PipeChat Digest #4737 - Sunday, September 5, 2004
 
Re: Vierne's Final from 1st symphony
  by "Joel Armengaud" <joeout@apsydev.com>
St. Ignatius
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Questions/research
  by "John Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
RE: Questions/research
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
St. Mary the Virgin NYC
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Allegedly French organs in NYC
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Questions/research
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net>
Re: St. John the Divine
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
RE: Questions/research
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: E-BAY ITEM
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Stan & Charlie's concert - two tiny corrections [x-posted]
  by "Charlie Lester" <crl@137.com>
ORGANLive - Still alive!
  by "Brent Johnson" <brentmJ@charter.net>
Organ info previously requested
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
I WANT MY THIRD MANUAL (grin)
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Vierne's Final from 1st symphony From: "Joel Armengaud" <joeout@apsydev.com> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:48:47 +0200   Thanks for the information, very much appreciated. I will try to find this book immediately...   -Joel ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gfc234@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 12:21 AM Subject: Re: Vierne's Final from 1st symphony     In a message dated 9/3/2004 3:31:57 PM Central Daylight Time, = montre1978@yahoo.com writes: There is the book on Vierne that has a section of typos and = correction for=20 the various editions. I can't think of the name of it off hand. We = have a=20 copy here at the University of Illinois.   The book is Louis Vierne Organist of Notre Dame Cathedral by Rollin = Smith.   It is available through OHS-and is pricy. I think my copy was about = 80 bucks-worth every cent. Truly inspirational. gfc   = _________________________________________________________________________= ______________ = _______________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________ _______________________________ ________________ Gregory Francis Ceurvorst 1921 Sherman Avenue # GS=20 Evanston, IL 60201 847.332.2788 home/fax=20 708.243.2549 mobile Home Email: gfc234@aol.com Mobile Email: gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net  
(back) Subject: St. Ignatius From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:25:45 EDT   Bud mentioned that St. Ignatius was a Rodgers pipe-electronic combo. I thought St. Ignatius had some sort of "souped up" dual console Rodgers. = I didn't think that there were any pipes involved. I was thinking that it = was pure Rodgers and that there was no Ruffatti pipework involved. Am I = wrong? Malcolm, what sayest thou??? Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: Re: Questions/research From: "John Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 06:39:17 -0700 (PDT)   I think the instrument before the Rogers-Rufatti was the remains of a Hook = & Hastings, although I think the case was about all that was left. I = think the Mander was installed in around 1991. Personally, I rather doubt whether the Aeolian-Skinner at St. John the = Divine will ever play again. The corrosive deposit left by the fire has = been on the pipes and mechanism so long now that the instrument may soon = be unrepairable. John Speller   Liquescent <quilisma@cox.net> wrote:     Glenda wrote:   > (1) When did St. Ignatius NYC get its Mander? And what did it have > before the Mander?   A Rogers-Ruffati combo. Before that was a 19th century pipe organ, but I don't remember what.   Cheers,   Bud   > > (2) I'm looking for a church in NYC that has a really good organ, for > big French guy music, that was there 20-25 years ago in pretty much the > same condition (i.e., no major rebuilds/changes). I'm sure there are > plenty.      
(back) Subject: RE: Questions/research From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 08:58:43 -0500   You just will not do!   Have bought Nabokov's and Mitford's, but haven't started them yet - still working on my own and re-reading "Glittering Images" by Susan Howatch. I like the way she peels off the veneer on her characters - all these staid proper Anglican clergy are seething megalomanias or sexpots underneath. Glittering images indeed!   Yes, St. Mary the Virgin has a console down front.   Gotta go mow.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: St. Mary the Virgin NYC From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 07:31:56 -0700   St. Mary the Virgin has two consoles ... the new 4m Turner (?) in the rear gallery and a used (?) 3m Holtkamp behind a pillar in the chancel, which controls some (but not all) of the gallery organ.   The large chest (but not the pipes) from the Jardine chancel organ remains in place in the swallow's nest high on the Epistle side of the chancel, and there are plans for some kind of chancel organ, but nothing yet as far as I know. I remember reading that the chamber where the Jardine chest is located is spacious, and the chest re-useable, but the tonal egress is rather constricted.   I think there have always been "choir" stalls in the chancel; I don't know if the choir sang from there in days gone by. When I used to go to Mass there in the 1960s and 1970s, they were occupied by the Vestry, Trustees, and visiting clergy.   OTOH, the Jardine chancel division must have served some purpose at some time ... perhaps there was a ritual choir of men at some point. Or it could have been just a large Echo organ.   As to changes in the gallery organ, I think the thrust of the rebuild was to try and undo the changes made by Ernest White, install stops that had been prepared for, and make much needed mechanical repairs.   When I played it (long before any of this) the fourth manual was silent, but I don't recall now whether it had never been installed, or if it was just out of order. Both the organ and the E. M. Skinner console were in pretty shabby condition (late '60s / early '70s) but of course the sound in that room was absolutely glorious downstairs.   Cheers,   Bud   Glenda wrote:   > > Yes, St. Mary the Virgin has a console down front. > > Gotta go mow. > > Glenda Sutton > gksjd85@direcway.com > > > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Allegedly French organs in NYC From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:52:20 EDT   Saint Mary the Virgin has been changed many, many times, and bears = little resemblance to its original self. Much of the work was recent. Saint Bartholomew's remains essentially as it has been for the past = three decades or more, although I do not know if I would consider it a "French" organ. I guess by dint of its 225 ranks, it has enough to register in a = French manner. The city's large instruments, such as The Riverside Church, have been used effectively for all-French programs, but then again, that organ has undergone multiple revisions, and part of its evolution is recent. Since I = don't know what you're after, it's hard to give any recommendations or guesses as to where to direct you. There is one organ in NYC that has been rebuilt over and over and over =   for generations until it is a strident, harsh mess. Its sycophants have = always deemed it to be a "French" instrument and is nothing of the kind. I know of one very large organ designed, scaled, voiced, and finished specifically for the French symphonic repertoire, but it does not fall = into the category of "20 or more years old." The original Hook & Hastings of 1896 at Saint Ignatius Loyola was enlarged and reconstructed in 1913, the case split in half and reversed on = either side of the window. It was never successful. For years they had a Rogers = console up front with a Ruffatti Great chorus in the rear. The Mander dates from = 1993.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City http://www.glucknewyork.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Questions/research From: "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 11:19:42 -0400   John, if you had kept up with current events you would have know the organ WAS REMOVED a few years ago now and is being restored. Sscheduled to be finished in 2008. Insurance and grant money is paying for it and restoration of the Great Choir roof at long last. Mack   John Speller wrote:   > > > Personally, I rather doubt whether the Aeolian-Skinner at St. John the > Divine will ever play again. The corrosive deposit left by the fire > has been on the pipes and mechanism so long now that the instrument > may soon be unrepairable. > > > >  
(back) Subject: Re: St. John the Divine From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:05:49 EDT   Mack,   Your insensitive, if demeaning, remark to John Speller is uncalled for.   Information from St. John the Divine has been difficult to come by, particularly given the departure of Dorothy Papadakos and the quiet, = unannounced arrival of the new Cathedral organist.   Insurance payments have only VERY recently been determined, at last forthcoming, so John's (unhappy) assumption (while depressing) is not = surprising, given so little news from anyone directly associated with the world's largest Gothic Cathedral and the Great Organ.   Dale G. Rider Independence, Missouri 64050  
(back) Subject: RE: Questions/research From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 11:34:55 -0500   Sorry, I didn't look at my addressee carefully. Forgive the personal post, and play on through.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 01:35:42 +0800     From the photographs it would appear that this "Electric Pipe Organ" is ind= eed a Reed organ.   The low price and simplified single manual console design makes it appropri= ate for small churches where a pianist might be asked to sub on the organ t= o lead congregational hymn singing and choir anthems; could also be used as= an antiponal organ to complement the main organ ... But, can it be retrofi= t to send and receive MIDI? :-)   ----- Original Message ----- From: Miltronix2004@wmconnect.com Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 22:12:04 EDT To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: E-BAY ITEM   > Hey, all: > If you act *quick* EBAY has an >=20 > EMENEE ELECTRIC PIPE ORGAN... >=20 > I wonder if it's Direct-Electric (R) and they're now competing with Wicks= ,=20 > etc., or is it really a mis-described digital organ?? >=20 > Snap this up, folks; I think there's only one available. Great bargain, t= oo... >=20 > ;-) >=20 > Bill Miller, Norfolk VA       -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm   >  
(back) Subject: Stan & Charlie's concert - two tiny corrections [x-posted] From: "Charlie Lester" <crl@137.com> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 12:11:18 -0700   Hi, two little corrections to the concert announcement I sent 'round last night.   First- Stan won't be playing for a movie. I had wrong info on that. Too bad. --- But it will be a great concert anyway! :)   Second - admission prices are :   $12.00 regular $10.00 for OCTOS members.   Thx, and hope to see ya there!   ~ C        
