PipeChat Digest #4820 - Tuesday, October 12, 2004
 
Re: Paris Questions
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
Re: Paris Questions
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
Photographers!
  by "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net>
Paris Questions
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Hymn Tempos
  by "cc" <belcanto@brainerd.net>
Re: Off-Topic: Pride and Priviledge
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
organ in the news
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
RE: "Arrival of the Queen of Sheba"
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Paris Questions
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Hymn Tempos
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
RE: Hymn Tempos
  by "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net>
RE: Hymn Tempos
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Re: "Arrival of the Queen of Sheba"
  by "Scott Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com>
Re: Paris Questions
  by "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com>
Re: Photographers!
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Paris Questions
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Felix Hell in New Zealand:  Newspaper Review
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: Hymn Tempos
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: Photographers!
  by "Sam Vause" <vause@cox.net>
Re: Hymn tempos
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Re: Glenda's Comment & Paul's oldest municipal organ
  by "Nancy Nystul" <popel@sover.net>
Re: Concert in VT, 11/20/04 x-post
  by "Nancy Nystul" <popel@sover.net>
Re: Glenda's Comment & Paul's oldest municipal organ
  by "Nancy Nystul" <popel@sover.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Paris Questions From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:15:17 -0500   So far as organs are concerned I would say St. Sulpice would have to be at the top of the list.   But don't neglect some of the smaller organs as well. Not far from Paris = at Vanves is an especially interesting 4 rank Cavaill=E9-Coll. Built in 1871 = the little Orgue de chour at St. R=E9my, Vanves, was Cavaill=E9-Coll's Op. = 381. It has one manual and the following stops:   Basse:   8' Montre 8' Bourdon 4' Prestant 8' Trompette   Diskant:   8' Montre 8' Fl=FBte harmonique 4' Prestant 8' Trompette   Accessories:   Appel Prestant Renvoi Prestant   This has to be the most remarkable 4 rank organ ever built, and sounds = like 40 ranks or more.   John Speller      
(back) Subject: Re: Paris Questions From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:31:46 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Paris Questions     > My guess is that the C-C organ at Notre Dame, is not his best effort. = St. > Sulpice is considered by most to be a superior instrument, as well as = St. > Ouen, and maybe a few others.   Cavaill=E9-Coll originally proposed a rather different layout for Notre = Dame, including a R=FCckpositiv case for the Positif (or Positif de Dos, as one might say), and with the pipes in the main case arranged in a way that = would have allowed better egress of sound. Whether he changed his mind about = this in the construction stages or was forced by the authorities to do so, I am not sure. In any case less than perfect egress of sound has always been a problem and this has been compounded by the addition of extra ranks over = the years that have blocked the sound even more. In addition, the tonal = changes that have been made over the years have to some extent changed the = character of the instrument, and so it does not sound the way Cavaill=E9-Coll left = it. The instrument has also, of course, been electrocuted and fitted with all mod cons, but that probably hasn't affected the sound as much as the tonal changes. Notre Dame was a fine instrument when built, although not = perhaps quite as fine as St. Ouen, Rouen; St. Sulpice, Paris, etc. The Notre Dame organ has, however, been changed to a degree that it is debatable whether = it ought still to be called a Cavaill=E9-Coll organ at all. By contrast, St. Sulpice sounded better when it was built and has not been messed about = with over the years.   John Speller      
(back) Subject: Photographers! From: "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:28:40 -0500 (GMT-05:00)   I was laughing at Harry's rant about photographers. I moved this summer = to a church in an Illinois suburb of St. Louis. At every wedding I've = played so far (it's been about six), the photographer has come RIGHT UP = INTO THE CHANCEL TO THE CONSOLE while I was playing the prelude, jockeyed = around for a shot and then taken it with a blinding flash. (The first time = he came up and took the shot from directly behind me. Besides the fact = that he was able to sneak up on me unaware and gave me quite a start, I = thought "What kind of a shot is that?? My butt spread out on this = bench???") This last time, I had a simultaneous mental flash in which I = saw myself crashing a chord down, then lifting my hands from the keyboard = in mock fright, turning around on the bench and yelling "You scared the = CRAP OUTA ME, don't EVER, EVER, EVER do that to an organist again!!!" Do = you think that would be effective? Ha. Chuck Peery Cincinnati  
