PipeChat Digest #4882 - Saturday, November 6, 2004 patriotic music in church by "Liquescent" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Mark W. McClellan by "noel jones" <email@example.com> other forums available for off-topic discussions by "Liquescent" <firstname.lastname@example.org> God Bless America by <RVScara@aol.com> new RC liturgical instructions by "Liquescent" <email@example.com> RE: Off-Topic: Canadian Embassy's website crashes by "Glenda" <firstname.lastname@example.org> mp3 file: Steve Best's Grand Processional by "Jonathan Orwig" <email@example.com> Re: Mark W. McClellan by "M Fox" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: US copyright laws by "bobelms" <email@example.com> Political Commentary by "Emily Adams" <firstname.lastname@example.org> A series of unfortunate events by "Glenda" <email@example.com> Re: US copyright laws by "Liquescent" <firstname.lastname@example.org> RE: Hammonds by "Michael David" <email@example.com> Emily Adams' commentary and VC TC by "Randolph Runyon" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
(back) Subject: patriotic music in church From: "Liquescent" <email@example.com> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:06:47 -0800 In general, I did it three times a year: the Sunday nearest Memorial Day (unless that Sunday was the Sunday in the Octave of Ascension, Pentecost, Trinity Sunday, or the Sunday in the Octave of Corpus Christi, as it often was, depending on the date of Easter), the Sunday nearest Independence Day, and the Sunday nearest Veterans' Day / Armistice Day / Remembrance Day. The American Episcopal Book of Common Prayer provides Propers for Independence Day; the various Anglican Missals provide Propers for Independe Day, as well as Memorial Day / Remembrance Day; the latter are Requiems, and cannot be celebrated on Sunday, but only on the days themselves, according to the old rules; however, the NEW Prayer Book provides for the transfer of the external solemnity of just about anything to a Sunday "for pastoral reasons." In addition, the new rules allow for Mass to be offered for the faithful departed WITHOUT using the Propers of the Requiem Mass ... a commemoration may be added to the Mass of the Day, a Votive Mass for the Armed Forces, a Votive Mass for Peace, etc. The Episcopal Hymnal 1940 contained a section called "National Days" ... I don't know how many of those hymns were retained in the new Episcopal Hymnal 1982; the American National Anthem was. Southern California is heavily military, both active duty and retired; my last parish had several communicants who were bonafide war heroes / POWs. One omitted those commemorations at one's peril (grin). I see nothing wrong with that, AS LONG AS it is CLEARLY understood that one is commending to God the souls of those who made the ultimate sacrifice, praying for the members of the Armed Forces, and/or commending the safety of the nation AS A WHOLE to the Almighty. Cheers, Bud
(back) Subject: Mark W. McClellan From: "noel jones" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:54:05 -0500 For those who have not had the opportunity to attend a recital by Mark, he's a fine organist...I understand he was very well received in the rectial he performed in italy recently. Let's hope he's retiring to play the organ more.... -- noel jones, aago email@example.com ----------------------------------- 1 877 249-5251 Athens, TN USA www.frogmusic.com Rodgers Organ Users Group Frog Music Press - Organ and MIDI Music FMP Organ Music Search Service Rodgers Organ Design & Voicing Services
(back) Subject: other forums available for off-topic discussions From: "Liquescent" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:27:28 -0800 Anglican-Music Off-Topic: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AngMusOffTop/?yguid=3D158612861 Anglican Orphans of the Storm (some restrictions apply; see intro): http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/AOOTS/?yguid=3D158612861 Organists Free Speech: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OrgFreeSpch/?yguid=3D158612861 The first two are NOT limited to Anglicans; they're simply spin-offs of "Big Anglican" and "Anglican-Music." The third is NOT limited to organists (grin). Cheers, Bud
(back) Subject: God Bless America From: <RVScara@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:55:40 EST One of the new "clarifications" for RC liturgical music at Mass, = effective lst Sunday of Advent, is that the Recessional Hymn is NOT a part of the liturgy (Mass). Therefore, there can be no music at all, there can be congregational or choir singing, or instrumental music, but there is no = definition of what kind of music as the documents have proscribed for all other parts = of the Mass. In the Diocese briefing all of us (priests, deacons, liturgists, musicians) had to attend, God Bless America was specifically mentioned = as appropriate for use as a recessional hymn for congregational singing on = patriotic or other special occasions....and this was before Election Day. Another clarification is that the Communion Hymn will be "a processional type hymn" and not a "Benediction" (Eucharist) type hymn. Marian hymns = are forbidden at Communion time and are to be used otherwise in a Mass only = on feasts of Mary. An appropriate time would be the recessional or possibly as a meditaiton hymn after Communion. Wedding music is supposed to be congregational singing if at a Mass. Soloist friends of the family are supposed to be limited to one solo in = the Mass to avoid the appearance they are giving a recital. A Parish Cantor should be = used for other singing the same as at a regular parish liturgy. The = "friend of the family" may also sing something before the service. There is more but the bright cloud called "Pastoral Concerns" is a = qualifier that can be invoked judiciously. It shall be interesting. Bob Scara St Paul's RC Burlington, NJ
