PipeChat Digest #4741 - Monday, September 6, 2004
 
Re: the death of grammar -OT
  by "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net>
RE: Electronic Voicing   ...... Other Adjustments
  by "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com>
Phonics
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Electronic Voicing   ...... Other Adjustments
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: the death of grammar
  by "Mickey Sadler" <mickeysadler@wowway.com>
Re: Pet Peeve
  by "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com>
Re: Phonics
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Phonics
  by "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com>
Thanks for organ pricing information; storm
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Pet Peeve; now totally OT
  by "Merry Foxworth" <m.foxworth@verizon.net>
Re: Phonics
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Words
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Phonics
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Re: the death of grammar
  by "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk>
Ride of the Valkyries transcription
  by "Joel Armengaud" <joeout@apsydev.com>
Hurricane recipe (was Re: Thanks for organ pricing information; storm)
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: Hurricane recipe (was Re: Thanks for organ pricing	information; storm
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Rhymes for any occasion
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Electronic Voicing ...... Other Adjustments
  by "James Edward Mackay" <ymcmlx@gmail.com>
Re: Hurricane recipe (was Re: Thanks for organ pricing information; storm
  by "James Edward Mackay" <ymcmlx@gmail.com>
Re: Hurricane recipe (was Re: Thanks for organ pricinginformation; storm)
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: the death of grammar -OT From: "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 06:40:20 -0400   No, in Cincinnati I used to teach middle school keyboard class in a borrowed room used the rest of the day by a reading teacher. One day I went in the room and the teacher had written on the board these instructions for a post-reading activity:   1. Drawl a map of the town, the field, and the woods   2. Drawl a line showing the path Casey took when looking for Judy.   3. Tell how he found her and how the story ended.   So, it's clear that drawls are NOT only in the South.   Chuck Peery St. Louis (now)     On Sep 5, 2004, at 10:38 PM, Keith Zimmerman wrote:   > I knew it was hopeless when my 4 year old son came home from preschool > with > a little note from his teacher that read, "Bryce drawed on his desk > today." > > Is that only in the South? > > Keith > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >    
(back) Subject: RE: Electronic Voicing ...... Other Adjustments From: "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 05:30:42 -0700 (PDT)   Other adjustments include the ability to detune individual "ranks" always = to other ranks and in some cases within the same "rank". Wind Sag is also very adjustable. Tremulant speeds and depth (often by "rank") is adjustable. Most E-orgs also allow the voicer to determine which channel / channels = each "rank" goes to .... very important to spread the sound around. For the acoustic (reverb) feature ..... there are often extensive controls = along with various programs of different reverb types. For at least the last 10 years, the only reason for "awful" sounding = E-orgs is poor voicing and installation. A "cottage industry" has sprung up for voicing instruments of the larger = builders, where you hire an expert voicer .... often a stellar performer. = This is especially true for the Theatre Organ models. Matt John Jarvis <jljarvis@comcast.net> wrote:   st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Here is my rather simplistic, non-technical answer to a recently posted = question about Voicing digital organs.   I have a fairly new Rodgers Trillium 787 with external speakers installed = in my home which was =93voiced=94 recently. Additionally, a church that I = substitute at has a Phoenix that is about two years old that was voiced = while I was present. In both cases, a laptop computer was used with a = special program from the manufacture that allowed for =93tweaking=94 the = balance of a range from high to mid to low frequencies for each stop and = if you wanted for each note within a stop. This was quite a lengthy = process in each case as once a particular stop sounded decent within the = room, it might need further adjustment when added to the full chorus of = the organ. I wasn=92t really convinced that I needed to have this done to = my Rodgers until I played the same model as mine that was installed in a = similar environment (16 foot hard surface ceilings with a fair amount of = carpet) and somewhat larger volume of space. The other Rodgers sounded SO = much better than mine that I went for it! Whilst, I would love to have the room and money for a pipe organ at home, I am very happy with = the =93bang for the buck=94 that I now have with my Rodgers =96 especially = since I love to play around with MIDI software and instruments.   JJ     --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.