(back) Subject: Paris Questions From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:37:43 -0400   On 10/11/04 9:43 PM, "Sam Vause" <vause@cox.net> wrote:   > I would imagine any number of cathedrals would have a lovely midnight mas= s > on Christmas eve...   Yes. Roman, Russian, Greek=8Bperhaps not a lot more. The last two probably sans organ. I don't KNOW whether there are any more. On the other hand, i= =3D n New York City, where there are over a dozen cathedrals, if you wanted the smashingest Christmas Eve mass (musically), you=B9d probably NOT pick even one of them. That MIGHT easily be the case in Paris as well.   Alan=20    
(back) Subject: Re: Hymn Tempos From: "cc" <belcanto@brainerd.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:58:58 -0500   The Christian Science Hymnal has tempo indications for all of the hymns in the back of the book. Are there any other hymnals that do this? I = haven't seen any others that include this.   Carla C      
(back) Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Pride and Priviledge From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:58:11 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   I like NASCAR racing around the OVALS....hate poker unless......let's not go there!   For those who can actually drive very, very fast, NASCAR is quite fascinating. There's a lot going on to those who understand such things.   Rant over.....back to the Trio Sonata....same old boring imitations, same old flutes!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:   > One of the many, many reasons the rest of the > world so bitterly hates > Americans is their simultaneous idolization and > resentment of the same things.   > It is no wonder that when entire television > channels are devoted solely > to watching others play poker, or drive NASCAR > vehicles in circles     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail  
(back) Subject: organ in the news From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:17:57 -0400   There's an article in today's New York Times about the new fine arts = center at Notre Dame University, which includes "an unusual 100-seat hall for = organ and choral works that has a $1 million handcrafted 2,551-pipe organ = suitable for presenting liturgical music."   http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/12/arts/12dame.html?oref=3Dlogin     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: RE: "Arrival of the Queen of Sheba" From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:31:56 -0500   There is a version in one of the Oxford books - if no one else on the list can provide it, please e-mail me and I can find it.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Shirley   I am in dire need of "Queen of Sheba" for an upcoming wedding. Yes, the bride wants it for her processional, and will not be talked out of it.   So I need to learn it.   Thing is, I can't find it anywhere for organ.          
(back) Subject: Re: Paris Questions From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:03:18 -0700   The Russian Orthodox Cathedral in Paris used to be (may still be) quite famous for its choir, as Paris was where a great many of the surviving members of the Russian Royal Family, the Russian Court, the Russian nobility, and their retainers and servants fled after 1918 (remember, the Russian Court and the nobility spoke French), and the cathedral was heavily endowed by those who managed to get out with their fortunes intact, or had the foresight to have them transferred to French banks ahead of the Revolution.   I believe there is still a Pretender, Czar Nicholas the ??? ... a cousin (?) ... or did he die recently?   British royal weddings and funerals used to be notable for their "family reunions" of all the throneless Pretenders of Europe (since many of them were descended from Victoria and Albert), but I recall someone remarking that they've been notably absent in recent years. I recall at least one of the younger generation saying he had no intention of taking up the title, but I don't remember which one. Wasn't there a discussion of all this in the coverage of Princess Diana's funeral?   Cheers,   Bud           Alan Freed wrote:   > On 10/11/04 9:43 PM, "Sam Vause" <vause@cox.net> wrote: > > > I would imagine any number of cathedrals would have a lovely midnight =   > mass > > on Christmas eve... > > Yes. Roman, Russian, Greek=97perhaps not a lot more. The last two = probably > sans organ. I don't KNOW whether there are any more. On the other > hand, i=3D > n New York City, where there are over a dozen cathedrals, if you wanted = the > smashingest Christmas Eve mass (musically), you=92d probably NOT pick = even > one of them. That MIGHT easily be the case in Paris as well. > > Alan      
(back) Subject: Re: Hymn Tempos From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:04:29 -0700   The English Hymnal of 1906, edited by Ralph Vaughan Williams. The tempi are SLOW (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   cc wrote:   > The Christian Science Hymnal has tempo indications for all of the hymns = in > the back of the book. Are there any other hymnals that do this? I = haven't > seen any others that include this. > > Carla C > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: RE: Hymn Tempos From: "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:03:34 -0500   The Hymnal 1982 (Episcopal) has tempo indications for each tune.     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of cc Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:59 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Hymn Tempos     The Christian Science Hymnal has tempo indications for all of the hymns in the back of the book. Are there any other hymnals that do this? I = haven't seen any others that include this.        
