PipeChat Digest #4828 - Saturday, October 16, 2004
Re: your opinion
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
Re: your opinion+ interesting quotes and stories
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Stand by Me
  by "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net>
Boston Symphony Hall Open House, it's all about the organ
  by "Charlie Jack" <Charlie@Jack.NET>
Re: Stand by Me
  by "cc" <belcanto@brainerd.net>
Re: your opinion
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Re: Short Postludes
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Largeat repertoire?
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: PipeChat Digest #4827 - 10/15/04
  by "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr>

(back) Subject: Re: your opinion From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:23:03 -0500   I was at school with a young man who was a brilliant pianist from an = early age and first started playing the organ at the age of 13, which = was the earliest age he was tall enough to reach the pedals. At the age = of 14 he played Franck's Pi=E8ce hero=EFque flawlessly*from sight*. He = subsequently went on the be a professor of medicine, obtaining highest = honours in mathematics and medicine *simultaneously* at Cambridge on the = way. He now plays the organ and piano just for pleasure. I don't think = anyone told him not to play Franck when he was 14, and I don't think it = did him any harm.   John Speller ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RMaryman@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 7:18 PM Subject: Re: your opinion     In a message dated 10/15/2004 1:08:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = musicalgrl90@yahoo.com writes: Ok. Do any of the list members think it is weird that a 14 year old = is learning Franck's Chorale in A Minor? My teacher thinks I can do it, = it's just that a few people were all, "YOU ARE 14!!! YOU SHOULDNT BE = LEARNING IT THIS EARLY!!!" and i just wanted other people's opinion. and = don't diss my teacher cuz hes a member of pipechat.   IMHO, if your teacher believes that you are ready to learn this piece, = and you believe that you are capable of playing it...GO FOR IT. What = other people think is irrelevant. Consider young Mr. Hell. He was = playing that piece at 14 (at least I think that he was). of the 3 = Chorales of Franck, it is the easiest (also my humble opinion) to play = and the middle adagio section is a VERY useful piece to excerpt for = weddings, funerals and general church use as a porelud or offertory.
(back) Subject: Re: your opinion+ interesting quotes and stories From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:42:31 EDT   Bernadette,   In my opinion-if the work frightens you--do not let it. Scott is a fine=20 musician and teacher and would not assign it to you if he didn't think you c= ould=20 do it. Based upon the times I have heard you play--you are capable of=20 learning the work. If it takes you a year to play well-so be it--just prac= tice=20 SLOW, write fingerings and pedalings in, use a metronome, and strive to perf= ect=20 your legato technique. Also-don't let dynamic markings upset you-remember=20 that the organ at Saint Clotilde did not have a balanced swell pedal...it wa= s a=20 spoon, on the far right side of the pedal clavier--and had three knotches in= =20 it--full open, half, and shut. Practice it an hour a day-and you will be=20 playing it in no time at all. Inspirational quotes-I think of these every time I sit at an instrument   =E2=80=9CAll unjustified movement is harmful because it is a waste of time a= nd=20 strength. Before deciding that a movement is inevitable its usefulness mus= t have=20 been ascertained during the period of slow practice. That period should be= =20 lengthy. If you have the courage and conscience to make yourself do it,=20 considerable time will be gained, and then you will play every virtuoso piec= e in its=20 exact tempo without difficulty.=E2=80=9D=20 C.M. Widor   "My organ, it is an orchestra! If only you knew how I love it, it is so= =20 adaptable to my fingers and so docile with my respect to my ideas." Cesar Franck   "Creation must be completely free. Every fetter one imposes On oneself by=20 taking into account playability or public taste leads to disaster." Max Reger   "Live happily" D.Scarlatti -------------------- Now a few stories:   Max Reger once received a nasty review from a critic named Rudolf Louis.=20 Reger promptly sent a note in reply: "I am sitting in the smallest room of m= y=20 house, I have your review before me. In a moment it will be behind me."   Max Reger was known for eating and drinking too much. He once received a=20 basket of trout from a lady admirer after playing the piano part in Schubert= 's=20 "Trout" Quintet.=C2=A0=20 In his thank-you note, Reger was careful to mention that his next concert=20 program was to include... Haydn's "Minuet of the Ox"!     LOL cheers, gfc             Gregory Ceurvorst 1921 Sherman Ave. #GS Evanston, IL 60201 847.332.2788 home/fax 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net  
(back) Subject: Stand by Me From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:49:04 -0400   Paul,   I'm glad you mentioned that movie. I was moonlighting in the = Emergency Room one night when "Stand By Me" was on cable. Somehow, the ER was slack enough that I was able to watch it in its entirety. It was really interesting that they gave info on what happened to the kids in the group when they grew up.   One question I've had - since I haven't seen the movie since - since I "think" I came into the movie at the time of the funeral. I remember = seeing people at a graveside. The father turns to Gordie and says, "too bad it wan't you". I couldn't believe that a father would say that to his son. = My question is was that question in Gordie's imagination? IOW, the father didn't really say that to him; Gordie just knew that his now deceased brother was the favorite and was imagining that his parents would think that.   Keeping on our topic . . . it's interesting that "Ordinary People", = the movie which used the Pachelbel Canon in D was the theme song, also = involved the tragic death of a favorite son. The father in Ordinary People did appear to love the remaining son and came along side him when the mother kinda loses it near the end.   Insofar as using the piece in weddings, I said something about liking this piece as a wedding piece in front of our Chief of Pediatrics during = my residency. His comment was, "That's a funeral derge. Why would you want that at a wedding?" I tended to disagree with him. The piece was = composed long before "Ordinary People" was filmed. The powers that be just = happened to like this piece and decided to use it as the theme song to their movie.   Anyway, Good night. Finances are extremely tight right now. I'm working 12 hours in the Emergency Room tomorrow and again on Sunday.   Keith      
(back) Subject: Boston Symphony Hall Open House, it's all about the organ From: "Charlie Jack" <Charlie@Jack.NET> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:40:57 -0400   The Boston Symphony will be holding an open house at Symphony Hall in Boston on Sunday November 7th starting at noon and running into the evening. This year the open house is all about the newly restored A/S organ. Thomas Trotter, Felix Hell, James David Christie and Jeff Weiler will perform during the course of the day. Once I learn the full schedule for the day I'll post it. I will also endeavor to get the updated specification and post that as well.   The following is the announcement from the BSO concerning the open house.   Charlie Jack Charlie@Jack.NET   Symphony Hall Open House on Sunday, November 7, to Feature Newly Renovated Symphony Hall Organ   On Sunday, November 7, Symphony Hall will once again open its doors, providing the greater Boston community an opportunity to welcome James Levine as BSO Music Director and witness the dedication of the newly renovated Symphony Hall organ. The day's events, running from noon to about 8:30 p.m., will include a wide variety of performances and activities appealing to all ages and musical tastes. Members of the BSO and the Tanglewood Festival Chorus will perform, as will such local ensembles as the New England Conservatory Philharmonia. James Levine will lead music for brass and organ featuring the BSO brass section and organist James David Christie, and there will be an organ-accompanied sing-along with the Tanglewood Festival Chorus led by its conductor John Oliver. Maestro Levine will also participate in an informal interview moderated by BSO Managing Director Mark Volpe. The organ will be showcased in recitals by the up-and-coming young German organist Felix Hell and acclaimed English organist Thomas Trotter, in silent film screenings accompanied by Jeff Weiler, and in a rendition of baseball tunes by a Red Sox organist from Fenway Park. Events elsewhere in the building will include chamber music performances and instrument demonstrations. In addition, the Boston Symphony Association of Volunteers will offer tours of historic Symphony Hall throughout the day and staff an Instrument Petting Zoo for children. The 2004 Symphony Hall Open House is sponsored by UBS.   The Aeolian-Skinner organ, Opus 1134, is one of Symphony Hall's most prominent features. Built in 1947 to replace the Hall's original Hutchings organ of 1900, the instrument was designed by G. Donald Harrison, President and Tonal Director of Aeolian-Skinner of Boston, the preeminent American organ builders during the first half of the twentieth century. When first installed, it was widely recognized as one of the most versatile concert hall organs in the world. Inaugural concerts with the BSO took place in October 1949 with renowned organist E. Power Biggs at the keyboard, and organ recitals were for many years a regular feature of Symphony Hall programming.   Completed this past summer, the renovation of the Symphony Hall organ began in January 2003, when the entire organ including some 5,000 pipes was removed from the organ chamber, which has itself been completely refurbished. The renovated organ---now incorporating some new pipes and divisions, as well as a new console design---was reinstalled during the summer of 2003; tonal finishing and tuning was completed in the summer of 2004. Of equal importance to the renovation of the organ was the establishment of a permanently endowed fund for its care, enabling the BSO to remedy mechanical problems common to the aging process as they occur, and to undertake necessary cleaning and other maintenance on a regular basis.   During the 2004-2005 season, the organ is also featured in the BSO performances of Mahler's Symphony No. 8 that inaugurate James Levine's tenure as BSO Music Director in October, and in the season-closing performances of Respighi's Pines of Rome and Fountains of Rome under Rafael Fr<FC>hbeck de Burgos next May. It will also be used in Mr. Levine's November BSO performances of the final scene from Salome featuring soprano Karita Mattila.   -- Charlie Jack Charlie@Jack.NET  
(back) Subject: Re: Stand by Me From: "cc" <belcanto@brainerd.net> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:55:58 -0500   Keith, what do you do in the emergency room?   Carla C     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net>   " I was moonlighting in the Emergency Room one night....."   "Anyyway, Good night. Finances are extremely tight right now. I'm = working 12 hours in the Emergency Room tomorrow and again on Sunday."        
(back) Subject: Re: your opinion From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 23:23:00 EDT   In a message dated 10/15/04 8:58:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 gksjd85@direcway.com writes:   << But I believe you will probably play it differently as a 30-year old than you do as a 14-year old.=C2=A0 There=E2=80=99s nothing wrong with that, either.=C2=A0 Age just=20= gives us differing perspectives. >>   It's interesting this is being brought up here and now. On another group I'= m=20 on (for orchestras IIRC), there is a thread about teaching basic=20 'musicianship' to somewhat advanced players, especially on piano for non-pia= no majors. =20 Many piano players seem to be pushed through some repertoire without concern= to=20 touch, phrasing, dynamics, etc. One teacher suggested teaching new rep. to=20 cover these things, and then try transferring them to the old piece. Severa= l=20 people said that they had tried to do this themselves, but the old 'muscle=20 memory' was quite difficult to overcome. I know you can approach an old pie= ce in a=20 different light years later, but sometimes the old habits can be very=20 difficult to break.   My $.02   Richard  
(back) Subject: Re: Short Postludes From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 23:32:33 EDT   In a message dated 10/14/2004 8:49:33 PM Central Daylight Time, someone = wrote: There's no custom of listening to the postlude on the part of my congregation, and I can make them extremely brief, although I want to play =   something decent (a) just in case anybody is paying attention and (b) for = my own enjoyment. The Nixon pieces fit the bill nicely. GOD is always listening - the worship service is for GOD's praise, right? = Our Creator delights in the joy of humankind and, certainly, in our sincere = and heartfelt acts, thoughts and efforts of adoration and praise.   Dale Rider Independence, MO  
(back) Subject: Largeat repertoire? From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:12:50 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   --- BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote:   FYI -- the voice is the only instrument with a > repertoire larger than the organ's, so you'll never > be wanting for something new to learn.   -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-   That's a fascinating factiod!   I didn't know that at all!   Does anyone know the source of this information?   Veering slightly away from the volume of organ-works as compared to other musical genres, what about quality?   I listen to classical music stations a great deal, and of course, Mozart, Brahms, Beethoven, Handel, Chopin and the rest are the true greats. However, below that level of genius is a vast corpus of music. I suppose one could site Ravel, Dukas, Borodin and countless others as "top B grade."   However, once the big names are dispensed with, how does the quality compare to the organ repertoire?   I listen to Dupre.......passion, tenderness and real fire-power.   I listen to the ravishing harmonies of Alain, Durufle and Tournemire.   I am often overwhelmed by the power of Reger's often disturbing music.   The go down the list to the "top B grade," and further down still. Not great composers, but certainly very, very high quality ones.   The sparkling originality of Jackson's "Diversion for Mixtures," or the lyrical passion of Healey Willan. The clean, flowing lines of Hindemith. The inventiveness of Langlais.....the quality list is virtually endless.   The I hear really tedious things, such as the theme music from the film "The Piano," or that maudling "Symphony of sorrows" by Goresky (Sp?) I hear contemporary music which just leaves me cold, and experimental music which leaves me frozen.     We are very fortunate in having a wonderfully rich repertoire of which, in a lifetime, we barely scratch the surface.   So why don't people listen more, and why isn't organ music heard on the air-waves more?     Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK             _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #4827 - 10/15/04 From: "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:47:48 +0300   This week's additions to http://www.organsandorganistsonline.com/ include = a virtuoso performance of Gigout's Toccata by David M Patrick on the Van den Heuvel organ in Katarina Church, Stockholm, and two more performances from Marc Giacone.   David M Patrick is an organist with outstanding credentials. As a contemporary of mine at the Royal College of Music he won both the Stuart prize for organ and the Walford Davies organ prize. His recording of the complete works of Durufle on the 4 manual Harrison and Harrison organ in Coventry Cathedral was "A Critics Choice of the Year" in BBC Music Magazine - December 1997 - in competition with musicians on all other instruments. This record is distributed internationally, and available online from www.sanctuaryclassics.com   After hearing his performance of her husband's works, Madeleine Durufle wrote to David "Vos interpr=E9tations des oeuvres de M. Durufl=E9 sont excellentes, je vous en f=E9licite. ... bien ... Tr=E8s bien ... brillant = ... BRAVO."   David now lives in Norway and continues as a recitalist on the = International scene - his home page, which can be visited from the links page at http://www.organsandorganistsonline.com/ lists some of the many venues in the UK, Norway, Iceland, The US and Canada where he has performed. I = haven't been able to track down the specification of the organ in the Katarina Church in Stockholm yet, but it sounds as if it is large and in a rich resonant building. Perhaps one of our Norwegian members would like to fill us in on the details!   We have also added two more sound files by Marc Giacone, an "Improvisation in Symphonic Style" by M. Giacone, recorded on the II/10 Cavaill=E9-Coll = de la Chapelle des Carmes Monaco, and the Pr=E9lude Fun=E8bre" by Louis Vierne, = Op 4, recorded on the IV/64 Boisseau organ in Monaco Cathedral. Marc Giacone = will be conducting master classes in improvisation in the summer of 2005. = Details of these and the Monaco Cathedral organ are available from his site, also = to be found on the members links of O & O O. In addition to the sound files = we have also added two pdf files of compositions by Marc Giacone, Gavotte = pour Grand Orgue en Trio and Pulsation-Prelude pour Grand Orgue.   John Foss http://www.organsandorganistsonline.com/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop/ Topic of the week : Iraq Today - a vigorous debate