PipeChat Digest #4800 - Sunday, October 3, 2004
 
Re: flat celeste
  by "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net>
Chill bumps from St Martins Houston
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
St. Martin's in Houston
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: St. Martin's in Houston
  by "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net>
Re: St. Martin's in Houston
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: St. Martin's in Houston
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: flat celeste
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Re: St. Martin's in Houston
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
[Fwd: Organ Concert in New Orleans]
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: flat celeste
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
how about reedless reeds?
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
AIO convention in a peanutshell
  by "rgunther@cantv.net" <rgunther@cantv.net>
St. Mary-the-Smoky
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: flat celeste From: "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:47:53 -0500   Having a celeste tuned flat gives it a "cool" and "distant" feel, as = opposed to a sharp celeste rank, which tends to sound more "present" or = "edgy" (given the same pipes). More stringy-sounding ranks are usually = tuned normal-sharp with a more rapid undulation, and dull-sounding ranks = (flutes, dulcianas,dolces, etc) are tuned normal-flat with a slower = undulation. If both ranks are controlled by the same tab, the two ranks = can be tuned slightly sharp-slightly flat, since neither rank needs to = be normally intune so it can be used alone. On the big orchestral = organs, they would have 3 ranks of similar tone to make a richer = celeste. They can be tuned flat-normal-sharp or normal-sharp-verysharp. = If you can't use the flat-normal celeste with the normal-sharp celeste, = it may be that the out-of tune ranks are too far apart, and could be = modified. If you do change the flat rank to a slightly sharp tuning, = don't make it the same as the present sharp rank. Having the two = out-of-tune ranks different will create a richer and more complex = combination, and used separately they will make pairs of different = character and undulation speeds. Placement of the celesting ranks (don't = put them too close to each other if you have a choice), and the basic = tonal character of the ranks involved (comparative volumes, brightness, = etc) may make them not combine effectively. Don't go cutting the flat = Erzehler rank to make it sharper without careful planning and = experimentation. There's no theoretical reason why the sharp and flat = celestes can't be used together. In an orchestra string section where = every player is using vibrato, there are thousands of tuning = combinations at any one time, and always changing. This is what creates = the warmth and richness of tone in a good string ensemble. A few ranks = of pipes can only begin to immitate this effect. Here is the Stoplist = from the String Organ of the Wanamaker Grand Court Organ, which has the = variety and depth to challange a real string orchestra. Each line is a = separate complete rank, identically named ranks are tuned as various = sorts of celestes. By my count that's 88 ranks of string pipes. I don't = know if all the "sharp" ranks are equally sharp, or if there are = degrees. Add to this variety the normal out-of-tuneness in a big = multi-level organ, and the sound is frightfully complex.=20 String =20 (Floating) =20 =20 Violone 16=20 First Contra Gamba 16=20 Second Contra Gamba 16=20 First Contra Viol 16=20 Second Contra Viol 16=20 First Viol 16=20 Second Viol 16=20 Violin Diapason 8=20 Gamba 8=20 Nazard Gamba II 8=20 Nazard Gamba II (sharp) 8=20 First 'Cello natural 8=20 First 'Cello sharp 8=20 First 'Cello flat 8=20 Second 'Cello natural 8=20 Second 'Cello sharp 8=20 Second 'Cello flat 8=20 First Orchestral Violin natural 8=20 First Orchestral Violin sharp 8=20 First Orchestral Violin flat 8=20 Second Orchestral Violin natural 8=20 Second Orchestral Violin sharp 8=20 Second Orchestral Violin flat 8=20 Third Orchestral Violin natural 8=20 Third Orchestral Violin sharp 8=20 Third orchestral Violin flat 8=20 Fourth Orchestral Violin natural 8=20 Fourth Orchestral Violin sharp 8=20 Fourth Orchestral Violin flat 8=20 Fifth Orchestral Violin natural 8=20 Fifth Orchestral Violin sharp 8=20 Fifth Orchestral Violin flat 8=20 Sixth Orchestral Violin natural 8=20 Sixth Orchestral Violin sharp 8=20 Sixth Orchestral Violin flat 8=20 First Muted Violin natural 8=20 First Muted Violin sharp 8=20 First Muted Violin flat 8=20 Second Muted Violin natural 8=20 Second Muted Violin sharp 8=20 Second Muted Violin flat 8=20 Third Muted Violin natural 8=20 Third Muted Violin sharp 8=20 Third Muted Violin flat 8=20 Fourth Muted Violin natural 8=20 Fourth Muted Violin sharp 8=20 Fourth Muted Violin flat 8=20 Fifth Muted Violin natural 8=20 Fifth Muted Violin sharp 8=20 Fifth Muted Violin flat 8=20 Sixth Muted Violin natural 8=20 Sixth Muted Violin sharp 8=20 Sixth Muted Violin flat 8=20 First Orchestral Violina