PipeChat Digest #4837 - Tuesday, October 19, 2004
 
Re: Organs in Parish Churches pre 17th century
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Organ Building For Amateurs" and papier-mache pipes
  by "Peter Rodwell" <iof@ctv.es>
Re: "caged rage" and C-C swell boxes
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Organs in Brattleboro and Woodstock, VT
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Re: "caged rage" and C-C swell boxes
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Re: small scale stopped pipe
  by <Tspiggle@aol.com>
Re: Panel Gedeckt
  by <Justinhartz@aol.com>
The Nilson pedal technique
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Prelude on "Michael"
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: The Nilson pedal technique
  by <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com>
PVC bass flute and Alexander Campbell
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: The Nilson pedal technique
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
schools of pedal technique
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: schools of pedal technique
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: The Nilson pedal technique
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Wow!
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Wow!
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: "Independent Church of Christ"
  by <Voicer40@aol.com>
Michael/Music for Sunday
  by "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Wow!
  by "Andrew Barss" <asbarss@eastlink.ca>
Re: "Independent Church of Christ"
  by "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
Michael 1 and 2
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: The Nilson pedal technique
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: "Independent Church of Christ"
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: schools of pedal technique
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
Re: The Nilson pedal technique
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Organs in Parish Churches pre 17th century From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:28:25 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Alan is quite right.   As I understand it, there was never a "Reformation" purge on organs initially; this being the later work of unruly Puritan forces.   In fact, with the desecration of images, stained glass, organs and catholic artefacts, we see an act of intentional terrorism in a bid to reverse the forces of catholic counter-reformation.   It says something, that the organ built in 1621 at Durham Cathedral, by Dallam, was in a poor state by 1660, and had to be replaced.   During the dark years of puritan purges, the best organists/composers fled England for Holland, where they continued their musical activities. Indeed, the English Virginalists had a marked influence on Dutch music, and the lineage of their legacy can be traced right through to the music of Bach; Sweelinck being very influenced by the English style.   If barrel organs had to be used in the parishes, once the new order was established and worship resumed in happier style, it was as much to do with the fact that we had few organists left as the fact that we didn't have much in the way of an indigenous school of organ-building. Even as late as the mid 18th century, many organs were built by foreign builders such as Snetzler.   When church-building reached a peak in the 19th century, many, many organ-builders had started life as skilled carpenters, and turned their hand to organ-building with mixed results.   Local to me was the organ-builder John Laycock, who started out as a carpenter, then became a successful organ-builder. Musically worthy rather than musically excellent, they nevertheless continue to give sterling service in the area, seldom require repairs and remaining as fine examples of the ingenuity of Victorian craftsmen, who were not afraid to "give it a try."   Laycock made his own pipes so far as I know, and I recall seeing a set of metal pipe-scales, beautifully scribed out and with wonderful copper-plate writing on them. Carpenter or not, he obviously had a firm grasp of mathematics!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- alantaylor1 <alantaylor1@members.v21.co.uk> wrote:   > There were, in fact, organs in parish churches well > before the 17th century. > They were discarded during the reformation and were > re-introduced in the > 17th century.       _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Organ Building For Amateurs" and papier-mache pipes From: "Peter Rodwell" <iof@ctv.es> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:46:38 +0200   Quoting Bus:   > Papier-mache pipes are eminently practical for a small home > organ   And for somewhat larger instruments: there is or was a papier mache rank in the Atlantic City organ.   > Has any one heard the experimental Spanish organ with stone > pipes?   There are two stone organs. Well, 2.5 in fact.   The first has 10 pipes and was built as a demonstration instrument to show that stone can be used in organs. The second has a single rank of 49 stopped pipes and was built for a Californian client. The 0.5 consists of some 400+ pipes and various structural parts for the yet-to-be-completed Novelda project. All this is detailed on our Web site (http://www.intorg.org - click on the "Other pipe organ matters of interest" link) - there's even a sound clip of the Californian organ.   There is nothing experimental about these organs!   Peter.  
