PipeChat Digest #4827 - Friday, October 15, 2004
 
RE: Taco Bell Canon
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
Business is really taking off!
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Re: Business is really taking off!
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
Re: Business is really taking off!
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: Business is really taking off!
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Theater Organist's Training Manual...want to write one?  CROSS POSTED
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
Pachelbel and Karg-Elert
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
your opinion
  by "Bernadette Wagner" <musicalgrl90@yahoo.com>
Re: your opinion
  by "Scott Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com>
Re: your opinion
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Re: your opinion
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: your opinion
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: your opinion
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
RE: Business is really taking off!
  by "LBoekeloo" <lboekeloo@triton.net>
Re: Short lively pieces for voluntaries
  by "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr>
RE: your opinion
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Re: your opinion
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
University Book Sale
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Re: your opinion
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: your opinion
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Saturday Wurlitzer Event in Rochester (cross-posted)
  by "Kenneth Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com>
wicks solo division
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: your opinion
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: wicks solo division
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Re: wicks solo division
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
RE: your opinion
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Taco Bell Canon From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:01:25 +0100   Well I have just heard that for a wedding on November 27th they want to enter and exit to CDs. Well it's up to them - I'll just play TWO HYMNS = and collect my =A325 (Over $50) and go home!   Will Light Coventry UK   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of = Alan Freed Sent: 15 October 2004 03:01 To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Taco Bell Canon   On 10/14/04 9:00 PM, "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> wrote:   > But . . . for the processional, they played a CD .   Well, you can almost count on it. Class (or its lack) shows.   Alan =20        
(back) Subject: Business is really taking off! From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 06:22:20 -0400   With all of the talk about Wicks and TO's, I thought this would be of interest to the group:   http://www.belleville.com/mld/newsdemocrat/9924394.htm  
(back) Subject: Re: Business is really taking off! From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:20:39 -0500   Cool article and a brilliant idea! If someone would do a similar thing = for wooden sailboats, I'd totally be a customer. Perhaps someone should do it =   for pipe organs. But what's a TO?   > With all of the talk about Wicks and TO's, I thought this would be of       A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Business is really taking off! From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:41:38 EDT   Hello andy@ablorgans.com,     In reference to your comment: Cool article and a brilliant idea! If someone would do a similar thing = for wooden sailboats, I'd totally be a customer. Perhaps someone should do = it for pipe organs. But what's a TO? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   Theatre Organ.     Victoria, watching Andy smack himself on the forehead :-)  
(back) Subject: Re: Business is really taking off! From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:08:12 -0500   At 09:41 AM 10/15/2004, you wrote: >Theatre Organ. > > >Victoria, watching Andy smack himself on the forehead :-)   Better YET! Theatre Pipe Organ   Jon   >      
(back) Subject: Theater Organist's Training Manual...want to write one? CROSS POSTED From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:42:54 -0400   As a small publisher we can afford to do things that others might not be interested in doing...is there anyone out there interested in writing a manual of the Technique of Playing the Theater Organ? If so we'd like to consider publishing it...with very favorable terms to the writer.   We are always looking for new music for the organ to publish as well.   -- noel jones, aago noeljones@frogmusic.com ----------------------------------- 1 877 249-5251 Athens, TN USA   www.frogmusic.com Rodgers Organ Users Group Frog Music Press - Organ and MIDI Music FMP Organ Music Search Service Rodgers Organ Design & Voicing Services      
(back) Subject: Pachelbel and Karg-Elert From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:28:38 -0500   The Pachelbel Canon is quite often used in wedding processionals around here......usually not for the bride, but for the wedding party or seating of parents or grandparents.   I find it works well on organ.   Remember, I'm the pastor, not the organist.   BTW, in what editions can one find Karg-Elert's Pastels, and where would one order them? Anybody got a copy they'd like to sell?   Dennis Steckley   "Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened."--Dr. Seuss        
(back) Subject: your opinion From: "Bernadette Wagner" <musicalgrl90@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:07:46 -0700 (PDT)   Ok. Do any of the list members think it is weird that a 14 year old is = learning Franck's Chorale in A Minor? My teacher thinks I can do it, it's = just that a few people were all, "YOU ARE 14!!! YOU SHOULDNT BE LEARNING = IT THIS EARLY!!!" and i just wanted other people's opinion. and don't diss = my teacher cuz hes a member of pipechat. GO YANKEES!!!!!   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today!
(back) Subject: Re: your opinion From: "Scott Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:18:27 -0500   Speaking as your teacher, I learned that piece when I was 13, along with = Alain's Litanies and Bach's Toccata and Fugue in F for a competition. = So I think it's a good piece for you to learn because you already play = bigger works of Chopin and Greig. Perfect piece for legato technique = both choral-hymn like and fast virtuosic lines, along with a very = beautiful and emotional middle section.   Scott Montgomery 619 W Church St. Champaign, IL 61820 217.390.0158 www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net  
(back) Subject: Re: your opinion From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:19:51 -0400   I=B9d never =B3diss=B2 your teacher for his decision to teach you the Franck Chorale in a. =20   Now, as to you support for the Yankees, that=B9s quite another matter. This deserves serious therapy! :-)   GO JAMIE MOYER!! GO MARINERS!! (Well, perhaps next year.)   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA   On 10/15/04 1:07 PM, "Bernadette Wagner" <musicalgrl90@yahoo.com> wrote:   > Ok. Do any of the list members think it is weird that a 14 year old is > learning Franck's Chorale in A Minor? My teacher thinks I can do it, it's= just > that a few people were all, "YOU ARE 14!!! YOU SHOULDNT BE LEARNING IT TH= IS > EARLY!!!" and i just wanted other people's opinion. and don't diss my tea= cher > cuz hes a member of pipechat. > =20 > GO YANKEES!!!!!    
(back) Subject: Re: your opinion From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:45:34 -0400   belinda, i learned it at age 15, and could have learned it earlier if i = had started organ earlier, but my mom wanted me to study piano longer... = well, that's another story.   franck's a-minor is a great piece and i'm sure you'll enjoy learning it. = i remember the first time i read through it, when i finished i leaned back = & thought to myself, "finally, something with meat!" the following spring = i ended a recital with it -- i loved it that much.   if your teacher thinks you can do it, then by all means, GO FOR IT. = remember, your teacher is there to teach you things you don't know yet = (that's why he's the teacher and you're the student), and to push you to = try music you might think you're not ready for. if you'd only been = studying a few months and he gave you the demessieux etudes, then i'd be = concerned... actually more scared of YOUR talent than the possibility of = his mis-judgment, though. LOL!!   have fun with the franck and whatever else he gives you. FYI -- the voice = is the only instrument with a repertoire larger than the organ's, so = you'll never be wanting for something new to learn.   scot in spokane  
(back) Subject: Re: your opinion From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:50:49 -0700 (PDT)   Hey BB! Well, you know I love you and your teacher as good friends. The Franck, to = me, is a very big work. I can't play it. But you have done some of the = lyrical stuff of Franck, too, right? This is what I note: Most teachers = give their students the works that they learned at those ages or years in = college. There are many reasons teachers give us challenges. FWIW     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today!
(back) Subject: Re: your opinion From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:10:49 -0500   Hi,   Obviously your teacher feels that you have reached an advanced level in = your training and skill at the console and that you are ready to learn = the Franck. Trust his or her judgment, and in your own ability and = talent above all. The Franck is a great piece, and there is much you = can learn from it! I learned the A minor at age 13, and still count it = among my favorite organ works to perform. My teacher used ot say to me = at times when I felt overwhelmed or unsure of myself: "You'll love it. = You'll just love it!" He was right :)   Every Success,   Tim Grenz ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bernadette Wagner=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 12:07 PM Subject: your opinion     Ok. Do any of the list members think it is weird that a 14 year old is = learning Franck's Chorale in A Minor? My teacher thinks I can do it, = it's just that a few people were all, "YOU ARE 14!!! YOU SHOULDNT BE = LEARNING IT THIS EARLY!!!" and i just wanted other people's opinion. and = don't diss my teacher cuz hes a member of pipechat.       GO YANKEES!!!!!     -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today!
(back) Subject: RE: Business is really taking off! From: "LBoekeloo" <lboekeloo@triton.net> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:24:00 -0400   I can't help but put my 2 cents in.   Not only does Wicks build organs and have aircrafts and the supplies, but they also have Wicks Custom Woods. With the fine craftsman working on organ consoles and pipe facades, it was only natural to have the same wood craftsman do custom woods for them. Visit www.wicks.com and see what it's all about.   Larry Boekeloo   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Myosotis51@aol.com Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 10:42 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Business is really taking off!   Hello andy@ablorgans.com,     In reference to your comment: Cool article and a brilliant idea! If someone would do a similar thing for wooden sailboats, I'd totally be a customer. Perhaps someone should do it for pipe organs. But what's a TO? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   Theatre Organ.     Victoria, watching Andy smack himself on the forehead :-)   ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>      
(back) Subject: Re: Short lively pieces for voluntaries From: "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:48:04 +0300   Glenda gksjd85@direcway.com wrote:   > No, John. I do have a modicum of taste below which I will not stoop. I > don't want to play something every other organist or sub gives them on > Sundays. I am, after all, a classicist with some rather recalcitrant > romantic leanings. I'm not generally taken in by the treacly or > whimsical, particularly with my strongly stated views on the importance > of worship with strong music.   Oh Glenda, of course I read your posts - How else could I reply to them! I think we are both cat lovers! I think it might be a question of language. American and English may have much in common, but they are not the same. I looked the word up in my = Oxford Dictionary - it comes up with "attractive in a bright way but not of good quality or in good taste." I realise, of course, that in American it may have a totally different connotation, e.g "bright and lively and of great cultural value." Perhaps someone has a Webster's to hand? I once had a problem of translation into English of the Greek word "bibliothiki", which is pronounced "Vivliotheeki" and translates as both bookcase and library. There was a tradition that when the English = community left our town in Greece they passed on any English books they didn't wish = to carry in their baggage to a "library", which was kept by one of the remaining ex-pats. At that time - about 15 years ago - it was looked after by a friend of mine, who himself in due course returned to England to get married. He asked me if I could look after the library, and I agreed. The owners of the house he lived in got to hear of this and thought I had = taken their bookcase. My knowledge of Greek was not that extensive at the time - OK it's not that brilliant now - and I had the most incredibly bitter argument with the house owner, who thought I had taken their bookcase. Amongst other tactics they used was trying to persuade my friend, who was moving, that I had taken the "bibliothiki" without their knowledge, so = that they could report it as theft to the police. These are the depths people will sink to! In fact, to this day I think they still believe I stole = their bookcase! Anyone want any old English books? John Foss      
(back) Subject: RE: your opinion From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:49:04 -0400   Scot says:   > the voice is the only instrument with a repertoire larger than the = organ's, so you'll never be wanting for something new to learn.   > scot in spokane   The same thought, approximately, has occurred to me, too. Actually, I = assumed that the repertoire of the piano was also larger than the = organ's. But it certainly yields to nothing more than these two in = this; while the organ surpasses the piano as to the long period over = which it has has been important historically.   I mean to keep this observation handy for next time a colleague = complains that I buy too much organ music for our university music = library. (Even so, the organ music that we have at present is just a = small fraction of our holdings in piano, voice, or even violin. So = there is still quite a lacuna to be filled.) But you know professors: = they don't pay much attention to anything unstudded with footnotes and = bibliographic references. So I wonder, do you have an authoritative = source for this observation?   Thank you!   And for Saint Bernadette of Weirds: bravo, and go for it!   As far as weirdness is concerned, I'll just agree with Chris in one of = my favorite films, "Stand by me". =20   Poor Gordie, age 12, is grieving over the tragic death of his idolized = big brother . His parents, also grieving, have become even worse = zombies than usual, and he thinks that his father hates him. He's very = bright as well as sensitive. Part of him wants to become a writer, but = another part of him calls writing "a stupid waste of time" liable to = alienate him from the three precious friends he has been able to make. = In short, he is desperately unsure of himself and genuinely worried when = he gets up the courage to ask the most stable and honest of these = comrades.=20   Gordie: Do you think I'm weird?   Chris: Definitely!   Gordie: No, seriously, man, am I weird?   Chris: Yeah, but so what, everyone's weird.     Paul Emmons    
(back) Subject: Re: your opinion From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:07:49 EDT   if the teacher thinks,,,,do it       Go Cardinals!  
(back) Subject: University Book Sale From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:35:31 -0400   A year or two ago, I wrung my hands here over the fact that so many = beautiful scores and LPs were going to waste in our annual Friends of = the Library book sale-- it seemed that we couldn't even give them away. = Several duly admonished me for not having announced the sale in advance. = So this time, for what it's worth, I'm remembering.   When: Tuesday, Oct. 19, 4:00 p.m (for members), 6:00 p.m. (for the = public) until 10 p.m. Wed. and Thurs, Oct. 20-21 8:00 a.m. - 10:00 p.m. Fri. Oct 22 8:00 a.m.-4:00 p.m.   Where: Francis Harvey Green Library, High and Rosedale Streets, West = Chester, Pa. Downstairs in the periodicals study area. (North High Street =3D Highway 100. South High Street joins = Highway 202 just south of town.) If you take either the High Street = exit and go north or the Matlack Street exit and go first north and then = west on Rosedale St., you'll be there in a jiffy.   Unfortunately, I can't say that we have the large numbers of LPs that = were offered last year, but there are always quite a few nuggets in = recordings, scores, and music books, as well as thousands of non-musical = books. Last time I picked up an entire recent Encyclopedia Britannica = for $1 a volume. But I can say that there are several surplus musical = books selling at Amazon for $50-$75, which I added to the book sale = under protest with two colleagues insisting that I should do so rather = than pretend we have a gifts and exchanges program that we don't have. = This done, I was hoping to be waiting in line to buy them myself with a = clean conscience rather than a potential case of conflict of interest = :-/ But unfortunately it later turned out that I must be out of town = when the sale opens. So if you can find them, they're all yours. (For no = more than $5 a volume and probably just $1-$2).   If you are a serious Philadelphia-area bibliophile or record collector, = I think that you would find it worthwhile to attend, especially as early = as possible. Prices are insanely low, so much so that used-book dealers = from far and wide purchase $30 Friends memberships and congregate around = the gate in a nervous huddle maybe half an hour in advance of the = "private viewing". The ringing of a bell sparks a literal stampede into = the aisles among the tables. I've witnessed this. As heart-warming as = it is to see people so excited about old books, their competitive haste = is a bit laughably unseemly. Within an hour these professionals have = picked the place over quite expertly and carry the best bargains away by = the cartload. So a word to the wise: you can't beat them unless you = join them.=20            
(back) Subject: Re: your opinion From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:03:41 EDT   If your teacher feels that you are technically accomplished enough to learn the work, we trust that you can do so. Whether you wish to perform = it in recital at this age is a different story. The advantage to learning monumental works at an early age is that the =   fingerings become part of one's neurology, and tend to stay with the = organist for a lifetime if kept in practice. As your hands grow, and your technique =   develops, you may have to refinger and relearn some sections or phrases. If you do go through with learning the piece, remember that you will = play the work differently at each stage of your life, especially after passing emotional milestones: graduation from college; betrayal by a trusted = friend; falling in love for the first time; the death of a parent; the birth of = your first child. Go ahead with the "nuts and bolts" of learning the a minor, with the knowledge that under the right circumstances, the youthful exuberance with = which you perform it today will transmute into an emotional maturity that you = cannot envision at present.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City http://www.glucknewyork.com/   ..  
(back) Subject: Re: your opinion From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:20:44 EDT   In a message dated 10/15/2004 6:04:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, TubaMagna@aol.com writes:   > If you do go through with learning the piece, remember that you will = play > the work differently at each stage of your life, especially after = passing > emotional milestones: graduation from college; betrayal by a trusted = friend; > > falling in love for the first time; the death of a parent; the birth of = your > first > child. > Go ahead with the "nuts and bolts" of learning the a minor, with the > knowledge that under the right circumstances, the youthful exuberance = with > which > you perform it today will transmute into an emotional maturity that you > cannot > envision at present. > >   OH that everyone would learn this lesson in life........especially the = young phenoms and the snooty people who hate them........   see me in five years and i will play it differently and most likely better.....always a good motif in life.   dale in florida  
(back) Subject: Saturday Wurlitzer Event in Rochester (cross-posted) From: "Kenneth Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:31:53 -0400   RTOS is happy to remind you that Don Kinnier performs at this Saturday evening's October 16 event. Don's presentation will start at 8 PM in the = NEW Auditorium Theatre, 875 East Main Street, Rochester, NY 14605. The inside doors will open at 7:15 PM.   Tickets at only $15 each for non-members will be available at the box = office one hour before the concert. The combination of Kinnier's talent and our Wurlitzer 4/23 will guarantee an evening of outstanding theater organ entertainment. Please visit our website at http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/ for more information .   Submitted by, Ken Evans, RTOS Director (past-President) kevans1@rochester.rr.com      
(back) Subject: wicks solo division From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:42:20 -0400   if anybody's interested, there's a wicks solo division on ebay -- auction = #3755034205.   need an english horn? :O  
(back) Subject: Re: your opinion From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:18:54 EDT   In a message dated 10/15/2004 1:08:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, musicalgrl90@yahoo.com writes: Ok. Do any of the list members think it is weird that a 14 year old is learning Franck's Chorale in A Minor? My teacher thinks I can do it, it's = just that a few people were all, "YOU ARE 14!!! YOU SHOULDNT BE LEARNING IT THIS EARLY!!!" and i just wanted other people's opinion. and don't diss my = teacher cuz hes a member of pipechat.   IMHO, if your teacher believes that you are ready to learn this piece, and =   you believe that you are capable of playing it...GO FOR IT. What other = people think is irrelevant. Consider young Mr. Hell. He was playing that piece at = 14 (at least I think that he was). of the 3 Chorales of Franck, it is the = easiest (also my humble opinion) to play and the middle adagio section is a VERY = useful piece to excerpt for weddings, funerals and general church use as a = porelud or offertory.   Rick in VA  
(back) Subject: Re: wicks solo division From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:38:40 -0500   Most of the rest of the organ is also for sale -- check "seller's other auctions".   What an odd way to try to sell an (incomplete already, admittedly) = instrument.   Anyone in Chicago know 'the rest of the story'...?? ;-)   --Tim   At 06:42 PM 10/15/2004, you wrote: >if anybody's interested, there's a wicks solo division on ebay -- auction =   >#3755034205. > >need an english horn? :O    
(back) Subject: Re: wicks solo division From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:42:10 EDT     In a message dated 10/15/04 7:40:37 PM, tmbovard@earthlink.net writes:     > Most of the rest of the organ is also for sale -- check "seller's other > auctions". >=20 > What an odd way to try to sell an (incomplete already, admittedly)=20 > instrument. >=20 > Anyone in Chicago know 'the rest of the story'...??=A0 ;-) >=20 > --Tim >=20 >=20   I know nothing of it--however, if any pipechatters come to see it--look me u= p=20 and we'll do lunch! gfc       Gregory Ceurvorst 1921 Sherman Ave. #GS Evanston, IL 60201 847.332.2788 home/fax 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net  
(back) Subject: RE: your opinion From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:57:11 -0500   I think it is great that you are delving into Franck with your = teacher=92s permission =96 very good from several standpoints.=A0 But I believe you = will probably play it differently as a 30-year old than you do as a 14-year old.=A0 There=92s nothing wrong with that, either.=A0 Age just gives us differing perspectives. =A0 I refrain from cheering for baseball teams =96 it doesn=92t seem to be = much of a sport nowadays. =A0 Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com =A0 =A0