(back) Subject: ORGANLive - Still alive! From: "Brent Johnson" <brentmJ@charter.net> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:54:02 -0500   Mack posted a couple of weeks ago that ORGANLive was on the brink of disappearing. I'm happy to say that with the help of multiple generous sponsors, our hosting has been renewed, and ORGANLive is still broadcasting on the net, 24 hours a day.   In the past year, we've expanded our library, changed over to a live broadcast format, and added a dial-up only stream as well as improved the quality of the broadband stream. This makes the music available to as many listeners as possible and while maintaining high-quality audio. Several people have reported difficulties between their browsers and the Live365 player window. If you fall into that category (or even if you don't) I recommend checking out the Live365 Radio program. It's a stand-alone program for tuning in Live365 stations. You can search through all their stations and maintain a list of presets without having to open a browser. It's free to all listeners, but it will expire after a trial period for non-preferred listeners. It can be downloaded from http://www.live365.com/dowloads.   For those that aren't fans of Live365, we've decided to stay with it only because it does actually return some of the hosting money we spend each month. If something happens to our live stream, we can quickly switch over to a pre-recorded broadcast on Live365's servers until the problem is resolved. This live broadcast format prevents Live365 from sticking their commercials into our broadcast. We still leave a few little announcements in to encourage listeners to support our broadcast, but we're doing as much as possible to focus on the music.   Speaking of music, our library has drastically increased, and we're working hard to quickly get it all edited and put it online for your listening pleasure.   That's it for now. Hope you'll keep enjoying ORGANLive. If you have comments or questions, we love hearing from listeners. Email ORGANLive at comments@organlive.com.   Brent Johnson ORGANLive - Music of the organ on demand http://www.organlive.com    
(back) Subject: Organ info previously requested From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 19:43:52 -0500   Thanks for the responses and help sent in my quest to obtain info for the Methodists. The consensus seems to be that 2 manuals, 20 ranks is more than enough - bummer (just because I've been wanting a 3-manual close by - guess I'll have to get one myself).   Please forgive me if I don't respond quickly to you:   (1) I am trying to compile the info to give to the committee members for perusal, and I assume the committee will contact you directly if interested, or ask me to. Some of you I am talking to directly, so keep the info coming.   (2) My mother just called upset because word is that Frances is going to plow across the state and plop into the Gulf of Mexico - the plotted destination is Walton County, Florida, around Monday. Just what I wanted - a hurricane party.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: I WANT MY THIRD MANUAL (grin) From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 18:23:17 -0700   Well, here's a solution that Buzard (and Moller and others before him) has employed to give three manuals for flexibility in service playing:   GREAT   8' Open Diapason 8' Chimney Flute 8' Gemshorn or English Dulciana 4' Octave 4' Gedeckt 2' Super Octave 2' Chimney Flute - 12 treble pipes (see below)   CHOIR   8' Open Diapason (12 bass pipes - ext. Gt. 4' Octave) 8' Gedeckt (12 bass pipes - ext. Gt. 4' Gedeckt) 8' Gemshorn or English Dulciana (gt) 8' Gemshorn Celeste or Unda maris 4' Octave (12 bass pipes - ext. Gt. 2' Super Octave) 4' Chimney Flute (12 treble pipes - ext. Gt. 8' Chimney Flute) (2' Fifteenth (12 treble pipes - ext. Gt. 4' Octave?) 2' Gedeckt (12 treble pipes - ext. gt. 4' Gedeckt)   There are endless permutations of that scheme, the main point being that nothing appears at adjacent pitches from unified ranks on the same manual, and what appears at 8' on one manual appears at 4' on the other, etc.. You MIGHT get away with making a 2' Fifteenth on the Choir from the Gt 4' Octave, but it would have to be scaled pretty carefully.   It presumes an all enclosed Great and Choir (which I would do on what is basically a two manual service-playing organ with three keyboards).   Cheers,   Bud   Glenda wrote:   > Thanks for the responses and help sent in my quest to obtain info for > the Methodists. The consensus seems to be that 2 manuals, 20 ranks is > more than enough - bummer (just because I've been wanting a 3-manual > close by - guess I'll have to get one myself). > > Please forgive me if I don't respond quickly to you: > > (1) I am trying to compile the info to give to the committee members for > perusal, and I assume the committee will contact you directly if > interested, or ask me to. Some of you I am talking to directly, so keep > the info coming. > > (2) My mother just called upset because word is that Frances is going to > plow across the state and plop into the Gulf of Mexico - the plotted > destination is Walton County, Florida, around Monday. Just what I wanted > - a hurricane party. > > Glenda Sutton > gksjd85@direcway.com > > > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >