
  by "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca>
RE: Hammond Model H
  by "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com>
RE: Hammond Model H
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Hammond Model H
  by "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca>
Re: Hammond Model H
  by "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca>
Re: Hammond Model H
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
RE: Hammond Model H
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
What do you play for Memorial Service
  by "John Jarvis" <jljarvis@comcast.net>
Re: Hammond Model H
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
RE: Hammond Model H
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
 

(back) Subject: Artist in Residence From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 05:29:56 EST   In a message dated 11/2/2004 9:59:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, = RMB10@aol.com writes: My postlude for this coming week is going to be "Fanfare on Sine Nomine" = by John West, who is the Organst/Artist in Residence at Bel Air Presbyterian = in Los Angeles. Would someone enlighten me as to the difference between a mere "organist," = an "organist-in-residence" and a generic "artist-in-residence." Does an organist/artist "in residence" live in the blower room?     Steven Skinner Minister of Music First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA  
(back) Subject: Re: All Saints Postlude From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:58:39 EST   Fanfare on Sine Nomine by John West is Publised by Augsburg Fortress Sorry, I seem to be leaving out all sorts of publisher information = lately! Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Model H From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:01:01 -0500   Yeah, speaking of those drawbars, just how are you supposed to know which one is which? I noticed that some of them were strange mutations. I can see how you could make some interesting sounds once you figure out how = they work. I mean, I suppose I could eventually figure them out just by experimenting. Is there a book? The Gig Bag Book of Hammond Drawbar = Charts?   Andy     On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 22:54:46 -0500, Tom Hoehn wrote > Bud is right about the extra 2 drawbars on the H model Hammond (a = standard > furniture version of the X-77). I used to teach on one - with no > Leslie and it was a real screamer. When the store I was teaching in > wanted to demo a Leslie they hooked up a 147RV to and it made all > the difference in the world to the sound. And yes it's REALLY HEAVY. > > Tom Hoehn, Organist   > From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:48 PM > Subject: Re: Hammond Model H > > > I disagree ... wasn't it the Model H that had the two extra drawknobs > > ... Septieme and None ... that made it a lot easier to synthesize reed > > and string sounds? Also, unlike some of the earlier models, the bottom > > octave of the 16' in the pedal wasn't resultant ... it went all the = way > > down. > > > > I'm less fond of some of the toys that were added, but probably all it > > needs is oiling ... be sure you use the special Hammond oil ... it's > > still available ... and possibly check to see if someone has changed = the > > presents (the little switchboard in the back of the console) > > > > A tube Leslie will make a better sound than a solid-state Leslie; it > > might need a blown speaker or belt replaced, or a tube or two (if it's > > tube), but all of the above are relatively cheap to do. > > > > It's still a tonewheeler, and, aside from the extra toys, you can = still > > play it like a B-3. > > > > Yeah, they're heavy (grin). > > > > Go on the HamTech list and ask if there are other problems I'm not = aware > > of, but I played one for awhile in a small church and didn't find > > anything objectionable. > > > > The price is right ... you won't get what you'd get for a B-3 if you > > want to resell it, but the Leslie alone is probably worth the effort. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bud > > > > Andy Lawrence wrote: > > > > > Ok, thanks, good advice. But what about the Leslie itself? = Worthless? > > > Andy > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:32:26 EST, RMB10 wrote > > > Speaking of Hammonds, I just checked out one that a funeral home is > giving > > > away. This being my first time touching one, I wasn't sure what I = was > > > doing > > > and had some trouble making it do anything repeatably. I checked = out > the > > > model number, but have already forgotten. H-something, I think. > 25-note > > > radiating pedal keyboard, 61-note manuals, external Leslie, as well = as > > > internal speakers. White/Black key stop keys on the left in = addtion to > the > > > > > > drawbars. I was thoroughly confused; I did get it to make noise, = but > > > nothing I did made it sound like what I think of when I think > "Hammond". > > > It > > > is also unbelievably heavy, so I'm not sure how attractive it would = be > to a > > > rock band that has to move it around. > > > > > > Thoughts from the Hammond experts out there? I have no use for it > > > whatsoever, but I figured maybe someone might give me money for it, = so I > > > might grab it. I suppose in theory I could practice on it. > > > > > > Andy > > >     A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Model H From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:03:56 -0500   Where do I find this HamTech list?   > > Go on the HamTech list and ask if there are other problems I'm not > aware of, but I played one for awhile in a small church and didn't > find anything objectionable.       A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Model H From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:06:06 -0500   Never mind, sorry, found it. dot org not dot com   On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:03:56 -0500, Andy Lawrence wrote > Where do I find this HamTech list? > > > > > Go on the HamTech list and ask if there are other problems I'm not > > aware of, but I played one for awhile in a small church and didn't > > find anything objectionable. > > A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service > PO Box 111 > Burlington, VT 05402 > (802)578-3936 > Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com     A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: Organ Builder Forum From: <Gardum@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:59:55 EST   The Northwest Indiana Chapter, AGO, will present an Organ Builder Forum on =   Sunday, November 14, 2004 at 3:00 (CST) held in St. Mary Parish School = Hall, 421 E. Joliet St., Crown Point, Indiana.   Representatives from Allen, Buzard, Rodgers/Ruffati, Schantz, and Wicks = will discuss latest trends, current projects, etc., and answer audience = questions.   The meeting will NOT be a pipe/digital debate or a sales venue, but merely = a casual setting for dialogue and information. There will be displays and literature. All are welcome, especially clergy and organ committees and = those seeking to update their knowledge.   The church is easily accessible on US 231 from I-65. Enter Hammes School adjacent to the church.  
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Model H From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 07:42:02 -0800   From left to right, the first black one to the right of the 1' one is 1 1/7'; the second one is 8/9'. Unfortunately they (and model H Hammonds having them) weren't around long enough to be included in any of the Hammond stop dictionaries or Hammond registrations in printed music, but if you draw a typical soft string combination like 00-2232-110 and add 10 or 11 to it, you'll see the difference (use VC-1 and/or celeste speed on the Leslie); likewise a chorus tuba like 00-8888-864 and add 33 to it. As with pipe organs, a little of either goes a long way.   The model H owner's manual MIGHT have had some combinations in it, but I don't remember.   There are treble and bass contour controls in the back of the console; ANY Hammond sounds better with a Leslie, but you can also turn down the treble so the internal speakers won't etch glass if you pull anything above 4' (grin). Same with the Leslie.   The other thing I regularly did with Hammonds was to change that ugly Great C# "'cello" preset to an English Horn or something USEFUL, and take the 16' off Swell and Great A. All you have to do is move the colored wires around on the little switchboard in the back of the console. It's not a good idea to do much MORE than that unless you keep a chart with the presets and their drawbar equivalents at the organ, so that you can pull whatever presets you've CHANGED on the adjustable A# and B if you want to follow printed Hammond registrations.   I noticed, though, when I was looking for that chart (which I've lost; if anybody's got it, please post it) is that there are LOTS of alternative preset setups on the Net for theatre, jazz, gospel, rock, etc. if you DON'T want to use the factory preset settings.   The new XB clone also has hundreds that can be loaded into a disk drive, or something like that.   Cheers,   Bud   Andy Lawrence wrote: > Yeah, speaking of those drawbars, just how are you supposed to know = which > one is which? I noticed that some of them were strange mutations. I = can > see how you could make some interesting sounds once you figure out how = they > work. I mean, I suppose I could eventually figure them out just by > experimenting. Is there a book? The Gig Bag Book of Hammond Drawbar = Charts? > > Andy > > > On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 22:54:46 -0500, Tom Hoehn wrote > >>Bud is right about the extra 2 drawbars on the H model Hammond (a = standard >>furniture version of the X-77). I used to teach on one - with no >>Leslie and it was a real screamer. When the store I was teaching in >>wanted to demo a Leslie they hooked up a 147RV to and it made all >>the difference in the world to the sound. And yes it's REALLY HEAVY. >> >>Tom Hoehn, Organist > > >>From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> >>To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >>Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:48 PM >>Subject: Re: Hammond Model H >> >> >>>I disagree ... wasn't it the Model H that had the two extra drawknobs >>>... Septieme and None ... that made it a lot easier to synthesize reed >>>and string sounds? Also, unlike some of the earlier models, the bottom >>>octave of the 16' in the pedal wasn't resultant ... it went all the way >>>down. >>> >>>I'm less fond of some of the toys that were added, but probably all it >>>needs is oiling ... be sure you use the special Hammond oil ... it's >>>still available ... and possibly check to see if someone has changed = the >>>presents (the little switchboard in the back of the console) >>> >>>A tube Leslie will make a better sound than a solid-state Leslie; it >>>might need a blown speaker or belt replaced, or a tube or two (if it's >>>tube), but all of the above are relatively cheap to do. >>> >>>It's still a tonewheeler, and, aside from the extra toys, you can still >>>play it like a B-3. >>> >>>Yeah, they're heavy (grin). >>> >>>Go on the HamTech list and ask if there are other problems I'm not = aware >>>of, but I played one for awhile in a small church and didn't find >>>anything objectionable. >>> >>>The price is right ... you won't get what you'd get for a B-3 if you >>>want to resell it, but the Leslie alone is probably worth the effort. >>> >>>Cheers, >>> >>>Bud >>> >>>Andy Lawrence wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Ok, thanks, good advice. But what about the Leslie itself? = Worthless? >>>>Andy >>>> >>>>On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:32:26 EST, RMB10 wrote >>>>Speaking of