PipeChat Digest #4739 - Monday, September 6, 2004
 
Re: Electronic Voicing
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Words
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Pet Peeve
  by "Andrew Barss" <asbarss@eastlink.ca>
RE: Pet Peeve; a little OT
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
RE: Bossi
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Moller name
  by "Jason M. Taylor" <Jason.M.Taylor@verizon.net>
Re: Bossi
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Pet Peeve; a little OT
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Pet Peeve
  by "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net>
Drawknobs
  by <AEolianSkinner@aol.com>
Re: Words
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: Pet Peeve; now totally OT
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Re: Words
  by "John Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
umlautedness
  by "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net>
Umlautedness #2
  by "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net>
Re: Pet Peeve
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Fwd: Re: Pet Peeve
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: the death of grammar
  by "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net>
Re: Bossi
  by "Domitila Ballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br>
Re: the death of grammar
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: the death of grammar
  by "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
RE: Ebay Item
  by "John Jarvis" <jljarvis@comcast.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Electronic Voicing From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:38:38 EDT   depending on name and brand   they are going into the digital domain and fooling around with the algorithms....   within the parameters of the note by note samples or every octave as some companies do.....   any more than that is way above my head.   dale drowning AGAIN in another FREAKIN hurricane.........so looking = forward to IVAN  
(back) Subject: Words From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:19:19 -0500   Pedal, peddle, petal. "The console is equipped with 25 peddles." = Arrgghhh!   Any musician should learn the difference between a cornet and a coronet.   I agree on lose and loose. It makes a great deal of difference whether = one "looses his dog" or "loses his dog."   What about "like" and "kinda"? "It was, like, really hot." Was it hot or not? Did it just feel hot?   We had a young man in worship request prayers for his friends who were "kinda in the hospital." That's like "a little pregnant." But many grammars permit the simplified possessive for a noun ending in s: "Jesus' blood." "Ross' pipe stoppers." I prefer this form--it is simpler and certainly easier to say.   Dennis Steckley Lover of Cats, Pipe Organs & 1940-65 Sewing Machines    
(back) Subject: Re: Pet Peeve From: "Andrew Barss" <asbarss@eastlink.ca> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 21:36:42 -0300   Cole,     On Sunday, September 5, 2004, at 07:11 PM, Cole wrote:   > Please, don't get me started; it is FORmidable, not forMIDable.     That one is a British versus North American pronunciation difference. I=20=   grew up with many British teachers who always used forMIDable rather=20 than FORmidable.   Then there's CONtroversy and conTROVersy -- another variation in=20 British versus North America pronunciation. One of my other favourites=20=   (sorry, you're American, "favorites" :-) ) is aluminum where, in North=20=   American, we pronounce phonetically as "a - lu - mi - num" whereas our=20=   British friends tend towards "al - yu - min - ee - um"   But hey, vive la diff=E9rence ... oh wait ... that's French!   Regards, Andrew Barss Halifax, Nova Scotia=    
(back) Subject: RE: Pet Peeve; a little OT From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 19:37:29 -0500   There's only one correct way to punctuate that! Thank you, Randy.   Sorry - I broke my promise about off-topic posting.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Merry Foxworth Speaking of punctuation, how would you punctuate this:   Woman without her man is nothing          
(back) Subject: RE: Bossi From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 19:37:29 -0500   Domitilia, I have the Peters Volume 2, and there is no forward or performance notes regarding the music therein. I have been unable to find and order any other Bossi works or volumes, trying with several music dealers across the country and on-line.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Domitila Ballesteros Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 5:59 PM To: pipeChat Subject: Bossi   Hello, list.   Has somebody the volume II of Bossi Orgelwerke, of Peters publisher? If, 'yes', please, I need to know if this book contain a forward about the pieces, especially about 'Legende' op. 132 no. 1.Any information about on the matter will be appreciated (especially about registration in Bossi).        
(back) Subject: Moller name From: "Jason M. Taylor" <Jason.M.Taylor@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 20:39:39 -0400   The Moller Theatre Organ which I maintain, circa 1928, does have the = umlat.      
(back) Subject: Re: Bossi From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 20:46:41 -0400   I have Bossi I, and there's no introductory material there, either.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu       on 9/5/04 8:37 PM, Glenda at gksjd85@direcway.com wrote:   > Domitilia, I have the Peters Volume 2, and there is no forward or > performance notes regarding the music therein. I have been unable to > find and order any other Bossi works or volumes, trying with several > music dealers across the country and on-line. > > Glenda Sutton > gksjd85@direcway.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of > Domitila Ballesteros > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 5:59 PM > To: pipeChat > Subject: Bossi > > Hello, list. > > Has somebody the volume II of Bossi Orgelwerke, of Peters publisher? > If, 'yes', please, I need to know if this book contain a forward about > the pieces, especially about 'Legende' op. 132 no. 1.Any information > about on the matter will be appreciated (especially about registration > in Bossi). > > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >    
(back) Subject: Re: Pet Peeve; a little OT From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 20:47:24 -0400   Glad you approve, Glenda!     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu       on 9/5/04 8:37 PM, Glenda at gksjd85@direcway.com wrote:   > There's only one correct way to punctuate that! Thank you, Randy. > > Sorry - I broke my promise about off-topic posting. > > Glenda Sutton > gksjd85@direcway.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of > Merry Foxworth > Speaking of punctuation, how would you punctuate this: > > Woman without her man is nothing > > > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >    
(back) Subject: Re: Pet Peeve From: "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:51:32 -0500   WOE ARE US! I agree "hole hearted"! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> To: <RMB10@aol.com>; <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 10:16 AM Subject: Re: Pet Peeve     Dear Monty: The same lack of care and attention is what makes people constantly tal= k about a "Skinner" in a church -- especially when the fane in question never even HAD a Skinner Organ Company organ, Ernest M. Skinner & Son, or=20 otherwise. They do not distinguish between Skinner (in its various forms), and AEolian-Skinner. I was particularly stunned by a recent incorrect post from= =20 somebody who claims to be an expert devot=E9 of both Skinner and AEolian-Skinner. We all make errors in spelling, grammar, and word order, especially whe= n hammering out responses on chat lists, but in the past few years, this=20 nation has descended into a quagmire of people who cannot distinguish between "you're" and "your," even cowering behind the offensive newspeak of "ur" (i= s=20 that Ur of the Chaldees, birthplace of the prophet Abraham?). As my late father did, I lament the death of the adverb. It is a word form almost completely absent from the English language (a practice that=20 must end quick). Illiteracy, like so much other low-brow stuff, is now championed=20 with pride by our culture, and is officially sanctioned at the highest levels. Woe is me (woe are me? woe be me?). What-EVER!!! Let's go to the mall, and then watch "The Real World"...   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City http://www.glucknewyork.com/   ..   ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>         ht  
(back) Subject: Drawknobs From: <AEolianSkinner@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 21:16:32 EDT   Hey Guys, I am looking for some drawknobs. I don't really care how they look = or what they say. I am mainly looking for some reeds. But I will take = anything. If you are willing to give them to me, I will be willing to pay any shipping costs. If you have some for sale, I would like to know if I can = buy them cheap and I will pay all additional costs. Thank you so much.   Best Regards, Gregory Hinson    
(back) Subject: Re: Words From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 21:21:31 EDT   In a message dated 9/5/2004 7:22:23 PM Central Daylight Time, = kzrev@rr1.net writes:   xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo   Dennis Steckley Lover of Cats, Pipe Organs, 1940-65 Sewing Machines and Instructor-at-large in Grammar and Pet Peeves  
(back) Subject: Re: Pet Peeve; now totally OT From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 20:38:46 -0500   Well, somebody's gotta do it... <g>   [ Woman, without her man, is nothing. ]   No offense Glenda (or Merry, or anyone else here of the female gender, of course) -- you know I luv 'ya! :-) :-)   --Tim   (whose pet peeves, incidentally, include one-line replies to great long strings of un-edited previous postings, all sent back to the List over and =   over again... <HINT, HINT>)     At 06:18 PM 9/5/2004, you wrote: >Speaking of punctuation, how would you punctuate this: > >Woman without her man is nothing    
(back) Subject: Re: Words From: "John Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:02:46 -0700 (PDT)   At the church I attended today, the anthem was listed as "Fourth in thy = Name, O Lord, I go" by Sir William Harris. Fourth? John Speller   "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> wrote: Pedal, peddle, petal. "The console is equipped with 25 peddles." Arrgghhh!    
(back) Subject: umlautedness From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:23:24 -0400   Subject: umlautedness From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 10:30:04 -0700   I stand corrected (chuckle).   With Bud's education, he shoulda knowed better.   Keith    
(back) Subject: Umlautedness #2 From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:34:05 -0400   Cole's mention of the "=DF" letter reminded me of a very common expression that took on a slightly deeper meaning after it was explained by my German teacher in college. The expression "you are what you eat" has a very understandable and valid meaning when considered at face value by English speaking people.   In the German rendition: "Man ist was er i=DFt" (man is what he eats) is actually a play on words. In common German speech, "ist" (3rd person singular of "to be") is pronounced the same as "i=DFt" (3rd person = singular of "to eat").   Nothing to do with organs, sorry.   Keith          
(back) Subject: Re: Pet Peeve From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 21:33:55 -0500   I love this! Woe is I. Is is a linking verb requiring one to use the nominative case ( subjective). I is the subject. Is the verb and woe is = a predicate adjective modifying I. Ain't we havin' some fun now!? lol Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> To: <RMB10@aol.com>; <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 10:16 AM Subject: Re: Pet Peeve     > Dear Monty: > The same lack of care and attention is what makes people constantly talk > about a "Skinner" in a church -- especially when the fane in question never > even HAD a Skinner Organ Company organ, Ernest M. Skinner & Son, or otherwise. > They do not distinguish between Skinner (in its various forms), and > AEolian-Skinner. I was particularly stunned by a recent incorrect post from somebody who > claims to be an expert devot=E9 of both Skinner and AEolian-Skinner. > We all make errors in spelling, grammar, and word order, especially when > hammering out responses on chat lists, but in the past few years, this nation > has descended into a quagmire of people who cannot distinguish between > "you're" and "your," even cowering behind the offensive newspeak of "ur" (is that Ur > of the Chaldees, birthplace of the prophet Abraham?). > As my late father did, I lament the death of the adverb. It is a = word > form almost completely absent from the English language (a practice that must end > quick). Illiteracy, like so much other low-brow stuff, is now championed with > pride by our culture, and is officially sanctioned at the highest = levels. > Woe is me (woe are me? woe be me?). > What-EVER!!! > Let's go to the mall, and then watch "The Real World"... > > Sebastian M. Gluck > New York City > http://www.glucknewyork.com/ > > . > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >    
(back) Subject: Fwd: Re: Pet Peeve From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 21:36:13 -0500         >At 10:16 AM 9/5/04, you wrote: > >>Dear Monty: >> The same lack of care and attention is what makes people constantly = talk >>about a "Skinner" in a church -- especially when the fane in question = never >>even HAD a Skinner Organ Company organ > >In the theatre organ world we have the same problem. A former colleague, >TV Director, returned from a vacation on Catalina Island raving about the =   >wonder Wurlitzer in the Casino on Catalina. I'm glad he liked the organ >because it is a wonderful Page installation. >Like most non-organ folks, if it has a horseshoe console it must be a >WurliTzer. > >Jon          
(back) Subject: Re: the death of grammar From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:38:14 -0400   I knew it was hopeless when my 4 year old son came home from preschool = with a little note from his teacher that read, "Bryce drawed on his desk = today."   Is that only in the South?   Keith      
(back) Subject: Re: Bossi From: "Domitila Ballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 00:34:22 -0300   Thank you to all that answered about Bossi. I have a Kalmus edition, (which don't contain the Legende), and there isn't nothing about registration in Bossi. Thank you again. Domitila   Glenda wrote:   >Domitilia, I have the Peters Volume 2, and there is no forward or >performance notes regarding the music therein. I have been unable to >find and order any other Bossi works or volumes, trying with several >music dealers across the country and on-line. > >Glenda Sutton >gksjd85@direcway.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of >Domitila Ballesteros >Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 5:59 PM >To: pipeChat >Subject: Bossi > >Hello, list. > >Has somebody the volume II of Bossi Orgelwerke, of Peters publisher? >If, 'yes', please, I need to know if this book contain a forward about >the pieces, especially about 'Legende' op. 132 no. 1.Any information >about on the matter will be appreciated (especially about registration >in Bossi). > > > > >****************************************************************** >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > > >        
(back) Subject: Re: the death of grammar From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 20:54:16 -0700   The Deep South is tricky ... in some parts of the Deep South, both the grammar and the vocabulary hark back to Elizabethan England. My grandparents weren't "mountain people," but the occasional word like "besome" (broom) and "ye" for "you" was still in their vocabularies in the late 1940s / early 1950s.   To keep it on the topic of music, at least, if not organs, the style of singing one still hears at Sacred Harp "All-Day Singings With Dinner On The Grounds" is probably very close to 16th century performance practice .... no vibrato, and VERY nasal (grin). Some of those back-country altos, in particular, could etch glass at fifty paces (chuckle).   Cheers,   Bud   Keith Zimmerman wrote:   > I knew it was hopeless when my 4 year old son came home from preschool = with > a little note from his teacher that read, "Bryce drawed on his desk = today." > > Is that only in the South? > > Keith > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: Re: the death of grammar From: "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 08:03:27 +0100   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 4:54 AM Subject: Re: the death of grammar     > The Deep South is tricky ... in some parts of the Deep South, both the > grammar and the vocabulary hark back to Elizabethan England. My > grandparents weren't "mountain people," but the occasional word like > "besome" (broom) and "ye" for "you" was still in their vocabularies in > the late 1940s / early 1950s.   And it still is a broom, here in Worcestershire, today: (albeit a leaf-sweeping broom made from a pole with twigs wrapped round the end .... the 'typical' Witches Broom).   'Oldies' also use 'Ee' (that is He) and 'Im (Him) - with the frequent spattering of 'Thee'.   Others still use the plural verb ending of 'en' instead of 's' or 'es' - = viz housen instead of houses - possibly going back to the Danish invasions introducing Germanic verb endings. We have several local place names recalling the passing of the Danes (Vikings) ie, Danebank, Daneford, and possibly Wadhammet.   Now, ........... how to get this 'on-theme' ? ................. Maybe I'll go into the choir library and make a clean-sweep of all the old = photocopies I've inherited (but NOT USED, of course).   Harry Grove [a.k.a. a tidy musicman]      
(back) Subject: RE: Ebay Item From: "John Jarvis" <jljarvis@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 00:35:55 -0700   I have many fond memories of my Emenee Organ from the 1960's. I had one of the Chord Organ models that my grandmother purchased at Woolworth's Department store when I was about 8 years old. This little organ was used for several years by all of us kids when we "played church" in our garage. As I could play fairly well by ear and my cousin was full of "hot air", I was the organist and he was the preacher. Some things never change. JJ