(back) Subject: new RC liturgical instructions From: "Liquescent" <email@example.com> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 13:35:17 -0800 RVScara@aol.com wrote: > Marian hymns > are forbidden at Communion time and are to be used otherwise in a Mass > only on feasts of Mary. An appropriate time would be the recessional or = > possibly as a meditaiton hymn after Communion. > > Bob Scara > St Paul's RC > Burlington, NJ I find that interesting (and sad) ... I can agree with not singing Marian hymns during Communion, but not the other. I wonder how much of that came from ROME and how much of it came from the National Conference of American RC bishops, since the pope is reportedly on the verge of declaring Mary "Co-Redemptrix," a long-time cause of the Dominicans and other Orders (Cistercians, Franciscans) devoted to the BVM. The FIRST Vatican Council in the 1800s BARELY defeated a proposal to declare Mary co-present in the Eucharist, the reasoning being that Christ was flesh of her flesh and blood of her blood. Cardinal Newman of England, one of the early leaders of the Oxford Movement in the Anglican Church (who later converted to Rome) was among the proponents, if I recall correctly. The Sung or Solemn Mass in "high" Anglican churches on Sundays still typically end with the ringing and reciting of the Angelus, and often the singing of a Marian hymn, year-round ... many places sing or recite the seasonal Final Antiphons of the BVM from Compline. I'm REALLY curious to see how all this will play out, as "Authenticam Liturgiam" reverses and/or rebukes so many OTHER "innovations" that have sprung up since Vatican II. I can't IMAGINE Eastertide WITHOUT "Be Joyful, Mary, Heavenly Queen," or "One In Joyful Songs of Praise." Cheers, Bud
(back) Subject: RE: Off-Topic: Canadian Embassy's website crashes From: "Glenda" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:11:25 -0600 Yes, very interesting. If you decide to emigrate, take me with you. I want to go somewhere where the organs are fab, and you build the best. Glenda Sutton email@example.com -----Original Message----- From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of C. Joseph Nichols Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 9:03 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Canadian Embassy's website crashes Interesting link. My only political comment is---hmmm. http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm
(back) Subject: mp3 file: Steve Best's Grand Processional From: "Jonathan Orwig" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:34:28 -0800 Hello, fellow organophiles Here is Steve Best's Grand Processional in F, #2 of Three Festive Pieces http://evensongmusic.net/audio/grand.mp3 Shared with permission of the composer -Jonathan Orwig
(back) Subject: Re: Mark W. McClellan From: "M Fox" <email@example.com> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:05:40 -0800 ----- Original Message ----- From: "noel jones" <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: "PipeChat" <email@example.com> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 9:54 AM Subject: Mark W. McClellan > For those who have not had the opportunity to attend a recital by Mark, > he's a fine organist...I understand he was very well received in the > rectial he performed in italy recently. > Thanks for the heads-up. I'll watch for a recital in my neighborhood. = Can't wait to hear that smugness ringing out. MAF
(back) Subject: Re: US copyright laws From: "bobelms" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:30:59 +0800 Thank you for the explanation, Bud. I read the one about "Happy Birthday" some time ago. My reaction was "ridiculous". Various versions of that song = must be the most played and sung song in Australia where copyright = obviously expired a very long time ago. "God bless America" relevant to most of us = and I don't think I have ever heard it sung here except on recordings or TV programmes from the USA. My own policy as far as myChurch Choir is concerned is to look at the composer's name. If he's been dead for 50 (or now 70, I believe here) = years I look at the copyright date of that edition. If is is pre 1979, then I = can photocopy. Most music by the composers of more than 75 years ago is out of = print in old editions anyway. Copyright cannot be reinmposed on the = expired edition here. If I am making my own arrangement of public domain music, which I do at times, I mark it as copyright by me. It could save argument. Bob Elms. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liquescent" <email@example.com> To: "PipeChat" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 1:48 AM Subject: US copyright laws > They are indeed unique, Bob ... there was an extensive discussion about > this awhile back ... I can't remember whether it was here or on > Anglican-Music or piporg-l. > > The specific cases of "God Bless America" and "Happy Birthday" (!) have > been cited frequently. > >
(back) Subject: Political Commentary From: "Emily Adams" <email@example.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:54:26 -0500 Would all you people please just give it a rest? And if you don't have the = common courtesy to do so, would the moderators kindly step in? I have views about the US election just like everyone else, but it's no = more appropriate to blather on about them in this forum than it is to start screaming SHUT THE FUCK UP when you think the sermon goes on too long in church. I fervently wish you would, though.
(back) Subject: A series of unfortunate events From: "Glenda" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:24:56 -0600 A series of unfortunate events I'm sorry if Lemony Snicket has used the title for his series; it didn't belong to him first. My story has a happy ending. Where to begin? What a time of cataclysm. Let's see. I was summoned to my boss' office in Pensacola for an unpleasant interview, after which I began an earnest job search. I didn't need for God to speak from the clouds - I only act stupid when it helps my cause. I told God that if I was to leave (and I am certainly more than willing) he had to open the door for me to walk out; I refused to jump out of the window. A friend forwarded my resume to some prospects in Tallahassee, and I sent a few more out. So I have been quietly and discreetly and diligently doing my job while hunting, and eschewing unpalatable lunches with wretched political discussions in favor of organ practice as much as possible. I was subbing still for the Methodists, and was asked to participate in a Pedals, Pipes and Pizza event. More on this later. Last Sunday I caught the end of the Methodist minister's sermon wherein he was telling everyone how Christians should vote. I stayed for my friend Leon's postlude, and whisked him away for lunch. Then he took me to a tiny Presbyterian Church in a village called Laurel Hill. The congregation was established in 1896. The church boasted a tiny Moller that my friend had bought and had installed. After our short tour we traveled through lovely fall countryside to the town of Florala for a PP&P planning meeting. I had been enmeshed in two weeks of misery at work, with the coordinator from hell and the other one nursing a husband dying of cancer. Work was extremely arduous, and I looked forward to evenings and lunch hours practicing the organ at St. A's, where I had been given a key and encouraged to come anytime. In fact, I was the only one who ever practiced on the organ. However, for several days after work I could barely hold my head up from fatigue and headache. Then the musician at my former church, where I had been asked to do a recital next February, began a process of calling and harassing me. She called home and awakened Rick one or more times per day with complaints. One Sunday night she called me late and proceeded to tell me that someone was changing the registrations and stealing her paper clips and breath mints. I told her that the one set of combination pistons for congregational singing had not been changed since I left there two years previously, that I was the only other one playing the instrument to my knowledge, and that I had no use for her paper clips and breath mints. At this point I discovered that she did not even know how to set the pistons or to register the organ. Then she called again a few days later and again awakened Rick, telling him to tell me not to change any registrations unless I changed them back, something I always do. This is the same woman who played the entire funeral two weeks ago on one registration, with no variation in stops or volume throughout the service. This is also the same woman who kept the recital guild constantly in turmoil when I first revived the recital series at the church several years ago. I took all this fairly well, until Rick called me in the middle of work one day this week to groggily report she had called and sounded very angry. At that point, I made a trek to the priest's home and had a long discussion with him and his wife. I summarized the events and pointed out to him that inasmuch as he begged me to do the recital and I was doing it gratis, I did not deserve to have to deal with this constant harassment. I also posited that I felt the woman needed some assurance that I was not after my old job back. They both informed me that this was not an isolated incident, and he agreed to talk to her. Meanwhile, so much was going on that I had no more opportunity to practice at St. A's. I was still spending lunch hours at my friend's church where I subbed. The election itself was personally disappointing, and Rick's future was again in limbo. But I'd grown used to that state of anxiety by now. I was sad that we weren't going to get the tax cut to buy more medicine to make it to whenever Rick's retirement occurs, probably sooner than later. What really hurt was when I made an appointment and went in to get my hair trimmed Friday. My stylist and friend of about 25 years put in effusively about how wonderful all the elections turned out. I said nothing while he waxed on and on about the blow cast for morality. Finally he shut up and faced me, hair dripping and partially cut. "Glenda, you're not saying anything." He looked at me in sudden horror. "You weren't for Kerry, were you?" I was stung by his tone. I had turned the other cheek all through the election, and had listened to all manner of ill-mannered argument about politics without responding in kind. I told him I was. He looked at me as though I was demon-possessed. "You can understand why I thought you were for Bush, can't you?" I had been praying for him to cease and desist, and had to amend the prayer quickly to temper my tongue. My response was, "Being a Christian and being a Democrat are not mutually exclusive activities." That did the trick. Thankfully he quickly finished and I was free to go. I went to a reception that evening for one of the new magistrates, where I got to see the preening of all the new judicial appointees who had bought