(back) Subject: RE: Hymn Tempos From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:16:31 -0400   The accompaniment edition of the Hymnal 1982 has metronome markings.   > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [SMTP:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of = cc > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 2:59 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: Hymn Tempos >=20 > The Christian Science Hymnal has tempo indications for all of the = hymns in > the back of the book. Are there any other hymnals that do this? I = haven't > seen any others that include this. >=20  
(back) Subject: Re: "Arrival of the Queen of Sheba" From: "Scott Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:31:51 -0500   Queen of Sheba, in the Oxford book is the Wedding Album. Tricky little piece but not too hard. Scott Montgomery 619 W Church St. Champaign, IL 61820 217.390.0158 www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net    
(back) Subject: Re: Paris Questions From: "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:43:12 -0700     ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> > The Parisian organ "powers that are" were offered a museum-quality=20 > restoration of the Notre Dame organ to its original Cavaille-Coll state a= s=20 > one of the options before the last rebuild; sadly, they chose further=20 > changes, additions, computers, and solid-state gear instead. The Positif= =20 > case remains in storage. > > Notre Dame and St. Clotilde ceased to be Cavaille-Coll organs quite some= =20 > time ago. Notre Dame has been electrocuted, and rebuilt at least twice; I= =20 > understand that it sounds better than it has in years following the secon= d=20 > rebuild, but it cannot be called a Cavaille-Coll by any stretch of the=20 > imagination.   In the wonderful Pierre Cochereau DVD available from OHS, he maintains=20 STRONGLY that as of the date when he was speaking, all of the changes he=20 instigated in the instrument (and the present specification is much the sam= e=20 as it was at the time of his death in 1984, although the console and=20 mechanism is completely new) were additions to the Cavaill=E9-Coll pipework= ,=20 and no changes of any sort were made to the existing stops: "C'est la m=EAm= e=20 harmonisation! Nous n'avons strictement rien chang=E9. Nous nous sommes=20 efforc=E9s au contraire de conserver tous les tuyaux -- m=EAme ceux quie en= =20 avaient besoin ont =E9t=E9 r=E9par=E9s. Mais nous avons exactement le m=EAm= e mat=E9riel=20 sonore...c'est exactement tel que Vierne et Saint-Martin l'ont jou=E9 ces= =20 derni=E8res ann=E9es." (The voicing is the same. We changed nothing at all.= On=20 the contrary, we strove to keep all the pipes, even those that needed=20 repair. We have exactly the same sonic ingredients ... exactly as when=20 Vierne and Saint-Martin played it these last years.)   When you hear the foundations, flutes, and those unique cornets with=20 Septi=E8mes at three octaves, you hear authentic Cavaill=E9-Coll sounds, an= d not=20 even St.-Sulpice has those septi=E8mes. Obviously, full organ, particularly= =20 with the chamades, is a different matter.   Much as I admire St.-Sulpice, as I said in the summer of 2003, a visit to= =20 the loft of Notre Dame made a believer of me. Heard from the tribune, it is= =20 the most thrilling organ sound I've ever experienced. I'd certainly write t= o=20 the cathedral organists to find out if a visit to the loft is possible whil= e=20 you're there.   What a great thing to win! Lucky you!   MAF   Wh  
(back) Subject: Re: Photographers! From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:51:18 EDT   How about photographers who think that organ pipes are coat hooks, or that =   they can weave their power cords through mixtures to keep them from = slipping?  
