PipeChat Digest #4730 - Wednesday, September 1, 2004
Re: a question I can't answer, forsooth!
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: What's with the bagpipes
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Subject: a question I can't answer, forsooth!
  by "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net>
Re: What's with the bagpipes
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Re: Subject: a question I can't answer, forsooth!
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
Re: Basic Piano Instruction
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: Piano selection
  by "Roy Kersey" <rkersey@tds.net>
Roy Kersey
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Re: Piano selection
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>

(back) Subject: Re: a question I can't answer, forsooth! From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:37:29 -0500   Liquescent wrote:   > Except that they don't have a musician to do it for them (chuckle). > They need a ready-made hymnal with accompaniment tracks that match the > printed book, so they can just push a button and go (grin).   Well, I didn't imagine that they did. I rather was thinking more of a computer savvy high school or junior high school type computer savvy young person who would know how to download these things, print out the music sheets for the week, for copying, and download the MIDI file, convert it to CD format, and burn the CD-RW....   And though I know how to do that, I'm not inclined to try to do that for someone so far away, either.   ns  
(back) Subject: Re: What's with the bagpipes From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:55:39 EDT   In a message dated 8/29/04 11:15:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = OMusic@aol.com writes:   << When my grandson passed away 3 years ago there was a graveside service with a Rabbi leading the service. As everyone was leaving there was a Bagpiper playing "Amazing Grace." >>   OK, I'll bite, since no one else has mentioned it. If a Rabbi was leading =   the service, was "Amazing Grace" a good choice of music. I don't remember =   seeing in many collections of Jewish music.   And as long as we're talking about bagpipes, the musicianship of the = pipers can make all the difference between a gosh darn awful performance and a = really great experience. I spent a bunch of years in one of the big service = bands in DC, and we occasionally went north over the border, and one many occasions =   did "gigs" with pipe bands. One dreadful experience had about 2 dozen = pipers, but they didn't know about tuning the drones or the chanters. The sound, = in a very reverberant amory, made many of us wish for instant deafness. OTOH, = we did a performance in Victoria, BC, with a group of maybe 8 pipers, but = since they knew about subteties such as tuning the instruments and matching = pitches, it was a much more pleasant experience. This concert was in a building = which had been a church, and while the acoustics weren't great, they did enhance = the sound of the band and bagpipes. (and though I may be rebuked for this statement, I felt the same kind of thrill from hearing the way they filled = the building as I do from hearing a really good organ filling a building).   The only downside to the event was that I had learned earlier that day = that you can take the tune to "Amazing Grace", and sing the words to "The = Ballad of Gilligan's Isle" to it. Guess which words I was thinking of?   Richard Spittel  
(back) Subject: Subject: a question I can't answer, forsooth! From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:00:20 -0400   Bud,   I tho't I read in your message that this church might be interested in a Baptist Hymnal in recorded form. I did not find our present Baptist = Hymnal listed in this form by the publisher, but the following site claims to = have the 1991 Baptist Hymnal in both MIDI files as well as orchestrated CDs.   Apparently, they also have "Contemporary Hymns for Worship and Praise", = "The Celebration Hymnal", and "The United Methodist Hymnal". I don't know anything about them.   http://www.midimarvels.com/Baptist_Product.htm   Following is the quip from the web page.   The Baptist Hymnal   We feature fully orchestrated arrangements of hymns from The Baptist = Hymnal (1991 Edition). MIDI Marvels is producing the entire hymnal in thirds. Currently, two-thirds of the hymnal are complete, providing high-quality accompaniment to churches at about $1.50 per song! If you prefer, you can purchase individual MIDI disks or CDs.   Respectfully submitted, Keith      
(back) Subject: Re: What's with the bagpipes From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:04:21 EDT   In a message dated 8/30/04 10:04:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kipsmith@getgoin.net writes:   << Now, if I could figure out a justification for placing that noisy = soprano soloist in the Swell chamber.....and close the shutters ;-) >>   How about because Virgil Fox did it at Brown Memorial Presbyterian Church = in Baltimore?  
