PipeChat Digest #4904 - Sunday, November 14, 2004
 
RE: Actions and pipe speech onset
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Actions and pipe speech onset From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 09:44:24 -0000   Hear hear!   Will Light Coventry UK   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of bobelms Sent: 14 November 2004 00:30 To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Actions and pipe speech onset   Wicks were not the only firm that used that device. Paul Hufner of = Western=20 Australia provided an expansion chamber under each pipe foot on his=20 extension organs to rid them of that abrupt attack and release you get=20 sometimes with electric action. It seems to work very well. In all this argument pro and con the advantages of tracker action let me = say   this. There may be touch sensitive tracker organs where the speed of = opening   of the pallet can be controlled by the finger but three things cross my=20 mind: 1. Is this effect detectable in the huge churches where the Schnitgers = and=20 such are installed and there is a long reverb period? Not to the = listener I   would think though it may be evident to the player if the touch is light =   enough. 2. My Dutch friends tell me that the tracker organs of the 17th and 18C = in=20 Holland are so heavy that no variation of speed of opening the pallet is =   possible. They are therefore not touch sensitive, though there may be=20 exceptions to this. 3. Ross mentioned Forster and Andrews as an example of trackers which = are=20 too heavy to be touch sensitive. Let me add Wm Hill to this. There is a = Hill   (1893) in a church here and I have tried to vary the speed of opening = the=20 pallet and it is not possible. You press hard and then the key goes down =   suddenly. There is no advantage over the Hufner organ round the corner = with=20 electric action; in fact the Hufner is far easier to play and = considerably=20 less fatiguing.   An organ is an organ is an organ, and if the instrument is well voiced I =   fail to see that tracker action has much advantage though it may help = the=20 player IF it is a well regulated action and light enough for the player = to=20 vary the attack. But this is rather rare I would say. Bob Elms. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 7:59 AM Subject: Re: Actions and pipe speech onset snip> > ANY electrical circuit is either open, or closed. > > That's why Wicks added whatchamacallits to their direct electric (TM)=20 > actions between the pipes and the pallet valves ... to cushion the = sudden=20 > blow of the pallet opening wide. > > Far too many organ mechanics have learned (to their sorrow) that you = CAN'T   > just pick up pipes and move them from one kind of action to another, = or=20 > change the action of an existing pitman windchest, for instance. Pipes =   > that are voiced to play on one kind of action are NOT going to behave=20 > themselves on another. > >snip I will grant that there are a handful of rooms where the = disposition=20 >of the organ may "require" electric action; more often, the church = isn't=20 >willing to make the correction of that problem a priority ... "my=20 >great-aunt Minnie GAVE that window of the Transmutation of St. Fidgeta, = and   >you're not gonna move it or cover it up with no damn ORGAN!" > >> So does this mean, Sebastian that you would agree with Ross that my=20 >> proposed >> test would be invalid because pipes need to be specially voiced in = order=20 >> to >> make them expressively played via tracker action and moving the same=20 >> pallets >> with a magnet or an electro-pneumatic action pulling the same tracker =   >> would >> somehow cause the same pipes to behave differently? >> My feeling is that this idea of "controlling the beauty of the speech = of=20 >> the >> pipes by altering the manual touch" is what is "smoke and mirrors" = and I=20 >> am >> yet to be convinced that it makes any audible result. >> >> >> Will Light >> Coventry UK >>     ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>