(back) Subject: Re: "caged rage" and C-C swell boxes From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:23:36 -0400   On 10/18/04 3:24 AM, "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> wrote:   > A big high-pressure Harmonic Trumpet behind TWO sets of swell shutters > would be "caged rage" indeed (chuckle).   All this reminds me of what Sebastian does at Temple Emanu=3DEl. I hope = he'll say a few words about it. (I may be perceiving in HUGE error!)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Organs in Brattleboro and Woodstock, VT From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:49:52 -0500   Hi, list- when I posted this the first time, I forgot that I sent that e-mail from a different computer which didn't include my sig!   I also discovered that the link to the David Moore was misspelled, but now it should get there OK.     http://www.sover.net/~popel/agomain.html   and Woodstock, particularly:   http://www.sover.net/~popel/Woodstock.html   Paul   http://www.sover.net/~popel/agomain.html      
(back) Subject: Re: "caged rage" and C-C swell boxes From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:04:36 -0500   At 02:24 AM 10/18/2004, Bud wrote: >A big high-pressure Harmonic Trumpet behind TWO sets of swell shutters >would be "caged rage" indeed (chuckle).     See our latest: <http://www.nicholsandsimpson.com/first1.htm>   The Tuba Mirabilis lives in its own box, which swells into the Choir/Solo box. The pipes are upright and hooded, and play on 15" wind. (there's a picture of the pipes in the shop while being racked, on the page above)   --Tim (Nichols and Simpson, Inc.)          
(back) Subject: Re: small scale stopped pipe From: <Tspiggle@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:27:29 EDT   Dennis   Schickler used to build 16' unit stops as you describe. They were 12 notes =   and had common walls between the notes. One was for sale on e-bay a while = back.   Tom  
(back) Subject: Re: Panel Gedeckt From: <Justinhartz@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:10:20 EDT   Casavant used a "panel gedeckt" on their continuo organs of the late '70's and early '80's. I believe they were designed by Brunzema. The bottom octave of the 8' gedeckt was constructed of oak, and = appeared to be the front panel of the case. The pipes had a rather high cut up, and = the tone was very clear, with an amazing amount of fundamental. The longest pipes were mitred around the side of the case and still sounded great. They are a pain in the neck to tune, though :).   Justin Hartz  
(back) Subject: The Nilson pedal technique From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:12:57 -0700 (PDT)   Where do I find this method? Who teaches with it? Are the Germani pedal excercises inferior to the Nilson? just some questions     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today!
(back) Subject: Re: Prelude on "Michael" From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:13:48 EDT   In a message dated 10/17/2004 8:04:28 PM Central Daylight Time, RMB10@aol.com writes:   Anyway, the Prelude on 'Michael' is sort of lush, calling for the accompaniment on celestes, with the melody on 8' foundations. I souped = it up a little more, soloing out counter melodies from the Antiphonal division, and = using a bit more "slush" than called for, but it worked.       Monty, Slush is ALWAYS good where "Michael" is concerned. What a fabulous hymn-tune. Dale Rider/Independence, MO  
(back) Subject: Re: The Nilson pedal technique From: <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:38:04 EDT   The Nilson pedal method is a G. Schirmer publication.  
