PipeChat Digest #4810 - Friday, October 8, 2004 Christian Schmitt at Oslo Cathedral - review (X-post) by "Jarle Fagerheim" <email@example.com> Re: renewal music...to me by "Bernadette Wagner" <firstname.lastname@example.org> the OFF TOPIC Shoe Dropping by "T.Desiree' Hines" <email@example.com> Estey Flower Pot Chests by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Organs at closed Boston Parishes by <DionDave@aol.com> RE: Organs at closed Boston Parishes by "Daniel Hancock" <email@example.com> ORGAN VIDEO SEARCH by "Paul F. Roy" <firstname.lastname@example.org> PIPE ORGAN VIDEO SEARCH by "Paul F. Roy" <email@example.com> RE: ORGAN VIDEO SEARCH by "Michael David" <firstname.lastname@example.org> RE: Apologies...Re: Patience... by "Michael David" <email@example.com> Don Don Kinnier Performs at Rochester Wurlitzer 4/23 on Oct. 16 (cross-po by "Kenneth Evans" <firstname.lastname@example.org> RE: Bolcom by "Michael David" <email@example.com> October 17 organ recital x-posted by "Robert Lind" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Organs at closed Boston Parishes by "John L. Speller" <email@example.com> Double Brass Quintet and Organ by "Bill Hauser" <firstname.lastname@example.org> St Johns Anglican Church Lunenburg NS UPDATE!!! by "Daniel Hopkins" <email@example.com> Re: the OFF TOPIC Shoe Dropping - PIPECHATTERS AGAINST SOCIAL INJUSTICE by "noel jones" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
(back) Subject: Christian Schmitt at Oslo Cathedral - review (X-post) From: "Jarle Fagerheim" <email@example.com> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 11:10:14 +0200 -- Christian Schmitt at Oslo Cathedral, October 6 2004 at 19:00 -- -- The Programme -- Johann Sebastian Bach (1685-1750): Prelude and Fugue in D major, BWV 532 Marcel Dupre (1886-1971): Variations sur un n=F6el, opus 20 (1923) Thomas Daniel Schnee (1975-): Seefelder Pr=E4ludium (1984) Knut Nystedt (1915-): Le Verbe Eternel, opus 133 (1993) Frank Zabel (1968-): Concerning Coulours (premiere performance) Max Reger (1873-1916): Chorale Fantasia on "Wachet auf", opus 52,2 (1900) (This is my first-ever attempt to write a review of a recital. I hope you all find it worthy of reading! Please forgive me any spelling and grammar errors, as English isn't my native language.) Last Monday, casually surfing the website of the Goethe-Institut in Oslo, I noted that the young German organist Christian Schmitt was to play a recital at Oslo Cathedral two days later. As this was the week of the Norwegian school autumn holidays, and Mr. Schmitt's programme looked rather interesting, I decided to see if I could get a cheap train fare to Oslo that day. And so I did - huge thanks to the Norwegian State Railways for providing me with one of their 150th anniversary tickets! -- The Performer -- Christian Schmitt was born in 1978, and studied with Leo Kr=E3mer at the Hochschule f=FCr Musik und Theater in Saarbr=FCcken, where he graduated = with a Diploma in 1999. He then continued his studies with Margareth Phillips in London and James David Christie in Boston, where he achieved the Artist Diploma in 2003. Schmitt is the winner of several international competitions, and as the first-ever organist he was awarded the European Culture award of the Pro Europa foundation in 2003. There's more about him at his website, http://www.christianschmitt.de.vu. -- The Organ -- The main organ of Oslo Cathedral was built by the Norwegian firm Ryde & Berg in 1998, with three manuals and 56 stops, in a gorgeous Baroque case (by Lambert Daniel Kastens, an Arp Schnitger pupil). Olivier Latry, who played the inaugeration recital, termed it "perfect". I can't say I disagree -- it sounds wonderful and must be a true joy to play! More information about the organ is available at http://www.ryde-berg.no. -- The Recital -- The recital was presented the Goethe-Institut in cooperation with Oslo Rotary Club's "Course in Classical Music". Harald Herresthal from the Norwegian Academy of Music introduced each piece for the audience, which was unusually large for an organ recital in Norway -- I think there must have been at least 300! The opening piece, Bach's famous Prelude and Fugue in D major, surely set the standard for the rest of the recital. Schmitt didn't only use it as a showpiece of his virtuosic technique, but also made marvellous _music_ out of it. Very fine articulation combined with a lively (but never rushing) tempo was the hallmarks of Schmitt's interpretation. Next out was Dupre's "Variations sur un no=EBl". I thought the theme rushed a little, but as the variations proceeded, and Schmitt handled the increasing technical difficulties with the greatest ease imaginable, I soon stopped thinking about that! Schmitt left everybody speechless after having rocked through the final Toccata. Even Marcel Dupre himself would have been impressed! Then came Schlee's Seefelder Pr=E4ludium. Herresthal remarked that it was probably the first time a work of this composer was performed in Norway. I didn't know what to expect, but I was positively surprised. Almost classical in style and beautifully played by Schmitt, this short piece was a great interludium. Knut Nystedt; 89 years old and still active as a composer. He was himself present at the recital, and was introduced by Herresthal to great applause. I had never heard "Le Verbe Eternel" before, and I didn't feel like I really understood the work. Still it was a fun piece to listen to. It alternates between huge chords in a