PipeChat Digest #4801 - Sunday, October 3, 2004
 
Re: St. Martin's Epscopal
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: how about reedless reeds?
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: how about reedless reeds?
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
Re: St. Martin's Epscopal
  by <AEolianSkinner@aol.com>
RE: St. Mary-the-Smoky
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: St. Mary-the-Smoky
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: flat celeste
  by "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
Re: St. Mary-the-Smoky
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: St. Mary-the-Smoky
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: St. Mary-the-Smoky
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
today's music
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
A hearty thanks to you
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Music for Oct. 3
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Good thoughts and prayers
  by "Milo R. Shepherd" <mrstwin2@rubberandsteel.com>
Re: Good thoughts and prayers
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Service Music - Oct. 3, 2004
  by "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com>
Need some info from Chicago OHS convention book
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
RE: Service Music - Oct. 3, 2004
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
RE: Need some info from Chicago OHS convention book
  by "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net>
today's music on the great Hradetsky
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Music for Oct. 3
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: St. Martin's Epscopal From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 05:37:29 EDT   I was looking at the St. Martin's website, and the only thing mentioned--well, the only thing that I could find mentioned about the = organ was the dedication recital today.   However, I did see that George Mims, was the Organist/Director of Music. = Wasn't he formerly of St. Philip's, Charleston, and also at several of = the more prominant "evangelical" Episcopal churches? I noted that in the description of the choir, it prominantly describes that the choir sings = "renewal" music.   The organ looks stunning. I wish they had more information about it on = the website. Maybe I just missed it somewhere. Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: Re: how about reedless reeds? From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 08:37:07 EDT   In a message dated 10/2/2004 11:33:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BlueeyedBear@aol.com writes: ? and why aren't they built more often??   incidentally, that same organ also had a reedless oboe which i didn't care =   for, however. Labial reed stops (at least as done by the Estey Company) worked well as = long as you were a bit forgiving as to their tonal authenticity. Many of the reedless "Oboe" stops were really not much more than a very sharp-sounding = Gamba with a rather unique languid treatment. These tops can be murder to deal = with it the various relationships in the area of the mouth of the pipe get out of adjustment...they were probably a pain-in-the-rear to voice new on the = voicing jack (I suspect).   Rick in VA  
(back) Subject: Re: how about reedless reeds? From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 09:09:07 -0500   Labial oboes were especially useful in small country churches where = tuning visits were few and far between, and reeds were therefore = undesirable. Labial oboes helped produce an ensemble that sounded as if = there was a reed in it, and were often extremely effective at this even = if they didn't sound quite so good as solo stops. Haskell was at his = best developing other kinds of labial stops, such as the labial = Saxaphone. This is an orchestral instrument that is very difficult to = imitate by means of organ reeds and in this case the labial Saxaphone = tends to be the superior product.   John Speller.   ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RMaryman@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 7:37 AM Subject: Re: how about reedless reeds?     In a message dated 10/2/2004 11:33:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = BlueeyedBear@aol.com writes: ? and why aren't they built more often??   incidentally, that same organ also had a reedless oboe which i = didn't care for, however. Labial reed stops (at least as done by the Estey Company) worked well = as long as you were a bit forgiving as to their tonal authenticity. Many = of the reedless "Oboe" stops were really not much more than a very = sharp-sounding Gamba with a rather unique languid treatment. These tops = can be murder to deal with it the various relationships in the area of = the mouth of the pipe get out of adjustment...they were probably a = pain-in-the-rear to voice new on the voicing jack (I suspect).
(back) Subject: Re: St. Martin's Epscopal From: <AEolianSkinner@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 10:11:19 EDT   If you do a little digging, you can find a picture of the console and they = go into detail about how many pipes and ranks. It is a nice 4 Manual 80 = Rank pipe organ. (If I remember it right)   Best Regards, Gregory Hinson    
(back) Subject: RE: St. Mary-the-Smoky From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 08:06:26 -0500   Just curious, Bud - when was the last time you visited St. Mary's?   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Liquescent The windchest from the earlier Jardine chancel division remains in place   in the swallows' nest high on the Epistle side of the sanctuary, but the   pipes are gone; I came across a service-list from the funeral of a priest, c. 1889; at that time, there was a chancel AND a gallery choir .... but it's been many years since there were singers up front. I understand there are plans to put SOMETHING up there in the way of an organ, but I don't know WHAT.        