(back) Subject: PVC bass flute and Alexander Campbell From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:58:31 -0500   Of the suggestion:How about a single 16' PVC Pipe with valves located the length of it to alter the length...with some elbow connectors, it could also take uo a small amount of space...," it would seem to me that you have thereby "invented" the bass flute. The obvious disadvantage is that you could = play only one note at a time.   One correction, Mr. Burt, On Alexander Campbell--he was NOT a "southern man." He was a native of Scotland, and came to the US, following his father--initially to Pennsylvania. He is the founder of Bethany College = in Bethany, WV (though it was part of Virginia at that time). WV, especially in the northern part is really not southern--in fact, Bethany is north of the Mason-Dixon line. Most of Campbells located work was in western Pennsylvania or that WV panhandle. It was Barton W. Stone who was the Kentucky connection.     Dennis Steckley Lover of Cats, Pipe Organs & 1940-65 Sewing Machines    
(back) Subject: Re: The Nilson pedal technique From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:01:39 -0500   Desiree,   "Nilson" has been around since way before Bud was a baby (just kidding = Bud!!!). My teachers used it, I use it also. It teaches a very solid = toe-heel technique in pedal playing. There are several methods out = there that teach "toes only" which can be very useful in playing Bach, = Buxehude, Krebs, ect, or playing on non AGO pedalboards ... these are = mostly European editions.   Most likely you can find Nilson online at http://www.pattimusic.com in = the "Organ Methods" section.   Pax,   Tim ----- Original Message -----=20 From: T.Desiree' Hines=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 6:12 PM Subject: The Nilson pedal technique=20     Where do I find this method?   Who teaches with it?=20   Are the Germani pedal excercises inferior to the Nilson?=20 just some questions=20         From Desiree'=20 T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html     -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today!
(back) Subject: schools of pedal technique From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:23:23 -0700   Fenner Douglass, surprisingly, taught from the Dupre Method d'Orgue. I still remember feeling like my ankles were going to fall off after doing pedal scales and arpeggios (!) in all major and minor keys.   Over the years, a question has occurred to me: Dupre obviously wrote that Method for straight, flat pedal-boards (I don't know of any other kind in France, except maybe a few organs that were built after Dupre's death) ... I wonder what effect that has on the usefulness of it when applied to American pedal-boards.   Any thoughts?   Cheers,   Bud   Octaaf wrote:   > Desiree, > > "Nilson" has been around since way before Bud was a baby (just kidding > Bud!!!). My teachers used it, I use it also. It teaches a very solid > toe-heel technique in pedal playing. There are several methods out > there that teach "toes only" which can be very useful in playing Bach, > Buxehude, Krebs, ect, or playing on non AGO pedalboards ... these are > mostly European editions. > > Most likely you can find Nilson online at http://www.pattimusic.com in > the "Organ Methods" section. > > Pax, > > Tim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: T.Desiree' Hines <mailto:nicemusica@yahoo.com> > To: pipechat@pipechat.org <mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 6:12 PM > Subject: The Nilson pedal technique > > Where do I find this method? > > Who teaches with it? > > Are the Germani pedal excercises inferior to the Nilson? > just some questions > > > > > From Desiree' > T. Desiree' Hines > Chicago, IL 60610 > ---------------------------- > For Compositions by Desiree' > Frog Music Press > www.frogmusic.com <http://www.frogmusic.com> > ------------------------------- > FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' > http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html > > = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > vote.yahoo.com <http://vote.yahoo.com> - Register online to vote = today!      
(back) Subject: Re: schools of pedal technique From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:36:14 -0700 (PDT)   Well this method of Nilson seems to radiate as tried and true, yet none, = absolutely no teachers I ever worked with ever assigned this method, or = even mentioned it. Eager to learn more TDH       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.
(back) Subject: Re: The Nilson pedal technique From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:02:37 EDT   It is published by Schirmer. We have 3 copies. It was THE method when I = was studying. Lee  
(back) Subject: Wow! From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:08:59 -0500   What an interesting evening of reading Pipe-Chat!   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Re: Wow! From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:18:03 EDT   Here's something else to read. We are going to Wichita, Ks. Saturday to = hear Jelani Eddinton play a Theater Organ concert on the Wurlitzer that came = from the Paramont in NY. Actually, the original organ was in a fire, but it = was rebuilt. Mr. Eddinton seems to be centering in on the concert trail = instead of law for now. Lee  
(back) Subject: Re: "Independent Church of Christ" From: <Voicer40@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:51:26 EDT   When I was in high school in the 1950s, I played the organ for a wedding = in a Church of Christ. That was OK with them for a wedding, but not for = church.   The wedding took place on a Saturday. The Baldwin dealer's delivery men = did not work on Saturdays, so the dealer told the pastor that he would pick up = the organ on Monday. The pastor told him that the organ had to be out of the church for the Sunday Services. The Baldwin dealer told him that that = would be impossible inasmuch as his delivery mem did not work on Saturday. The = pastor told him that he understood, and that on Monday morning, the organ would = be out in the parking lot. Guess what happened!   D. Keith Morgan  
(back) Subject: Michael/Music for Sunday From: "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:43:57 -0500   Hi! Well, I was looking over my music list for Sunday and it turns out we're singing "Michael" this week! The setting I'll be playing for the postlude is a separate publication by MorningStar Music. It's a good Lutheran (Paul Manzian :) ritornello type piece. People have always enjoyed it when I've played it. Too bad I couldn't get the Callahan setting in time.   The jury is still out on the offertory- I decided to let the choir hold off until Reformation Sunday to begin singing (they've been off since the summer during which time there was only an interim organist) They were going to do Faure's "Cantique de Jean Racine"   Last week's offertory ended up being a piano setting of "Precious Lord, Take My Hand" by Jack Schrader. It was done in a blues/gospel style and was well received by all.     October 24   Prelude- =93Praise, My Soul, the King of Heaven=94 arr. Robert Hobby Gathering- LBW 549 =93Praise, My Soul, the King of Heaven=94 Hymn of the Day- LBW 310 =93To You, Omniscient Lord of All=94 Offertory- Communion- WOV 739 =93In All Our Grief=94 WOV 711 =93You Satisfy the Hungry Heart=94 LBW 309 =93Lord Jesus, Think on Me=94 Sending- WOV 782 =93All My Hope on God is Founded=94 Postlude- =93All My Hope On God Is Founded=94 arr. Michael Burkhardt   Blessings, Beau Surratt Director of Music and Organist First United Lutheran Church, ELCA 6705 Hohman Ave. Hammond, IN 46324      
(back) Subject: Re: Wow! From: "Andrew Barss" <asbarss@eastlink.ca> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:47:50 -0300   Lee,   I, for one, would be very interested to hear your impressions of that=20 instrument.   I have two different recordings made on that organ and I found both to=20=   be quite disappointing. While the problem could be poor recording=20 technique, the recording gives the impression of a very dry room that=20 virtually "sucks up" the sound of the organ.   It would be great to read a report from someone who's actually heard it=20=   live.   Cheers, Andrew Barss Halifax, Nova Scotia   On Oct 18, 2004, at 10:18 PM, OMusic@aol.com wrote:   > Here's something else to read.=A0 We are going to Wichita, Ks. = Saturday=20 > to hear Jelani Eddinton play a Theater Organ concert on the Wurlitzer=20=   > that came from the Paramont in NY.=A0 Actually, the original organ was=20=   > in a fire, but it was rebuilt.=A0 Mr. Eddinton seems to be centering = in=20 > on the concert trail instead of law for now.=A0 Lee=    
(back) Subject: Re: "Independent Church of Christ" From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:54:23 +0800   All for some people's perceptions of the scriptures which cannot be = sustained on any interpretation of the Bible. Ridiculous! Quote: "The Christians in Jerusalem undoubtedly continued attending the Temple = worship until at least 60 AD when. as we read in Acts XX. 16 St Paul was = so anxious to be in Jerusalem with thousands of other pilgrim Jews for = the Feast of Pentecost, the celebration of the giving of the Law. At the = Temple they heard after the Shema "Hear, O Israel" the singing of the = daily Psalm ushered in by organ music from an instrument with 10 rows of = pipes, the Magrephah, and by ceremonial trumpet calls and accompanied by = the Temple orchaestra. The liturgical psalms were read in three parts, = the trumpets were blown and the people prostrated themselves after each = text." (Church Music in History and Practice: Dr Douglas, Mus.Bac). Where then is the evidence