and paid for their new positions. Afterward the friend who accompanied me offered me a position in private practice and offered to help me with a Tallahassee job if I so desired (if nothing else, FSU owns a circus now). We ended up back at his house, where he and his wife served up some authentic smooth Irish whiskey and scintillating conversation. I didn't make it home and to bed until well after 11:00. The electrical power was interrupted at 4:00 the next morning, and I had to be up and out early for the Pedals, Pipes and Pizza event. So I carefully tried to avoid looking like a leftover Halloween freak without the aid of lights or a blow dryer. The program was carefully planned and orchestrated by several area organists, and Leon and I agreed to help them by doing the playing. We had 22 pre-registered, and probably a little over 30 at the event. About half were adults, we had about 5-6 teen/pre-teens, and the rest were kids. We were to do a morning session at the Baptist church, and the afternoon at the Presbyterian church. The organizers started out with snacks, introductions and about 30 selected minutes from "Pulling Out All the Stops". Then we went upstairs while Leon accompanied Ann as they did the "Rex, King of Instruments" piece (the young girls stared adoringly at Leon). The next thing I knew the microphone was shoved into my hand, and I was drafted to take the lead on explaining all about the organ. I'm a child welfare attorney, and because I must be careful not to make myself a witness, I generally have little personal contact with the children. Suddenly I was trying to present the organ to them. Yikes! I had read all the material and suggestions, but didn't know I would be leading the charge. I just took a deep breath and waded in. We pointed out the differences between the piano and organ, showed them the various families of pipes with a representative pipe from each, and explained all the buttons and whistles. When I asked for volunteers, we had a flood. So we spent time allowing them to play pieces and examine the sounds of the organ. One boy came up to me and emphatically informed me not to ask him to play. He was a stunner - if I had been 8 years old, I would have swooned. Others were clamoring for a chance at the organ, and we finally had to break for lunch. Leon and I did the 4-hand version of "Arrival of the Queen of Sheba" for them before pizza. During lunch I met the current dean of the Dothan AGO chapter, who drives every week from Dothan to Panama City (about 2 hours one-way) to play for a church. Another member was a young man studying chemistry at Auburn University, who has single-handedly forced them to revive an organ department for him to minor. The previous professor had retired. So I felt heartened that individuals were making a difference. After lunch we had a little more time at the console, before walking across the street to the Presbyterian church, where the organ is an unfinished project by a member/organbuilder who works on it around all his other duties in the Southeast. I did the Bach Toccata in d minor (I didn't proceed with the Fugue because I didn't want them to fall asleep). Then we demonstrated the pedals with Virgil Fox' "Star Spangled Banner". Oliver Finch took them two and three at a time through the tiny chambers, while children again clamored to play the instrument. Then the adults tried it, with several volunteers. I finished it off with "The Stars and Stripes Forever". We took them back to the Baptist church to watch five more minutes of film and complete the day, but the kids weren't finished. Leon and I filed back upstairs for them to play some more. I did not make it home until 3:45. But we agreed the program, our first attempt, was nothing short of a success. The little heartthrob boy ended up exploring the console until dragged away by his sister. He ran up and threw his arms around me. I was in love. No, I have no desire to be eight again, but wished I had experienced a Pedals, Pipes and Pizza event at that age. He now loves his church organ. Leon and I had both suggested several times that our own Pensacola chapter sponsor such an event, but could never garner support for it in a large town where there were more resources and students. But someone in this tiny town with two little nondescript organs succeeded. Gotta go - I'm exhausted, and I haven't prepared for my piano gig at 8:30 in the morning. Where is my "25 Versions of 'Sweet Hour of Prayer'"? Glenda Sutton email@example.com (and if you think I'm serving that up in the morning, I guess you don't know me)
(back) Subject: Re: US copyright laws From: "Liquescent" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:37:11 -0800 I got involved in all of this because Southwestern Baptist Seminary in Ft. Worth, TX has extensive choral music holdings, and I specifically wanted (1) copies from them, and (2) permission from the original publishers to reprint them. As I recall (this was a couple of years ago), anything coprighted before 1924 (?) was in the public domain IF the copyright hadn't been renewed, and IF it wasn't an ARRANGEMENT of something, and someone ELSE didn't own the copyright of the original version. It didn't matter if it was permanently out of print; if it was still under copyright, I still had to pay royalties to the original publisher for each and every photocopy made. I don't recall now ... I left all the correspondence at St. Matthew's for my successor when I retired, in case anyone challenged the photocopies in