PipeChat Digest #4852 - Tuesday, October 26, 2004
 
Re: this week's mp3
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Sunday Morning Prelude "Blast"
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: this week's mp3
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net>
RE: Cresc and Decresc in French Music
  by "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com>
Where is everyone?
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: Where is everyone?
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Re: Where is everyone?
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
CD's in worship a.k.a FOILED AGAIN
  by "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net>
Re: Cresc and Decresc in French Music
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
RE: Cresc and Decresc in French Music
  by "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com>
Re: CD's in worship a.k.a FOILED AGAIN
  by "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com>
Re: CD's in worship a.k.a FOILED AGAIN
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Cresc and Decresc in French Music
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
leon boellmann
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Cresc and Decresc in French Music
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
combination action at St. Sulpice
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: leon boellmann
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
Re: leon boellmann
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Where is everyone?
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: CD's in worship a.k.a FOILED AGAIN
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: this week's mp3 From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:54:50 -0400   On 10/26/04 1:46 AM, "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> wrote:   > This week's mp3 is Steve Best's Celebration Fanfare: > > http://www.blackiris.com/orwig/Celefan.mp3 > > Enjoy.... > Enjoyed indeed. Thanks to Steve and Jonathan.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Sunday Morning Prelude "Blast" From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:43:40 -0600   Good Morning, Glenda, et al: I love this story about the sound guy playing some "sort of canned praise music. I swear to you it had no tune and the words were unintelligible." One of my jobs as a deacon in my own church and only musician willing to be out of the choir (to run the sound system for proper balance, etc.) was being head of Sound and Recording Team. We called a new Pastor in 1993, and he wanted me to play some "upbeat music" until time for the organist to start the prelude. We worked out the signals with the organist. She knew when the canned music would end, and that left her exactly the time she requested to play the prelude. This was working well. However, we had some "cranky old women" who had no use for music before church, canned or otherwise. They insisted on talking. The new Pastor's fellow staff-type people were also assigned to go about in the congregation, glad-handing and smiling their greetings to anyone they could greet. It was vocal bedlam. I kept the canned music rather restrained, but the people talked even louder. The Pastor observed what was happening, and asked me if I could turn it up louder. "Sure," I said. "We can imitate Rock and Roll with our system." So, I followed his instructions and turned it up louder. This went on for a couple of weeks, becoming ever-increasingly louder. Enter: one of the "Cranky Old Women." "DICK !!!" she said loudly in my ear. "Cut that stuff off. We want to talk. We can listen to the radio at home or in the car." As far as I was concerned, that was the end of that. The preacher asked me (next week) why no music. I simply reported what I was told by "Cranky Old Woman." <grins> To the point, I never played that stuff before the organist played the prelude again. I am so glad that the Pastor took another job. We have a proper, reverent atmosphere for the prelude now, because the on-going staff preachers decided to have announcements, read a Bible passage, lead us in an opening prayer, and encourage the people to continue in prayer during the organ prelude. Good difference in behavior. I like it. F. Richard Burt ..    
(back) Subject: Re: this week's mp3 From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:57:15 -0700   Glad you enjoyed it!   -J   Alan Freed wrote:   >On 10/26/04 1:46 AM, "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> wrote: > > > >>This week's mp3 is Steve Best's Celebration Fanfare: >> >>http://www.blackiris.com/orwig/Celefan.mp3 >> >>Enjoy.... >> >> >> >Enjoyed indeed. Thanks to Steve and Jonathan. > >Alan > > >    
(back) Subject: RE: Cresc and Decresc in French Music From: "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:32:04 -0500   Paul Emmons wrote:   =20   How often, then, are recordings of these Cavaille-Coll and other complex = 19th-century instruments made with the help of assistants who not only ta= ke care of registration but might do more than that? It seems to me that= program notes ought to mention such console assistants, even perhaps nam= e them, but I'm not aware of any recordings for which this is done. I've = long been curious as to how often a marvelous recorded organ performance = has been accomplished with one or more assistants. Knowing about this = would tend to relieve one's guilt and sense of inadequacy at not being ca= pable of such a feat oneself. =20   =20   I've seen Sophie-V=E9ronique CHOPLIN play a mass on the gallery organ at = Ste-Sulpice, and she had no such assistant at the console. In fact, I sa= t on the bench and watched her work the swell-lever myself as she played = repertoire during the prelude, offertory, and postlude-and it was quite a= mazing to see her foot dash from the pedal-clavier to the swell, and back= again. Such a feat takes an intimate knowledge of any organ. In additi= on, she worked the stops herself throughout the course of the pieces she = played, and of course, with the use of the ventils. Quite stunning, it w= as.   =20   Stephen Bicknell and others have described the atmosphere of the a Parisi= an organ tribune 80 years ago as sometimes being similar to a salon. Fas= hionable acquaintances, not necessarily students or other organists, but = especially admiring young ladies in some cases, would gather around the c= onsole regularly in groups of over half a dozen. Everyone in this circle= might converse quietly during the mass at least when the Titulaire was n= ot playing. Bicknell has called it a splendidly worldly counterpart to t= he splendidly spiritual goings-on at the other end of the building, as th= ough this juxtaposition contributed to the charm of the dialogue in the F= rench aesthetic view. The fact that the organist could both follow such a= conversation and be constantly aware=20 of the progress of the liturgy, never missing a cue, was among the abili= ties others held in awe. I don't remember any mention anywhere, however,= of anyone's sharing the bench for the sake of working the swell pedal.   =20   In addition, I've been to the organ lofts at La Madeleine Church to see F= rancois-Henri HOUBART and at La Trinite to see Naji HAKIM play for servic= es, and the organ tribune/salon tradition is still quite strong, accordin= g to my observations. Houbart answered the phone at least twice during t= he service, once right before playing, and carried on conversations with = those around him while playing. Hakim had quite a crowd of observers/fan= s surrounding him as he played the postlude on the Sunday I attended La T= rinite. In my limited experience, conversations in the organ loft were i= n no way disturbing to the service, on account of the distance between pa= rishioners and organist/guests.   =20   In all these cases, and others I was privileged to observe, the organist = always had full control over the console; one must merely learn what must= be done in order to work the mechanisms. These musicians are masters of= both their art and their instruments, and they know how to produce stunn= ing results-in many cases, on very old instruments with original consoles= , like at Ste-Sulpice. La Madeleine and La Trinite, I believe both have r= eplacement consoles. =20   =20   It is important to remember that a large portion of the Romantic French r= epertoire was written on Cavaille-Coll organs-complete with flat pedalboa= rds and lever swells to the far right. Perhaps those instruments are no= t to our "standards," but they are built to a standard that those musicia= ns can understand and adapt to.   =20   Daniel Hancock   Springfield, Missouri   =20  
(back) Subject: Where is everyone? From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:31:58 EDT   Where is everyone. I have received only 5 posts from Pipechat in the past = 2 days. Is there a problem with the post or is everyone just busy? Lee  
(back) Subject: Re: Where is everyone? From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:46:25 -0400   At 05:31 PM 2004-10-26 -0400, you wrote: >Where is everyone. I have received only 5 posts from Pipechat in the = past >2 days. Is there a problem with the post or is everyone just busy? Lee   Hi,   We are all getting ORGAN-ized.   AV  
(back) Subject: Re: Where is everyone? From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:48:19 -0600   Hi, Lee: =20 Went down to Greenvine Saturday to record the=20 dedication ceremony and the new organ's first=20 proper recital. Ann Sommer played a beautiful=20 service. This was the 120th anniversary for=20 Emmanuel Lutheran Church. Our little Sweelinck=20 did quite well. =20 Otherwise, things are beginning to get busy=20 with preparations for Thanksgiving and Christmas=20 celebrations around Garland. =20 Dick Burt =20 =20 .. Where is everyone. I have received only 5 posts from=20 Pipechat in the past 2 days. Is there a problem with=20 the post or is everyone just busy? =20   Lee
(back) Subject: CD's in worship a.k.a FOILED AGAIN From: "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:09:06 -0400   Hi, colleagues, Am happy to say the clergy where I'm serving have jumped onto the "no prerecorded CD" bandwagon. They routinely tell brides and families that we don't play CD's in worship because it's against our philosophy and we have capable live musicians available. And it has worked very well in 90% of the weddings and funerals. The ONLY wrinkle has, just today, occurred again, and it is: The family (bridal or grieving) chooses a beloved soloist, who mysteriously delays speaking or practicing with me, ostensibly because of nerves or scheduling. Only to find out in the 11th hour that the soloist has no printed music whatsoever and has never intended for me to accompany. You guessed it, TRAX on a CD. The first time, it was a cousin of the bride, whose voice quavered as she said "Well, I guess you'll just have to tell Cindy you won't let me sing at her WAAA-DDEEEN <sobs>". Bah, humbug. Today I was further duped because the family told the Pastor they agreed wholeheartedly with our philosophy. In two hours I got a note from the church secretary with the soloist's phone number. Of course, when I called the soloist and cheerfully announced that I understood he was singing the funeral and I would accompany him, I got stone-cold-silence. Then "You're going to what?" You guessed it again! He has no intention of not doing what he "always does", which is haul in a karaoke machine. "I have done this at your church and in that very Sanctuary before." I said that was completely possible, but since I was new, the operating policy might have changed somewhat. Whereupon he simply accused me of being inflexible and selfish. I refrained from pointing out that in insisting on doing what he "always does" , he started it. <grin> I simply said "OK, from what I'm hearing, you have everything you need already?" At times, it seems like all I can do is pray for a judiciously timed power outage. Chuck Peery St. Louis    