natural 4=20 First Orchestral Violina sharp 4=20 Second Orchestral Violina natural 4=20 Second Orchestral Violina sharp 4=20 Quint Violina natural 5 1/3=20 Quint Violina sharp 5 1/3=20 Tierce Violina natural 3 1/5=20 Tierce Violina sharp 3 1/5=20 Nazard Violina natural 2 2/3=20 Nazard Violina sharp 2 2/3=20 Super Violina natural 2=20 Super Violina sharp 2=20 First Dulciana natural 8=20 First Dulciana sharp 8=20 Second Dulciana natural 8=20 Second Dulciana sharp 8=20 Third Dulciana natural 8=20 Third Dulciana sharp 8=20 Fourth Dulciana natural 8=20 Fourth Dulciana sharp 8=20 Fifth Dulciana natural 8=20 Fifth Dulciana sharp 8=20 Sixth Dulciana natural 8=20 Sixth Dulciana sharp 8=20 First Octave Dulciana natural 4=20 First Octave Dulciana sharp 4=20 Second Octave Dulciana natural 4=20 Second Octave Dulciana sharp 4=20 Dulciana Mutation V       =20   ----- Original Message -----=20 From: BlueeyedBear@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 12:27 PM Subject: flat celeste     list,   i know that the unda maris is traditionally tuned flat, but is it the = only celeste to be tuned so? the choir erzahler celeste on my = instrument is flat (i'm new to the job), and i'm wondering if anyone = else has experienced this.   i'd like it to be tuned sharp so that i can use it in combination with = the swell string celeste.   scot
(back) Subject: Chill bumps from St Martins Houston From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:11:08 -0700 (PDT)   OH MY GOD! Who would ever have thougth such an exquisite organ and room would be = built in 2004!? www.stmartinsepiscopal.org St Martins Episcopal in Houston with 7000 = members has a brand new Gothic room with a brand new Schoenstein. = Gothic....in 2004?! THERES HOPE! The pendulum is swinging back in favor of = goodness! With churches being shaped like beans, padded circles, and = sunflower seeds, it is so refreshing to see a gothic room...true = gothic...that is brand new! Its a blessin'!     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: St. Martin's in Houston From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 15:36:36 -0700   In reading through the website, I see the names of the usual suspects and places ... Cathedral of the Advent, Truro Parish, etc.   I doubt that some of us (at least) would be welcome there.   Sad.       Bud   "Hate kills; silence equals death."      
(back) Subject: Re: St. Martin's in Houston From: "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 18:51:07 -0400   Sorry -- I don't get it! What's with the "Cathedral of the Advent, Truro Parish, etc."?   Steve Best in Utica, NY   Liquescent wrote:   > In reading through the website, I see the names of the usual suspects > and places ... Cathedral of the Advent, Truro Parish, etc. > > I doubt that some of us (at least) would be welcome there. > > Sad. > > > > Bud > > "Hate kills; silence equals death."        
(back) Subject: Re: St. Martin's in Houston From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 19:14:32 -0400   On 10/2/04 6:51 PM, "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net> wrote:   > Sorry -- I don't get it! What's with the "Cathedral of the Advent, > Truro Parish, etc."? > Me too. Did some context just not show up?   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: St. Martin's in Houston From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 16:35:40 -0700   The rector came from the Cathedral of the Advent in Birmingham, AL; the organist-choirmaster came from Truro Parish in Virginia; both places are leaders in the Forward In Faith / American Anglican Council, etc. in the Episcopal Church ... the same groups that St. James Anglican Church in Newport Beach CA belonged to ... St. James recently left the American Episcopal Church and aligned themselves with a diocese in Nigeria over you-know-what and you-know who (+ New Hampshire).   Reading the website, a lot of the language is similar, though they don't come right out and SAY it ... a lot of the language is like using "states' rights" as a code phrase for "segregation."   Bud   "Hate kills; silence equals death."   Alan Freed wrote:   > On 10/2/04 6:51 PM, "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net> wrote: > > >>Sorry -- I don't get it! What's with the "Cathedral of the Advent, >>Truro Parish, etc."? >> > > Me too. Did some context just not show up? > > Alan > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: Re: flat celeste From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:35:47 -0400     In "The Composition of The Organ" by the Skinners (father and son) it is stated that flat tuning any celeste is to be avoided.   To each his own.   What works for you?       Jim         On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:27:41 EDT BlueeyedBear@aol.com writes: list,   i know that the unda maris is traditionally tuned flat, but is it the only celeste to be tuned so? the choir erzahler celeste on my instrument is flat (i'm new to the job), and i'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this.   i'd like it to be tuned sharp so that i can use it in combination with the swell string celeste.   scot