Hammonds, I just checked out one that a funeral home is >> >>giving >> >>>>away. This being my first time touching one, I wasn't sure what I = was >>>>doing >>>>and had some trouble making it do anything repeatably. I checked out >> >>the >> >>>>model number, but have already forgotten. H-something, I think. >> >>25-note >> >>>>radiating pedal keyboard, 61-note manuals, external Leslie, as well = as >>>>internal speakers. White/Black key stop keys on the left in addtion > > to > >>the >> >>>>drawbars. I was thoroughly confused; I did get it to make noise, = but >>>>nothing I did made it sound like what I think of when I think >> >>"Hammond". >> >>>>It >>>>is also unbelievably heavy, so I'm not sure how attractive it would = be >> >>to a >> >>>>rock band that has to move it around. >>>> >>>>Thoughts from the Hammond experts out there? I have no use for it >>>>whatsoever, but I figured maybe someone might give me money for it, so =   > > I > >>>>might grab it. I suppose in theory I could practice on it. >>>> >>>>Andy >>>> > > > > A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service > PO Box 111 > Burlington, VT 05402 > (802)578-3936 > Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: new Hammonds From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 07:52:48 -0800   The most SURREAL experience I had at the last trade show I went to was playing a new digital Church Model ... all the Hammond stuff was there, plus a "black box" similar to Allen's or Galanti's with pipe organ digital samples ... having those sounds on the presets (you had to shift gears or something to get them) and having them come out of what looked like a typical Church Model Hammond was ... um ... strange? ... amusing?   The LARGER Hammonds with traditional stop controls and consoles were VERY disappointing ... they had a very European/Dutch sound, like an early Johannus ... there's a 3-manual drawknob model on the Hammond/Suzuki site (or was), but I think somebody told me it never got past the prototype stage. I believe those organs were made by Electronium in Holland.   What will get Hammond back in the game will be convincing B-3 purists to accept the much lighter (and much more expensive) digital B-3 clone. I DOUBT they'll be much competition in the Rodgers-Allen-etc. church organ market ... there's ONE Hammond/Suzuki dealer for the entire western USA, last I heard.   Cheers,   Bud          
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Model H From: "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:09:00 -0500   > I noticed, though, when I was looking for that chart (which I've > lost; if anybody's got it, please post it) ...   A Hammond is basically a 1-"pipe" unit flute. The white bars are 8', 4', 2' etc. The reverse-colour keys at the left are combinations "pistons", you can press only one at a time.   For example, you can pull out the left white drawbar (8') to 4 or 5, and you'll have a very pure toned 8' flute (a pure sinewave). Add a little of the next white drawbar (4'), maybe 2 or 3, and you'll have a basic flute. A little of the next white bar, maybe 1 or 2, will make the flute brighter. The bars to the right are shrill and squeaky, the brown bars are muddy, and the black bars are gritty and set your teeth on edge.   http://www.pipechat.org/archives/1998/october/digest564.html#Anchor11   http://www.myplanet.net/x77dude/drawbars.html   http://theatreorgans.com/hammond/faq/hammond-faq.html   http://www.google.ca/search?&q=3Dhammond+presets+a%23    
(back) Subject: RE: Hammond Model H From: "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:20:09 -0600   Bgsx wrote:   =20   "The reverse-colour keys at the left are combinations "pistons", you can     press only one at a time.   =20   For example, you can pull out the left white drawbar (8') to 4 or 5, and     you'll have a very pure toned 8' flute (a pure sinewave). Add a little=20   of the next white drawbar (4'), maybe 2 or 3, and you'll have a basic=20   flute. A little of the next white bar, maybe 1 or 2, will make the flute     brighter. The bars to the right are shrill and squeaky, the brown bars=20   are muddy, and the black bars are gritty and set your teeth on edge."   =20   =20   =20   You can push more than one of the presets keys at a time-this makes a combination of the two (or more) presets, albeit at a lesser volume than either one might be by itself   =20   I think it might be important to clarify, for those who aren't familiar with the tonal assignments of the drawbars, that the drawbars each represent pitches, very similar to organ stops. Each pitch comes from the same tone generator--they're all a pure flute, but the tonal assignments are something like this (I can't remember quite!)   =20   16', 5-1/3', 8', 4', 2-2/3', 2', 1-3/5', 1-1/3', 1'   =20   The basic premise is that you could, by mixing each of these same flute voices at different pitches and different volume levels, create any type of sound that a pipe organ could produce, because all the basic pitches are there. Whether or not you think that works in practice, however, is debatable. I was never satisfied with it.   =20   Daniel Hancock   Springfield, Missouri  
(back) Subject: RE: Hammond Model H From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:15:07 +1300     >A Hammond is basically a 1-"pipe" unit flute. The white bars are 8', 4', 2' etc.   And that is one of the reasons why a chorus is impossible. At best you are really only synthesising varieties of 8ft stops.   >For example, you can pull out the left white drawbar (8') to 4 or 5, and you'll have a very pure toned 8' flute (a pure sinewave). Add a little of the next white drawbar (4'), maybe 2 or 3, and you'll have a basic flute. A little of the next white bar, maybe 1 or 2, will make the flute brighter. The bars to the right are shrill and squeaky, the brown bars are muddy, and the black bars are gritty and set your teeth on edge.   This latter is not really so. From my experience of Hammonds (which was = back in the early 1960s but not since) if you want a decent 8ft flute, you = should on the drawbars pull about 4 or 5 on the 8ft, about 5 on the 4ft, and the Larigot to about 1.   Too, to give a tolerably realistic reed effect, you sometimes need to do other odd things. A Trumpet might be, for example, 01 5788 870. The 5 1/3 Quint at low volume seems to help.   As a matter of curiosity, I reset all those presets on the C-3 in St = Luke's Presbyterian Church in Lower Hutt (an hour's drive from where I live now) back in 1961 and those settings are still there, to my enormous surprise. And, damn it, the instrument is still in good order.   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Model H From: "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:39:22 -0500   Daniel Hancock wrote: > You can push more than one of the presets keys at a time-this makes a > combination of the two (or more) presets, albeit at a lesser volume > than either one might be by itself   To an organist who has never sat down at a Hammond before, the presets look like stops, but they're really more like combination buttons.   From "Playing the Hammond Organ" copyright 1941 The Hammond Instrument Company 4200 West Diversey Avenue Chicago 39, Illinois   page 14:   "Still keeping to the upper manual, depress the pre-set D by itself and notice that as you do so pre-set C# will return to it's "off" position. Right here is an important thing to remember. TWO PRE-SETS AT ONE TIME ARE NEVER USED! Should you make a mistake and get two down together, depress the low C and they will be released."   In the book, the sentence "TWO PRE-SETS AT ONE TIME ARE NEVER USED!" is in italics for emphasis.   (My mother was organist at an Anglican church which had a Hammond, i still have some of the books that went with it. They replaced it with an Allen MDS-1. On the Allen, I remember you could couple the Great chimes to the pedals and get the chime sound on the pedals without the percussion envelope ... a rather strange sound. Also, you could couple Swell sounds to the Great chimes, and they would be added inside the chimes envelope, giving you a variety of chime effects, not that it was supposed to work that way. The flute and pedal sounds went to one speaker, and all other sounds went to the other speaker. Princess pedal board, swell pedal acts as a volume control for the whole instument, pressing a combination piston disbles the stop tabs, console behind the choir where the choir can't see the organist/choir director.   Adaquate for their purposes, I guess.   To try out organs before buying one, they decided to rent various models and let the congregation vote for the one they preferred, but I don't think they knew enough to cast an intelligent vote ... one person asked which organ they were listening to this week ... it was their old Hammond organ, he couldn't tell the difference.   I heard that during the service, the person who was playing the organ hit the cancel piston on the far right of the console, expecting a sound for the next stanza. I noticed that she had the Pedal to Great autobass coupler on every combination (she was a pian-organist) but had no pedal stops selected to couple to. Someone said later, that organ had no = "oomph".)  
