PipeChat Digest #4881 - Saturday, November 6, 2004
 
Re: Off-Topic:  Canadian Embassy's website crashes
  by "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@prairieinet.net>
Re: Off-Topic:  Canadian Embassy's website crashes
  by "C. Joseph Nichols" <cjn@nicholsandsimpson.com>
Re: Veteran's Day
  by "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
Re: Off-Topic:  Canadian Embassy's website crashes
  by "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
Re: Off-Topic:  Canadian Embassy's website crashes
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Small Organs...without shades.
  by "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>
Pachelbel: Serenade? PLUS
  by "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net>
God Bless America
  by "David Baker" <dgb137@mac.com>
Re: Off-Topic:  Canadian Embassy's website crashes
  by "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@prairieinet.net>
Re: Off-Topic:  Canadian Embassy's website crashes
  by "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net>
Two Pipe Organ Design Articles
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Off-Topic:  Canadian Embassy's website crashes
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
ALL READ NOW!!!!! Re: Off-Topic:  Canadian Embassy's website crashes
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Pachelbel: Serenade? PLUS
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
re: Musical Fallout from Election
  by "John Jarvis" <jljarvis@comcast.net>
US copyright laws
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: God Bless America
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Canadian Embassy's website crashes From: "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@prairieinet.net> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 08:49:05 -0600   Well Ken, 51% of the people apparently don't see it your way. The election is over, and your side lost. Move on.     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com> In > America it now feels like 1933 all over again, but without a wise > leader to guide and defend us.    
(back) Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Canadian Embassy's website crashes From: "C. Joseph Nichols" <cjn@nicholsandsimpson.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:03:02 -0600   Interesting link. My only political comment is---hmmm.   http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm   C. Joseph Nichols Nichols & Simpson, Inc. http://www.nicholsandsimpson.com       ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@prairieinet.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 8:49 AM Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Canadian Embassy's website crashes     > Well Ken, 51% of the people apparently don't see it your way. The = election > is over, and your side lost. Move on. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com> > In >> America it now feels like 1933 all over again, but without a wise >> leader to guide and defend us. > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >    
(back) Subject: Re: Veteran's Day From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:08:02 +0800   Surekly that cannot be so Bud unless your copyirght laws are quite unique. =   In this country copyright lasts for 70 years after the death of the = composer (was 50 but was recently increased I believe). Another edition/revision = may be published under copyright but this publication can only last 25 years = and CANNOT BE RENEWED. A fuirther edition/revision may be made and will be subject to copyright for 25 years but the original revision remains in the =   public comain,. I understand that variations between diofferent countrues only really affect the length of time that copyright exists on the music. = Is the US copyright law as different as all that? If so you need to buy old editions from overseas where copyright has expired after the 25 years. I think Scot may have a good point there. Bob Elms.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 11:17 AM Subject: Re: Veteran's Day     > the proceeds go to the Boy Scouts; the foundation keeps renewing it > > BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote: > >> are you sure it's still under copyright? doesn't copyright last 37-1/2 =   >> years, renewable only once? if so, it should expire within the last 12 =   >> months. or have the laws changed? >> >> scot    
(back) Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Canadian Embassy's website crashes From: "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:15:51 -0000   Always nice to know that things are so clean-cut - particularly when 49% = of the country are against you.(in addition to those would couldn't be = bothered to vote for you at all).   To keep 'on-topic' ...... is this also reflected in the other thread(s) - = of people disputing 'your' choice of music - and 'your' volume of = registrations ?   So, everything is A-OK, even when half of the people are disagreeing with you. (Not a whole-hearted endorsement - whether in pulpit, organ loft, or White House).   Harry Grove [a.k.a. a musicman who presents himself to his electorate every 5 years]   ___________________________________________________________________________= ___   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@prairieinet.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Canadian Embassy's website crashes     > Well Ken, 51% of the people apparently don't see it your way. The = election > is over, and your side lost. Move on.    
(back) Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Canadian Embassy's website crashes From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:20:27 -0500   What does "Move on" mean? Giving up all political activity until the next election? I guess that new restriction on freedom of speech must be in = the Patriot Act somewhere. Sounds more and more like Germany in 1933, that's for sure.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu       on 11/6/04 9:49 AM, Mark W. McClellan at omicron@prairieinet.net wrote:   > Well Ken, 51% of the people apparently don't see it your way. The = election > is over, and your side lost. Move on. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com> > In >> America it now feels like 1933 all over again, but without a wise >> leader to guide and defend us. > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >    
(back) Subject: Re: Small Organs...without shades. From: "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 07:23:53 -0800 (PST)     --- "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> wrote:   > Hello, Morton: > > > Au contraire, this summer I subbed on an organ at > a > > church... I left the Swell Organ shades completely > > open during the whole service... Why? well I > must > > confess one reason is that as my right foot was > not in > > good condition, I could not open and close the > > expression pedal that readily... Fortunately when > it > > was necessary to play on the Swell alone I usually > > used two beatifully voiced stops at my disposal > > (Salicional 8', actually a wonderful Salicional 8' > > Diapason that I could have played on forever > without > > tiring, and the Voix Celeste 8' together with the > > Salicional 8')... >   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   Hi Dick, and fellow ladies and gentlemen of the list.   Forgive me for not replying earlier; I have been occupied not only with other pressing tasks but also with trying to formulate an answer to kind post.   I recently became aware of a nice MP3 file of an organ music at:   http://evensongmusic.net/audio/Loret_Prier.mp3   That piece will give you an idea of what "I" could listen to for a long time... alternating between the Salicional Diapason by itself and also drawn with the celeste now and then... plus soloing on the Great when a solo is called for....   I also would enjoy playing Benoit's Fifty Elevations on Modal Themes with these ranks, as well as some pieces from Flor Peeters Sixty Short Pieces...   And yes, I do believe luscious, schmaltzy music is appropriate... I believe much organ music in church should be soothing, restful, and yet inspiring...   Naturally there are occasions when somewhat joyful compositions are in order... But when a parishioner enters a church prior to a worship service, doesn't he/she want to listen to comforting music as he prays, and as he tries to forget the outside world for a while?   Thus unlike certain individuals, I believe even on a one-manual organ that either a celeste rank or at least a nice dolce/dulciana plus a suitably adjusted tremulant should be available... Others do not agree with me, I'm sure...   Now in most organs there is at least a Swell to Great 8' and 4'. For a nice hymn introduction, (again, with the shades suitably adjusted) couple the Sw. Diapason to the Great at 8' and 4' Then, just before the congregation begins to sing, add some ranks on the Great....   A few years ago an elderly woman on the music committee of that church asked if I could tone down my hymn introductions... but also added that when the people were singing that naturally the organ should be loud enough to lead... I asked her where she sat... She said she sat up front... (which was near one of the organ speakers of that Rodgers)... I did follow her suggestion... and when I stopped being the de facto interim of that church that summer, she came over and thanked me for my musical contributions...   My point is that a hymn introduction should be loud enough to be heard; but it doesn't have to be that overpowering...   My church's former organ had a 4' Fugara... I regret that I didn't make more use of the Swell 16' and unison off with that particular rank... In fact, as so many churches seem to have unsatisfactory acoustics or fat, open flute-like Diapasons, I've come to the conclusion that all too often a Diapason should be voiced as a stringish diapason, as opposed to a fluty Diapason...   So although you may have been hooted at, "just don't give a hoot..." Even Bach had a tremelo, and I think he may have had a schwebung on certain instruments...   Yes, there surely is a time for luscious, schmaltzy music...   God bless,   Best wishes to all,     Morton Belcher fellow list member...   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     > I can hear these stops in my mind. Can you give us > an idea of a few samples that you would play on > these stops (style, not necessarily pieces of > literature), > because I have talked positively about using > stops/combinations like this to be hooted at by > fellows who insist that sounds like that might be > conisdered much too luscious, schmaltzy. > > Not being critical, just curious. > > F. Richard Burt > > > . > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com    
(back) Subject: Pachelbel: Serenade? PLUS From: "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:37:50 -0500   A recent bride has heard something off a CD ("Music For Your Perfect Wedding, As Long As Daddy Will Pay for Full Orchestra Or You Play THIS CD in Church") called "Serenade". She knows enough to know it's not the Pachelbel Canon. I have searched my organ music and have nothing like this, nor have I heard the title before. Anybody know what this might be?   PLUS: What kind of America do we want? This was not an election, it was like picking teams for dodgeball. Very few solutions to most of our national issues were really discussed, then all of a sudden it became a referendum on "moral values", which in my view meant "We get to decide if you're enough LIKE US or not, so we know if the Golden Rule applies to you OR NOT." And that applies to individuals in our own country as well as to how we treat foreign nations. Where is the nobility in using moral or spiritual energy to divide us from ourselves and from the rest of the world? So it bothers me when somebody on the list says "You LOST, now shut up", because that seems to reinforce my assessment of the situation. Does "losing" mean losing the right to dissent lest you be branded as a traitor? This is my greatest fear, because I believe that IS what it means. America changes its stripes in one calendar week? I hope not.   Chuck Peery St. Louis         On Nov 6, 2004, at 10:20 AM, Randolph Runyon wrote:   > What does "Move on" mean? Giving up all political activity until the > next > election? I guess that new restriction on freedom of speech must be > in the > Patriot Act somewhere. Sounds more and more like Germany in 1933, > that's > for sure. > > > Randy Runyon > Music Director > Zion Lutheran Church > Hamilton, Ohio > runyonr@muohio.edu > > > > on 11/6/04 9:49 AM, Mark W. McClellan at omicron@prairieinet.net wrote: > >> Well Ken, 51% of the people apparently don't see it your way. The >> election >> is over, and your side lost. Move on. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com> >> In >>> America it now feels like 1933 all over again, but without a wise >>> leader to guide and defend us. >> >> >> ****************************************************************** >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >> > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >    
(back) Subject: God Bless America From: "David Baker" <dgb137@mac.com> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:44:50 -0500   Re: The following response to my inquiry: +++++++++++ That's an interesting post. I wasn't sure how to take David Baker's message= ,=20 if it is indeed from him. I've not met David, but if it's the same poster= =20 that I'm remembering, he lives in Boston, is an attorney an plays a Hook=20 somewhere around there. From his posts, I glean that he is an intellectual= =20 and a superlative human being and that this post is not characteristic of= =20 him. Or maybe I'm wrong.=20 MWM=20 +++++++++++   That is indeed the correct David Baker and I appreciate the compliment. My= comment about holding my nose was misunderstood, however. I agree that "G= od Bless America" is a great song, and I get chills thinking about the time= s I heard Kate Smith, I think it was, singing it (on recordings or film; an= cient as I am, I'm not THAT old). However, like Bud (I suspect), I take a = conservative approach to music in the Roman Catholic liturgy, generally, an= d great as it is, "God Bless America" just is not appropriate for a catholi= c mass, IMMHO, especially as a recessional, which is what has been requeste= d. The post-Vatican II liturgical documents require consideration of three= criteria for music in liturgy: liturgical, musical and pastoral. "God Ble= ss America" fails the liturgical criteria miserably; its suitability as a c= ongregational "hymn" is musically questionable, but being informed that the= congregation knows and will sing it, I'll let it pass; and having been exp= ressly requested, it passes the pastoral criteria. That looks to me like 1= ..5 out of 3. Another requirement of liturgical musicians is flexibility. = So, although this particular request requires not merely flexibility, but a= bit of contortion, I'll do it and hope they don't make a habit of it. Tha= t's all I meant; it wasn't intended to be snide. David Baker  
(back) Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Canadian Embassy's website crashes From: "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@prairieinet.net> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:46:10 -0600   Move on just that, move on. Which is what I'll do. But not wthout a rant that's been 4 years in the making. I been wanting to get on the rooftops and yell "AMEN" all week. This election couldn't have been more perfect. Republican Congress, President, and Daschle's gone and gay marriage referendums lost. I'm going to get a tax cut, and guess what, I'm rich. = I'm retiring in 16 months at the age of 50. I'm not relying on Social Security and I'm not depending on Medicare even though I'll still have to pay into that system to support it, oh well. But I was determined not to let in = creep into any lists. But thanks to Bud Clark, flames are throwing. I've = listened to these jabs thown at conservatives by posters for quite awhile, now it's my turn. So flame away!    