(back) Subject: Re: Paris Questions From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:15:38 -0700           > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> > >> The Parisian organ "powers that are" were offered a museum-quality >> restoration of the Notre Dame organ to its original Cavaille-Coll >> state as one of the options before the last rebuild; sadly, they chose >> further changes, additions, computers, and solid-state gear instead. >> The Positif case remains in storage. >> >> Notre Dame and St. Clotilde ceased to be Cavaille-Coll organs quite >> some time ago. Notre Dame has been electrocuted, and rebuilt at least >> twice; I understand that it sounds better than it has in years >> following the second rebuild, but it cannot be called a Cavaille-Coll >> by any stretch of the imagination. > > M Fox wrote:   > In the wonderful Pierre Cochereau DVD available from OHS, he maintains > STRONGLY that as of the date when he was speaking, all of the changes he =   > instigated in the instrument (and the present specification is much the > same as it was at the time of his death in 1984, although the console > and mechanism is completely new) were additions to the Cavaill=E9-Coll > pipework, and no changes of any sort were made to the existing stops: > "C'est la m=EAme harmonisation! Nous n'avons strictement rien chang=E9. = Nous > nous sommes efforc=E9s au contraire de conserver tous les tuyaux -- = m=EAme > ceux quie en avaient besoin ont =E9t=E9 r=E9par=E9s. Mais nous avons = exactement > le m=EAme mat=E9riel sonore...c'est exactement tel que Vierne et > Saint-Martin l'ont jou=E9 ces derni=E8res ann=E9es." (The voicing is the = same. > We changed nothing at all. On the contrary, we strove to keep all the > pipes, even those that needed repair. We have exactly the same sonic > ingredients ... exactly as when Vierne and Saint-Martin played it these > last years.) > > When you hear the foundations, flutes, and those unique cornets with > Septi=E8mes at three octaves, you hear authentic Cavaill=E9-Coll sounds, = and > not even St.-Sulpice has those septi=E8mes. Obviously, full organ, > particularly with the chamades, is a different matter. > > Much as I admire St.-Sulpice, as I said in the summer of 2003, a visit > to the loft of Notre Dame made a believer of me. Heard from the tribune, =   > it is the most thrilling organ sound I've ever experienced. I'd > certainly write to the cathedral organists to find out if a visit to the =   > loft is possible while you're there. > > What a great thing to win! Lucky you! > > MAF > > Wh >   When Fenner Douglass was writing his books, he ran into the war zone between the older organists on the Commission ... Dupre, Marchal, etc. who favored electrification and modification ... Dupre had Guilmant's house organ considerably enlarged and electrified for his salon ... and the "young Turks," who disliked Gonzalez' work INTENSELY ... Gonzalez' tinkering indeed DID result in the debacle which preceded the present organ at St. Eustache.   Oddly, Dupre wouldn't let anybody monkey with St. Sulpice, though, perhaps out of reverence for Widor.   In any case, someone who had occasion to climb around in Notre Dame's organ during the Cochereau years told me that the pipes were so jammed in as a result of the additions, some of the C-C ranks couldn't be REACHED to be TUNED.   Yes, legend had it that there WAS some sort of switch on the console to cancel all but the C-C ranks.   The account of the last rebuild also tells the story of putting the chorus mixtures BACK to their original compositions after Cochereau had CHANGED them, with one exception, I believe. If you look in the archives of "The Tracker," the last rebuild was documented in some detail.   The Positif de Dos case at Notre Dame (in storage) dates from an earlier organ ... I don't recall the details, but I think the cathedral authorities wanted it removed, for whatever reason, so C-C was forced to place the Positif inside the main case. As at St. Sulpice, he said later that he greatly regretted doing so ... the empty Positif case at St. Sulpice conceals the console.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Felix Hell in New Zealand: Newspaper Review From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:37:22 -0400     Here is a link to a newspaper review of Felix Hell's concert at the Town Hall auditorium in Christchurch, New Zealand.   http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/thepress/0,2106,3056643a6535,00.html   At the bottom of the article there is a link to more information about the Rieger organ.   Mike Gettelman    
(back) Subject: Re: Hymn Tempos From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:50:40 -0400   =3D  
(back) Subject: RE: Photographers! From: "Sam Vause" <vause@cox.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:59:07 -0700   Mixtures slip? Where to? --sam   :->   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of TubaMagna@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 2:51 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Photographers!     How about photographers who think that organ pipes are coat hooks, or that they can weave their power cords through mixtures to keep them from slipping?   ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>      
(back) Subject: Re: Hymn tempos From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:35:48 +0800   And don't even be think of playing A. Va=ADler=ADius' "Wilt Heden Nu Treden= " at the tempo Americans churches tend to sing "We Gather Together." Figure= about 2/3 or 1/2 the speed and you'd be getting close.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Re: Hymn tempos Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:23:45 -0500   >=20 > Has anyone heard the Dutch sing hymns? Very slow, very majestic, very=20 > powerful. Strong tempos are good. There is nothing worse than hearing a= =20 > hymn with 16'-mixture played very fast. It ruins the whole sound. > Scott Montgomery > 619 W Church St. > Champaign, IL 61820 > 217.390.0158 > www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net >=20 >=20 > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >=20 >=20       -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: Re: Glenda's Comment & Paul's oldest municipal organ From: "Nancy Nystul" <popel@sover.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:30:01 -0400   Yes, that was me, looking for info. That's why I'm hedging the claim all around- the Shrewsbury Johnson has always been owned by the town. Any idea when the Madison church became the town hall? I'll bet it was long after the Shrewsbury Johnson went in!   Still looking for an older, extant, original municipal organ (in the US- I know the Brits have a few!)   Paul   First Christian Church of Casey, IL wrote:   > > >Paul Opel, it was either here or Piporg-L a few months ago that there was = a >discussion about the oldest municipal organ. The Johnson in the Madison, >Indiana town hall (original installation, but was ONLY a church at first; >later sold to the town) is older than the one you mentioned, but IIRC = there >were several organs mentioned considerably older than that one. > > >Dennis Steckley >Lover of Cats, Pipe Organs & 1940-65 Sewing Machines > > >****************************************************************** >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >      
(back) Subject: Re: Concert in VT, 11/20/04 x-post From: "Nancy Nystul" <popel@sover.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:33:28 -0400   Yeah, but it's in the UK- I should have said "In the USA".   Harry Grove wrote:   > You might like to get in touch with Kidderminster and the *Hill Organ > Promotion Society - who have similar claims in mind - and whose organ > will shortly be undergoing refurbishment, along with the Town Hal = itself. > Town Organist - Tim Morris <tim_morris@assocs1.freeserve.co.uk> > > *Dedicated to promoting the Organ, built by William Hill, in > Kidderminster Town Hall > This Voluntary Organisation, established in 1993, is chaired by Tim > Morris - the Kidderminster Town Hall Organist .. > This instrument is a fine example of William Hill's work, built in > 1855, being one of the earliest examples of a 'municipal instrument .. > located in a Civic Building'. The full specification of the instrument > is available upon request. > > Harry Grove [a.k.a. a local musicman] > > ________________________________________ > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Cc: <PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu> > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:41 AM > Subject: Concert in VT, 11/20/04 x-post > > >> >> This organ was given to the town of Shrewsbury in 1867, at which time = the >> ceiling of the church was raised to a barrel vault from flat, by a >> gentleman who wanted his daughter to have a proper wedding with an = organ. >> The church is in the upper floor of the Town Hall, so the organ is >> technically owned by the town- as far as I know, this makes it the = oldest >> extant municipal organ in the country, unaltered, unmoved, and still >> under >> the original ownership. Please correct me if I'm wrong- but it's a nice >> claim to be able to make! >> > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >      
(back) Subject: Re: Glenda's Comment & Paul's oldest municipal organ From: "Nancy Nystul" <popel@sover.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:33:45 -0400       First Christian Church of Casey, IL wrote:   >Glenda said, "that doesn't make you a bad person, as a former public >defender friend used to say about his >ax-murdering clients." > >Reminds me, Glenda, of the story of the man who murdered his parents, = then >pleaded for mercy because he was an orphan! > >Paul Opel, it was either here or Piporg-L a few months ago that there was = a >discussion about the oldest municipal organ. The Johnson in the Madison, >Indiana town hall (original installation, but was ONLY a church at first; >later sold to the town) is older than the one you mentioned, but IIRC = there >were several organs mentioned considerably older than that one. > > >Dennis Steckley >Lover of Cats, Pipe Organs & 1940-65 Sewing Machines > > >****************************************************************** >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >