PipeChat Digest #4888 - Tuesday, November 9, 2004
 
Re: John Curwen's notation  system in _Scottish Psalter_ 1929
  by "Malcolm Wechsler \(Mander Organs\)" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Pipechat IRC tonight!
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
RE: John Curwen's notation  system in _Scottish Psalter_ 1929
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
Re: US copyright laws
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
RE: Glenda's statement
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Glenda's statement
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: John Curwen's notation  system in _Scottish Psalter_ 1929
  by "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
RE: Glenda's statement
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: John Curwen's notation system in _Scottish Psalter_ 1929 From: "Malcolm Wechsler \(Mander Organs\)" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:23:25 -0500   Also, Karl, from my experience, the hand signals are helpful to students = who have trouble matching pitches. The hand signals, as a physical expression = of direction and distance somehow seem to be useful.   I recall some years ago hearing a remarkable performance of a school choir =   from somewhere on Long Island. I want to say Farmingdale, but it is a long =   time ago, and I am not at all sure. It was a school choir, and again, I = want to say St. Killian's, but I would not trust that either. They were taught = to interpret the hand signals - certain groups reading the signs at the pitch =   given, others reading a third higher, and others, I think, a sixth below, all of which was variable. The conductor was able to have the choir improvise the most remarkable music using her hands, rather like a human Theremin (sorry Charlie).   Cheers,   Malcolm   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> To: "pipechat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:07 PM Subject: Re: John Curwen's notation system in _Scottish Psalter_ 1929     > John Curwen's hand-signals are used heavily in certain areas of music > education in the United States, often so closely related to the > implications > of Zoltan Kodaly ideas brought into music education as to be incorrectly > called "Kodaly hand signals." Millersville University, from whence I am > retired, prepares all of her music education majors with great skill = with > these hand-signals, and our graduates' youngsters in public schools grow =   > up > using them. > > They are really a parallel usage to shape-note notation. In one case, = the > note-heads are in different physical appearances; in the other, then > conductor's or singer's HAND is in different physical appearances. > Curwen's > hand signals are of great value to teaching music literacy to = youngsters, > as > well as in undergraduate solfeggio courses based on moveable do. > > Karl E. Moyer > Lancaster PA >      
(back) Subject: Pipechat IRC tonight! From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:52:49 -0500   We shall be gathering in the Pipechat IRC room again this evening. all = Pipe Chatters are invited to join in the sometimes lively banter that goes on Monday and Friday evenings beginning at 9.00 pm Eastern Time.   For assistance on how to join us go to the Pipechat Web page for detailed = help.   www.pipechat.org   See you there,   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: RE: John Curwen's notation system in _Scottish Psalter_ 1929 From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:13:32 -0000   When I had my first organist/choirmaster job in 1956 I found a whole = pile of tonic-solfa hymnbooks in a cupboard. I think only about two of the men = in the choir still used that system to read from, but I've not seen it = since then. My feeling is that it was in decline then, and has almost died out = in the UK as far as choir singing is concerned. Ros has a friend who was Director of a College of Performing Arts here in Coventry. He was a = great advocate of the Curwen system as a method of teaching children singing- = but I think only as a stepping stone to reading conventional music.   Will Light Coventry UK   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of = Karl Moyer Sent: 08 November 2004 16:24 To: Anglican-music; Hymns; hymndiscussion; pipechat; organchat Subject: John Curwen's notation system in _Scottish Psalter_ 1929   One of the blessings of the modern age is to be able to ask questions to nice folks literally around the world and to learn from them. Let me try = to do that once again:   This coming Sunday I shall teach a Sunday School class to adults on = metrical psalmody. In the process I wish to show my copy of _Scottish Psalter = and Church Hymnary_, Revised Edition, 1929. (Oxford U. Press). My copy uses John Curwen's notation system of letters with rhythmic indications = printed in straight lines left-to-right across the page for sopranos, altos, = tenors, and basses, as opposed to note heads with note stems on five-line = musical staves or of neums on four-line staves as in plainsong.   My question: to what extent did this ever really catch on in the = English- speaking world? Can anyone detail the approximate years during which it = was common at any given place? Or is it still common anywhere?   It has a curious parallel, of course, to four-shape notation (and to a lesser degree also seven-shape notation) in the United States.   I'd be grateful to learn from anyone who can discuss Curwen's system = with me, particularly if you have been in situations where it was in fairly common practice. Many thanks.   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA     ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>    
(back) Subject: Re: US copyright laws From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:05:21 -0500     On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 06:10:08 -0600 Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> writes:   > and I would simply note that more recently (about a year ago, IIRC), > the > music publishing arm, was separated from Time Warner, into Warner > Music.         THANK YOU!     Jim  
(back) Subject: RE: Glenda's statement From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:03:02 -0600   Maybe depression, maybe homicidal, but suicidal? I'm not giving the world that easy an out.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com (who has already been run over by a car once, so if you don't like my posts, maybe you need to send a train)        
(back) Subject: Re: Glenda's statement From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 22:08:55 EST   In a message dated 11/8/04 7:06:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, gksjd85@direcway.com writes:   > Maybe depression, maybe homicidal, but suicidal? I'm not giving the > world that easy an out.   that's the glenda we all know & love.  
(back) Subject: Re: John Curwen's notation system in _Scottish Psalter_ 1929 From: "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:04:01 -0000   Likewise, Will.   I have 'discovered' great mountains of the Kodaly method books in = cupboards in various schools (usually Girls' High Schools ..... and don't ask !)   Whereas my (venerable) mother writes down all the tunes which flit through =   her head using the Tonic Sol-fa - a legacy of her Chapel upbringing.   Mostly these methods were stepping stones towards 'conventional' notation ....... although it was not mandatory to complete the course - the journey =   was sufficient in itself..   Harry Grove [a.k.a. a musicman used to delving into cupboards where Eve has spun] ___________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 9:13 PM Subject: RE: John Curwen's notation system in _Scottish Psalter_ 1929     >When I had my first organist/choirmaster job in 1956 I found a whole pile =   >of >tonic-solfa hymnbooks in a cupboard.    
(back) Subject: RE: Glenda's statement From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:41:14 -0000   Oooh Glenda! Don't say that! We have just had a horrible accident here in the UK. A train hit a car on a crossing at 120mph and became derailed. = Nine people (amazingly few when you look at the wreckage) were killed including the car driver and the train driver. Investigations are proceeding but it looks as if the car driver chose that method to commit suicide- and took 8 other innocent people with him.   Will Light Coventry UK   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Glenda Sent: 09 November 2004 03:03 To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: Glenda's statement   Maybe depression, maybe homicidal, but suicidal? I'm not giving the world that easy an out.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com (who has already been run over by a car once, so if you don't like my posts, maybe you need to send a train)         ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>