PipeChat Digest #4777 - Sunday, September 19, 2004
 
Re: Unusual Complaint vs. Unusually Compliant
  by "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net>
Re: Organ Study
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
EMCATOS - Pipe Organ Pops / Silents in the House Announcement
  by "Len Beyersdorfer, MARATHON Digital Publishing" <LenB@MDigital
Quire Re: Unusual Complaint!!
  by "James Edward Mackay" <ymcmlx@gmail.com>
Sad News (X-Posted)
  by <Devon3000@aol.com>
"Rector's Pleasure"
  by "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net>
Re: Unusual Complaint vs. Unusually Compliant
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Re: Unusual Complaint vs. Unusually Compliant
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Unusual Complaint vs. Unusually Compliant
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Unusual Complaint and a Comment
  by "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com>
Re: Unusual Complaint vs. Unusually Compliant
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Unusual Complaint vs. Unusually Compliant
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Re: "Rector's Pleasure"
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
our colleagues in the UK
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Unusual Complaint vs. Unusually Compliant From: "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 19:29:46 -0400   Dear Seb,   I actually think it's true that discernment is dead in America. By that I mean the ability to actually determine what IS good music is largely absent. A sincere but awful volunteer is "So moving, filled with the Spirit..." whereas the exquisite but paid soprano soloist is "Mercenary". Praise Bands are shot through with people who proudly claim "I was never good enough to get the lead in my high school musical." Here they are with their mics held inches from that voice with their hair and makeup and outfits to prove us all stupid. So, obviously, there are motives besides Praise, so we could call it a Vindication Band or a See-I-Told-You-I-Was-Good-Band. We were once told at a board meeting, "We don't think an audition is all that important in choosing these music staff people, what we want to know is: is Jesus Christ is their personal Savior?"   Congregations absolutely will let a fine music tradition die without a fight. Perhaps they will wring their hands and whine to the musician, "Can't you just try to get along with him?" (meaning the new senior pastor whose mantra is "Less than 1 percent of the American public goes to symphony concerts.") Perhaps they won't even notice that the SATB choir of ninety has dwindled to 15 after the Pastor's Visionary Plan is instituted and that the church can't pay its district apportionments because attendance and giving is so decimated ("Yeah, what' happened to that choir?"). Perhaps they have families and jobs where they must focus their battle energy, leaving the church music program to twist in the wind until it's way too late to save it.   Couple that with the fundamentalist mindset (and I don't mean that it exists just in fundamentalist churches) that clergy, being ordained, are absolutely not to be questioned in their motives, their truthfulness, or their vision for the church. To do so is absolute heresy, and certainly mutiny if you're on the church staff. In my experience, the corporate big-wigs who serve on the church Trustees (or Administrative Board or Vestry or whatever you have) are the worst. And not because they believe the clergy is spiritually led. Their reaction is usually a patronizing "Now, we realize that as a musician, you're not used to having a BOSS at all, much less a boss that asks you to do something you don't feel like doing. But in the REAL world, this happens all the time. Get with it and start doing what he tells you to do like a normal employee."   Is there any sign of a turn-around? Hope so, for now, I'm lucky to be in a place that did NOT spawn the above examples.   Chuck Peery St. Louis (formerly Cincinnati)            
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Study From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 20:33:45 EDT   Having been a church organist for over 50 years, I am still learning. As most of you know, I married an organist last year and he gives me = suggestions and coaches me in new material he already knows. We are even working on some 1organ 2 people duets. Lee  
