PipeChat Digest #4912 - Friday, November 19, 2004
 
Terra Patris
  by "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com>
Re: Terra Patris
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net>
RE: Terra Patris
  by "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net>
DMP Page Turner
  by "Shawn M. Gingrich" <shawn.gingrich@firstumchershey.org>
Re: DMP Page Turner
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: DMP Page Turner<5C0EA913ADD6D543826169507C40EB69064429@fumcdc    01.f
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Correct pronunciation needed
  by "Joe Elliffe" <jelli@tampabay.rr.com>
Re: Correct pronunciation needed
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Correct pronunciation needed
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Correct pronunciation needed
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: Correct pronunciation needed
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
RE: Terra Patris
  by "wesley" <wcool@bellsouth.net>
RE: Terra Patris
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Correct pronunciation needed
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Correct pronunciation needed
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Correct pronunciation needed
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Re: Correct pronunciation needed
  by <giwro@adelphia.net>
RE: Correct pronunciation needed
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Correct pronunciation needed
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
 

(back) Subject: Terra Patris From: "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:44:27 -0500   Hi Chatters,   I'm looking for a fairly short/simple setting of this familiar tune ("This =   is My Father's World") suitable for prelude or postlude. Recommendations, anyone? Thanks.   Emily a.    
(back) Subject: Re: Terra Patris From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:39:00 -0800   .....you might go to http://www.evensongmusic.net/orwigorgan.html   The tune is also kown as Terra Beata - you can listen to a sample of the arrangement there   Cheers,   Jonathan   Emily Adams wrote:   > Hi Chatters, > > I'm looking for a fairly short/simple setting of this familiar tune > ("This is My Father's World") suitable for prelude or postlude. > Recommendations, anyone? Thanks. > > Emily a. > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >    
(back) Subject: RE: Terra Patris From: "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:50:52 -0600   There's a setting of Terra beata by Austin Lovelace in "83 Musical Gifts - Part 3" published by Darcey Press http://www.darceypress.com/   I've not had occasion to look at that piece as my church doesn't use that tune but these are wonderful collections.   Michael       Emily Adams wrote:   > Hi Chatters, > > I'm looking for a fairly short/simple setting of this familiar tune > ("This is My Father's World") suitable for prelude or postlude. > Recommendations, anyone? Thanks. > > Emily a. >      
(back) Subject: DMP Page Turner From: "Shawn M. Gingrich" <shawn.gingrich@firstumchershey.org> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:24:31 -0500   Has anyone had experience with the DMP Page Turning Device advertised in the Nov 2004 Organ Guild Journal?   The web site is http://www.dmpgallery.com/DMPGallery_files/page0035.htm   Any first-hand knowledge of how well this works would be appreciated.   -------|\----- Shawn M. Gingrich, Director of Music Ministry -------|/----- First United Methodist Church ------/|------ Hershey, PA 17033 -----|-(-)---- 717-533-9668 ext. 108 ------\|/----- shawn.gingrich@firstumchershey.org o/ http://fumc-hershey.org      
(back) Subject: Re: DMP Page Turner From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:55:51 -0600   I see 2 problems - 1) it is controlled by foot pedal - our feet are already playing enough pedals, thank you 2) it says the foot pedal is wireless and can be operated by someone up to 30 feet away. How is someone 30 feet away going to know when to turn the page? If a second person is going to be controlling when my pages turn, why not just let them reach up and turn my pages?   Might be handy for piano - maybe even moreso for string or wind instruments that literally need two hands to play a single note.   But what about that human element - the live page-turner who can grab the music if it starts to fall, can catch the errant pages when the air conditioner kicks in and starts turning them - what happens with oversize scores or that tissue-like paper some European publishers use that tears if you don't turn carefully....   Sounds like the gift for the person who loves gadgets.   Margo   Shawn M. Gingrich wrote: > Has anyone had experience with the DMP Page Turning Device advertised in > the Nov 2004 Organ Guild Journal? > > The web site is http://www.dmpgallery.com/DMPGallery_files/page0035.htm > > Any first-hand knowledge of how well this works would be appreciated. > > -------|\----- Shawn M. Gingrich, Director of Music Ministry > -------|/----- First United Methodist Church > ------/|------ Hershey, PA 17033 > -----|-(-)---- 717-533-9668 ext. 108 > ------\|/----- shawn.gingrich@firstumchershey.org > o/ http://fumc-hershey.org > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >     -- Dr. Margo Dillard Organist, FUMC, Lewisville, TX Musical Feast Choral Society Dillard Piano & Organ Studio    
(back) Subject: Re: DMP Page Turner<5C0EA913ADD6D543826169507C40EB69064429@fumcdc 01.firstumchershey.lcl> From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 05:12:57 +0800   Problem number three...   Turning pages back ... do all your repeats, D.C.s and D.S.s not require tur= ning pages back? How many (normal) page turns to get to the coda? If you must have a "gadget" to do this, why not Freehand Systems' Music Pad= Pro? Also foot powered, but allows forward and backward page turns; also i= ncorporates a touch screen so that tapping the "page" will turn it for you.   Since it is basically a tablet PC, it'll accept scans, Sibelius (Scorch), F= inale or pretty much anyone else's format. You can also make notations (in = color) if you wish ... just like writing on paper with pencil.   So what? For ~$1000 you can have your music book in electronic form. I thin= k this would only be effective for the "lounge lizzard" who would otherwize= need to tote around 50 pounds of paper. (I tote around 49.9 pounds of hymn= als, songbooks and sheet music, so I don't qualify yet.) Indexing by file n= ame might be handy here, and a lighter package.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Re: DMP Page Turner<5C0EA913ADD6D543826169507C40EB69064429@fumcdc0= 1.firstumchershey.lcl> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:55:51 -0600   >=20 > I see 2 problems - > 1) it is controlled by foot pedal - our feet are already playing enough= =20 > pedals, thank you > 2) it says the foot pedal is wireless and can be operated by someone up= =20 > to 30 feet away. How is someone 30 feet away going to know when to turn= =20 > the page? If a second person is going to be controlling when my pages=20 > turn, why not just let them reach up and turn my pages? >=20 > Might be handy for piano - maybe even moreso for string or wind=20 > instruments that literally need two hands to play a single note. >=20 > But what about that human element - the live page-turner who can grab=20 > the music if it starts to fall, can catch the errant pages when the air= =20 > conditioner kicks in and starts turning them - what happens with=20 > oversize scores or that tissue-like paper some European publishers use=20 > that tears if you don't turn carefully.... >=20 > Sounds like the gift for the person who loves gadgets. >=20 > Margo >=20 > Shawn M. Gingrich wrote: > > Has anyone had experience with the DMP Page Turning Device advertised in > > the Nov 2004 Organ Guild Journal? > >=20 > > The web site is http://www.dmpgallery.com/DMPGallery_files/page0035.htm > >=20 > > Any first-hand knowledge of how well this works would be appreciated. > >=20 > > -------|\----- Shawn M. Gingrich, Director of Music Ministry > > -------|/----- First United Methodist Church > > ------/|------ Hershey, PA 17033 > > -----|-(-)---- 717-533-9668 ext. 108 > > ------\|/----- shawn.gingrich@firstumchershey.org > > o/ http://fumc-hershey.org > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ****************************************************************** > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Dr. Margo Dillard > Organist, FUMC, Lewisville, TX > Musical Feast Choral Society > Dillard Piano & Organ Studio >=20 >=20 > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >=20 >=20       -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: Correct pronunciation needed From: "Joe Elliffe" <jelli@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:22:24 -0500   I would appreciate it if someone on the list could provide the=20   pronunciation for the word MARANATHA- Is it Mar-a-na- tha =20   or Marana-tha Thanks in advance
(back) Subject: Re: Correct pronunciation needed From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:13:56 EST   In a message dated 11/18/2004 4:23:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, jelli@tampabay.rr.com writes:   > MARANATHA- Is it Mar-a-na- tha > > or Marana-tha >   i vote for the former but then i make em sing Ho ZAHN a and Ha lay loo = jah.   dale in florida  
(back) Subject: Re: Correct pronunciation needed From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:56:44 -0500   On 11/18/04 5:13 PM, "Keys4bach@aol.com" <Keys4bach@aol.com> wrote:   > jah.   Seriously?   Alan  
(back) Subject: Re: Correct pronunciation needed From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:57:36 EST   Dale,   When I was a choirmaster in the South, I started asking for = "Ah-leh-loo-ya" in order to avoid the possible colloquial "Awl-lay-ee-LOO-ya". I find now = that I'm back in my "native Commonwealth" that this works quite nicely in = Boston, too. I am referring, of course, only to a pronounciation I would expect in =   Latin Motets.   Pax, Bill H. SJE, Boston            
(back) Subject: Re: Correct pronunciation needed From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:45:34 EST   yah not jah, sorry!  
(back) Subject: RE: Terra Patris From: "wesley" <wcool@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:55:08 -0500   Anyone know where I can get an arrangement of "Rule Britannia" for organ? thanks   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Michael David Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:51 PM To: PipeChat Subject: RE: Terra Patris   There's a setting of Terra beata by Austin Lovelace in "83 Musical Gifts - Part 3" published by Darcey Press http://www.darceypress.com/   I've not had occasion to look at that piece as my church doesn't use that tune but these are wonderful collections.   Michael       Emily Adams wrote:   > Hi Chatters, > > I'm looking for a fairly short/simple setting of this familiar tune > ("This is My Father's World") suitable for prelude or postlude. > Recommendations, anyone? Thanks. > > Emily a. >       ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>        
(back) Subject: RE: Terra Patris From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:17:58 +1300     >Anyone know where I can get an arrangement of "Rule Britannia" for organ? thanks   Did you know the words were written by a Scot, not an Englishman?   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: Correct pronunciation needed From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:39:26 EST   In a message dated 11/18/2004 5:58:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, DERREINETOR@aol.com writes:   > Ah-leh-loo-ya"   the leh just always sounds SO affected to me and unatural. i am all for = vowel modification but this just sits in my ears like 2 feral cats on birthing night.   just so they show up to rehearse. <G>   dale in floriduh  
(back) Subject: Re: Correct pronunciation needed From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:48:13 -0800   Well, it has been argued that if it's SPELLED "alleluia", OR if it's in the context of a LATIN-LANGUAGE motet, then you pronounce it as Latin, even though the root is Hebrew.   Nothing grates on MY nerves more that midwestern/southern mispronounced Church Latin, "ah-LAYEE-loo-yah", "Ky-ri-AYEE aaay-layyy-zone", etc. Italiante pronunciation may not be historically correct, but it was adopted MAINLY because Italians know about vowel sounds and singing = (grin).   Another point: there are VERY few dipthongs in Latin ... and the modern chant books take that even FURTHER: they print a smaller cue-sized note on the PRECISE note where you're supposed to close on the sound (for instance on the "l" of "Al-----------------------le-----lu--ia." when there's a long melisma on "Al".   So "al-lay-ee-lu-ia" simply doesn't exist.   Not to be confused with the Russian "al-le-lu-i-a", which does (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   Keys4bach@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/18/2004 5:58:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, > DERREINETOR@aol.com writes: > >> Ah-leh-loo-ya" > > > > the leh just always sounds SO affected to me and unatural. i am all for > vowel modification but this just sits in my ears like 2 feral cats on > birthing night. > > just so they show up to rehearse. <G> > > dale in floriduh      
(back) Subject: Re: Correct pronunciation needed From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:45:30 -0600   Hello, Joe:=20 =20 I suspect that Maranatha is an Anglicized pronounciation=20 of a Jewish name, which might get an emphasis on the last=20 sylable in middle-Eastern pronunciations. =20 Around Texas, the word gets the Anglicized emphasis.   F. Richard Burt =20 =20 .. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Elliffe=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:22 PM Subject: Correct pronunciation needed     I would appreciate it if someone on the list could provide the=20   pronunciation for the word MARANATHA- Is it Mar-a-na- tha =20   or Marana-tha Thanks in advance
(back) Subject: Re: Re: Correct pronunciation needed From: <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:34:24 -0800   heh....   I'm not a high-church organist, but I had a choir director in college that = was a STICKLER for correct Latin pronounciation... (not to mention my = foreign language diction teacer...!)   so... imagine my horror when in Florida (working lo, only a few miles from = our good friend dale) I heard "alleluia" come out something like this:           OWL--LAAAYEEE--LEEEWW-YUH     ugh...   ....never did completely break them if it...     my sympathy!   -Jonathan     > > From: Liquescent <quilisma@cox.net> > Date: 2004/11/18 Thu PM 08:48:13 PST > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Re: Correct pronunciation needed   > Nothing grates on MY nerves more that midwestern/southern mispronounced > Church Latin, "ah-LAYEE-loo-yah", "Ky-ri-AYEE aaay-layyy-zone", etc. > Italiante pronunciation may not be historically correct, but it was > adopted MAINLY because Italians know about vowel sounds and singing = (grin).      
(back) Subject: RE: Correct pronunciation needed From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:53:07 +1300   >I suspect that Maranatha is an Anglicized pronounciation=20 of a Jewish name, which might get an emphasis on the last=20 sylable in middle-Eastern pronunciations.   I'm no Hebrew scholar at all, but I've been told that "Maranatha" is a hoped-for wish or prayer, meaning "Our Lord, come". It's not, therefore, = a name.   Ross =A0=A0=20    
(back) Subject: Re: Correct pronunciation needed From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:04:50 +0800   Dictionary-dot-com gives us:   \Mar`a*nath"a\, n. [Aramaic m[=3Da]ran ath[=3Da].] "Our Lord cometh;" -- an= expression used by St. Paul at the conclusion of his first Epistle to the = Corinthians (xvi. 22). This word has been used in anathematizing persons fo= r great crimes; as much as to say, "May the Lord come quickly to take venge= ance of thy crimes." See Anathema maranatha   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Elliffe" <jelli@tampabay.rr.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Correct pronunciation needed Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:22:24 -0500   >=20 > I would appreciate it if someone on the list could provide the=20 >=20 > pronunciation for the word MARANATHA- Is it Mar-a-na- tha=20=20 >=20 > or Marana-tha > Thanks in advance   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm