PipeChat Digest #4791 - Monday, September 27, 2004
 
Re: OK...what about Pipe organ builders messing up good pipe organs?!
  by "Scott" <montre1978@yahoo.com>
the "Keeping Quilisma Liquescent" Fund
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Stoplist Fee
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Pardini Solo piece
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: Stoplist Fee
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: stoplist fee?
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: stoplist fee?
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Greenville Recital
  by "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net>
Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, Chicago
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
GOOD NEWS!
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: stoplist fee?
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Re: GOOD NEWS!
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Christmas music query
  by <Miltronix2004@wmconnect.com>
Re: Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, Chicago
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: stoplist fee?
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
RE: Fees to get older documentation etc.
  by "nycchelsea@yahoo.com" <nycchelsea@yahoo.com>
Re: What did you play today?
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: What did you play today
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: What did you play today?
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: OK...what about Pipe organ builders messing up good pipe organs?! From: "Scott" <montre1978@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:14:30 -0500   We have a 1924 Skinner in Champaign and the 16' Double Trumpet in the = swell is not transferred to the pedal, just a nice wooden trombone, = which isn't too big. If anyone is from around this area, this instrument = was originally in the recital hall at the University of Illinois, now = placed in a Methodist church. The cello and the Celeste along with it = are to die for....big strings. It is a straight organ with no = borrowing from any other divisions. =20   Scott Montgomery 619 W Church St. Champaign, IL 61820 217.390.0158 www.scottmontgomerymusic.net  
(back) Subject: the "Keeping Quilisma Liquescent" Fund From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:23:40 -0700   We're halfway there!   Thank you all SO MUCH!!   But the landlord is now demanding the back rent by Oct. 1st.   Please help if you can.   THANKS!   Bud   Checks:   Raymond H. Clark 2616 University Ave. San Diego CA 92104-2810   PayPal:   beejayusa@cox.net      
(back) Subject: Re: Stoplist Fee From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:29:49 EDT   >i recently contacted a large organ building company requesting a = stoplist of an organ they >installed in the 1920s. i just received a reply = stating they will send it if i send them $50. >this seems abnormally high to me. = is this the going rate for a photocopy of something in >their archives? It sounds as if the company either 1.) doesn't want to take the time to = send it to you or 2.) needs the money. I requested a stop list from a company =   not too long ago and the owner/president of the company emailed it to me = with a nice note thanking me for interest in the company and sent me a long detailed explanation of his working with the church and how they came up = with the stop list, etc. It was very interesting, especially, since the music = director there at the time (long since gone) is an acquaintance of mine. I think = that $50 is outrageous, since it only takes a few minutes to go to the files, = get the stoplist, copy it, and then it might take $.50 worth of paper and another $.50 to mail it. If they emailed it, it would cost less. I = think it's a rip off, myself. Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: Re: Pardini Solo piece From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:34:07 EDT   God of Grace and God of Glory Paul Manz Published by MorningStar Music in at least two formats/collections, i.e., =   Paul Manz Favorites, Five Chorale Improvisations for Weddings, etc. The = dear folk at the publishing house will know, right away!!! It's a top seller, = I'm sure. _Morningstar Music Publishers_ (http://www.morningstarmusic.com/) Dale G. Rider, MSM, CAGO Independence, MO USA  
(back) Subject: Re: Stoplist Fee From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:50:33 -0700   As I recall, I DID encounter that from ONE large organ-builder ... I was trying to document an instrument that had been changed a couple of times.   Whoever they were, I think they were shooting themselves in the foot. These days, the SLIGHTEST indication of interest in ANYTHING about a builder's work (past, present, OR future) will usually get you a HUGE packet from most builders, including stoplists, color photos, CDs, etc. .... and that includes European builders, for whom air mail postage ain't cheap (grin).   And, BTW, I REALLY appreciate that. I've worked in advertising ... producing that stuff ain't cheap either.   THANK YOU, ORGAN-BUILDERS!   Cheers,   Bud   RMB10@aol.com wrote:   >>i recently contacted a large organ building company requesting a = stoplist > > of an organ they >installed in the 1920s. i just received a reply = stating > they will send it if i send them $50. >this seems abnormally high to = me. is > this the going rate for a photocopy of something in >their archives? > > It sounds as if the company either 1.) doesn't want to take the time to = send > it to you or 2.) needs the money. I requested a stop list from a = company > not too long ago and the owner/president of the company emailed it to me = with a > nice note thanking me for interest in the company and sent me a long > detailed explanation of his working with the church and how they came up = with the > stop list, etc. It was very interesting, especially, since the music = director > there at the time (long since gone) is an acquaintance of mine. I = think that > $50 is outrageous, since it only takes a few minutes to go to the = files, get > the stoplist, copy it, and then it might take $.50 worth of paper and > another $.50 to mail it. If they emailed it, it would cost less. I = think it's a > rip off, myself. > > Monty Bennett > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: Re: stoplist fee? From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:56:56 EDT   Unheard of . . . before today. For more than 40 years I have been receiving stoplists, company = promotional brochures and booklets - a collection I love to browse through from time = to time. Perhaps the particular instrument in question requires lengthy = research and digging. And, anytime there's "digging," there's bound to be a fee. = You just have to decide if it's really worth shelling out an equivalent = amount that would supply a couple of brand new organ collections, instead. Dale G. Rider Indepedence, MO  
(back) Subject: Re: stoplist fee? From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:39:54 -0400   << Unheard of . . . before today. For more than 40 years I have been receiving stoplists, company = promotional brochures and booklets - a collection I love to browse through = from time to time. Perhaps the particular instrument in question requires = lengthy research and digging. And, anytime there's "digging," there's = bound to be a fee. You just have to decide if it's really worth shelling = out an equivalent amount that would supply a couple of brand new organ = collections, instead. >>   the company in question is austin. they won't get a cent from me since = the organ i'm inquiring about is literally across the street from my = church. and as far as them digging around for the original stoplist, they = have it handy because their rep has been in touch with our guild chapter = regarding the recent renovations to the instrument.   i was curious to know how much (if any) the organ has been changed over = the decades, but i'm not curious enough to pay that amount.   scot  
(back) Subject: Greenville Recital From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:12:08 -0400   List,   Will anyone be attending the organ recital at Furman University this = Friday evening? Olivier Latry will be performing on their new 3 manual = Fisk organ (Opus 121).   I hope to meet a few of y'all.   Keith
(back) Subject: Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, Chicago From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:58:09 EDT   I did some research today, and finally found the original stoplist of the =   Mt. Carmel E.M. Skinner organ, Opus 719, from 1928 in the Dorothy Holden = book, "The Life and Times of Ernest M. Skinner." According to this book, the original pedal division did not include a pedal borrow of the Swell 16' = Waldhorn. The pedal division was as follows: 16 Diapason 32 pipes 16 Diapason (GT 16 Diapason) 16 Contra Bass 56 pipes 16 Bourdon 44 pipes 16 Gamba (CH 16' Gamba) 8 Octave (ext. Contra Bass) 8 Cello (ext Gamba) 8 Gedeckt (ext Bourdon) 4 Super Octave (ext Contra Bass) 16 Trombone 44 pipes 8 Tromba (ext Trombone) The current stoplist is on the church website, and it does differ slightly = from the stoplist in the book. According to the church's website, it said = that the Fabry Company did the restoration and brought the organ back to = the original stoplist, so I am assuming that at some point, it was altered. = They have added a 32' Untersatz, and a Zimbelstern, and the Vox Humana is = missing from the original stoplist, as is the Harp on the Swell. The website is _www.mt-carmel.org_ (http://www.mt-carmel.org) . According to Mrs. = Holden, the organ "was in it's original tonal design in 1975". (p. 276) The = book lists the organ as being 47 ranks and 53 stops, the church website lists = the organ as being 54 ranks. I can't seem to add up the number of ranks to = be 54, so they must mean 54 stops. The new Trumpet en Chamade that Desiree' = spoke of is not mentioned on the church website at all. Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: GOOD NEWS! From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:50:28 -0700   The doctor at the free clinic wrote a letter listing my medical problems in detail (evidently he took the trouble to READ my files, unlike Social Security) and stating CATEGORICALLY that I'm unable to return to my accustomed profession or anything ELSE.   So that should settle Social Security's hash, EVENTUALLY. I still don't have a date for the hearing.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: stoplist fee? From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:16:59 -0400     On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:39:54 -0400 BlueeyedBear@aol.com writes: > << Unheard of . . . before today. > > For more than 40 years I have been receiving stoplists, company > promotional brochures and booklets > > the company in question is Austin. they won't get a cent from me > since the organ I'm inquiring about is literally across the street > from my church.     I am familiar with Austin's policy. The interest in that firm's work is so high that if they were to freely give away such info, they would have to hire a part time person to do it!!   In addition, if you avail yourself of their service, you get an entire history of the organ, contract copies, correspondence etc. Well worth the price if you really need the info.   Jim             "Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game, and dumb enough to think it's important." -Eugene McCarthy  
(back) Subject: Re: GOOD NEWS! From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:06:34 -0400   Dear Bud, You should be able to find a pro bono lawyer that can speed up your case now that you have the medical info and get you on SS ASAP. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> To: <anglican-music@list.stsams.org>; "Anglican" <Anglican@stsams.org>; "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:50 PM Subject: GOOD NEWS!     > The doctor at the free clinic wrote a letter listing my medical problems > in detail (evidently he took the trouble to READ my files, unlike Social > Security) and stating CATEGORICALLY that I'm unable to return to my > accustomed profession or anything ELSE. > > So that should settle Social Security's hash, EVENTUALLY. I still don't > have a date for the hearing. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 9/3/2004    
(back) Subject: Christmas music query From: <Miltronix2004@wmconnect.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:49:20 EDT   Hi Listers.   I'm curious if anyone else performs Robert Elmore's THE INCARNATE WORD at their church nowadays??? I'm doing a good chunk of it on Christmas Eve, = but I don't hear of its being performed much any more.   Ditto for William Timmings' THE KING SHALL COME. It has a *gorgeous* (if = you like lush, dramatic stuff) setting of Psalm 121 for soprano soloist and chorus, which we're doing one Advent Sunday (a week before our = 'contemporary choir musicale', ironically.)   What say ye?? Curious mind wants to know... have these two works pretty = much died out? Thanky for info!   Bill Miller, Norfolk VA  
(back) Subject: Re: Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, Chicago From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:02:29 -0700 (PDT)   Monty did a little research here and thanks for that, and yes it was said = company, but I wished to remain discreet about it. The Trompette EnChamade was added in April of this year and is playable on = all 3 manuals via knob. The Vox Humana is still on the Swell. Theres a = prep for a 32 Cont.Bomb. and along with the 32 untersatz and zimblestern, = there was the movernization of multiple memories etc. The Organ loft is = small and basically is big enough for 3 consoles and the coneole sits = right in the middle of the organ, with the 16 trombone RIGHT over your = head.     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today!
(back) Subject: Re: stoplist fee? From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:39:50 -0400   I also go this kind of reply from Austin a year or two ago as I was searching for a stoplist.   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA   On 9/27/04 4:39 PM, "BlueeyedBear@aol.com" <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> wrote:   > << Unheard of . . . before today. > > For more than 40 years I have been receiving stoplists, company = promotional > brochures and booklets - a collection I love to browse through from time = to > time. Perhaps the particular instrument in question requires lengthy = research > and digging. And, anytime there's "digging," there's bound to be a = fee. You > just have to decide if it's really worth shelling out an equivalent = amount > that would supply a couple of brand new organ collections, instead. >> > > the company in question is austin. they won't get a cent from me since = the > organ i'm inquiring about is literally across the street from my church. = and > as far as them digging around for the original stoplist, they have it = handy > because their rep has been in touch with our guild chapter regarding the > recent renovations to the instrument. > > i was curious to know how much (if any) the organ has been changed over = the > decades, but i'm not curious enough to pay that amount. > > scot    
(back) Subject: RE: Fees to get older documentation etc. From: "nycchelsea@yahoo.com" <nycchelsea@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:43:32 -0700 (PDT)   RE: Fees to get original contracts etc/ & Reuter organ company:   Reuter Organ company is a class act. They have been VERY helpful to me on my restoration of a older Reuter organ (http://www.reuter822.com)...   As to the charges for documents, I can totally understand a company charging for this service. I don't think 50.00 is unreasonable to charge for documents. Some do it for free (like Reuter) but these companies are not exactly money mills so I would not begrudge them covering some of their costs. John         __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail  
(back) Subject: Re: What did you play today? From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 00:06:34 EDT   Prelude, a medley of hymn tune arrangements from Pedalpoint Offertory: For The Beauty of the Earth, arr Page Postlude: Toccata in G minor (Bach) The Minister of Music sang "More than Wonderfull"   The new Pedalpoint has been revised to be the size of a music book and it = has only music for piano and organ and organ and piano duets. I enjoyed the articles very much and have kept Pedalpoints since the '80s. It was = always one of my goals to have an arrangement published in Pedalpoint. I understand now = it is by invitation only. Most of my arrangements are either in my head or = on casette, or on Finale, unfinished. I enjoy improvising, but not writing = it down. I may submit a joke to Reader's Digest. Lee  
(back) Subject: Re: What did you play today From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 00:10:23 EDT   That is one of those rare times in a Baptist church, Monty. I have exprienced it maybe once in a smaller church. It's very special. Lee  
(back) Subject: Re: What did you play today? From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 00:18:42 EDT   Friday was a different sort of day. We went to Chickasha, my former home before Keith, where Keith and I had our hair cut/fixed, and my Pekingese = groomed. We were going Saturday to the AGO Masterclass By Antone Godding. We just =   happened to look at the schedule and it is next Saturday. So we spent the = day in Chickasha visiting friends We are going to Oklahoma City Saturday = morning to the workshop. Tomorrow night we are going to a concert by Dr. Brown of = TWU. The music series at the colleges here, in Ft. Worth and Dallas is = beginning, as well as several of the churches. My pet peeve is that some of the = concerts are on Sunday at 4:00 and I have to be at a choir rehearsal at 5:00 and usually have to get there at 4:30 to run through the music for the = Minister of Music to sing. On Saturday, Oct. 23, we are going to Wichita Kansas to = hear the Wurlitzer at Century II with Jelenie Eddinton playing the Theater Organ. October, November and December have many special concerts. Lee