(back) Subject: Re: St. Mary-the-Smoky From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 09:47:23 -0700   It's been ... hmmm ... a while ... after Michael's funeral in 1988? ... but I still have friends there, and I still get the newsletter. There's a certain circle of anglo-catholic organists who keep an eagle eye on the goings-on there (chuckle).   I am aware of the used Holtkamp console up front, which controls part (but not all) of the gallery organ, and that they've tried having the choir in the chancel stalls, but that puts them in precisely the same position as St. Mary Magdalene, Toronto (Dr. Willan's former church), only with the components swapped: at Smoky Mary's, the (secondary) console and choir would be in the east end, with the organ in the west end. At Toronto, the situation is reversed.   At New York, I suspect the end result was the same: the choir probably had to sing everything unaccompanied, as the delay between the east console and the west pipes in that huge building must be enormous. In any case, only the people in the middle of the church MIGHT hear the two in balance if they DID try to accompany the choir.   Cheers,   Bud   Glenda wrote:   > Just curious, Bud - when was the last time you visited St. Mary's? > > Glenda Sutton > gksjd85@direcway.com > >        
(back) Subject: Re: flat celeste From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:49:44 +0100   Audsley says sharp for string toned Voix Celestes, flat for Flute based = Unda Maris. I prefer always flat because adding a rank tends to give the sound = a lift, taking a rank off the reverse, so flat tuning does to a degree = cancel things out.   Ideally one would have two ranks one tuned either side, or even three - = one flat one sharp, one in tune.   Bruce Miles   website - http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk/index.html   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Cc: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 12:35 AM Subject: Re: flat celeste     > > In "The Composition of The Organ" by the Skinners (father and son) it is > stated that flat tuning any celeste is to be avoided. > > To each his own. > > What works for you? > > > > Jim > > > > > On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:27:41 EDT BlueeyedBear@aol.com writes: > list, > > i know that the unda maris is traditionally tuned flat, but is it the > only celeste to be tuned so? the choir erzahler celeste on my = instrument > is flat (i'm new to the job), and i'm wondering if anyone else has > experienced this. > > i'd like it to be tuned sharp so that i can use it in combination with > the swell string celeste. > > scot    
(back) Subject: Re: St. Mary-the-Smoky From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:29:21 -0500   Yes, we just returned from a wonderful AIO convention, and did get to see and hear the Sr. Mary's organ. It looks and sounds quite industrial, and was by far the loudest organ we heard at the convention. It brought to = mind the incident related in The Dish when one of the Rockefeller ladies was beating Virgil on the back during the postlude saying "It's To Loud, It's = To Loud, It's To Loud"! The quite considerable volume of the AIO hymn = singing sound was completely wiped out, and many of us felt like waving a white = flag of surrender. Roy   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 11:47 AM Subject: Re: St. Mary-the-Smoky     > It's been ... hmmm ... a while ... after Michael's funeral in 1988? ... > but I still have friends there, and I still get the newsletter. There's > a certain circle of anglo-catholic organists who keep an eagle eye on > the goings-on there (chuckle). > > I am aware of the used Holtkamp console up front, which controls part > (but not all) of the gallery organ, and that they've tried having the > choir in the chancel stalls, but that puts them in precisely the same > position as St. Mary Magdalene, Toronto (Dr. Willan's former church), > only with the components swapped: at Smoky Mary's, the (secondary) > console and choir would be in the east end, with the organ in the west > end. At Toronto, the situation is reversed. > > At New York, I suspect the end result was the same: the choir probably > had to sing everything unaccompanied, as the delay between the east > console and the west pipes in that huge building must be enormous. In > any case, only the people in the middle of the church MIGHT hear the two > in balance if they DID try to accompany the choir. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Glenda wrote: > > > Just curious, Bud - when was the last time you visited St. Mary's? > > > > Glenda Sutton > > gksjd85@direcway.com > > > > > > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > >    
(back) Subject: Re: St. Mary-the-Smoky From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 15:33:16 -0500   At 03:29 PM 10/3/2004, you wrote: >The quite considerable volume of the AIO hymn singing >sound was completely wiped out, and many of us felt like waving a white = flag >of surrender.   I would be interested to hear any comments from someone who attended both AIO and OHS this year, to hear how this event compared to the Hymn Wipe-out in = Buffalo.   jch        
(back) Subject: Re: St. Mary-the-Smoky From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:44:23 EDT   Two years ago (a year before Keith and I were married) when I was in NY = for my grandson's funeral, I took the train into Manhattan and was going to Communion at St. Luke's at noon on Wednesday. I took a taxi and gave the = driver the address of St. Luke's and he said there was no church there. I argued, = but he took me to Smoky Mary's. I had to run to St. Luke's to get there by noon. = The next year, during the week after we were married, we visited St. = Mary's, St. Thomas, and many other churches. Due to having 3 teenagers and a baby =   living with us at the present time, our traveling has been curtailed, for = the moment. My grandchildren and a friend (with a baby), are studying to get = their GED so they can go to college. My granddaughter did pass her's last week. = She is hoping for a scholarship to the University from which I was graduated, = The University of Central Oklahoma in Edmond, OK. Lee  
(back) Subject: today's music From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:03:22 -0400   Music List Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio   Prelude: March on a Theme of Handel - Alexandre Guilmant Hymn: Praise to the Lord, the Almighty (Lobe den Herren) Anthem: O Lord, Increase Our Faith - Henry Loosemore Hymn: Earth, Wind, and Stars Offertory: Little Prelude in C - J. S. Bach Hymn: O Spirit of Life (O Heiliger Geist) Postlude: Chant de joie - Jean Langlais   The theme this week was dubious attribution. It wasn't Handel (as we have discussed at length some time back--unless that was PIP-ORG), some say the Eight Little are not by Bach, and in the First Concord Anthem Book the anthem is attributed to Gibbons. At least we know that Langlais wrote the postlude.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: A hearty thanks to you From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 16:12:30 -0500   I have just spent a lazy Sunday. Other than practicing a trio sonata on the piano and listening to a George Ritchie recording of the Eighteen, I felt like doing nothing. It is so dry here that I can't do outside work for immediate allergy attacks, and I have been so aggravated that I was afraid of breaking things if I cleaned house. My head hurt too badly to read.   However, I knew that all my organic friends were slaving their fingers to the bone at church. So I tackled my computer desk and filing cabinet. I carted off three Wal-Mart bags stuffed full of papers and catalogs, making room in the cabinet for more 'stuff', and organizing the computer desk so that I don't know where anything is, but it looks nicer.   However, I came across two file folders of e-mails from list folks, full of memorable jokes and valuable information, stuff I felt worthy of saving in hard form. What an entertaining and educational group of people you are! I was so inspired that I changed the kitty litter pans.   I also found some music I had bought at conventions and never put away - cool - and mailing addresses for a few of you, envelopes I had stashed away until the golden day I would record the addresses in my little red book.   Speaking of which, has anyone heard from Richard (Dick) Siegel recently? I found his business card from when he was a prosecutor.   Thanks and cheers.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Music for Oct. 3 From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:43:39 EDT   Friendship Missionary Baptist Church Charlotte, NC 7:30 AM 9:15 AM 11:15 AM Celebration of Holy Communion schedule of choirs today: 7:30 Alive 4 Christ (Young Adult Gospel Choir) 9:15 Church Choir (Chancel Choir) 11:15 Ladies Choir Prelude: Communion--Charles Callahan Opening Hymn: "Are Ye Able," Said the Master (Beacon Hill) Congregational Song: (a cappella) I Know It Was the Blood (gospel) Hymns during Communion: 7:30: Nothing But the Blood of Jesus (Plainfield) 9:15: Down at the Cross (Glory to His Name) 11:15: The Old Rugged Cross (Old Rugged Cross) Music during Offering: 7:30: Jehovah Jireh 9:15: It's Amazing (Brooklyn Tabernacle Choir) 11:15: A High Praise in a Low Place Inviation Hymn: I Know Who Holds Tomorrow (Tomorrow) Postlude: Toccatina--Ramon Noble All the choirs were planning on singing two selections today, but given = the how long the first part of the service went, Pastor jumped right from Communion into the "Ministry of Thanksgiving", most commonly referred to = as the "Offering", which skipped over where each choir would have normally sung = their first selection. The Church Choir was going to also sing "If Ye Love Me" = by Witby (Eboracum Choral Series ed. Francis Jackson), but obviously it was = cut. It tied together all of last month's Scripture/sermon series and was = going to be the segue into the new sermon series, but alas, it was not to be. As our church grows and builds, the Deacons and Pastor have formulated a three year plan of action. Each year has a theme. Last year was "from membership to discipleship." This year is from "discipleship to = stewardship." Each month has a key word and scripture verses. This month we are focusing on "Committed" and the Scripture is Ruth = 1:1-22.  
(back) Subject: Good thoughts and prayers From: "Milo R. Shepherd" <mrstwin2@rubberandsteel.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:45:25 -0400   All,   I have been going through a tough time and some of the conversations and chats on here have kept me going....thank you for that. I am currently awaiting for the Vet Admin to decide on my disability. This decision is being made now. I could go into detail with the reasoning but often ours = is not to reason but to do. I hope that you will keep me in your thoughts = and prayers that the VA will do the right thing for me.   Thanks.   Milo      
(back) Subject: Re: Good thoughts and prayers From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 16:28:15 -0700   You got it, my friend. I'm going through the same thing with the Social Security Administration.   Cheers,   Bud   Milo R. Shepherd wrote:   > All, > > I have been going through a tough time and some of the conversations and > chats on here have kept me going....thank you for that. I am currently > awaiting for the Vet Admin to decide on my disability. This decision is > being made now. I could go into detail with the reasoning but often = ours is > not to reason but to do. I hope that you will keep me in your thoughts = and > prayers that the VA will do the right thing for me. > > Thanks. > > Milo > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: Service Music - Oct. 3, 2004 From: "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:35:52 -0500   Northminster Church Monroe, LA   The Preludes Sleepers Awake J.S.Bach Blessed Jesu, We Are Here J.S.Bach Prelude and Fugue in c, BVW 549 J.S.Bach   The Prologue Up from the depths D.H. Clark   The Processional Hymn WACHET AUF   The Voluntary If Thou But Suffer God to Guide You NEUMARK, arr. = Nelson   Hymn VILLE DU HAVRE   The Anthem Sing to the Lord a jubilant song Alan Pote   The Meditation on the Sermon Nobody Know's the Trouble I've Seen Traditional Spiritual   The Communion Anthem Out of the deep John Rutter   The Recessional Hymn DUKE STREET   The Choral Blessing in D D.C.Clark    
(back) Subject: Need some info from Chicago OHS convention book From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 19:05:48 -0500   All my cleaning did not produce my Chicago OHS convention book, although all the others are standing chummily together on the bookshelf, between the AAA tour books and the books on raising chickens. What's aggravating is that I even remember what the cover looks like.   A friend recommended a Langlais piece to me, but couldn't remember the name. However, it was performed by MaryAnn Crugher Balduf at St. John UCC on the first full day of the convention (am I right, and the organ has only one manual?).   Can anyone provide the name of the piece for me?   To paraphrase the little old lady at the Easter dinner on the ground, who once said to me while searching for serving spoons, "Now where did that little bastard go?"   Thanks.   Interrogating the cats under hot lights, I remain,   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: RE: Service Music - Oct. 3, 2004 From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 19:05:48 -0500   Good service, Sand! Hope the flowers matched the music in impressiveness.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com   =A0      
(back) Subject: RE: Need some info from Chicago OHS convention book From: "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:40:26 -0500   "Priere pour les morts" from Twenty-four pieces for organ. The organ was attributed to Emil Witzmann and is I/8           -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Glenda Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 7:06 PM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: Need some info from Chicago OHS convention book     All my cleaning did not produce my Chicago OHS convention book, although all the others are standing chummily together on the bookshelf, between the AAA tour books and the books on raising chickens. What's aggravating is that I even remember what the cover looks like.   A friend recommended a Langlais piece to me, but couldn't remember the name. However, it was performed by MaryAnn Crugher Balduf at St. John UCC on the first full day of the convention (am I right, and the organ has only one manual?).   Can anyone provide the name of the piece for me?   To paraphrase the little old lady at the Easter dinner on the ground, who once said to me while searching for serving spoons, "Now where did that little bastard go?"   Thanks.   Interrogating the cats under hot lights, I remain,   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com        
(back) Subject: today's music on the great Hradetsky From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 21:05:28 EDT   Prelude: "A Quartet Movement", (I assume Franz Joseph Haydn). "We Walk By Faith", James Biery (based on the tune: DUNLAP'S CREEK".   Call to Worship: "Psalm 137" (antiphon was a Latvian tune to the text "By = the Babylonian Rivers").   Hymns: "Give to the Winds Thy Fears" (FESTAL SONG). "One Bread, One Body". Three Hymns for World Wide Communion Sunday. "Come Down, O Love Divine" (DOWN AMPNEY). "Let Us Break Bread Together". and a hymn from the UM Hymnal with a Chinese Melody. Final Hymn (can't remember title), but was set to Ein Feste Burg.   Postlude: "Credo" from "Missa pro Organo", Jan Bender. This is a wild piece, the folks LOVED it.  
(back) Subject: Re: Music for Oct. 3 From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 20:24:05 -0500     Good to see the Noble Toccatina, which we talked about last Sunday!   Bob Lind   ----- Original Message ----- From: <RMB10@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 4:43 PM Subject: Music for Oct. 3     > Postlude: Toccatina--Ramon Noble