(back) Subject: Re: Subject: a question I can't answer, forsooth! From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:27:36 -0400   At Frog Music Press we have recently licensed a MIDI hymnal, with the difference being that we are converting it all to only play organ registrations on the Rodgers and Rodgers-Interfaced Pipes.   We will begin shipping in 6 weeks.   --   noel jones, aago noeljones@frogmusic.com ----------------------------------- 1 877 249-5251 Athens, TN USA   www.frogmusic.com Rodgers Organ Users Group Frog Music Press - Organ and MIDI Music FMP Organ Music Search Service Rodgers Organ Design & Voicing Services      
(back) Subject: Re: Basic Piano Instruction From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:51:04 EDT   Sorry, this was supposed to go to Alan personally Lee  
(back) Subject: Re: Piano selection From: "Roy Kersey" <rkersey@tds.net> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 2:59:00 +0000   Dear Dennis and list, Maestro Ceurvorst gave some suggestions regarding a piano for = teaching on. I thought I would chime in with my experience selecting a = grand piano a number of years ago. My uncle tuned and sold pianos and = left me his tools. While I've never tuned enough to join the technicians = guild, I have tried and tuned a number of pianos. When I was searching = for a grand in the 1970's, I had occasion to attend Oren Brown's Voice = Workshop at Amherst College Music Department one summer. I tried all the = Steinway M's that I could in the practice rooms there and, while they were = nice pianos, I found that they all had a bit of a "break" in the bass = where the strings went from one bridge to the other. I also searched in my = hometown (Atlanta then) for a piano. My conclusion was that I had to go = to a 6 foot grand to find what I wanted in terms of tone. All the 5'10" = pianos didn't quite make it in that bridge area or for some other reason. = I ended up with a 1912 Starr Parlor Grand, a si! x footer which had been rebuilt in 1976. This piano had a great deal of = brilliance, but also had a very even scale in the bridge area and a very = nice bass. I also remember seeing a beautiful yellow oak Everette with = huge claw feet and a rope braid around the curve that was almost as big as = your wrist. It was a beautiful, if somewhat loud piece of furniture, but = the rebuilding job was poor, and tonally it just did not measure up. I = was so sad, I was an oak freak then as I am now, but the piano sounded = bad, even though the old Everettes had a very good reputation. I assume = it was a bad rebuild job, and, knowing who did it, that was not hard to = believe, he was a nasty man. I think a technician can tell you what the insides of the instrument = look like, and, most importantly, what shape the pinblock is in and = whether the piano is going to hold a tuning. Your ear will tell you = whether the piano is what you want tonally. Many old pianos have lost the = "crown" (downbearing) on the soundboard and therefore the life in their = tone. They may need a rebuild to regain it. If they aren't rebuilt = right, your ear will tell you that. When I was more familiar with this = field, in the 70's and 80's, the japanese pianos had a very good = reputation. My uncle told me that they often came into the showroom = shipped from Japan in better tune than the domestic models. So a Young = Chang or Yamaha might serve you well. However, my main point is that you = might find a good bargain in an older piano, providing the rebuild was = done well. Many of the older brands were good pianos in their day: Knabe, = Sommer, Chickering, Aeolian, Chilton, etc. How they are now will ! depend a lot on how they were rebuilt. My Starr was, I'm told, a second = tier piano (one notch below)to the Steinway and a copy of the Steinway = "A." It was massively built, much heavier than the newer six footers and = it rebuilt quite well. One other thing I learned. The Starr had a very tight new pinblock = when I bought it. Although we kept it fairly well, by the 90's the pins = were quite a bit looser and it could now stand to be rebuilt, probably = (when we get it out of long term storage, something I would never = recommend that you do, but that's another story . . . ). I now play on a = 1938 Knabe upright which needs a new set of strings. Not only are the = bass strings dead, but the treble strings just don't sustain any more . . = . I guess the metal has just deteriorated in crystal structure . . . = however, the pins on the Knabe are very tight, and I've been told that = this relates to the fact that the upright pinblock is pretty much sealed = in the piano case, whereas the grand's pinblock is open to drying air from = below . . . so use whatever means are prudent to keep your grand correctly = humidified to save the pinblock. Remember my grand pinblock lasted 25 = years, but the Knabe's is now 66 years old and still ! tight! I know we're a bit off topic here, but I guess all organists need a = piano to practice on. I wouldn't see anything wrong with a nice studio = (upright) piano if that's what fits in the studio and the budget, but I = would have to agree that you can create a lot more lust in your students = with a really nice grand, if you can manage to have one.   Best Regards, Roy Kersey Organ (and Piano) Enthusiast, Trumpet/Cornet Collector and Hacker    
(back) Subject: Roy Kersey From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:43:10 -0500   Roy, please e-mail me personally. I have a few questions about pianos. Thanks, Gary    
(back) Subject: Re: Piano selection From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 02:39:58 EDT   I guess my point is that if you walk into a piano showroom-and there is an = antique Steinway, Mason and Hamlin, Chickering, or Knabe-that 99.999% of = the time, it will make each and every new piano in there sound and feel like a =   cheap toy. Grand piano actions feel better to practice and play on because you have gravity working in favor of the action. I dare say that you could find = a fine old Steinway or Mason (6' minimum) for under 13k-if you look really = hard-and are patient. The bigger the better...a broader and warmer sound, and = organ like bass (he he he :) Just my thoughts, gfc ___________________________________________________________________________= ___ _________ _______________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________ _______________________________ ________________ Gregory Francis Ceurvorst 1921 Sherman Avenue # GS Evanston, IL 60201 847.332.2788 home/fax 708.243.2549 mobile _Home Email: gfc234@aol.com_ (mailto:gfc234@aol.com) _Mobile Email: gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net_ (mailto:gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net)