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Model H From: "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:42:39 -0500     By the way, here's another kind of Hammond organ   http://www.hammondcastle.org/organ.htm      
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Model H From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:58:50 -0500   i noticed that in the stoplist, the intramanual couplers are noted as = having "16 pipes" or "4 pipes", rather than simply saying 16' or 4' = coupler. the stoplist must have been written by a non-organist who = thought that number indicated how many pipes there were for that stop.   scot   In a message dated 11/3/2004 7:42:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, bgsx = <bgsx52@sympatico.ca> writes:   > >By the way, here's another kind of Hammond organ > >http://www.hammondcastle.org/organ.htm > > > >****************************************************************** >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: =A0A =A0discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related = topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: =A0mailto:admin@pipechat.org >List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >  
(back) Subject: RE: Hammond Model H From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:03:54 -0500   Wow. I've learned more about Hammond organs in the last 24 hours than my whole lifetime before. I was totally perplexed when I saw the key stops = on the left in addition to the drawbars. I didn't realize the stops were presets to the drawbars.   The drawbar concept is kind of cool when you think about it. It sort of allows the organist to be the "voicer". I've sometimes wished I could adjust the volume a bit on individual stops on the pipe organ! Maybe you actually could do it with unit action and an expression box for every = stop! But of course on the Hammond it is all one stop. I guess basically you've =   got a 97-note or so tibia available at every imaginable pitch, with the added feature (that pipes couldn't give) of being able to adjust the = volume of each pitch individually.   Someone was talking about what Hammond would have to do to get back on the =   scene. Simple. Do what they did before. Make a real B-3. Sure, replace =   the tubes with transistors but otherwise do the same thing. Make = absolutely certain it _looks_ like the real thing. That's actually more important = than it sounding like the real thing. Real spinning speakers and all that. = Rock bands would eat it up! Me, I'd have no use for it, but I think there's a ripe market.   Andy     A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: What do you play for Memorial Service From: "John Jarvis" <jljarvis@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:13:34 -0800   I must have a Halloween hangover as I have spent some time today weeding through my "Memorial Service" file. In years past, I have played for = dozens of these types of services each year but quit doing them a couple years back. The calls are starting to come in again for Memorial Services and = I would like to make some changes to my music selections. What pieces do = you all use for these types of services for Prelude and Postlude in = particular? BTW, I play mostly for conservative Presbyterian, Congregational, = Baptist and etc. types of churches.   Thanks in advance for your help.   JJ    
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Model H From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 22:12:35 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 3:15 PM Subject: RE: Hammond Model H     > This latter is not really so. From my experience of Hammonds (which was back > in the early 1960s but not since) if you want a decent 8ft flute, you should > on the drawbars pull about 4 or 5 on the 8ft, about 5 on the 4ft, and = the > Larigot to about 1.   Actually I used to spend much of my childhood doing the same kind of thing with a pipe organ. The organ in the chapel of my decadent English public school had a Claribel Flute. Actually the lowest two octave of this were from the original Father Smith organ of the early 1700's. But in any case the Claribel Flute and its bass had been revoiced beyond recognition by a local hack builder in 1907. To get any decent sound at all out of this at all one had to couple it to the Choir Nazard with the box mostly shut, to add just enough of the 2.2/3' to give it an interesting sound. Basically one is doing the same thing with Hammond drawbars. What worries me most about today's organists is that many of them are incapable of doing this sort of thing. They simply look at the music and if it says English Horn they have to have an English Horn. Most of them do not even know that if = on many organs they pull out the Viole d' Orchestre with the Nazard they will get the same sound. This is why people today demand 150 rank organs, and even then do not know how to use them. It is about time they started experimenting and listening to the sounds they make WITH THEIR EARS.\\   Sorry for the rant.   John Speller      
(back) Subject: RE: Hammond Model H From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:34:52 +1300   >Most of them do not even know that if on many organs they pull out the Viole d' Orchestre with the Nazard they will get the same sound. This is why people today demand 150 rank organs, and even then do not know how to use them. It is about time they started experimenting and listening to the sounds they make WITH THEIR EARS.\\   >Sorry for the rant.   Please don't apologise for your "rant." I'd like to hear much more of the same and will happily toss in my own ravings as well! :-)   Ross