(back) Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Canadian Embassy's website crashes From: "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:00:30 -0500   There you have it. Unabashed self-satisfaction, a mega-dose of self-righteousness, an evident disregard for the plight of anyone but yourself, and shout "Amen" to clinch the deal. I rest my case. Chuck Peery St. Louis   On Nov 6, 2004, at 10:46 AM, Mark W. McClellan wrote:   > Move on just that, move on. Which is what I'll do. But not wthout a > rant > that's been 4 years in the making. I been wanting to get on the > rooftops > and yell "AMEN" all week. This election couldn't have been more > perfect. > Republican Congress, President, and Daschle's gone and gay marriage > referendums lost. I'm going to get a tax cut, and guess what, I'm > rich. I'm > retiring in 16 months at the age of 50. I'm not relying on Social > Security > and I'm not depending on Medicare even though I'll still have to pay > into > that system to support it, oh well. But I was determined not to let in > creep > into any lists. But thanks to Bud Clark, flames are throwing. I've > listened > to these jabs thown at conservatives by posters for quite awhile, now > it's > my turn. So flame away! > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >    
(back) Subject: Two Pipe Organ Design Articles From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:01:47 EST   Ladies and Gentlemen: For those of you who subscribe to, or have access to, The Diapason, = the November issue contains an article on our two instruments at Congregation Emanu-El in New York City. It goes into slightly more historical and = technical detail than the article in The American Organist, and also includes the = mixture compositions for both organs, which are unusual due to the acoustical environments of the rooms. The article appears on page 26. There is also an article on AIO and APOBA member Len Berghaus' new instrument at Saint Mary's RC Church in Port Washington, Wisconsin, on = page 28. Thanks to those list members who attended the demonstration recital at =   The Temple on September 30th during the AIO convention. Your presence was appreciated.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City http://www.glucknewyork.com/   ..  
(back) Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Canadian Embassy's website crashes From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 11:02:16 -0500   On 11/6/04 2:38 AM, "bnorth" <bnorth@intergate.ca> wrote:   > I just wonder if that would have happened, had the inspection been in = the > United States.   Actually, I suspect so. One doesn't like to look TOO much like a dunce, = if he can help it.   Alan (ex-military bandsman)    
(back) Subject: ALL READ NOW!!!!! Re: Off-Topic: Canadian Embassy's website crashes From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:06:41 -0600   This topic is being dropped IMMEDIATELY and I will remove anyone that disobeys. PERIOD, THE END.   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Pachelbel: Serenade? PLUS From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 11:34:33 -0500   on 11/6/04 9:37 AM, Charles Peery at cepeery@earthlink.net wrote:   > A recent bride has heard something off a CD ("Music For Your Perfect > Wedding, As Long As Daddy Will Pay for Full Orchestra Or You Play THIS > CD in Church") called "Serenade". She knows enough to know it's not > the Pachelbel Canon. I have searched my organ music and have nothing > like this, nor have I heard the title before. Anybody know what this > might be?     Could it be the Aria Sebaldina?     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu        
(back) Subject: re: Musical Fallout from Election From: "John Jarvis" <jljarvis@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:35:05 -0800   The last time I looked, the name of this group is PipeChat not Political Chat. I am sure there are other forums that are more appropriate for discussions related to the election and one's plans for moving. Happy Organ Playing! JJ      
(back) Subject: US copyright laws From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 09:48:40 -0800   They are indeed unique, Bob ... there was an extensive discussion about this awhile back ... I can't remember whether it was here or on Anglican-Music or piporg-l.   The specific cases of "God Bless America" and "Happy Birthday" (!) have been cited frequently.   As to European editions, I also remember trying to get SEVERAL things from Austria and Germany (Mozart and Haydn Masses, among other), only to be told that they were not available for export to the USA.   An example closer to home: most of Dr. Willan's copyrights have been returned to Mary Willan Mason and the Willan Trust; she in turn has re-assigned some of them to Gordon V. Thompson, Ltd. in Canada; but EVEN THOUGH Concordia (and others) have RETURNED the copyrights to her, the music is permanently out of print in the USA, and she's re-assigned them, Thompson cannot export certain items of the Willan catalog to the USA *until* the original (and subsequently extended) copyright period has expired.   Figure THAT one out!   Cheers,   Bud   bobelms wrote:   > Surekly that cannot be so Bud unless your copyirght laws are quite > unique. In this country copyright lasts for 70 years after the death of > the composer (was 50 but was recently increased I believe). Another > edition/revision may be published under copyright but this publication > can only last 25 years and CANNOT BE RENEWED. A fuirther > edition/revision may be made and will be subject to copyright for 25 > years but the original revision remains in the public comain,. I > understand that variations between diofferent countrues only really > affect the length of time that copyright exists on the music. Is the US > copyright law as different as all that? If so you need to buy old > editions from overseas where copyright has expired after the 25 years. > I think Scot may have a good point there. > Bob Elms. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 11:17 AM > Subject: Re: Veteran's Day > > >> the proceeds go to the Boy Scouts; the foundation keeps renewing it >> >> BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote: >> >>> are you sure it's still under copyright? doesn't copyright last >>> 37-1/2 years, renewable only once? if so, it should expire within >>> the last 12 months. or have the laws changed? >>> >>> scot > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: Re: God Bless America From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:57:20 -0500   I understand that those who preched tht Kerry would not receive communion = in thier churches are directing that God Bless America be sung during their Masses as sort of a Te Deum for Bush's reelection.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Baker" <dgb137@mac.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:44 AM Subject: God Bless America     Re: The following response to my inquiry: +++++++++++ That's an interesting post. I wasn't sure how to take David Baker's = message, if it is indeed from him. I've not met David, but if it's the same poster that I'm remembering, he lives in Boston, is an attorney an plays a Hook somewhere around there. From his posts, I glean that he is an = intellectual and a superlative human being and that this post is not characteristic of him. Or maybe I'm wrong. MWM +++++++++++   That is indeed the correct David Baker and I appreciate the compliment. = My comment about holding my nose was misunderstood, however. I agree that = "God Bless America" is a great song, and I get chills thinking about the times = I heard Kate Smith, I think it was, singing it (on recordings or film; = ancient as I am, I'm not THAT old). However, like Bud (I suspect), I take a conservative approach to music in the Roman Catholic liturgy, generally, = and great as it is, "God Bless America" just is not appropriate for a catholic mass, IMMHO, especially as a recessional, which is what has been = requested. The post-Vatican II liturgical documents require consideration of three criteria for music in liturgy: liturgical, musical and pastoral. "God = Bless America" fails the liturgical criteria miserably; its suitability as a congregational "hymn" is musically questionable, but being informed that = the congregation knows and will sing it, I'll let it pass; and having been expressly requested, it passes the pastoral criteria. That looks to me = like 1.5 out of 3. Another requirement of liturgical musicians is flexibility. So, although this particular request requires not merely flexibility, but = a bit of contortion, I'll do it and hope they don't make a habit of it. That's all I meant; it wasn't intended to be snide. David Baker   ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>       --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004