PipeChat Digest #4822 - Wednesday, October 13, 2004
 
Re: Pisgah
  by "mpm1927op4933" <mpm1927op4933@yahoo.com>
Re: Photographers!
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Photographers!
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: Photographers!
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Photographers!
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: Photographers!
  by "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net>
Re: Photographers!
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: Photographers!
  by "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net>
Re: Photographers!
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Photographers!
  by "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net>
Re: Photographers!
  by <TheOrganst@aol.com>
Dealing with jerks (was: Photographers!)
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
RE: Photographers!
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
Re: Dealing with jerks (was: Photographers!)
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: Dealing with jerks (was: Photographers!)
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
vocalion
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
RE: vocalion
  by "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com>
AGO
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
RE: AGO
  by "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com>
Re: vocalion
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Pisgah From: "mpm1927op4933" <mpm1927op4933@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 03:51:52 -0700 (PDT)   The Hymn Fake Book (Hal Leonard, 2000) has Pisgah on p. 471. It says, "Traditional Americal melody from Kentucky Harmony, 1816." Words by Issac Watts (1674-1748): "When I can read my title clear". Key of G.   Scott       _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Photographers! From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:48:42 -0500   It was a case of a substitute priest who, I gathered, was already annoyed with the couple, and a substitute organist who had inherited the regular organist's annoyance with the couple. It seemed that the priest didn't care what happened as long as those 2 got married. Had the pastor been there, I think things would have been different since he would have been able to state parish policy on photography. The other wedding I played there was reverent and beautiful, though in Vietnamese so someone had to tell me when to play.   Alicia Zeilenga   > So why didn't anyone tell him to stop? My wife (an Episcopal priest) > always > starts weddings by asking that there should not be any photography > during > the service, not only because it detracts from the solemn occasion, but > because it is very offputting to the bride and groom (who are probably > nervous enough in any case.) She adds that she will be happy to help > "stage" as many pictures as anyone likes after the ceremony. On a > number of > occasions the bride and groom have thanked her after the service for > doing > this. > > John Speller, > St. Mark's, St. Louis.      
(back) Subject: Re: Photographers! From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:57:08 -0500   Unfortunately there is no nice way to deal with arrogance and jerkiness. The same problem is encountered at organ programs when some jerk flashes away during the program, including blinding the = poor organist when he/she is trying to make program comments.     jch      
(back) Subject: Re: Photographers! From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:09:28 -0400   on 10/13/04 10:57 AM, jch at opus1100@catoe.org wrote:   > Unfortunately there is no nice way to deal with arrogance and jerkiness. > The same problem is encountered at organ programs > when some jerk flashes away during the program, including blinding the = poor > organist when he/she is trying to make > program comments. > > > jch   Actually, I'd be flattered if someone wanted to take picture during one of my organ recitals! Press coverage? That would be heavenly.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: Photographers! From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:34:21 -0500   At 10:09 AM 10/13/2004, you wrote: >Actually, I'd be flattered if someone wanted to take picture during one = of >my organ recitals! Press coverage? That would be heavenly.   Obviously you have all your music memorized and having a flash circle on your eyeball wouldn't be a problem<g>   jch,            
(back) Subject: Re: Photographers! From: "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:39:44 -0400   I don't think Randolph -- or any organist -- would want to be photographed during a recital if it happened in the manner I've witnessed. Picture this: a detached console on stage; organist's back to the audience. In the middle of a piece, the photographer walks up on stage, goes in back of the console, and photographs the organist's face -- with flash. And then in the same venue, different concert: a TV photographer walks up onstage, camera in hand, with multiple high powered spotlights blazing, and proceeds to walk around the console/organist multiple times taking video pics continuously. On that one, the organist finally had to stop and ask the photographer to leave. There ARE limits, I think!   Steve Best in Utica, NY   Randolph Runyon wrote:   > > >> >> > >Actually, I'd be flattered if someone wanted to take picture during one = of >my organ recitals! Press coverage? That would be heavenly. > > >Randy Runyon >Music Director >Zion Lutheran Church >Hamilton, Ohio >runyonr@muohio.edu > > > >****************************************************************** >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Photographers! From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:46:21 -0500   At 10:39 AM 10/13/2004, you wrote: > And then in the same venue, different concert: a TV photographer walks =   > up onstage, camera in hand, with multiple high powered spotlights > blazing, and proceeds to walk around the console/organist multiple times =   > taking video pics continuously.   Having worked in TV broadcasting for twenty years I know those folks march =   to a different drummer.....the NEWS is the only thing that matters...your example is annoying, but what really angers me is the TV reporter with camera man, lights blazing behind, shoving a microphone = in the face of a grieving mother whose child has just died, asking "How do = you feel?".....DUH...what happened to responsible journalism? Sorry to go off topic, but that comment just hit a sensitive nerve.   Jon      
(back) Subject: Re: Photographers! From: "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:55:48 -0400   Jon says "the NEWS is the only thing that matters" to TV cameramen. At the recital I mentioned, it was the cameraman's antics that became the news, not the recital. Of course, we didn't see any headlines like "TV camerman disrupts organ recital" or "Organist blinded by camera lights."   Steve Best in Utica, NY   jch wrote:   > At 10:39 AM 10/13/2004, you wrote: > >> And then in the same venue, different concert: a TV photographer >> walks up onstage, camera in hand, with multiple high powered >> spotlights blazing, and proceeds to walk around the console/organist >> multiple times taking video pics continuously. > > > Having worked in TV broadcasting for twenty years I know those folks > march to a different drummer.....the NEWS is the only thing that = matters..        
(back) Subject: Re: Photographers! From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:52:53 -0400   << TV photographer walks up onstage, camera in hand, with multiple high = powered spotlights blazing, and proceeds to walk around the = console/organist multiple times taking video pics continuously. On that = one, the organist finally had to stop and ask the photographer to leave. = >>   was there spontaneous applause from the audience? :)  
(back) Subject: Re: Photographers! From: "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:02:27 -0400   There was indeed spontaneous applause from the audience once the organist asked the photographer to leave, and even more when the organist demonstrated his ability to recover from such an incredible distraction.   BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote:   ><< TV photographer walks up onstage, camera in hand, with multiple high = powered spotlights blazing, and proceeds to walk around the = console/organist multiple times taking video pics continuously. On that = one, the organist finally had to stop and ask the photographer to leave. = >> > >was there spontaneous applause from the audience? :) > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Photographers! From: <TheOrganst@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:13:35 EDT   I am the director of Wedding music and organist (weddings only) for a = large church that does 2 to 4 weddings every weekend. This is not my Sunday position, I'm there strictly for weddings and memorials. Our brides sign a contract allowing one (1) still photographer and one (1) = videographer. They can move around freely during the prelude and entrance = of the guests, but just prior to the candle lighting, they are escorted up = to the balcony where they must remain during the entire ceremony. We offer a professional videographer as part of the contract who is a member of our = staff. We do not allow flash or artificial lighting of any kind. Our wedding = hostesses instruct any guest that they see with a camera, that no pictures are = allowed during the service. No guest is allowed in the church with a video camera. = Any part of the service can be reenacted afterwards for picture sake. Our hostesses will confront anyone they see disrupting the service with cameras, cell phones etc. This may sound strict but we do not have the problems that I've been = reading about here and our brides are fully aware that they have signed a = contract to this effect. Kyle B. Irwin Director of Wedding Music - Wedding Organist - Santa Anita Church Organist - First Baptist Church of Los Angeles  
(back) Subject: Dealing with jerks (was: Photographers!) From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:56:17 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)   On 10/13/04 @ 09:58:56, J.C. H. wrote: -------Original Message------- Unfortunately there is no nice way to deal with arrogance and jerkiness. The same problem is encountered at organ programs Sure there is! I just pull out my pocket knife and start eyeing the blade and running my finger up and down the edge to see if I can draw a little blood with my tongue hanging out and a little drool accompanying it. Then I pretend I'm going to use it for "target practice"; feigning throwing it. Sorta graphic? Yeah, maybe, but you'd be AMAZED the affect it has on folks nearby, in terms of making them behave themselves! And all this without so much as saying a word. . . Faithfully, G.A.  