the choir library ... but I THINK I also had to pay for MULTIPLE copies of even the public domain stuff, but I'm not sure about that. All in all, being scrupulously honest about the whole business was a HUGE pain in the posterior, and involved keeping logs, multiple payments, a lot of correspondence (EACH piece had to be checked; in some cases different people held the copyrights of the text and the music) etc. etc. etc. Publishers in the UK (particularly OUP) get around the shorter copyright period by bringing out a "new, improved edition, taken from a newly-discovered manuscript in the Bodleian" and taking the old edition out of print. That's PARTICULARLY annoying in the case of Byrd, Tallis, Taverner, etc. when choirs have used the standard edition for generations. I USED to be sympathetic to the publishers UNTIL the advent of music desktop publishing ... copper-plate engraving WAS expensive. When ProScan Professional and similar scanning programs are perfected to the point that they can put printed music (and text, the main problem with current versions) directly into Finale or Sibelius so that the music can be edited, transposed, orchestra parts extracted, etc., I expect the whole thing to come crashing down like a house of cards. We're seeing something similar in the area of file-sharing of mp3 audio files and videos online. The companies are taking a hard line, but they simply CANNOT sue everyone who owns a computer; and hackers crack encoding as fast as they invent it (chuckle). Evidently their latest tack is threatening to take the ISPs to court who allow such file-sharing. As I mentioned earlier, some publishers (notably St. James Music Press and Pepper Music in the USA) are acknowledging the situation ... St. James sells single copies of anthem books, etc. for around $50, which includes permission to copy; Pepper has a selection of their own publications online; with a credit card and for a fee, one can buy the pieces online, download them, and print them. The only problem I had with that is that octavo-size paper is not a standard cut (at least in the USA); one has to special-order it, and there's a fair amount of waste. 8 1/2 x 11 inches or 8 1/2 x 14 inches (the two standard paper sizes in the USA) folded in landscape (horizontal) layout to make a booklet aren't TALL enough; 8 1/2 x 11 inches in portrait (vertical) layout is rather unwieldly, and requires stiff covers to keep the pages from flopping about. I adopted 8 1/2 x 11 inches in portrait, with stiff cover stock covers and plastic comb binding for anthems, and wire spiral binding for choirbooks that were used more often. The church owned a comb binding machine; I had to have the wire binding done at a copy shop. The advantage to THAT was being able to make the print larger for middle-aged singers (grin). I never did a cost comparison because the music wasn't otherwise available, but I imagine it worked out to near the cost of new copies by the time one copied it, bought cover stock, printed the covers, and bound the copies, all of which was terribly labour-intensive. Cheers, Bud
(back) Subject: RE: Hammonds From: "Michael David" <email@example.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:06:32 -0600 Second prize. Right behind a local sub who pumps the organ as she plays. Crescendo pedal and swell pedal. Alternating, of course. Michael -----Original Message----- From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com]On Behalf Of Alan Freed Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 3:39 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Hammonds On 11/1/04 7:00 PM, "John L. Speller" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > He found that the organist, who had never played anything but a Hammond > before, was trying to use the drawknobs like drawbars, pulling them partway > out to get softer combinations. Anecdote surely nominated for SOME kind of prize in the stupid department.
(back) Subject: Emily Adams' commentary and VC TC From: "Randolph Runyon" <email@example.com> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:06:19 -0500 on 11/6/04 6:54 PM, Emily Adams at firstname.lastname@example.org wrote: > Would all you people please just give it a rest? And if you don't have = the > common courtesy to do so, would the moderators kindly step in? > > I have views about the US election just like everyone else, but it's no = more > appropriate to blather on about them in this forum than it is to start > screaming SHUT THE FUCK UP when you think the sermon goes on too long in > church. > > I fervently wish you would, though. > > Too bad you didn't see the list administrator's posting, which appeared nearly seven hours before yours above, and after which the political off-topicality pretty much died down. At least we didn't resort to obscenity, as you have. Frankly, I'm shocked and amazed! Topicality: I played three weddings in the past 24 hours, on three different organs, only one of which was my own. The other two were electronic, one worse than the other. The worse one has no nameplate, but = I think it's an old Rogers, sold to the unsuspecting church, I suspect, as something newer than it was. Besides the things that didn't work--the = swell to great coupler, the swell to pedal coupler, the reeds in the pedal--it = has a voix celeste TC, only going down to C below middle C. Is this stupid or what? Is that really saving any nickels? Or just an affectation? Beats me. Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio email@example.com