PipeChat Digest #4785 - Friday, September 24, 2004
 
Re: Colin's post, composition and biography
  by "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr>
Grosser Gott wir loben Dich
  by "Thomas Mohr" <thomasmohr@aon.at>
RE: Grosser Gott wir loben Dich
  by "Robert Fielding" <fieldings4@btopenworld.com>
Re: Grosser Gott wir loben Dich
  by "Richard Jordan" <mail@gesangbuch.org>
RE: homeless as of Oct. 6
  by "Ray Kimber" <ray@kimber.com>
Re: homeless as of Oct. 6
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: homeless as of Oct. 6
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: Colin's post, composition and biography
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Looking for Two Books
  by "Gayle Shipp" <pipechat@genies-bottle.com>
RE: homeless as of Oct. 6
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Austin Organ Available
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
RE: Looking for Two Books
  by "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net>
Re: homeless as of Oct. 6
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Sowande, Fela
  by "James M. Dahlgren" <jmdkimo@yahoo.com>
RE: Sowande, Fela
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
Central Asian music
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Sowande, Fela
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
partita for English Horn and Organ
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: partita for English Horn and Organ
  by "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net>
Re: partita for English Horn and Organ
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Colin's post, composition and biography From: "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:14:27 +0300   Cheer's Colin - I wondered if you were trying to stir it up! But you write with such authority that it's not always possible to decide! And I just can't wait to hear "Khoomeii," which will definitely fill an honoured = place on O & O O.   John Foss   Colin Mitchell wrote:   > With all this I would agree......my comment about > French music "degenerating into a brisk toccata" was > very much tongue in cheek......no other country writes > them better! > > I shall shortly be attempting to write down my > remarkable improvisation which tries to > re-create the traditional throat-singing techniques > from the Tuvan region and the etherial tones of the > Mongolian Cello; all delightfully encapsulated in a > modal 12-bar blues accompaniment.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:01 PM Subject: PipeChat Digest #4784 - 09/23/04        
(back) Subject: Grosser Gott wir loben Dich From: "Thomas Mohr" <thomasmohr@aon.at> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:10:14 +0200   Dear coleagues, dear Alan,   I did some internet research on the topic and these are the results:   The text of the Hymn was written by the Austrian poet Ignaz Franz around 17= 70,=20 aside "unknown author" the sources list nobody else.   The melody is a quite different subject. It seems to be based on a melody f= rom=20 L=FCneburg, Germany dating from 1668. whether this is the melody sung now i= =20 don't know. There seem to have been numerous modifications done by some=20 people, including an arrangement for the Katholische Gesangbuch, Peter Ritt= er=20 1799, some composer in Leipzig 1819 and finally Heinrich Bone 1852.   The sources differ on that subject. Some date the melody to L=FCneburg 1668= , the=20 Austrian "Gotteslob" [a catholic songbook] dates it to Vienna 1770, some=20 sources name Peter Ritter (1799) as composer. Heinrich Borne is only listed= =20 as having worked on it. In reality it probably was an evolution over all.   About the publication history: The hymn (text and melody) was first introdu= ced=20 in the=20   "Katholisches Gesangbuch, auf allerh=F6chsten Befehl Ihrer k. k. apost. Maj= est=E4t=20 Marien Theresiens zum Druck bef=F6rdert"=20   [Catholic Songbook printed on highest order of her imperial and royal=20 apostolic Majesty Maria Theresia] around 1770 in Vienna. The date 1744 is t= oo=20 early and probably a typo (I have seen the listing in the catalogue entry o= f=20 the library of the University of Salzburg). Additionally the hymn having be= en=20 published upon request of Maria Theresia in the Catholic Songbook is=20 inaccurate. The *whole songbook* was published on her order. Consequently i= n=20 the library listing she appears as primary author.   If I am in Salzburg one day i will take a look into this book and see how=20 similar the melodies are.   regards, Thomas   =2D-=20 DI Thomas Mohr Institute for Cancer Research Medical University of Vienna Borschkegasse 8a A-1090 Vienna   ++43 1 4277 65160  
(back) Subject: RE: Grosser Gott wir loben Dich From: "Robert Fielding" <fieldings4@btopenworld.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:59:27 +0100   Dear All, I have a copy of the melody in 'Unisono', a useful book of German chorales in current use. The text is a setting of the Te Deum. Could transfer to Finale/Tiff file if necessary. Regards, Robert   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Thomas Mohr Sent: 23 September 2004 11:10 To: PipeChat Subject: Grosser Gott wir loben Dich     Dear coleagues, dear Alan,   I did some internet research on the topic and these are the results:   The text of the Hymn was written by the Austrian poet Ignaz Franz around 1770, aside "unknown author" the sources list nobody else.   The melody is a quite different subject. It seems to be based on a melody from L=FCneburg, Germany dating from 1668. whether this is the melody sung now = i don't know. There seem to have been numerous modifications done by some people, including an arrangement for the Katholische Gesangbuch, Peter Ritter 1799, some composer in Leipzig 1819 and finally Heinrich Bone 1852.   The sources differ on that subject. Some date the melody to L=FCneburg = 1668, the Austrian "Gotteslob" [a catholic songbook] dates it to Vienna 1770, some sources name Peter Ritter (1799) as composer. Heinrich Borne is only = listed as having worked on it. In reality it probably was an evolution over all.   About the publication history: The hymn (text and melody) was first introduced in the   "Katholisches Gesangbuch, auf allerh=F6chsten Befehl Ihrer k. k. apost. Majest=E4t Marien Theresiens zum Druck bef=F6rdert"   [Catholic Songbook printed on highest order of her imperial and royal apostolic Majesty Maria Theresia] around 1770 in Vienna. The date 1744 is too early and probably a typo (I have seen the listing in the catalogue entry = of the library of the University of Salzburg). Additionally the hymn having been published upon request of Maria Theresia in the Catholic Songbook is inaccurate. The *whole songbook* was published on her order. Consequently = in the library listing she appears as primary author.   If I am in Salzburg one day i will take a look into this book and see how similar the melodies are.   regards, Thomas   -- DI Thomas Mohr Institute for Cancer Research Medical University of Vienna Borschkegasse 8a A-1090 Vienna   ++43 1 4277 65160   ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>      
(back) Subject: Re: Grosser Gott wir loben Dich From: "Richard Jordan" <mail@gesangbuch.org> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:13:36 -0500   At 12:10 PM 9/23/04 +0200, you wrote: >The text of the Hymn was written by the Austrian poet Ignaz Franz around 1770,=20   I really think this is doubtful - lets leave it anonymous   >The melody is a quite different subject. It seems to be based on a melody from=20 >L=FCneburg, Germany dating from 1668. whether this is the melody sung now i= =20 >don't know. There seem to have been numerous modifications done by some=20 >people, including an arrangement for the Katholische Gesangbuch, Peter Ritter=20 >1799, some composer in Leipzig 1819 and finally Heinrich Bone 1852.   if you check Zahn v2 #3495 - you will see that there are a number of other= =20 modifications over the years - there is a work for Catholic hymns similar to Zahn unfortunately I don't have it... it would probably have more info=20 all I'll say, is having worked with Zahn - it seems that in those days every hymnal editor might modify according to the prevailing tastes and each region might have its own tune for the same text         Regards, Richard Jordan   http://www.Lutheran-Hymnal.com http://www.OnJordansBanks.com  
(back) Subject: RE: homeless as of Oct. 6 From: "Ray Kimber" <ray@kimber.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 06:23:59 -0600   Dear Bud,     Can you remind me of your PayPal account name, is it still active?     Kind regards,     Ray        
(back) Subject: Re: homeless as of Oct. 6 From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 05:30:27 -0700   beejayusa@cox.net ... Burgie and I both use that, as you're only allowed one paypal account per bank account, and we have a joint account.   THANKS!   Bud   Ray Kimber wrote: > Dear Bud, > > > > Can you remind me of your PayPal account name, is it still active? > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Ray > > > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: homeless as of Oct. 6 From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:44:50 EDT   Bud, In Oklahoma a single person can get Medicaid and housing based on income. =   Disability Social Security is the same as CA, and has to go through = channels - usually being turned down the first or second time and having to get a = lawyer to handle it for you. Where I lived there was legal aid for low income = people. With Medicaid you also get food stamps. I was turned down for disability =   because I was still able to play the organ for a church and considered "employed." $500 is considered the limit for "gainfully employed," and if = you can make that much you usually cannot get Social Securty Disability. I don't know about any other state, including Texas, where I am now. The only benefit = I get now is a handicapped tag for my car and a Medicare Prescription card. (As = well as Medicare). I know this probably does not help your situation at this time, but when I found myself almost homeless, I kept searching until I = found the apartments subsidized by HUD and based on my income. Lee  
(back) Subject: Re: Colin's post, composition and biography From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 06:31:53 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Hee hee!   It's just that I heard a remarkable example of Mongolian folk-music this week at about 2am, which demonstrated the "throat singing" of the Tuvan people, where two notes are sung by the same person at the same time.   I used to do this as a boy, much to the concern of almost everyone, and I was delighted to learn that this ridiculous childhood experiment has a practical use!   (I also used to imitate racing car engines very successfully, and my Perkins Diesel engine was a gem)   Oddly enough, this strange Tuvan music COULD, at a guess, inspire improvisation, and it really does come close to being 12-bar blues....I was fascinated by it.   I didn't know......(how could I?)....that the most sought after bow hair comes from Mongolia and the Russian Steppes.   Now isn't that a gem of utterly useless information?   For about the next four days, YOU TOO can sample the delights of Tuvan throat-singing by going to the following BBC URL:-   http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/world/awards2004/profile_huunhuurtu.shtml   OR for the fuller, purer version without added synth effects:-   http://db.bbc.co.uk/radio3/worldmusic/musiclive2004.shtml THEN scroll down to Huun Huur Tu and click on "listen"   Of course, if this music inspires contrapuntal writing, it would just have to be called "Ghenghis Canon"   It may sound like something of a joke, but I really do commend this amazing voice technique to everyone's listening pleasure.....enjoy!   As for improvising....mmmmmm......I'll give it a go.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       --- John Foss <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr> wrote:   > Cheer's Colin - I wondered if you were trying to > stir it up! But you write > with such authority that it's not always possible to > decide! And I just > can't wait to hear "Khoomeii," which will definitely > fill an honoured place > on O & O O.       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail  
(back) Subject: Looking for Two Books From: "Gayle Shipp" <pipechat@genies-bottle.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:41:46 -0600   Hi, list....   I'm hoping that someone can give me a hand. I'm looking for two books that =   I'd like to purchase from someone.   "The Complete Organist, Book Two" -- published in the mid-90s by Kevin Mayhew and now out of print. If someone has the set of three and wants to sell them as a set, I'd certainly be happy to purchase the set, but I'm specifically looking for Book Two.   "Organ Accompaniments" by Sir Edward Bairstow -- published in 1969 by Oxford University Press. If someone has it and is unwilling to part with it, I'd love to at least figure out how to get copies of some of the contents for some studies I am doing.   I've looked at all of the on-line sources I can find, but haven't been = able to turn up either in a used book search. In fact, the Bairstow was published before the ISBN system became standardized in 1971 (or so I was told) and it doesn't show up in any book lists that used booksellers have! =   If anyone has other sources for purchasing books like these I'd love to hear about them.   And while I'm at it, although I seldom post to the list I want to say that =   I really enjoy being a part of this community. Everyone on this list is a wealth of information, both objective and subjective, and as a relatively new organist I've gained an incredible amount of knowledge in a very short =   period of time!   Warm regards,   ~~Gayle      
(back) Subject: RE: homeless as of Oct. 6 From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:20:47 -0700   I just received the msg below. I 'm sure it is all legit. but be careful divulging account names. John V           >Dear Bud, > > > >Can you remind me of your PayPal account name, is it still active? > > > >Kind regards, > > > >Ray > > > >    
(back) Subject: Austin Organ Available From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:23:40 -0700   >Hi People, > >Got a great DIY project for sale. We may soon be the recipients of a >nice 4rnk 2M Austin "Chorophone". > >It has a Principal, String, Gedeckt, and a bourdon/flute. Footprint >is about 4ft x 10 ft. Height appprox. 11ft. > >Console is part of the case flanked by 2 towers containing bottom >principal pipes, and projects out another 3ft or so. It is currently >moved away from the main case. > >"Universal" chest which contains all moving parts. This organ is >very clean, and was playing when disconnected from service - >literally - as they cut the cable between chest and console, BUT!! >cut in a way that it would be easy to ring out. >Stop rail indicates lots of unification especially the principal - >73 notes. Swell and crescendo pedal. > >Does need some TLC; like contact cleaning. was built somewhere in >the 20's. Redone in the 70's ( as far as we know) > >If anyone wants to make an offer before we add it to our for sale >inventory, email me here. Pix available > >Location: Dutchess county, NY about 70 miles due north of NYCity. >Help for dismantling, moving out available. > >John V  
(back) Subject: RE: Looking for Two Books From: "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:10:27 -0500   Bairstow's "Organ accompaniments on the unison verses of 24 hymn tunes = from The English Hymnal" is published by Oxford University Press 0-19-323170-0 and should be readily available. At least one on-line retailer shows it.   Michael     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Gayle Shipp Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:42 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Looking for Two Books     Hi, list....   I'm hoping that someone can give me a hand. I'm looking for two books that I'd like to purchase from someone.   "The Complete Organist, Book Two" -- published in the mid-90s by Kevin Mayhew and now out of print. If someone has the set of three and wants to sell them as a set, I'd certainly be happy to purchase the set, but I'm specifically looking for Book Two.   "Organ Accompaniments" by Sir Edward Bairstow -- published in 1969 by Oxford University Press. If someone has it and is unwilling to part with it, I'd love to at least figure out how to get copies of some of the contents for some studies I am doing.   I've looked at all of the on-line sources I can find, but haven't been = able to turn up either in a used book search. In fact, the Bairstow was published before the ISBN system became standardized in 1971 (or so I was told) and it doesn't show up in any book lists that used booksellers have! If anyone has other sources for purchasing books like these I'd love to hear about them.        
(back) Subject: Re: homeless as of Oct. 6 From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:57:12 EDT   Bud: Call Binder and Binder. They handle cases like yours. They may be able to work something out for you. They have offices all over the place ans specialize in problems like yoiurs. Ron  
(back) Subject: Sowande, Fela From: "James M. Dahlgren" <jmdkimo@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:47:29 -0700 (PDT)   Listers,   Does anyone have a copy of:   Sowande, Fela "Two Preludes on Yoruba Sacred Folk Melodies" Novello circa 1929 "Original Compositions for the Organ (New Series)" No.s 186 & 187   I see a listing for it on the back of my copy of Hollin's "Trumpet Minuete;" however, I have been unable to locate a copy in any inter library loan database.   Does anyone play any of Sowande's Music? I see that he studied with George Oldroyd and Organists in 1943.   I see that he was a Visiting Scholar at Northwestern and gave some recitals in the Chicago area, so maybe someone from Chicago or Northwestern may have/know something.   As Always, In His Peace -James   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "In the end we shall have had enough of cynicism, skepticism and humbug = and we shall all want to live more musically" - Vincent Van Gogh   James Milne Dahlgren 225 East 3rd Street, Apartment 7 San Angelo, Texas 76903 (325) 212-4343     _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: RE: Sowande, Fela From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:36:51 +0100   I have copies of "Yoruba Lament" and "Go Down Moses" which I play now and then.   Will Light Coventry UK <a href=3D"callto://will-light"><img src=3D"http://goodies.skype.com/graphics/skypeme_btn_orange.gif" border=3D"0"></a>   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of James M. Dahlgren Sent: 23 September 2004 21:47 To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Sowande, Fela   Listers,   Does anyone have a copy of:   Sowande, Fela "Two Preludes on Yoruba Sacred Folk Melodies" Novello circa 1929 "Original Compositions for the Organ (New Series)" No.s 186 & 187   I see a listing for it on the back of my copy of Hollin's "Trumpet Minuete;" however, I have been unable to locate a copy in any inter library loan database.   Does anyone play any of Sowande's Music? I see that he studied with George Oldroyd and Organists in 1943.   I see that he was a Visiting Scholar at Northwestern and gave some recitals in the Chicago area, so maybe someone from Chicago or Northwestern may have/know something.   As Always, In His Peace -James   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "In the end we shall have had enough of cynicism, skepticism and humbug = and we shall all want to live more musically" - Vincent Van Gogh   James Milne Dahlgren 225 East 3rd Street, Apartment 7 San Angelo, Texas 76903 (325) 212-4343     _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com   ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>    
(back) Subject: Central Asian music From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:48:34 -0400   On 9/23/04 9:31 AM, "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:   > I heard a remarkable example of Mongolian folk-music this week at about 2= am, > which demonstrated the "throat singing" of the Tuvan people, where two no= tes > are sung by the same person at the same time.   Colin: I've listened to a whole bunch of it. And I=B9m going to keep going. Have recommended to a couple of friends. It is FABULOUS!   What amazes me most is how very SIMILAR it is to =B3our=B2 music. You could si= t right down and transcribe almost all of it onto music MS paper. I have to wonder whether that=B9s real, or a later development. It=B9s not even =B3modal,=B2 but just plain Western diatonic scale, with solid bases on the tonic, the third, and the fifth of the scale! Almost never a sixth, but even that happened a few times in one isolated passage.   Most always triple time (I think). Even the instrumentation is like ours (though with a lack of brass).   I=B9d love to hear a comment (at length) from a Western musicologist. You=B9ll do!   Alan  
(back) Subject: Re: Sowande, Fela From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:46:38 -0500   James M. Dahlgren wrote:   >Does anyone have a copy of: > >Sowande, Fela >"Two Preludes on Yoruba Sacred Folk Melodies" >Novello circa 1929 >"Original Compositions for the Organ (New Series)" >No.s 186 & 187 > > I don't have copies of either; but this is what I'd do to get them.   First, contact Novello (Music Sales UK; <www.chesternovello.com>). They may be able to supply archival copies.   If that fails, the odds are quite good, in my estimation, that you can acquire copies from one of the UK libraries of mandatory deposit, (British, Welsh National, Irish National, Scottish Library, and the libraries of Cambridge and Oxford Universities); my personal preference among that lot is Cambridge.   ns  
(back) Subject: partita for English Horn and Organ From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:55:58 -0700   Does anybody recall the composer or publisher? It was quite popular on recital programs a number of years ago ... Koestler?   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: partita for English Horn and Organ From: "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:03:26 -0400   KOETSIER, JAN PARTITA, OP. 41, NO. 1 (ENGLISH HORN & ORGAN) PUBLISHER: DONEMUS D 130   I first heard this on a recording by E. Power Biggs -- a delightful piece indeed! I've got the score, but have never had the good fortune of finding a good English horn player.   Steve Best in Utica, NY       Liquescent wrote:   > Does anybody recall the composer or publisher? It was quite popular on > recital programs a number of years ago ... Koestler? > > Cheers, > > Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: partita for English Horn and Organ From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:06:48 EDT   In a message dated 9/23/04 10:53:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, quilisma@cox.net writes:   << Does anybody recall the composer or publisher? It was quite popular on recital programs a number of years ago ... Koestler? >>   Amost, it's Koetsier. I believe it's published by Donemus. (It also = works well on alto sax)   Richard Spittel