(back) Subject: RE: Photographers! From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:59:05 +0100   The funniest incident I remember from an organ concert was a Theatre = Organ Concert at the Odeon Cinema in Birmingham (UK). Various artists were performing, and when the late great George Blackmore was at the console, = a guy who was sitting in the audience, in the front row, got up from his = seat. He must have been a bit "sixpence in the shilling" as we say, translated = "a pork pie short of a picnic". He started dancing about and playing a = Kazoo. George suddenly stopped in mid-quickstep medley, turned and shouted, = "Don't be so BLOODY RUDE!" He then turned back to the console and carried on as = if nothing had happened. The Kazooist was ushered out by the security = people!   Will Light Coventry UK   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of BlueeyedBear@aol.com Sent: 13 October 2004 17:53 To: "PipeChat" Subject: Re: Photographers!   << TV photographer walks up onstage, camera in hand, with multiple high powered spotlights blazing, and proceeds to walk around the = console/organist multiple times taking video pics continuously. On that one, the = organist finally had to stop and ask the photographer to leave. >>   was there spontaneous applause from the audience? :)   ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>    
(back) Subject: Re: Dealing with jerks (was: Photographers!) From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:38:12 -0500   At 12:56 PM 10/13/2004, you wrote: >Sure there is! > >I just pull out my pocket knife and start eyeing the blade and running my >finger up and down the edge to see if I can draw a little blood with my >tongue hanging out and a little drool accompanying it. Then I pretend I'm >going to use it for "target practice"; feigning throwing it. >   My have a terrific effect during your sales pitch to an organ committee<g>   jch      
(back) Subject: Re: Dealing with jerks (was: Photographers!) From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:44:28 -0500   At 12:56 PM 10/13/2004, you wrote: >Sure there is! > >I just pull out my pocket knife and start eyeing the blade and running my >finger up and down the edge to see if I can draw a little blood with my >tongue hanging out and a little drool accompanying it. Then I pretend I'm >going to use it for "target practice"; feigning throwing it. >   MUST have a terrific effect during your sales pitch to an organ = committee<g>   jch      
(back) Subject: vocalion From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:50:23 -0400   anybody ever heard of an instrument called a vocalion? a personal = recollection in the written early history of my church states:   "another triumph attending the entry into our new building [ca. 1890s] was = our vocalion, a movable instrument that stands somewhere between a = cottage-organ and a pipe-organ. ours was furnished with a man-power pump = behind."   i'm assuming that the cottage organ would have been a regular reed organ, = but i'm stumped as to what a vocalion is.   anybody?   scot  
(back) Subject: RE: vocalion From: "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:04:14 -0500   =20   anybody ever heard of an instrument called a vocalion? a personal recoll= ection in the written early history of my church states:   =20   "another triumph attending the entry into our new building [ca. 1890s] wa= s our vocalion, a movable instrument that stands somewhere between a cott= age-organ and a pipe-organ. ours was furnished with a man-power pump beh= ind."   =20   i'm assuming that the cottage organ would have been a regular reed organ,= but i'm stumped as to what a vocalion is. =20   =20   anybody?   =20   =20   The vocalion was a sort of glorified reed organ. You might say it was th= e type of instrument that represented the pinnacle of reed-organ building= =2E Unlike smaller cottage and church reed organs, the vocalions had man= y more sets of reeds, some of them quite striking in their voicing. Many= had multiple manuals, a pedal-clavier, swell and crescendo shoes, and ev= en pedal movements for combination actions. Some were pumped by hand, by= foot, both, or by electricity.=20   I think the real distinguishing factor, however, was that in a vocalion t= he reeds spoke into resonating chambers intended for the purpose of refin= ing the tone to more closely resemble that of wind-blown pipes. One exam= ple I've seen even had "banks" (sets, or ranks, if you like) of reeds sta= cked on top of one another behind a pipe fa=E7ade in the upper half of th= e instrument. Between the fa=E7ade and the reeds was a set of expression= shutters.=20   =20   You can see pictures of instruments at the following links:   =20   http://www.reedsoc.org/organs/masonandrischvocalion.htm   http://www.reedsoc.org/organs/masonandrischvocalion.htm   =20   Following is a quote from http://www.reedsoc.org/RepairV2/introduction.ht= m that explains in terms of the human voice how the modifying chambers in= a vocalion organ work:   =20   "Your lungs provide the pressure (the lower action) Your glottal stop is the valve operated by each key Your vocal cords create the vibrations (as do the reeds) Your mouth is the chamber into which the reed speaks ("formative", in aco= ustic-talk) Your lips are the mute that shuts the sound on and off.   That formative is important. Just as you change the timbre of your voice = by constantly re-shaping your mouth, the cavity into which a reed speaks = can have a marked effect on the final sound (along with matters having to= do with the scale and shape of the reed itself, of course). Some reed or= gans are fitted with "qualifying tubes" - chambers of various sorts into = which one or more reeds are allowed to speak. The ultimate in this design= is the Vocalion, which can have a bewildering variety of chambers to mod= ify the sound."   =20   =20   The types of "qualifying tubes" that Clough & Warren used and patented we= re "Scribner qualifying tubes" and they look like unstopped wooden organ = pipes attached at the sides. They are placed over the Diapason rank in t= heir 1887 "Auxilary Pipe Organ" which was really a vocalion, complete wit= h shutters, a resonating chamber, and elaborately stenciled pipe fa=E7ade= of which the pipe are carved from solid pieces of wood. =20   =20   Hope this helps.   =20   Best regards,   =20   Daniel Hancock   Springfield, Missouri   =20   =20  
(back) Subject: AGO From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:08:32 EDT   AGO----- So I applied for a job.....the previous was fired and Florida is an at = will fire/work state.   After I made my interest known, the former filed with the AGO.   They moderately said the previous had a point. And so sided politely with = the fired. Church agreed to AGO recommendations.   I am a member of said church...and took the position.   oops-----   So shall I resign the AGO now or wait.....member 36 years and past Dean.   Free advice sought. Know you get what you pay for but this esteem group = might have ideas.........   want everyone happy but am keeping the job....   dale in Florida  
(back) Subject: RE: AGO From: "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:13:02 -0500   I think the best thing is to do what's right. If you had no plans with the church on the position-and the previous was fired for reasons not pertaining to your potential interest in the job, then you are not at fault in accepting the position. =20   =20   Doing what's right doesn't always depend on policy and polity of organizations. Based on what you've shared, this sounds to me like a case of the previous using the system to retaliate, when it isn't justified.   =20   Daniel Hancock   Springfield, Missouri   =20   AGO-----   So I applied for a job.....the previous was fired and Florida is an at will fire/work state.   =20   After I made my interest known, the former filed with the AGO.   =20   They moderately said the previous had a point. And so sided politely with the fired.   Church agreed to AGO recommendations.   =20   I am a member of said church...and took the position.   =20   oops-----   =20   So shall I resign the AGO now or wait.....member 36 years and past Dean.   =20   Free advice sought. Know you get what you pay for but this esteem group might have ideas.........   =20   want everyone happy but am keeping the job.....   =20   dale in Florida  
(back) Subject: Re: vocalion From: "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:28:33 -0400   Scott, as far as I can remember, a Vocallion was a reed organ. When I was at a small Jr. College outside Worcester, MA in the chapel was one of these, 2 manuals and pedal with false facade pipes. IIRC, it had about 10 stops still had the pump handle but was hooked up to a blower.   Cheers, Mack   BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote:   >anybody ever heard of an instrument called a vocalion? a personal = recollection in the written early history of my church states: > >"another triumph attending the entry into our new building [ca. 1890s] = was our vocalion, a movable instrument that stands somewhere between a = cottage-organ and a pipe-organ. ours was furnished with a man-power pump = behind." > >i'm assuming that the cottage organ would have been a regular reed organ, = but i'm stumped as to what a vocalion is. > >anybody? > >scot > >****************************************************************** >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > > >