PipeChat Digest #4856 - Friday, October 29, 2004
 
Re: Halloween Organ
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
RE: Halloween Organ
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Spooky music
  by "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Spookiest Music (was Halloween Organ)
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Halloween Organ
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Subject: organ on ebay
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: Spookiest Music (was Halloween Organ)
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: Spookiest Music (was Halloween Organ)
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net>
RE: Spookiest Music (was Halloween Organ)
  by "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com>
Re: Spookiest Music (was Halloween Organ)
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Subject: Re: organ on ebay
  by "Charlie Lester" <crl@137.com>
The Ghost and Mr. Chicken
  by "Charlie Lester" <crl@137.com>
RE: Halloween Organ
  by "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net>
Two Spooky Suggestions
  by <Lewwill@aol.com>
Do you know where I can find Pipedreams on the net?
  by "Jerry Richer" <jerry@ChirpingBat.Com>
Do you know where I can find Pipedreams on the net?
  by "Jerry Richer" <jerry@ChirpingBat.Com>
RE: Do you know where I can find Pipedreams on the net?
  by "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com>
Re: Paradigmatic........
  by "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr>
Boston
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: That gem of an organ on eBay
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
RE: Halloween Organ
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Pedaling Arpeggios
  by "mpm1927op4933" <mpm1927op4933@yahoo.com>
Funeral march for a marionette for organ - public domain
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Pedaling Arpeggios
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Rooms and their "Keys" ... Ghost notes
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
sources for parts, available editions of Handel organ concerti
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
G. Rossini Church Sonatas?
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Organ in Wood worker magazine
  by "John Jarvis" <jljarvis@comcast.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Halloween Organ From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 05:31:55 EDT     In a message dated 10/28/04 12:54:01 AM, cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk writes:     > For those who want to create something really macabre > at the organ, I would suggest mixing the Toccata in D > minor and the Lloyd Webber "Phantom of the opera." >   I think the Webber can accomplish that on its own! LOL         Gregory Ceurvorst 1921 Sherman Ave. #GS Evanston, IL 60201 847.332.2788 home/fax 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net  
(back) Subject: RE: Halloween Organ From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:58:33 -0500   The "Marionette" thingee by what's-his-name (my mind it totally fried this morning, but I can see it in my mind) is appropriate Halloween music. You know - the theme from 'Alfred Hitchcock Presents'. And in fact it is in the public domain, on the Library of Congress website if you search. That's where I found it. The copy is pretty small and foggy, just to warn you.   Glad I could be so helpful - NOT!   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Re: Spooky music From: "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:45:44 +0200 (CEST)   A recording of Thomas Murray playing the piece used to be available at http://www.orgel.com/cube/music-e.html (the link is still there but I can't get it to work). I don't know whether he had transcribed it himself.   Bj=F8rn Andor Drage's transcriptions were published by Cantando a few years ago. I think they're still available from the OHS Catalogue.   - Jarle http://jarle.moo.no    
(back) Subject: Re: Spookiest Music (was Halloween Organ) From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:02:33 EDT   In a message dated 10/27/04 10:54:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk writes:   > It's a pity that the spookiest music ever written > IMHO, has to the horrendously difficult piano work > "Gaspard de la Nuit" by Ravel.   IMO, the spookiest music i ever heard is the reubke organ sonata, and the spookiest performance of it i ever heard was john weaver's at grace = cathedral in SF at the AGO convention. very atmospheric and unbelievably violent! = wish that performance was available on cd, but since it isn't, i just continue = to wear out my cassette tape.   scot  
(back) Subject: Re: Halloween Organ From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:04:10 EDT   In a message dated 10/28/04 5:06:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gksjd85@direcway.com writes:   > The "Marionette" thingee by what's-his-name (my mind it totally fried > this morning, but I can see it in my mind) is appropriate Halloween > music. You know - the theme from 'Alfred Hitchcock Presents'. And in > fact it is in the public domain, on the Library of Congress website if > you search. That's where I found it. The copy is pretty small and > foggy, just to warn you.   gounod's funeral march of a marionette? thanks for the info, glenda. i shall get it asap!   scot  
(back) Subject: Subject: organ on ebay From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:14:51 EDT   Yikes!   I think they are asking too much considering the way it has been disassembled. I looked at the pictures. The pipework is stacked up like = cordwood. Whoever took this venerable old instrument apart wasn't an organ builder. If it's = ever put back together it will take many man hours putting pipes on mandrels to =   press out the dents. Unfortunately I have seen this kind of thing before. = I was given a basement full of pipes from a failed home organ. The wooden pipes = held up but the metal pipes ended up in the melting pot. They could have been saved but the time, and therefore money, spent putting them right could = just as well buy good recycled pipes that haven't been smashed. The problem is = that non - organ people just don't know how fragile pipes are. Often they think = that metal pipes are made out of aluminum, steel, pewter or brass.   Cheers:   Alan B  
(back) Subject: Re: Spookiest Music (was Halloween Organ) From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:26:58 EDT   How about the theme from the Pink Panther. It is spooky. Sorry not to be = of help. I am playing the Bach T & F Sunday Night. That's about as spooky = as I get. But another spooky Toccata in D Minor is the Nevin. Lee  
(back) Subject: Re: Spookiest Music (was Halloween Organ) From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:35:30 -0700   Hmmmm   I may be wrong, but I think no one has mentioned the 1st mvt of Widor's 9th.... others:   Durufle Toccata Guillou Toccata Schneider's "Schafles Brueder"   -Jonathan   OMusic@aol.com wrote:   > How about the theme from the Pink Panther. It is spooky. Sorry not > to be of help. I am playing the Bach T & F Sunday Night. That's > about as spooky as I get. But another spooky Toccata in D Minor is the > Nevin. Lee      
(back) Subject: RE: Spookiest Music (was Halloween Organ) From: "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:52:04 -0500   The following program is from this week's PipeDreams program (see http://= pipedreams.publicradio.org/) and mentions several of the pieces that have= already been included on this thread, as well as a few that haven't.   =20   Perhaps I won't attempt a rendition of "A Diet of Worms" this week for th= e prelude, though....   =20   Daniel Hancock   Springfield, Missouri   =20   =20   J. S. BACH: Toccata in d, S. 565=20   ANDREW LLOYD-WEBBER: Phantom of the Opera (medley) -Bill Chouinard=20   LOUIS VIERNE: Fantomes, fr Pieces de Fantasie, Op. 54, no. 4=20   LEON BO=CBLLMANN: Toccata, fr Gothic Suite=20   JEAN LANGLAIS: Scherzo (Cats), fr American Suite=20   MICHAEL HORVIT: A Diet of Worms?=20   FERRUCCIO BUSONI: Scenic Intermezzo, fr Doktor Faust=20   D. R. MUNRO: Caprice in g -Thomas Heywood=20   PETR EBEN: Walpurgis Night, fr Faust=20   LOUIS VIERNE: Gargoyles and Chimeras, fr Pieces de Fantasie, Op. 55, no.= 5 CHARLES-MARIE WIDOR: Allegro, fr Symphony No. 6 in g, Op. 42, no. 2 (= cadenza by Guillou)=20   =20  
(back) Subject: Re: Spookiest Music (was Halloween Organ) From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:52:07 -0400   how about durufle's prelude from the suite? it always sounds like someone = having a bad dream from which they don't awaken... just keep tossing & = turning (kinda like i did last night).   scot  
(back) Subject: Subject: Re: organ on ebay From: "Charlie Lester" <crl@137.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:50:12 -0700   (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D16219&item=3D3757= 747701&rd=3D1)   Well, I'd say $10K for this treasure is quite a bargain. Surely someone should snap it right up. Reinstallation will be a breeze.   More likely, all you'll GET when you reinstall it IS a breeze (from the blower, assuming it runs).   Anyone who is feeling tempted to succumb to this temptation should keep this in mind: How apt indeed it is that this organ should have been a gift from P. T. Barnum ---- who is noted for having observed, "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public" and "A sucker is born every minute."   ~ C   P.S. Despite eBay having rather fairly won the reputation of being the world's largest "trashy flea market," great finds and bargains are to be had for those willing to troll the listings diligently and skillfully. Interesting and offbeat organ-related items do appear quite frequently, even, sometimes, complete pipe organs -- sometimes in perfect working order.   Not too long ago there was a listing for a very lovely 2M EP organ in the Midwest - a church having gone "happy-clappy," wanted the space being "wasted" by the pipes to put in a big-screen projection system to use with their "Hymns in a Box" CD system.   Apparently the person who listed the organ got quite a few hand-smacks as he appended his auction with a note, "Would certain people PLEASE stop writing their busybody criticisms about this auction ... we DO NOT USE the pipe organ. We DO NOT NEED the pipe organ. Removing it was OUR DECISION, and is OUR BUSINESS. Thank you." Or something to that effect. It may have been phrased a bit more charitably, but that was the gist of it -- "Bug off, nosey people!"   And So It Goes.   ~ C      
(back) Subject: The Ghost and Mr. Chicken From: "Charlie Lester" <crl@137.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:25:58 -0700   "The Ghost and Mr. Chicken" is an UTTERLY DELIGHTFUL film. An absolute gem. I have watched it many times over the years and was elated when it came out on video. I, too, have often wondered who wrote the "scary dirge" that we hear on the organ.   n.b., I have a hunch that the house and organ, or at least part of it, were real and not just movie sets. The organ had an ornate case tucked into an alcove above a large stair case, and the console was in an alcove below the case. It seems the console was Aeolian-style with domino-type stops. [But won't swear to it, it has been a while since I watched the film.] This certainly would have been likely in a large house organ, so it may well have been a real house, or patterned after one. Perhaps in this case, the art directors were uncommonly diligent in their research about organs! (e.g. usually ridiculous-looking!)   Another WONDERFUL film from the same era, and featuring a "related" person (*) in terms of TV, was "Angel in my Pocket" which stars Andy Griffith as the pastor of a small church. One of the situations involves getting a new organ for the church. For those who have not seen this hilarious film I won't give away too much --- if you have not seen it, drop everything and RUN, do not walk, to your local video store and rent it! Why not also get "The Ghost and Mr. Chicken" while you're at it, and do a fun 'organ' double feature!   ~ C   ------- (*) For those under 40, Andy Griffith and Don Knotts starred together in the endearingly adorable, if sappily moralistic, TV sitcom "The Andy Griffith Show."      
(back) Subject: RE: Halloween Organ From: "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:27:42 -0400       On 28 Oct 2004 at 6:58, Glenda expounded:   > The "Marionette" thingee by what's-his-name (my mind it totally fried > this morning, but I can see it in my mind) is appropriate Halloween > music. You know - the theme from 'Alfred Hitchcock Presents'.   Something about an Orange, I think.   --Shirley, the Helpful, along with Glenda.    
(back) Subject: Two Spooky Suggestions From: <Lewwill@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:29:36 EDT   Hey List For my choices, I'd pick Messiaen's "Apparition de l'Eglise Eternelle" and = the Prelude from Durufle's "Suite." Both fill the spooky factor very = well. Lew Williams  
(back) Subject: Do you know where I can find Pipedreams on the net? From: "Jerry Richer" <jerry@ChirpingBat.Com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:30:39 -0400   Hello! Do you have a URL for Pipedreams. I used to have one but = the station discontinued the program. What ever happened to Pipes and = Pedals?   Jerry
(back) Subject: Do you know where I can find Pipedreams on the net? From: "Jerry Richer" <jerry@ChirpingBat.Com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:39:18 -0400   OK! never mind, sorry about that. I found it right away. I don't know why I had so much trouble finding it before. Thanks. This October = 25 program sounds interesting with all the thunder.   Jerry    
(back) Subject: RE: Do you know where I can find Pipedreams on the net? From: "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:44:23 -0500   =20   Hello! Do you have a URL for Pipedreams. I used to have one but the station discontinued the program. What ever happened to Pipes and Pedals?   =20   Jerry   =20   http://pipedreams.publicradio.org/  
(back) Subject: Re: Paradigmatic........ From: "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:28:55 +0300   paradigma : Greek for "example" paradigmateezo : to set an example pragmatikos : real, having substance I've never come across paradigmatikos, but many Greek words are poly syllabic - which is another Greek word from "poli" - meaning "many", originally from the Greek word for "City" and I expect you know syllabic! It's a bit like a Meccano or Lego set - you just add bits together. = Because of their poly-syllabic content most Greek words are very long, which is = why the Greeks speak very quickly, otherwise they would never get to the end = of a sentence. Harry Potter translated into Greek takes up half as many pages again as the English original! John Foss      
(back) Subject: Boston From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:25:34 -0400   Thanks to TommyLee and others for the kudos on the Red Sox. I am a = wreck, not having slept much lately, plus am in Tampa at my son's house instead of New England getting my house furnishings and belongings transferred from Punta Gorda to Tampa as my FL house is to be torn down due to water damage from Hurricane Charley etc. On topic, I plan to attend St. John's Episcopal, Tampa this Sunday to hear the excellent music by the M&B Choir at 9am, Elly Taylor, Director, with the Casavant/Wicks,Ambrosino 3 manual pipe organ. Sorry I will miss Boston Symphony Hall Open House on Nov. 7. Judy Ollikkala  
(back) Subject: Re: That gem of an organ on eBay From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:28:20 EDT   For starters, they are "not responsible for uninsured items lost or damaged by the Post Office," so even if the bulldoze all of that junk into = a padded envelope for you, and fit it through the drop slot in Baraboo, you MUST insure it. The seller is a dealer of scrap metal, knives, and hillbilly clothing from estate sales, and is obviously NOT well-versed in the intricacies of = pipe organ building or restoration. Otherwise, they would never have made the = error of showing a photograph of the mechanisms within those windchests, and = would have let it masquerade as a mechanical action organ. No bidders so far, but SOME hobbyist will probably pick it up and = delude themselves into thinking that they'll have a "grande orguelia de = rezidenzia" up and running in six weeks with the help of a bit of rubber cement and = some baggies. It's a shame that a real organbuilder was not called in from the start = -- they may have been able to find a client for it and carefully photographed = it and numbered the parts before removal and restoration.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City http://www.glucknewyork.com/ PS -- the most fragile pipes in the organ ARE the pewter ones, which = accounts for most of them!!!  
(back) Subject: RE: Halloween Organ From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:06:42 -0500   That=92s the one. I started to state =93Gounod=94 this morning, but = didn=92t trust myself.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of BlueeyedBear@aol.com   gounod's funeral march of a marionette?=A0 thanks for the info, = glenda.=A0 i shall get it asap!          
(back) Subject: Pedaling Arpeggios From: "mpm1927op4933" <mpm1927op4933@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:24:02 -0700 (PDT)   I've been learning pedaling recently. A friend provided me with a table of pedaling major scales. I've almost competed learning that and want to work on arpeggios. I'm wondering where I can find such a table. Does the L. Nilson book that people talked about recently contain such a table?   Thank you, Scott   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Funeral march for a marionette for organ - public domain From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:18:45 -0500   I honestly can't remember whether Library of Congress or the Smithsonian does this site (I'm about as wiped out as I've ever been), but if you go to:   http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/mussmquery.html   and type in the search block "Funeral March of a Marionette Gounod", it will take you to it. As I said, the copy is fuzzy, and I was unable to blow it up successfully. But on a good eyesight day when I am motivated, I can read it. Tonight is not one of those times.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com        
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling Arpeggios From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:47:56 -0700   They're in the Dupre Methode d'Orgue.   Cheers,   Bud   mpm1927op4933 wrote:   > I've been learning pedaling recently. A friend > provided me with a table of pedaling major scales. > I've almost competed learning that and want to work on > arpeggios. I'm wondering where I can find such a > table. Does the L. Nilson book that people talked > about recently contain such a table? > > Thank you, > Scott > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: Rooms and their "Keys" ... Ghost notes From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:30:34 -0700       Doug wrote:   > >> > > Sometimes the works themselves set off extraordinary effects. The Agnus = Dei > of the Victoria 'Missa Pro Victoria' a 9 has a remarkable passage where = a > tenth voices appears to materialize singing a high tonic. We caught it = on > tape once. The hair on my neck used to stand on end as we began the > movement knowing that ghost of Victoria was about to visit us if we got = it > right. > > > Doug Cowling > ___________________________________ > Director of Music & Liturgical Arts > Church of the Messiah > Toronto >   That's not illogical, given the complex harmonics sounding in a nine-voice chord ...   But I'm curious ... in organs, resultant tones are always BELOW the sounding pitches (or so I thought) ...   4 + 2 2/3 =3D 8' sound (sorta ... works best on notes 1-12) 8 + 5 1/3 =3D 16' sound (ditto) 16 + 10 2/3 =3D 32' sound (if you're lucky)   and so forth ... does anyone know of mixtures, cornets, etc. which take advantage of this phenomenon to create resultant tones ABOVE the sounding pitches, as Doug describes in the vocal parts of the Victoria?   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: sources for parts, available editions of Handel organ concerti From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:27:56 -0700   Are the Mercury/Biggs ed. still in print? What else is there besides the Schott/Walcha?   THANKS!   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: G. Rossini Church Sonatas? From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:35:27 -0700   Two violins, (viola?) and contrabass? Anybody know them? Publisher?   THANKS!   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Organ in Wood worker magazine From: "John Jarvis" <jljarvis@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:36:43 -0700   I am not able to locate a recent post that gave a URL to an article about organs that appears in a wood worker type of magazine. I would appreciate an email sent to me directly with this URL. Also, can someone tell me = where the archives of these posts are kept? The archive list on the Pipechat website only has archives through 2002.   Thanks in advance for your help.   John