PipeChat Digest #4747 - Wednesday, September 8, 2004
What is happening to today's church
  by <Joshwwhite@aol.com>
What is happening to today's church (part II)
  by <Joshwwhite@aol.com>
RE: Pet Peaves O'mine, pronunciations etc
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>

(back) Subject: What is happening to today's church From: <Joshwwhite@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 02:46:44 EDT   Andy makes an interesting point here, and a possibility of a new topic. It seems that today's society is based on getting everything as fast = as possible. Say a young church thinks they need a new sanctuary. They have learned there is nothing better than fast and inexpensive, so they buy a cheap = box of a building-void of anything beautiful or traditional. It is fast, and affordable. Immediate gratification. God forbid they spend any money on = stained glass windows, they might have to wait for them to be made-and besides = having no windows at all is cheaper. Fast, and cheap. The same church needs a new =   organ, so they go with the same. Fast, and affordable. Or better yet, = buy a couple of guitars to go with their $20,000 sound system (people ARE = willing to spend money on that)! That way, there doesn't have to be any money spent = on professional musicians, AND no one has to spend any time learning any = music as chord charts are the way to go. Again, fast and affordable. I know this seems rather far fetched, and one sided, but this does = seem to be the newest trend. And I am afraid for the future of our churches, particularly the music programs. Through television, or music, or advertising-somehow we have it in our heads that immediate, as well as = inexpensive is the only way to go. Along with that, is the fact that today's generation, particularly the one's who inherit large amounts of money from their = families, are not giving money, nor are they tithing what their parents gave. This contributes to the churches need for fast and affordable. Our beautiful church was proudly built and paid for by our gracious parents and grandparents. They didn't spare any expense when they built = our new church in the 1960s, nor did their parents spare any expense when they = built the impressive old church in 1920. However, the money, like in many = other churches, may not be so prevalent in the next 30 years. Much of it is = moving out, or being spent by today's generation. It seems like people my age = (Gen. X), and younger are losing their sense of pride, and stewardship in their =   churches. I fear the worst for the future of my church, and churches all = over the country. I am glad that we are preparing for the future by starting = a new organ project now, and aggressively pursuing new donations for our foundation program. Getting to the point, the church from the first paragraph is not = really saving any money. In 15-20 years, their cheap, fast building will need replacing, and so will the organ. When, if they had followed in the = footsteps of a past generation, could have saved money if they had put time and care = into creating a graceful worship center that would have lasted for = generations. The same goes for the organ. It is a shame, but I see it all around me. = My High School had many, many portable buildings. Cheap, fast replacements = of what could have been a nice addition to the main building. The same = school has been forced to sell all of their acoustic pianos due to "storage" = problems. The large 1969 Baldwin stage grand that I grew up playing (which was = given to the school new in 1969, by a wonderful old lady who coincidentally = died not too long ago) sold last month for $900 at an auction. But they are satisfied with their cheap, fast replacement keyboards. The same thing = seems to have caught on with new housing. A lot of new houses have gotten so = cheap, and so fast that they lack any sort of character or detail. I hope this is not a continuing trend, and things will change. And = I also know that this is not true in all churches, or all areas of the = country. But this seems to be the same reason churches do not purchase pipe = organs. Will there come a time when concert pianists are willing to play concerts = on a Yamaha Clavinova? Just my thoughts, Josh White a message dated 9/7/2004 10:30:52 PM Central Standard Time, andy@ablorgans.com writes:   Admittedly, the electronic has the advantage of taking up less space, of costing less initially, probably taking less time for delivery (by the = way I think this is another major reason people go with electronics), and the = fact that its hard to predict if you'll even be in the same sanctuary in 20 Years. So its certainly not cut and dry. I'm just not sure the price advantage of electronics is quite as huge as some think, in the long run.   Andy          
(back) Subject: What is happening to today's church (part II) From: <Joshwwhite@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 04:59:13 EDT   Hi all: I feel as if I must ad a couple of second thoughts, as to not offend = anyone on this list, and clear up any misconceptions someone might have about my =   first posting. I want to make it clear that I do not believe that churches sporadically = go out and buy a Digital organ on a whim (althought it does happen), as there = are many cases when a lot of time and thought goes into the purchase. Many times by the organ committee, or the organist, or even the consultant. = Also I am sure that many a Digital organ has been the largest purchase some = churches have ever made. The intent of my previous posting was simply to point out that, given a little time and thought, a pipe organ might turn out to be the better = "deal" in the end. Our 84 year old pipe organ is a testimony to that. Somewhere I = read in the archives that it would bought in 1921 for around $5,000. Think of =   all the electronic organs our church would have needed to buy to have = organ music for 84 years! Instead of cutting corners and taking out the = details, people should really think about the best use of the churches money for = years to come. There are cases I'm sure where a small pipe organ would not = fulfill the needs of a large music program, however pipe organs could always be = built for preparation. It is still unclear to my why large churches with more than enough = resources continually buy electronic organs. With this said, it is still easy to believe that time and money are both contributing factors to the purchase of a digital organ. Thanks, Josh White  
(back) Subject: RE: Pet Peaves O'mine, pronunciations etc From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:00:15 +0100   Yes- ditto! A tracker is just a long thin bit of wood which pulls = something at its other end. A similar bit of wood that pushes something is called = a "sticker", but nobody ever calls an organ a "sticker action". Maybe = because it might suggest that something "sticks"   Will Light Coventry UK     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of = Andy Lawrence Sent: 08 September 2004 04:11 To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Pet Peaves O'mine, pronunciations etc   Yeah, those terms are generally used interchangealby. Technically, a=20 tracker is just a piece of the mechanism that is usually employed in a=20 mechanical action organ. So to be really proper, one would say = "mechanical=20 action organ", or almost as proper, a "tracker action organ" (but why = don't=20 we say a "square action organ" or a "rollerboard action organ" or=20 a "backfall action organ"?. I suppose its true that some mechanical = action=20 organs do not have these parts, but then there do exist organs with=20 mechanical action that do not have trackers, either). =20   Calling a mechanical-action organ a "tracker" is analogous to calling an =   automobile with a manually-shifted transmission a "stick". Perfectly=20 acceptable; it has become the industry-accepted slang, essentially, and=20 takes a heck of a lot less effort to say. =20   Has someone been badgering you about calling an organ a tracker? Show = them=20 this email. You are correct in using the term. I've heard the = snootiest=20 organ snobs use the term this way. You wouldn't use the term in a = technical   report, though, and probably not in a recital program.   Andy     > =20 > Trackers are mechanical action and mechanical actions are trackers, > right? So one or the other would do, right? If im wrong, tell me.=20 > And trackers have keydesks...unless there is a remote playing device, > as in Disney Hall, which would be a console.=20 > =20 > =20     A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com   ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>