(back) Subject: Re: St. Martin's in Houston From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 19:45:31 -0400   On 10/2/04 7:35 PM, "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> wrote:   > Alan Freed wrote: > >> On 10/2/04 6:51 PM, "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net> wrote: >> >>> Sorry -- I don't get it! What's with the "Cathedral of the Advent, >>> Truro Parish, etc."? >>> >> Me too. Did some context just not show up? >> >> Alan >> Thank you, Bud. Of course. Now I get it.   Alan    
(back) Subject: [Fwd: Organ Concert in New Orleans] From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 20:19:52 -0700       -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Organ Concert in New Orleans Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 20:57:57 -0500 From: Brendan Wright <brendan@SJASC.EDU> Reply-To: brendan@SJASC.EDU To: PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu   For those in the greater New Orleans area (and others):   On Sunday, October 3 at 7:00 P.M. there will be an organ concert at St. Louis Cathedral presented by Olivier Latry, Titular Organist from The Cathedral of Notre Dame in Paris. This concert is the first in a series of four concerts showcasing the newly upgraded organ and fa=E7ade that have recently been restored.   Br. Brendan Wright, OSB St. Joseph Abbey St. Benedict, LA   http://stlouiscathedral.org/ http://www.neworleanschurches.com/stlouiscath/organspec.htm http://www.neworleanschurches.com/stlouiscath/stlouiscath.htm   :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Note: opinions expressed on PIPORG-L are those of the individual con- tributors and not necessarily those of the list owners nor of the Uni- versity at Albany. For a brief summary of list commands, send mail to listserv@listserv.albany.edu saying GET LSVCMMDS.TXT or see the web page at http://www.albany.edu/piporg-l/lsvcmmds.html . ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::          
(back) Subject: Re: flat celeste From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 23:26:12 EDT   In a message dated 10/2/04 4:38:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mcfarland6@juno.com writes:   > In "The Composition of The Organ" by the Skinners (father and son) it is =   > stated that flat tuning any celeste is to be avoided. > > To each his own. > > What works for you? >   currently, both celestes (swell string and choir erzahler) are too fast (wide) for my taste. perhaps for the autumn tuning i'll ask that they be = slowed a bit, and that way they might be used together. if not, then for the = spring tuning i'll request that the erzahler be sharpened.   thanks for the info & ideas, folks.   scot  
(back) Subject: how about reedless reeds? From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 23:29:27 EDT   years ago i heard a reedless chalumeau that was smooth as butter -- most beautiful solo clarinet sound i've ever heard. has anyone else ever found = a reedless reed that they liked? and why aren't they built more often??   incidentally, that same organ also had a reedless oboe which i didn't care =   for, however.   scot  
(back) Subject: AIO convention in a peanutshell From: "rgunther@cantv.net" <rgunther@cantv.net> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:47:13 -0400   Could not copy the message to the digest, there was no plain text part
(back) Subject: St. Mary-the-Smoky From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 22:09:09 -0700       rgunther@cantv.net wrote:   and the > ugliest organ I have ever seen, but boy, what a sound: St Mary the > Virgin; where I learned WHY this organ remains so ugly, and what an > astounding history it has. > Andres, St. Mary the Virgin is familiarly known as "Smokey Mary's", on account of the amount of incense they use at the Solemn Mass on Sunday. By the time the incensations at the Offertory are completed, the High Altar and REREDOS have disappeared; you don't see ANYTHING above the level of the choir loft, much LESS the organ above THAT (chuckle).   I don't know how the choir manages to BREATHE; when I was there, they had a large fan in the doorway to the choir room off the loft (grin).   Legend has it that the lovely gothic case was built but never installed. Various stories have it buried somewhere in the cavernous undercroft of St. Mary's, or elsewhere. It's more likely there wasn't the money to build it. When Harrison rebuilt the organ, he was forced to recycle the earlier E.M. Skinner console (finally replaced in the last rebuild).   The windchest from the earlier Jardine chancel division remains in place in the swallows' nest high on the Epistle side of the sanctuary, but the pipes are gone; I came across a service-list from the funeral of a priest, c. 1889; at that time, there was a chancel AND a gallery choir .... but it's been many years since there were singers up front. I understand there are plans to put SOMETHING up there in the way of an organ, but I don't know WHAT.   The person sent me the service-list because the choir sang John Bacchus Dykes' setting of the Dies irae (certainly one of the high-points of Victorian melodrama), and they knew that I'd made an edition of it (chuckle).   Cheers,   Bud