that the Apostles sang only a capella? I = guess they may have when they had to flee for their lives. It would have = been difficult to carry musical instruments with them then, and blasts = from trumpets might have attracted the enemy, but that was not due to a = religious restriction; it was self preservation. Another point: Why sing = without musical accompaniment and yet use all the accoutrements of = modern life - motor cars, electric light, radio (the local branch of = this sect conducts a radio programme.) How can they jsutify that? Sorry! I'm on my hobby horse again but it riles me that such an = inconsistent attitude can target only one aspect of worship, an aspect = that has come down over thousands of years, long before the birth of = Christ. ( On radio as I write are several thousand Welshmen singing "Land of my = Fathers". What a thrilling sound!) Bob Elms. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Voicer40@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:51 AM Subject: Re: "Independent Church of Christ" When I was in high school in the 1950s, I played the organ for a = wedding in a Church of Christ. That was OK with them for a wedding, but = not for church. The wedding took place on a Saturday. The Baldwin dealer's delivery = men did not work on Saturdays, so the dealer told the pastor that he = would pick up the organ on Monday. The pastor told him that the organ = had to be out of the church for the Sunday Services. The Baldwin dealer = told him that that would be impossible inasmuch as his delivery mem did = not work on Saturday. The pastor told him that he understood, and that = on Monday morning, the organ would be out in the parking lot. Guess = what happened! D. Keith Morgan
(back) Subject: Michael 1 and 2 From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:02:39 -0400   The Michael in the Lutheran Book of Worship ("Oh, Praise the Lord, My Soul!") is not the same as the one in the Lutheran hymn supplement With = One Voice ("All My Hope on God Is Founded"), which also appears in the Presbyterian Hymnal (as "God, Our Help and Constant Refuge"). The latter tune is by Herbert Howells, and is by far the prettier of the two. The other is by Charles Anders. I'm rather sure the one being discussed on = this forum is the Howells. It's strange that there would be two tunes with the same name. I thought it was rather like naming race horses--that there = must be some central list somewhere one would consult before naming a new tune. Are there other instances, I wonder, of the same name given to two tunes?     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: The Nilson pedal technique From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:08:22 EDT     In a message dated 10/18/04 6:13:24 PM, nicemusica@yahoo.com writes:     >=20 > Where do I find this method? >=20 > =A0 >=20 > Who teaches with it? >=20 > =A0 >=20 > Are the Germani pedal excercises inferior to the Nilson? >=20 > just some questions >=20 > =A0 >=20 >=20   Go to Coulsons on Van Buren-if they don't have it, check Performer's on=20 Michigan. Coulson's will order it for you. It is the most intense pedal=20= study=20 I've ever seen. I got my copy at Carl Fischer right before they closed.   gfc       Gregory Ceurvorst 1921 Sherman Ave. #GS Evanston, IL 60201 847.332.2788 home/fax 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net  
(back) Subject: Re: "Independent Church of Christ" From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:06:35 -0400   on 10/18/04 10:54 PM, bobelms at bobelms@westnet.com.au wrote:   All for some people's perceptions of the scriptures which cannot be sustained on any interpretation of the Bible. Ridiculous! .....       Quite so! And these are doubtless among the same folk who serve grape = juice instead of wine for communion, claiming scriptural basis for that also.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: schools of pedal technique From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 01:47:14 -0500   Out of curiosity, what method(s) have your teachers assigned? It seems = odd to me that none would be familiar with Nilsen. Maybe I am just = getting old or something!   Tim ----- Original Message -----=20 From: T.Desiree' Hines=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 7:36 PM Subject: Re: schools of pedal technique     Well this method of Nilson seems to radiate as tried and true, yet = none, absolutely no teachers I ever worked with ever assigned this = method, or even mentioned it.=20   Eager to learn more   TDH       From Desiree'=20 T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html     -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.
(back) Subject: Re: The Nilson pedal technique From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 02:00:13 -0500   GFC said "It (Nilsen) is the most intense pedal study I've ever seen".   .....and the old school organists said: AMEN! =20   (Please pass the Deep Heet Rub and the Advil!)=20   Nilsen has been responsible for the demise of countless pairs of = perfectly good OrganMasters, the undoing of many an aspiring classical = organist .... and the foundation of many of the finest Artists of our = time.   Cheers,   Tim