almost Regerian harmonic language, and rapid toccata-like figurations which I could imagine how much fun it it must be to play. Schmitt's playing was once again excellent, but this piece didn't affect me quite as much as the three previous pieces. Next on the program: The premiere performance of Frank Zabel's "Concerning Colours". The work is a paraphrase on the concerto "Touching Colours" for organ and orchestra, by the same composer and commisioned by Christian Schmitt. It is a musical representation of a picture which is exhibited in Schmitt's hometown Saarbrucken. The style is very modernistic, and it was difficult for me to get much out of it. Hopefully as I grow older I'll get to understand and appreciate this music much more, but for now I'm really unable to comment it much... The final piece, Max Reger's great Fantasia on "Wachet auf", was introduced by Harald Herresthal singing the Norwegian equivalent hymn "Sions vekter hever r=F8sten". I think that's a good thing, to make the audience aware of the tune before the piece begins. As for Schmitt's preformance -- it was marvellous all the way, and when the piece came to an end I felt like the roof was about to lift off! Bravo, Mr. Schmitt! My definition of a great musician is one that makes the music simply flow out as if it is the most natural thing in the world. I recall reading about Thor Heyerdahl, the famous explorer, who said something like "the goal of music is to make up for the loss of natural harmony". I was in complete harmony after this recital. Christian Schmitt knows how to treat the organ and his audience! - Jarle Fagerheim http://jarle.moo.no
(back) Subject: Re: renewal music...to me From: "Bernadette Wagner" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 06:54:47 -0700 (PDT) YOU BETTER FRICKIN STAY AT HOLY CROSS!!!!!! everyone one there loves you, = Scott!!! they say it every sunday. "That organist is so good! I wonder if = he does any recitals." they really like you and the music that you do. Scott <email@example.com> wrote:Talking about music selections. I = played a Froberger Toccata two Sunday's ago. I have never received so many compliments before on something I = pulled out 5 minutes before the 8am mass. Just shows you the type of people that our at my church. Young and old, they like what we do there. Maybe I should consider staying.... Scott Montgomery 619 W Church St. Champaign, IL 61820 217.390.0158 www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org Administration: mailto:email@example.com List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe: --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish.
(back) Subject: the OFF TOPIC Shoe Dropping From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 07:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Ok...Move over RMB...let me on the Soapbox (snicker, i should correct you = by calling out your whole name!) OK...Life...Life is hard, life is easy...it's the opening of Les = Miserable. For me,I grew up slightly similar, but different to Monty but not as = fortunate to have a mother able to do such. I was raised by a single mother who gave birth to me at 40, after having = had 6 children already, with a 16 year gap between me and my brother born = before me. My mother did not have the opportunities as some of the other = mothers did...Black...Mississippi...born in 1939 to a farming family in = Clinton, MS...you figure it out. As a matter of fact, mama always tells me = of the time Big Mama would not let her go to NYC. A man from an Art school = saw mama's art. Mama said she was a very good artist when she was a girl. = The man saw her art, and was floored and wanted to take her to NYC to go = to school tuition free. My grandmother did not allow her that opportunity = for "that white man might have something up his sleeve" . To this day she = says her life may have been so much more different had she been allowed to = spread her wings. Mother will always say that she did make wrong decisions = in life, but she just did not know any better. On my grandmothers death = bed she found out things that would send any child into a closet to question the skeletons of the past. My point will be made at the end of my soapbox time., BTW. Mama raised all of us by herself. Struggling, working as much as possible. = Even my siblings tell me of the hard times we all had, to comfort me = during my teenage years, as I too, was the one to be the bridge between = bills with your usual teenage jobs. This is the reason i had to put my = desire to study piano to become an organist on the back burner. I think = keeping the lights on in the house was more important than me learning the = next easy play from the Adult Bastien series. So, I had to teach myself = stuff. Mama was delcared dissabled to work when i was three years old. = Yet, at 50, she went back to work as a biscuit baker at a = Popeyes...because I wanted a Violin and to be a musician. That was the = greatest thing she ever gave me. From a $90.00 student violin to 45 minute = organ recitals and hymn-festivals where is make $1200.00, I can't thank = God any more for giving me the mother that I have. Mama still at 65, after two knee replacement, the death of two children in = less than 5 years, 9 nervous breaks-down since losing my two siblings, to = this day wishes she could work so that we both could put me thru a good = organ program. But this is all on me...finding the best for my change and = dollars. College aint cheap, y'all, and the stronger organ programs are = often no less than 25K a year. But, still, I have started to sit down, = really think hard and logically on what will be the best situation for me. = Finding a college within a large city or no more than a half hour away is = what i want. Because I would financially be able to complete school. The = job opportunities are far better for someone who might be studying at = Peabody in Baltimore or at Hunter College CUNY in Manhattan than someone = studying at a school in rural Kansas. In my young 25 years on earth I have experienced a lot of hell. I have had = to do a lot of things I did not want to do. Im still probobaly going to = have to do things I don't want to do, like when it comes to school. I know = that my heart wants a degree in Sacred Music with organ as the = concentration. I know that there are only a few Non-Sectarian colleges = that offer that. I also know that in the South, the church opportunities = are better...more people go to church in the south. I know that I am = afraid to go back south sometimes because racism still abounds. (The = Methodist Church would not put out a documentary called Mississippi STILL = Burning if it were not. eh?) There are a lot of things I consider while preparing to continue my = education, regardless of some of the very snyde and rude remarks from some = listers here when I talk about it. I have to consider money, very, very = specialized health care (my respiratory health is not the best either), = and yes, I do have to consider places where there is a presence of African = Americans in this field. Even a colleague on this list who works for a big = organ company sold an organ to a place funded by an Alex Haley spin-off = and his boss had little comments to say about that. Lest we not forget = about the occasion my friend Monty here had with a particular builder for = his church. Sad, but true. Ok...now that I have said all that... God, in life has lessons to teach us. I learned my lesson big time here in = Chicago due to a very destitute situation that happened after my moving = here. It caused me to really swallow my pride, and to learn that there is = more to life. It showed be that regardless of the really trying times I = had growing up, that there was always, ALWAYS someone who was less = fortunate than me. It also taught me this...you can never say what you = will not do...because after all, it may be your life, but God is in = charge. God can guide you, and give you sense and fill your heart with = power to do things, but if you make decisions that are not really good for = you, there will be something to snap you back. One can never say what will = happen tomorrow and what they will or will not do. Thats the lesson I = learned. And when you think times have been the worst, just wait...no one = will die from this earth without the extreme situation that will make them = even more humble than before. Its scary, trust me. But you would come out just fine. Ok thats enough time on the soapbox... Hmmmm...Noel Jones why don't you get on up there! From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today!
(back) Subject: Estey Flower Pot Chests From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <email@example.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:00:26 -0500 I had to smile at the description of Estey Flower Pot chests...........I dismantled a discarded Estey chest and kept the modular "boxes" to use as "flower pots"--that is, they look like window boxes, but they will be used as planters along the sidewalk. I have the rackboards, too, and have toyed with placing them on the "flower pot" and having the flowers grow out of the pipe holes! Dennis Steckley "Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened."--Dr. Seuss
(back) Subject: Organs at closed Boston Parishes From: <DionDave@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:50:55 EDT The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston is in the process of closing 82 parishes. Some of them are old parishes and surely many have pipe organs. = Do any list members have information on these organs such as (1) are there any notable instruments threatened and (2) what might happen to the organs in = closed parishes? Thanks in advance for replies. Dave Dion
(back) Subject: RE: Organs at closed Boston Parishes From: "Daniel Hancock" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:45:02 -0500 I heard John Bishop suggest a month or two ago that he was rather busy at the Organ Clearing House due to an influx of organs from these closing parishes. I suppose he would know some specifics. =20 =20 There are many notable instruments in need of a good home on their website... =20 www.organclearinghouse.com <http://www.organclearinghouse.com/>=20 =20 Daniel Hancock=20 Springfield, Missouri =20 -----Original Message----- From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of DionDave@aol.com Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 12:51 PM To: email@example.com Subject: Organs at closed Boston Parishes =20 The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston is in the process of closing 82 parishes. Some of them are old parishes and surely many have pipe organs. Do any list members have information on these organs such as (1) are there any notable instruments threatened and (2) what might happen to the organs in closed parishes? Thanks in advance for replies. Dave Dion
(back) Subject: ORGAN VIDEO SEARCH From: "Paul F. Roy" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:52:55 -0700 Greetings, I'm trying to locate a video that I believe was produced by the Holtkamp Organ Firm. It journals an organ installation at a church located in the South, I believe. There is one segment which shows Chick Holtkamp = explaining types of action and pipe construction. I've also contacted the Holtkamp Organ Co., but in the meantime please send any info. my way. Much appreciated, PAUL ROY
(back) Subject: PIPE ORGAN VIDEO SEARCH From: "Paul F. Roy" <email@example.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:59:33 -0700 Greetings, I'm trying to locate a video that I believe was produced by the Holtkamp Organ Firm. It journals an organ installation at a church located in the South, I believe. There is one segment which shows Chick Holtkamp = explaining types of action and pipe construction. I've also contacted the Holtkamp Organ Co., but in the meantime please send any info. my way. Much appreciated, PAUL ROY
(back) Subject: RE: ORGAN VIDEO SEARCH From: "Michael David" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:11:58 -0500 Pulling Out All the Stops (from the AGO and available from them and OHS among others) has a segment on the installation of a new Holtkamp. I = don't think it "journals" anything, though. Michael -----Original Message----- From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]On Behalf Of Paul F. Roy Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 1:53 PM To: email@example.com Subject: ORGAN VIDEO SEARCH Greetings, I'm trying to locate a video that I believe was produced by the Holtkamp Organ Firm. It journals an organ installation at a church located in the South, I believe. There is one segment which shows Chick Holtkamp = explaining types of action and pipe construction. I've also contacted the Holtkamp Organ Co., but in the meantime please send any info. my way. Much appreciated, PAUL ROY
(back) Subject: RE: Apologies...Re: Patience... From: "Michael David" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:15:23 -0500 "the community is staying closer to traditional family values and = Christian conduct" What does this mean? Michael - who thought this list was about organs -----Original Message----- From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]On Behalf Of Mike Gettelman Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:32 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Apologies...Re: Patience... Yes Tom, but at least you know that if we are apologizing and having patience, the community is staying closer to traditional family values and Christian conduct, something we can all rejoice and be glad for. It gladdens my heart to see that our interaction is composed not only of razor sharp angularity and rigidly straight lines, but there are also some soft curves and gently rounded reversals that suggests there may be hope for all of us. Praise Be. Kindness has a chance.
(back) Subject: Don Don Kinnier Performs at Rochester Wurlitzer 4/23 on Oct. 16 (cross-posted) From: "Kenneth Evans" <email@example.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:21:38 -0400 RTOS is very pleased and proud to welcome Don Kinnier to perform at our Saturday evening, October 16 event. Don's presentation will start at 8 PM = in the NEW Auditorium Theatre, 875 East Main Street, Rochester, NY 14605. The inside doors will open at 7:15 PM. Tickets at only $15 each for non-members will be available at the box = office one hour before the concert. The combination of Kinnier's talent and our Wurlitzer 4/23 will guarantee an evening of outstanding theater organ entertainment. For much more information please visit our website at http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/ . Submitted by, Ken Evans, RTOS Director (past-President) firstname.lastname@example.org
(back) Subject: RE: Bolcom From: "Michael David" <email@example.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:18:29 -0500 The only commercial recording I have is a Gloria Dei Cantores CD titled "Organ Music of America 1891-1991". It's played by James Jordan at Church of the Advent. Amazon lists it as out of stock and it's not on the Paraclete Press website. I also have a private recording played by Chris Young of IU on our house organ. It's a better performance but our house organ wasn't built by Don Harrison. Neat piece! Michael -----Original Message----- From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com]On Behalf Of Glenda Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 2:46 AM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: Bolcom Has anyone recorded the Gospel Preludes Book 1, particularly the "What a Friend We Have in Jesus"? I know Martin Jean recorded Book 4, but so far did not find a recording of WAF in my search of the OHS catalog. Glenda Sutton firstname.lastname@example.org ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:email@example.com Administration: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:email@example.com> List-Digest: <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:email@example.com>
(back) Subject: October 17 organ recital x-posted From: "Robert Lind" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:26:06 -0500 I'm pasting this in from a Word document, so it won't align properly. Listmember Michael David helped in Googling and checking the dates of von Koch and Hovland. I assume both composers are very much alive, but if = anyone has information to the contrary, please let me know. If you spot other errors, please point them out. Tickets, at the door, are $8 adults, $6 students and seniors; children free. I think everyone will be thrilled by the quality and depth of this music, and I hope some people on these lists will be able to attend. Thanks. North Park Covenant Church 5250 North Christiana Avenue Chicago, Illinois 60625 Guest Recital Robert Lind, Organ Sunday, October 17, 2004, 7:00 PM Program Music from Scandinavia Praeludium in G Ferdinand Zellbell, the Elder (Sweden, 1689-1765) Allegro Marcato (Sonata in G Minor) J.P.E. Hartmann (Denmark, 1805-1900) Fugato (from Organ Symphony No. 1) Elfrida Andr=E9e (Sweden, 1841-1929) Two Short Pieces (29 Short Preludes, Op. 51) Carl Nielsen (Denmark, 1865-1931) Fantasie in C Minor, Op. 25 Hermann Berens (Sweden, 1826-1880) Gammal f=E4bodpsalm fr=E5n Dalarna Oskar = Lindberg (Sweden, 1887-1955) Preludium in c# Egil Hovland (Norway, b. 1924) Who Is This Host Arrayed in White Egil Hovland Sinfonia di Chiesa in D Johan Helmich = Roman (Sweden, 1694-1758) Sicilienne Erland von Koch (Sweden, b. 1910) Prelude in d#, Op. 56 Otto Olsson (Sweden, 1879-1964) Pr=E6ludium in E (BVN 410) Rued = Langgaard (Denmark, 1893-1952) Finale-Allegro con brio (Sonata in G Minor) Oskar Lindberg
(back) Subject: Re: Organs at closed Boston Parishes From: "John L. Speller" <email@example.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:43:12 -0500 The Archdiocese of St. Louis is closing more than 20 parishes in the = Greater St. Louis area as well. The final list has not been decided on yet. John Speller
(back) Subject: Double Brass Quintet and Organ From: "Bill Hauser" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:48:44 -0500 I'm forwarding this request from a horn list I'm on. I thought of the helpful folks on this list when I saw it. I assume by 'closing number' he means postlude. Beyond that, I have no specifics (playing time, style, etc). Any suggestions, send to me and I'll forward them on. Thanks. Bill Hauser email@example.com --- My quintet and I are playing at Grace Cathedral in San Francisco with the Pacific Union College brass quintet on Sunday November 7. We would like to play a closing number with the new organist there. Does anyone have any recommendations for a piece to play? Sean ---
(back) Subject: St Johns Anglican Church Lunenburg NS UPDATE!!! From: "Daniel Hopkins" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 18:05:01 -0300 St . Johns Anglican Church has come a long way since the devestating = fire that destroyed it Halloween 2001 Anyone interested can go to there restoration website www.stjohnsrestoration.com from there you can look at updated pictures of the work in progress or allready completed also a link to the world momuments site where there is pictures of inside and outside of the in progress restoration. you may want to install = Quicktime in order to go on a virtual tour of the building. its pretty amazing. you can even look in the organ chambers on either side of the chancel and can see men actually working on the mouldings of the church hope ya all enjoy. sincerely Danielwh
(back) Subject: Re: the OFF TOPIC Shoe Dropping - PIPECHATTERS AGAINST SOCIAL INJUSTICE From: "noel jones" <email@example.com> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:49:48 -0400 This conversation has taken more turns than a Rocky Mountain highway... Desiree's comments need to viewed from both sides. At the present time we are very pleased to have been selected to design an organ for a major organization with it's main offices in Washington DC involved in needed social change and enlightenment. All those above me in the company I work for and those with the organization have all delighted in exploring our backgrounds, differing in social and ethnic backgrounds, color of skin, education and so on. During these discussions we have related the errors of the past that we have seen and experienced and been surprised at misconceptions within and without. If and when the organ is purchased I will be excited to provide details of it and future programs. It is sad to hear stories of continuing racial prejudice. The organ world has been integrated longer than most people think with stellar musicians such as Eugene Hancock presiding at St. John the Divine in the 1960's. I was brought to my current location to interface a new Rodgers Console with a late 1890's Erben that had been electrified in the 1950's for a church that is led musically by an internationally famous African American musician with Doctorate from NYU at a time when he was not allowed to walk across the campus of the college in his hometown. The owners and employees company that brought me here and which I am continue to be a part of are very proud of their relationship with African American congregations going back 40 years, during which time they represented Hammond Organs and they continue to maintain close ties with those churches. Now Catholics, that's a different story! (Ok, a joke, ok?) This all started with Bud's situation. I haven't sent Bud any money. I am a bit offended that he is using the list to ask for money. However, Bud has made part of his life the preservation of a very special area of musical/religious interest and as a result, among other things, he is out of a job due to actions of the congregation he was helping to elevate....we should be writing that denomination asking them to get off their...well, you know what I mean. -- noel jones