(back) Subject: EMCATOS - Pipe Organ Pops / Silents in the House Announcement From: "Len Beyersdorfer, MARATHON Digital Publishing" <LenB@MDigital.com> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:21:57 -0400     This is an EMCATOS - Pipe Organ Pops / Silents in the House announcement.   Here we are again - a little late, but just in time to tell you about some =   theatre organ related goings-on this fall.   We would also like to direct you to our Web site at = http://www.EMCATOS.com, especially the Events tab, where you will find details not only about our events, but pointers to listings of events sponsored by our friends in the =   American Guild of Organists (AGO), the Methuen Memorial Music Hall Recital =   Series and the Portland Maine Kotzschmar Memorial Organ Series, and = others.   We trust you had a wonderful summer and hope you can join us at one or = more of our spectacular events.   In summary (details are below):   1. Silent Film Charmer with Wurlitzer: "The Kid" + selected = shorts - 10/16/04   2. Female Barbershop with Wurlitzer: Women of Note + Dave Wickerham =3D MAGIC - 11/20 & 11/21/04   3. Advance Sale Ticket Ordering for the above events   4. PPAC - Fall Wonders of the Wurlitzer Series - Free - All Welcome - 9, 10 & 11/04   5. EMCATOS Member Events (All welcome)   ***************************************************************************= ************************   1. "THE KID"   EMCATOS / Silents in the House is proud to present the silent film charmer, "The Kid", with Wurlitzer accompaniment. Saturday, October 16, 2004, 7:30 PM Knight Auditorium, Babson College, Wellesley, MA Tickets: Advance sale: $8.00 (Please see below for ordering information.) At the door: General Admission: $12.00 Seniors & Students: $10.00 Children 16 and under: Free with adult   Bring the family and enjoy a night at the movies with a 1921 silent accompanied by Juan Cardona, Jr. at the restored 1927 Mighty EMCATOS Wurlitzer theatre pipe organ. "The Kid" was Charlie Chaplin's first feature-length film. He wrote the screenplay, starred, and was producer = and director as well. When the Tramp finds a baby, the stage is set for sentiment and comedy. Child actor Jackie Coogan is captivating as the Kid, =   age five.   Rounding out the evening are short films: "North of 50 50" (Dippy Doo Dads) "In My Merry Oldsmobile" (bouncing ball sing-along cartoon) "Hello Baby!" (Charley Chase)   ***************************************************************************= ************************   2. WOMEN OF NOTE + DAVE WICKERHAM (WON/DW)   EMCATOS / Pipe Organ Pops is proud to present the magical combination of = the entertaining Women of Note and the spectacular Dave Wickerham at the = Mighty Wurlitzer Theatre Pipe Organ at two November events.   > WON/DW Saturday, November 20, 2004, 7:30 PM Knight Auditorium, Babson College, Wellesley, MA Tickets: Advance sale: $10.00 (Please see below for ordering information.) At the door: General Admission: $14.00 Seniors & Students: $12.00 Children 16 and under: Free with adult   > WON/DW Sunday, November 21, 2004, 2:30 PM Shanklin Music Hall, Groton, MA Tickets are available by Advance Sale Only @ $20.00. (Please see below for ordering information.)   ***************************************************************************= ************************   3. ADVANCE SALE TICKET ORDERING   Tickets for the above events are now available and may be ordered by sending a self-addressed stamped envelope, your name, address and phone number, a list of the tickets you wish to order *, and your check made = payable to "Pipe Organ Pops" to:   Pipe Organ Pops 8 Skyline Drive Billerica, MA 01821-1117   * "The Kid" at Babson College, 10/16/04 @ $8.00 * WON/DW at Babson College, 11/20/04 @ $10.00 * WON/DW at the Shanklin Music Hall, 11/21/04 @ $20.00   If you have any questions, please email Tickets@EMCATOS.com or call 978-670-1269. Ticket orders that arrive late or do not include a self-addressed stamped envelope will be held at the door.   Note: If you suspect that a concert may be cancelled or rescheduled due to the weather, please call 781-272-5148 for information.   ***************************************************************************= ************************   4. PPAC - WONDERS OF THE WURLITZER   The 5/21 Wurlitzer at the Providence Performing Arts Center (PPAC) lives!   As part of PPAC's Community Outreach Initiative, PPAC presents a series of =   free organ concerts by local organists during the spring and fall of each year to spotlight the theatre's unique 1927 5/21 Wurlitzer Theatre Pipe Organ. All Wurlitzer concerts are from noon to 1pm and are FREE to the public. Brown Bag lunches are encouraged and beverages = are provided at no charge.   The Fall 2004 PPAC lineup is:   > Wednesday, September 15 - Patrick Aiken   > Wednesday, October 6 - Bob Legon (EMCATOS member)   > Wednesday, October 13 - Alden Mitchell   > Monday, October 25 - Len Beyersdorfer (EMCATOS member)   > Wednesday, November 10 - Bob Legon (EMCATOS member) with Silent Movie   For directions and other PPAC information refer to www.ppacri.org.   ***************************************************************************= ************************   5. EMCATOS MEMBER EVENTS   You are all cordially invited to attend the EMCATOS monthly "social" on Sunday, October 3 at 2:00 PM in Knight Auditorium, Babson College. Gary Phillips will be the =   guest artist. This is a free and informal event!   ***************************************************************************= ************************   Thank you.     -------------------------------------------------- Len Beyersdorfer LenB@MDigital.com MARATHON Digital Publishing Marlboro, Massachusetts 508-460-6172 --------------------------------------------------
(back) Subject: Quire Re: Unusual Complaint!! From: "James Edward Mackay" <ymcmlx@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 20:27:15 -0500   I'd just ask her if she means the choir or a quire of paper. If it's the paper just get a half ream and call it a day.   I was once choirmaster at a place that purchased bright orange-red C M Almy choir tunics in 100 percent polyester (to match the orange-red neon fish over which the sanctuary cross was imposed). Suddenly, several of the members decided that they would like to process down the center aisle to the communion rail (at the appointed time, of course) because they felt like they were 'sneaking up on God.' So picture a 250 pound linebacker of a fella in floor-length orange-red polyester and white leather cowboy boots with roses embroidered on the top of each foot. I suggested at a rehearsal that I didn't think it was possible to sneak up on God when one was fluorescing. The point was missed and they went down the aisle.   Sometimes the care and tending of a choirs is like herding cats.   J.     ----- Original Message ----- From: georgewbayley@aol.com <georgewbayley@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 15:33:22 EDT Subject: Unusual Complaint!! To: pipechat@pipechat.org     18 September 2004 Dear Listers. Here's a new one for you. No, the organ isn't too loud nor are the hymns too fast or too slow. The music complaint of the last several months is this. "THE CHOIR IS TOO BIG" You see, the choir area which seats 21, is too small for our choir which in four years has grown from 12 to 34. We have had the audacity to <snip>   -- JAMES EDWARD MACKAY Fargo, North Dakota USA ymcmlx@gmail.com evensong@att.net  
(back) Subject: Sad News (X-Posted) From: <Devon3000@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:42:57 EDT   Hi all,   I just heard from Kim Austin that her father, Don, has died. I hope there =   are some of you who can give us some personal insights into this great = man. I only knew him through Dr. William Harrison Barnes, and Kim Austin, who was = on the crew that installed the Antiphonal Organ at Christ Church of Oak = Brook, Illinois several years ago. Kim always spoke very highly of her parents, = and I'm sure we all will keep them in our prayers during this difficult time. = What memories, and surely an awesome life!   The other death may not be quite as prominent a person, but I think we = should pay tribute also to those who do the thankless job of holding keys for tuning. Jim Gruber's mother died last week, and I'll never forget the = countless hours she spent holding keys for the best tuner in Chicago area, maybe the =   country. She always had a smile, and was often reading a book while = holding the keys (I'll bet she read a lot of books!). We will miss her a lot, and I = hope you'll keep Jim and his family in your prayers. Jim, in case you don't = know it, runs an international organ supply company in Illinois. He imports Rieger-Kloss pipes, makes the best aluminum tuning slides in the industry, = and tunes a pipe organ the closest to perfection I've ever heard.   Devon Hollingsworth, In DeKalb, Illinois  
(back) Subject: "Rector's Pleasure" From: "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 19:34:45 -0700   Is there actually a written statement in the canon law of the Episcopal church that states the staff must submit resignations? I have never seen it in print, despite it being a "custom".   In my former Roman parish, one of the older staff people (an ex-nun) told me it was expected in the Roman church also, and I told her BULL! I knew there was no such written statement, and had worked in several Roman parishes. It's amazing how some of these atrocities are continued because of false information, and sheepish parishioners.    
(back) Subject: Re: Unusual Complaint vs. Unusually Compliant From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:17:12 +0800     Amen to that, brother!   I don't mind the "volunteers" or the 1st year students, but they had better= be dedicated to doing their very best for the church and for the Lord. I'm= blessed in that my pastor lets me select the music but reserves the option= to nix a piece because of doctrinal errors or general "fluffiness."=20   Right now I'm frustrated with my "praise band" because everyone's schedule= is tight and we can't seem to get singers to come out to rehearsal. Genera= lly I can count on perhaps one (yes, one) showing up at any given rehearsal= .. The plan was that we have seven or eight and rotate them so that no more= than four (SATB) are helping to LEAD worship (not be glory hounds). Fiftee= n minutes before worship services isn't the time to "throw something togeth= er."   Without regular attendance at the rehearsals, we cannot learn new songs. An= d if it doesn't turn 'round quickly the Praise music part may die out and w= e can resume with more hymns. (Yeah!!!) My best asset (and even better musi= cian) in rallying the troops is on haiatas for a while; his wife gave birth= to son number 6. (I'm pretty sure she's outnumbered now.)   California casual leaves us with the additional problem of some people in h= oley (not holy) jeans, and logo tee-shirts up on the stage along with those= in dress-khaki's, polo shirts, and suits-and-ties. O, that we could get so= me choir robes for that lot.   One challenge at a time....   ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Peery <cepeery@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 19:29:46 -0400 To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Re: Unusual Complaint vs. Unusually Compliant   > Dear Seb, >=20 > I actually think it's true that discernment is dead in America. =20 <big, huge snip.>   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm   Su  
(back) Subject: Re: Unusual Complaint vs. Unusually Compliant From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 23:34:33 EDT   i have it really easy... i avoid like the plague any churches that are = full of crap. and if i'm employed by a church & they pull crap like that, i = make it very plain how completely idiotic they are, and make it plain that that = is exactly the reason i'm leaving. then i leave.   for instance, at one church, ONE WEEK before easter, with only one choir rehearsal left, the pastor said he wanted the choir to sing the hallelujah = chorus, but not the whole thing -- "just start at the 'king of kings' part." only =   two in the 12-member choir could read music. he & i had had a few run-ins =   before, but nothing like this. i simply told him that i had no desire to = be in a situation where completely un-musical actions are dictated to me by = someone with no musical training, and gave my notice.   sure makes like a lot more enjoyable when there's no stress from the = morons out there.   scot  
(back) Subject: Re: Unusual Complaint vs. Unusually Compliant From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:49:06 -0600   Hello, Seb:   I like your spunk. However, the answers to your questions is much more complex than it appears on the surface.   There has been a real revolution among "pastors and priests" in many of the denominational churches. They come, take control, and (if some of the people object) lead away many of those who will follow blindly and establish new congregations. Those left behind have to start over, or in some situations, close down, for there is no longer an economic base for continuing.   The related complication is the nemesis of the Contemporary Christian Music revolution (real people really objecting to much of what we have continued to present as "music"). Been studying this revolution and its effects for about 30 years, and and can not see much that encourages us to press restoration of the past musical styles.   If I lived in New York and did not agree with what was happening in my synagogue, how far away do I need to travel to find another that might offer a different set of options?   In many towns and villages, alternative churches may not be much of an option if my family has lived in this town or village for several generations and we are otherwise comfortable with our lives here. It might be 25 or 30 miles to the nearest potentially alternative church.   F. Richard Burt     ..      
(back) Subject: Re: Unusual Complaint and a Comment From: "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 23:08:10 -0500   All of these stories are both sad and amusing, but there is no hard and = fast rule about dealing with this conundrum. If the minister in my church = wanted to make any major changes, he first has to meet with the Worship Committee and the Music Committee..... this church was founded by people who wanted good music and will not tolerate any "dumbing" down of worship. Still a "Pollyanna" and wish everyone could have a happy church situation.   Sand      
(back) Subject: Re: Unusual Complaint vs. Unusually Compliant From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 23:09:44 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 10:49 PM Subject: Re: Unusual Complaint vs. Unusually Compliant     > Hello, Seb: > > I like your spunk. However, the answers to your questions is much > more > complex than it appears on the surface.   Basic English 101:   ". . . the answers to your questions are much more complex than they appear on the surface.   Sorry. My mind runs ahead of my fingers too often.   F. Richard Burt     ..      
(back) Subject: Re: Unusual Complaint vs. Unusually Compliant From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:25:15 +0800   Growing up in New England (Massachusetts and New Hampshire) we were members= of churches that were several cities away. Only when weather conditions were an issue, might we attend a local church.   If doctrine and other standards are important, it is important to attend a= house of worship that supports those doctrines and standards.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>   > In many towns and villages, alternative churches may not be much > of an option if my family has lived in this town or village for > several > generations and we are otherwise comfortable with our lives here. > It might be 25 or 30 miles to the nearest potentially alternative > church. >=20 > F. Richard Burt   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm   >  
(back) Subject: Re: "Rector's Pleasure" From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:57:22 -0700   I have heard it called a "canon" all my life; I have never seen it in print; it doesn't really matter; it's DONE.   Cheers,   Bud   terry hicks wrote:   > Is there actually a written statement in the canon law of the Episcopal > church that states the staff must submit resignations? > I have never seen it in print, despite it being a "custom". > > In my former Roman parish, one of the older staff people (an ex-nun) > told me it was expected in the Roman church also, and I told her BULL! > I knew there was no such written statement, and had worked in several > Roman parishes. It's amazing how some of these atrocities are continued > because of false information, and sheepish parishioners. > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: our colleagues in the UK From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 23:05:25 -0700   I SWORE that I'd NEVER again depend on music for my living; unfortunately circumstances dictated otherwise, and I paid the price ... physically, emotionally, spiritually, and financially.   A friend of mine in the UK points out that in some ways parish organists and singers are in a better position across the pond because MOST of them AREN'T paid; even some cathedral and collegiate organists are paid little more than an honorarium (the same is true in France, by the way .... Dupre's stipend at St. Sulpice paid for his round trip train fare to and from the church each week).   As a result, when English organists set their faces against radical liturgical and musical changes, there wasn't a WHOLE lot the authorities could do about it, or they'd lose their organists AND their choirs; and English choir singers are FAMOUSLY conservative (grin).   THAT'S why you'll see long lists of choral settings of the Mass in the Sunday Times of London.   Cheers,   Bud   BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote:   > i have it really easy... i avoid like the plague any churches that are > full of crap. and if i'm employed by a church & they pull crap like > that, i make it very plain how completely idiotic they are, and make it > plain that that is exactly the reason i'm leaving. then i leave. > > for instance, at one church, ONE WEEK before easter, with only one choir =   > rehearsal left, the pastor said he wanted the choir to sing the > hallelujah chorus, but not the whole thing -- "just start at the 'king > of kings' part." only two in the 12-member choir could read music. he > & i had had a few run-ins before, but nothing like this. i simply told > him that i had no desire to be in a situation where completely > un-musical actions are dictated to me by someone with no musical > training, and gave my notice. > > sure makes like a lot more enjoyable when there's no stress from the > morons out there. > > scot