(back) Subject: Re: Cresc and Decresc in French Music From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:14:15 -0700   St. Sulpice and one other C-C organ (Notre Dame?) had one or two "free" combination levers ... I have read the descriptions MANY times, but I have NEVER understood how the mechanism worked.   According to accounts, they could be used, and then be disengaged and reset with another combination by an assistant while the organist was playing (much the same as German free combinations).   Evidently they were so expensive to build that C-C never attempted them again. Like a lot of organ-builders both before and after him, his masterpiece at St. Sulpice nearly bankrupted him.   Cheers,   Bud          
(back) Subject: RE: Cresc and Decresc in French Music From: "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:20:53 -0500   Hi Bud-     I'd be interested to know what descriptions you're referring to, and where I might find them...   =20   Best Regards,   =20   Daniel Hancock   Springfield, Missouri   =20   =20   St. Sulpice and one other C-C organ (Notre Dame?) had one or two "free"=20   combination levers ... I have read the descriptions MANY times, but I=20   have NEVER understood how the mechanism worked.   =20   According to accounts, they could be used, and then be disengaged and=20   reset with another combination by an assistant while the organist was=20   playing (much the same as German free combinations).   =20   Evidently they were so expensive to build that C-C never attempted them=20   again. Like a lot of organ-builders both before and after him, his=20   masterpiece at St. Sulpice nearly bankrupted him.   =20   Cheers,   =20   Bud   =20   =20  
(back) Subject: Re: CD's in worship a.k.a FOILED AGAIN From: "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:26:19 -0500   Hi! If you want some good references from theologians about the issue of why we have "live" music in church instead of "canned" music, take a look at the "Principles for Worship" volume of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America's "Renewing Worship" materials. This is part of a whole project of GOOD worship renewal going on in the ELCA. This volume has a whole section of good sound theological reflection about the role of music in worship (specifically in a service of both word and table) Though it is geared toward the Lutheran Tradition, the information is applicable for anyone.   This, as well as the other volumes in the series included to books of hymns and songs, can be found at http://www.augsburgfortress.org, the website of the ELCA publishing house.     Blessings, Beau Surratt Director of Music and Organist First United Lutheran Church, ELCA 6705 Hohman Ave. Hammond, IN 46324     They routinely tell brides and families > that we don't play CD's in worship because it's against our philosophy > and we have capable live musicians available.      
(back) Subject: Re: CD's in worship a.k.a FOILED AGAIN From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:41:34 -0400   well, you're a hell of a lot nicer than i would have been... i'd have = told the guy, "it's not up for discussion. you either use the church = musicians or you don't sing."   i've done so before & only the soloist got mad. and to that i say, "big = fat hairy deal."   scot   In a message dated 10/26/2004 5:09:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Charles = Peery <cepeery@earthlink.net> writes:   >Hi, colleagues, >Am happy to say the clergy where I'm serving have jumped onto the "no >prerecorded CD" bandwagon. =A0They routinely tell brides and families >that we don't play CD's in worship because it's against our philosophy >and we have capable live musicians available. =A0And it has worked very >well in 90% of the weddings and funerals. =A0The ONLY wrinkle has, just >today, occurred again, and it is: >The family (bridal or grieving) chooses a beloved soloist, who >mysteriously delays speaking or practicing with me, ostensibly because >of nerves or scheduling. =A0 Only to find out in the 11th hour that the >soloist has no printed music whatsoever and has never intended for me >to accompany. =A0You guessed it, TRAX on a CD. =A0 The first time, it was = a >cousin of the bride, whose voice quavered as she said "Well, I guess >you'll just have to tell Cindy you won't let me sing at her WAAA-DDEEEN ><sobs>". =A0Bah, humbug. >Today I was further duped because the family told the Pastor they >agreed wholeheartedly with our philosophy. =A0In two hours I got a note >from the church secretary with the soloist's phone number. =A0Of course, >when I called the soloist and cheerfully announced that I understood he >was singing the funeral and I would accompany him, I got >stone-cold-silence. =A0Then "You're going to what?" =A0You guessed it >again! =A0He has no intention of not doing what he "always does", which >is haul in a karaoke machine. =A0"I have done this at your church and in >that very Sanctuary before." =A0I said that was completely possible, but >since I was new, the operating policy might have changed somewhat. =A0 >Whereupon he simply accused me of being inflexible and selfish. =A0I >refrained from pointing out that in insisting on doing what he "always >does" , he started it. =A0<grin> =A0 I simply said "OK, from what I'm >hearing, you have everything you need already?" =A0At times, it seems >like all I can do is pray for a judiciously timed power outage. >Chuck Peery >St. Louis > > >****************************************************************** >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: =A0A =A0discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related = topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: =A0mailto:admin@pipechat.org >List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Cresc and Decresc in French Music From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:18:02 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 5:14 PM Subject: Re: Cresc and Decresc in French Music     > St. Sulpice and one other C-C organ (Notre Dame?) had one or two "free" > combination levers ... I have read the descriptions MANY times, but I > have NEVER understood how the mechanism worked.   Nor, by all accounts, did anyone else. Gabriel Faur=E9 was for a time the organiste de chour at Saint Sulpice, and on one occasion found himself having to fill in for Widor on the grand orgue. He played the entire service on the Tuba, the only stop that wasn't on the combination action, because he couldn't figure out how anything else worked.   John.      
(back) Subject: leon boellmann From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:18:18 -0400   can someone help me out? this weekend, being one of the very rare = occurences of halloween falling on a sunday, i'm playing boellmann's = toccata from the suite gothique for postlude. as usual, i like to put = interesting tidbits in the bulletin so the congregation can relate better = to whatever i'm playing.   i'm trying to find biographical info on leon boellmann, and am coming up = shorthanded. i've found a few web sites via google, and have looked in = the corliss arnold and kratzenstein books, but they have almost nothing on = his life or works. can anyone tell me something more about this composer?   thanks a bunch!   scot in spokane  
(back) Subject: Re: Cresc and Decresc in French Music From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:23:12 -0400   In a message dated 10/26/2004 7:18:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "John L. = Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> writes:   Gabriel Faur=E9 was for a time the organiste de chour at Saint Sulpice, = and on one occasion found himself having to fill in for Widor on the grand = orgue. =A0He played the entire service on the Tuba, the only stop that = wasn't on the combination action, because he couldn't figure out how anything else worked.>>   now that is GOOD! hope it was enclosed, although i think i already know = the answer...  
(back) Subject: combination action at St. Sulpice From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:38:11 -0700   Somebody help me out here ... was it in Sumner's "The Organ"? My library (what's left of it) is packed for the move ... we have to be out of here by Nov. 1.   Did the later Douglass book cover this? I could never afford to buy it (chuckle).   Cheers,   Bud   Daniel Hancock wrote:   > Hi Bud=97 > > > I=92d be interested to know what descriptions you=92re referring to, and =   > where I might find them=85 > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Daniel Hancock > > Springfield, Missouri > > > > > > St. Sulpice and one other C-C organ (Notre Dame?) had one or two "free" > > combination levers ... I have read the descriptions MANY times, but I > > have NEVER understood how the mechanism worked. > > > > According to accounts, they could be used, and then be disengaged and > > reset with another combination by an assistant while the organist was > > playing (much the same as German free combinations). > > > > Evidently they were so expensive to build that C-C never attempted them > > again. Like a lot of organ-builders both before and after him, his > > masterpiece at St. Sulpice nearly bankrupted him. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bud > > > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: leon boellmann From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:46:17 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 6:18 PM Subject: leon boellmann     > i'm trying to find biographical info on leon boellmann, and am coming up shorthanded. i've found a few web sites via google, and have looked in = the corliss arnold and kratzenstein books, but they have almost nothing on his life or works.   I'm afraid there isn't a tremendous amount to tell since he didn't live = very long. He was born in Enisheim, Alsace, then under French rule, in 1867, = and died in Paris in 1897. He studied music at the Niedermeyer School in = Paris, where his teacher was Eug=E8ne Gigout. He then became organist of St. = Vincent de Paul in Paris, where there was a Cavaill=E9-Coll organ. And then he = died. If you can read French there is a fairly extended piece on him at http://www.musimem.com/boellmann.htm   John Speller      
(back) Subject: Re: leon boellmann From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:54:47 -0400   thanks, john. anybody know of a good translater web site? :)   scot  
(back) Subject: Re: Where is everyone? From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:10:03 EDT   Hello OMusic@aol.com, In reference to your comment:     or is everyone just busy?   Busy? Who, me? Is that kinda related to STRESSSSSSSSS????? BF is back in the hospital, daughter finally got her driver's licence and =   car, cat and dog are still fighting, grandson is growing visibly....... = other than that, all's calm. Victoria  
(back) Subject: Re: CD's in worship a.k.a FOILED AGAIN From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:12:01 EDT   Hello cepeery@earthlink.net,     In reference to your comment: At times, it seems like all I can do is pray for a judiciously timed power outage. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   Well, Chuck, I guess you will just have to get creative. <EG>     Victoria