(back) Subject: Phonics From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 07:45:59 -0500   I keep seeing in print, "Walla!" when people clearly mean, "Voila!" At least they got it right, phonetically, but the certainly haven't studied French, eh Randy?   Dennis Steckley Lover of Cats, Pipe Organs & 1940-65 Sewing Machines    
(back) Subject: Re: Electronic Voicing ...... Other Adjustments From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 07:53:47 -0500   Reading Matt's list below and recalling some features of the digital = organ at Trinity, Wall St., I hope that these digitizers will build in = out-of-tuneness for divisions whose swell pedals are left in the closed = position when the organist turns off the instrument and leaves.   Are ciphers also available? Can one pop a pallet? Can one change the = action not only to tracker but also to suspended action? Can one = designate cheap plastic trackers and various wooden ones to appreciate = these subtle differences?   I offer this mist for the grill on the last American summer holiday, = Labor Day, Bob Lind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mattcinnj=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 7:30 AM Subject: RE: Electronic Voicing ...... Other Adjustments     Other adjustments include the ability to detune individual "ranks" = always to other ranks and in some cases within the same "rank".=20   Wind Sag is also very adjustable.   Tremulant speeds and depth (often by "rank") is adjustable.   Most E-orgs also allow the voicer to determine which channel / = channels each "rank" goes to .... very important to spread the sound = around.   For the acoustic (reverb) feature ..... there are often extensive = controls along with various programs of different reverb types.   For at least the last 10 years, the only reason for "awful" sounding = E-orgs is poor voicing and installation.  
(back) Subject: Re: the death of grammar From: "Mickey Sadler" <mickeysadler@wowway.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 09:02:37 -0700   The one that bothers me the most is "alot" and sometimes "allot" for "a lot". It's seen in a lot (allot, alot) of e-mail messages.   "I go to pipe organ concerts alot."????? "I go to pipe organ concerts a lot."   Mickey ---- Mickey E. Sadler Dublin, Ohio    
(back) Subject: Re: Pet Peeve From: "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 09:25:28 -0400   Then, should it not be as follows: Woe am I; there's another reed out of tune.?!   Gary wrote: >I love this! Woe is I. Is is a linking verb requiring one to use the >nominative case ( subjective). I is the subject. Is the verb and woe is = a >predicate adjective modifying I. Ain't we havin' some fun now!? lol >Gary    
(back) Subject: Re: Phonics From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 09:38:18 -0400   on 9/6/04 8:45 AM, First Christian Church of Casey, IL at kzrev@rr1.net wrote:   > I keep seeing in print, "Walla!" when people clearly mean, "Voila!" At > least they got it right, phonetically, but the certainly haven't studied > French, eh Randy? > > Dennis Steckley > Lover of Cats, Pipe Organs & 1940-65 Sewing Machines >   But that's not right, phonetically, either. The "v" is pronounced as a = "v" in French just as in English. Are you sure they weren't referring to = Walla Walla, Washington, where Whitman College is located? Actually this brings to mind my college roommate in 1965, who would say "Walla," with the = accent on the second syllable. But he meant it as a joke.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: Phonics From: "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 09:40:16 -0400   I would say it as "Vwa-LA!" The sound of "V" is still there; the "wa" part =   comes from the "oi" diphthong.   Ross Coulson "Cole" Votaw -- Springfield, Ohio, USA   Dennis wrote: >I keep seeing in print, "Walla!" when people clearly mean, "Voila!" At >least they got it right, phonetically,...?    
(back) Subject: Thanks for organ pricing information; storm From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 08:44:38 -0500   I have copied and sent the information you all sent me to the committee. I will probably not have time to acknowledge you individually - I woke up to high winds and overcast skies. And they are not at the point to be contacted personally yet, and would probably even resent it - they're preparing for their first meeting, which will entail coming up with a plan for exploring the alternatives, and perhaps an incipient electronic-pipe debate. If you submitted your contact info to me, I gave it to them. If or when I hear any news, I will be happy to share it.   Did an organ gig yesterday, medicine-less and aching, for the Crestview Methodists.   Does anyone have a good recipe for hurricanes? I want to make sure I have all the ingredients available, just in case. Not the frozen ones, please - the first thing to go is the electricity.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Re: Pet Peeve; now totally OT From: "Merry Foxworth" <m.foxworth@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 09:47:04 -0400   Tim, no offense to you of the male gender either, but here's my take: Woman!!! Without her, man is nothing!!     =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:-   An excerpt from Robert Giddings "Musical Quotes and Anecdotes", published in Longman Pocket Companions: "There let the pealing organ blow, To the full-voiced choir below, In service high, and anthems clear, As may with sweetness, through mine ear, Dissolve me into ecstasies, And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes". John Milton - Il Penseroso (1632).   Merry Foxworth Open Door Realty Boston, MA 02131 617 469-4888 x207 877 865-1703 toll free http://www.opendoorrlty.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 9:38 PM Subject: Re: Pet Peeve; now totally OT     > Well, somebody's gotta do it... <g> > > [ Woman, without her man, is nothing. ] > > No offense Glenda (or Merry, or anyone else here of the female gender, = of > course) -- you know I luv 'ya! :-) :-) > > --Tim > > (whose pet peeves, incidentally, include one-line replies to great long > strings of un-edited previous postings, all sent back to the List over = and > over again... <HINT, HINT>) > > > At 06:18 PM 9/5/2004, you wrote: > >Speaking of punctuation, how would you punctuate this: > > > >Woman without her man is nothing > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Phonics From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 09:49:11 -0400   Quite right. I suppose somewhere, someplace, non-French speakers have = heard the "wa" but didn't hear the "v."     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu         on 9/6/04 9:40 AM, Cole at rcolev@woh.rr.com wrote:   > I would say it as "Vwa-LA!" The sound of "V" is still there; the "wa" = part > comes from the "oi" diphthong. > > Ross Coulson "Cole" Votaw -- Springfield, Ohio, USA > > Dennis wrote: >> I keep seeing in print, "Walla!" when people clearly mean, "Voila!" At >> least they got it right, phonetically,...? > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >    
(back) Subject: Re: Words From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 08:05:00 -0600   Good Morning, Dennis, et al:   > What about "like" and "kinda"? "It was, like, really hot." > Was it hot or not? Did it just feel hot?   This was my English professor's favorite gripe. The abuse of "like" had not yet reached its climax in the form you illustrated, but she would quote the cigarette slogan, "Winstons taste good, like a cigarette should," and then she would utter, "the proper choice is "AS, not like."   My daughter grew in the "like" generation, and decided to take a course in technical writing in school. There, she discovered that the "higher authority" of school teachers were concerned about misuse of words in writing and speaking. WOW! Imagine that! To my daughter's advantage, she adopted many of the better choices of words.   Take heart. For those who learn the difference of how we are received by those who hear/read what we have to say, it makes a difference.   Some day, maybe in our lifetime, we may see another swing of emphasis on plain English and proper use.   Let's keep showing them how it should be done by what we write, even here on PipeChat. <smiles>   F. Richard Burt Dorian Organs     ..      
(back) Subject: Re: Phonics From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:08:06 EDT   In a message dated 9/6/04 8:49:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kzrev@rr1.net writes:   << I keep seeing in print, "Walla!" >>   Maybe they meant it as in the lyrics"   "Ooh, eee, ooh ah ah, ting tang, walla walla bing bang"   (Sorry couldn't help it. At my day job the other day, I had to try to = find the sender of a check, and the only thing printed on the check was the = name "Bing Wang". That song's been running through my mind ever since).   Richard  
(back) Subject: Re: the death of grammar From: "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:10:26 +0200 (CEST)   --- Mickey Sadler <mickeysadler@wowway.com> skrev: > The one that bothers me the most is "alot" and > sometimes "allot" for > "a lot". It's seen in a lot (allot, alot) of e-mail > messages.   The Norwegian language seems to be developing in exactly the opposite direction. All the time people forget how to make compound nouns -- "r=F8ykfritt" (free of smoke, implying "smoking prohibited") becomes "r=F8yk fritt" (please smoke freely), and "lammekotelettar" (lamb chops) becomes "lamme kotelettar" (lame chops). This is said to be caused by the influence the English language has had on Norwegian for the last 15 years.   - Jarle   ______________________________________________________ F=E5 den nye Yahoo! Messenger p=E5 http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt s=E5 = morsom  
(back) Subject: Ride of the Valkyries transcription From: "Joel Armengaud" <joeout@apsydev.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:10:34 +0200   Could someone comment on the difficulty of the Ride of the Valkyries, as = adapted for the organ by Lemare...?   Thanks   -Joel Armengaud
(back) Subject: Hurricane recipe (was Re: Thanks for organ pricing information; storm) From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 09:18:40 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenda <gksjd85@direcway.com> To: 'PipeChat' <pipechat@pipechat.org>   <much snippage>   Perhaps we could find a Spoonerizing gourmand who would be willing not = only to travel but also to risk life and limb to help you with the proper ingredients. In so doing, we would   Send a glutton To Glenda Sutton   I'll return to my room now. Bob Lind   > Does anyone have a good recipe for hurricanes? I want to make sure I > have all the ingredients available, just in case. Not the frozen ones, > please - the first thing to go is the electricity. > > Glenda Sutton    
(back) Subject: Re: Hurricane recipe (was Re: Thanks for organ pricing information; storm) From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 10:24:51 -0400     And tell him to bring a leg of mutton.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu         on 9/6/04 10:18 AM, Robert Lind at lindr@core.com wrote:   > > > Perhaps we could find a Spoonerizing gourmand who would be willing not = only > to travel but also to risk life and limb to help you with the proper > ingredients. In so doing, we would > > Send a glutton > To Glenda Sutton > > I'll return to my room now. > Bob Lind > >> Does anyone have a good recipe for hurricanes? I want to make sure I >> have all the ingredients available, just in case. Not the frozen ones, >> please - the first thing to go is the electricity. >> >> Glenda Sutton > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >    
(back) Subject: Rhymes for any occasion From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 10:53:59 -0400   on 9/6/04 10:18 AM, Robert Lind at lindr@core.com wrote:     > Send a glutton > To Glenda Sutton >=20 > I'll return to my room now. > Bob Lind   I cannot resist inserting here a translation I did this summer of a little poem by Jean de La Fontaine from 1665 about a glutton, itself a translation of an ancient Greek poem by Athaneaus. Now, if you'll bear with me, I'll come to a musical, though perhaps not organic, content to justify my post. I've also been writing hymns, anthems, and songs, and a little farther down you'll find the text to a song I wrote last week that one of my sopranos will debut a week from next Sunday. I based it on Isaiah 55 and the passag= e in the Gospels where Jesus meets the woman at the well. It's fun to switch from rendering La Fontaine's French verse into English verse--especially since nearly all of his poems I am translating (from the _Contes et nouvelles en vers_), though not this particular example, are so racy as to be almost obscene--to writing sacred verse, but I'm sincere enough in the latter to say that I am not thinking in a blasphemous way. Just open-minded. Anyway, I am looking for fresh ideas, so if anyone has a Biblical or liturgical subject that they think would make for a good anthem= , hymn, or song text that has not yet been done to death already, I'd appreciate hearing from them.     1. 7 =B3The Glutton=B2=20   At dinner a gourmand Quite famished, did command That his servants prepare For that night=B9s bill of fare A humongous dish: An entire large fish. It was, I am told, a sturgeon. No doubt his stomach would burgeon. Indeed, he ate all but the head. Then fell ill. His servants sped To fetch the closest surgeon To counteract this sturgeon. The only remedy available For this disaster at table Was a high colonic. =B3This is worse than chronic; It=B9s terminal: you=B9re buying the farm,=B2 A friend remarked, with wide-eyed alarm. =B3Have you made out a will?=B2 =B3But I=B9ve not,=B2 he replied, =B3et my fill. And since in any case I=B9ll be dead You might as well bring me the head.=B2     "Come to the Fountain"   Come to the fountain of love and light; Come to the waters free. The Lord has established our delight, Flowing abundantly.   Refrain: Never be thirsty again. Welcome as gentle rain: Come to the fountain of love=B9s delight.     All those who thirst shall be satisfied; All who seek life shall live. For God our salvation shall provide, Eternal life shall give.   (Refrain)   Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, Call on him when he=B9s near His mercies and goodness shall abound Ever from year to year.   (Refrain)   (in the last line of the last verse, the music changes a bit to sound more like an ending, hence the rhythm and rhyme scheme is altered as well):   Come to the fountain of love and light; Come to the waters free. The Lord has established our delight, Come to the fount of love and light.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu          
(back) Subject: Re: Electronic Voicing ...... Other Adjustments From: "James Edward Mackay" <ymcmlx@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:02:12 -0500   The tuning/de-tuning of the digitized samples is changed randomly (on most digital instruments) by the computer. I was complaining once when trying out a digital that the reeds sounded out-of-tune and wasn't that something that was supposed to be corrected. I was told that not _all_ the reed stops were wobbly and that the computer used a complex set of algorithms to make the pitch and sound variable throughout the time. There are options to turn this off and have straight, absolutely on pitch/in tune sound.   One of the biggest changes with digital instruments is not in the mechanics or components but in the way that the speakers work. The speaker system in most of the current digitals have their own computer or computer sub-system. Too, the speaker design and speaker cabinet design actually moves some air through the speaker port just like the fancier audio systems.   This is not to say by any means that their is actual wind action or blast of air or such. It's just that a contemporary digital instrument is not the appliance of 25+ years ago. Think of it this way, few of us would say, "Please hand me the remote I want to adjust the video appliance, and while you're up can you turn the CD appliance off."   Of course, if we could all have living, breathing pipe organs, I think we would. And, yes, if someone offered a four-manual gargantuan pipe organ ... and to build the place to put it ... be that house of worship or dining room ... we'd be foolish not to say 'yes'.   Oh, too, many of the present digital instruments have tilting tablets and draw knobs and such that light up. That bugs me. But ... for a little more they can install a good old-fashioned make-em-move-for-me-please action, with or without lights, or the option to have the lights on/off.   One thing that I've found is that dropping a hymnal on the pedalboard of a pipe organ or a digital instrument with the 16' pedal reed drawn creates the same stunned silence from the preacher and the congregation. (Not that I'll admit to ever having done that myself. No, not me. [Yeah, right.])   James  
(back) Subject: Re: Hurricane recipe (was Re: Thanks for organ pricing information; storm) From: "James Edward Mackay" <ymcmlx@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:07:51 -0500   Is it true that hurricanes remove the calories from cheesecake? -- JAMES EDWARD MACKAY Fargo, North Dakota USA ymcmlx@gmail.com evensong@att.net  
(back) Subject: Re: Hurricane recipe (was Re: Thanks for organ pricinginformation; storm) From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:28:57 -0500   Regrettably, only the hurricanes from the Atlantic that reach Fargo are equipped to do this. Seems unfair to me. RJL   ----- Original Message ----- From: James Edward Mackay <ymcmlx@gmail.com>     > Is it true that hurricanes remove the calories from cheesecake? > -- > JAMES EDWARD MACKAY > Fargo, North Dakota USA