PipeChat Digest #4793 - Tuesday, September 28, 2004
 
very strange EBAY sale
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: stoplist fee?
  by "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: stoplist fee?
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Re:  Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, Chicago
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: stoplist fee?
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: stoplist fee .... Am I the only one sho?
  by "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com>
Re: stoplist fee .... Am I the only one who?
  by "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com>
Re: Hurricane Felix!
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Anglican-Music is down again
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: =A0Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, Chicago
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: =A0Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, Chicago
  by "Scott" <montre1978@yahoo.com>
RC Skinners
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Christmas music query
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: charging for info
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: stoplist fee?
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: stoplist fee .... Am I the only one who?
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Rinck's "Rondo for a Flute stop".
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: stoplist fee?
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
In memoriam
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Rinck's "Rondo for a Flute stop".
  by "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net>
 

(back) Subject: very strange EBAY sale From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 05:10:02 EDT   Hi- Just doing some browsing on EBAY and found this---Does anyone know who = Neal Campbell is? It saddens me to see something like this for sale on EBAY...for 15 = dollars...   http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D37977&item=3D37515= 04890& rd=3D1       Gregory Ceurvorst 1921 Sherman Ave. #GS Evanston, IL 60201 847.332.2788 home/fax 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net  
(back) Subject: Re: stoplist fee? From: "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:54:15 +0200   Jim McFarland wrote: > I am familiar with Austin's policy. The interest in that firm's work is > so high that if they were to freely give away such info, they would have > to hire a part time person to do it!!   Interest in the material is high. Isn't it then just the nature of capitalism that a company would charge for it, to make profit? Austin must have a fairly ineffective organizational structure if it really costs them 50$ to dig out a stop list! But there's another possible reason -- they may have hired a part time person to do the job!   Jarle  
(back) Subject: Re: stoplist fee? From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:32:14 -0400     On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:54:15 +0200 Jarle Fagerheim <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk> writes:   > Interest in the material is high. Isn't it then just the nature of > capitalism that a company would charge for it, to make profit? > Austin must have a fairly ineffective organizational structure if it really > costs them 50$ to dig out a stop list! But there's another possible > reason -- they may have hired a part time person to do the job!     Digging out the stuff is only part of it. It must then be xeroxed and collated. A cover letter, invoice, and mailing envelope must then be produced. As I said, it is partly to discourage rampant requests. Minimum Billing of $50 is somewhat normal in the industry.   Most important: Making a profit is an inherent part of staying in business!   Jim                 "Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game, and dumb enough to think it's important." -Eugene McCarthy  
(back) Subject: Re: Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, Chicago From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:43:43 EDT   >Monty did a little research here and thanks for that, and yes it was = said company, but I >wished to remain discreet about it.   Why di dyou want to be discreet about it when it is proudly displayed on = the church's wensite on the "Organs" page? I didn't have to be a genius to = find out about the organ. I did a Google search to find the correct website = for the church, scrolled down to the page about the organs and a couple of = lines down, is boldly proclaims that the 1928 E.M. Skinner organ was rebuilt by = the Fabry Company. I don't know why you wanted to be discreet about it, the church surely wasn't. As to the Vox Humana knob being there, the stop is not listed on the church's stop list. I wonder if the Vox was taken out, and only the knob = remains? Any Chicagoans know???? Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: Re: stoplist fee? From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:37:51 -0700       I repair a lot of old lab equipment at this college, If i need a manual, scematic, etc. the vendors charge anywhere from 20 to 200 dollars. Is it worth it? depends...   John  
(back) Subject: Re: stoplist fee .... Am I the only one sho? From: "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 06:17:38 -0700 (PDT)   Hi Everyone, Up front I will say that I am an unabashed "fan" of Austin Organs ..... = although I have no links to them in anyway. Now to the matter at hand .............. Am I the only one who is struck = by the fact that the same folks on this list that have no problem calling = upon their congregations to spent 6 figure amounts for a pipe organ = ............ do not see the irony that they are unwilling to spend = ANYTHING of their own money ........... to help the very same pipe organ = builders ?????? Matt       --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today!
(back) Subject: Re: stoplist fee .... Am I the only one who? From: "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 06:18:13 -0700 (PDT)   Hi Everyone, Up front I will say that I am an unabashed "fan" of Austin Organs ..... = although I have no links to them in anyway. Now to the matter at hand .............. Am I the only one who is struck = by the fact that the same folks on this list that have no problem calling = upon their congregations to spent 6 figure amounts for a pipe organ = ............ do not see the irony that they are unwilling to spend = ANYTHING of their own money ........... to help the very same pipe organ = builders ?????? Matt         --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage!
(back) Subject: Re: Hurricane Felix! From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:19:55 -0400   << Last Sunday afternoon I was attempting to navigate the traffic on I 695 = on my way to Our Lady of the Angels Church in Catonsville, Maryland. >>   AARRGGHH!!!!!! I wish this retirement community would advertise their = concert series in the local community!!! I live about a mile from there = and knew nothing about it.   Maybe next year.   Richard Spittel Baltimore, MD  
(back) Subject: Anglican-Music is down again From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:40:42 -0700   For those of you who are also on Anglican-Music (and those who aren't), I invite you to join Anglican Orphans of the Storm (AOOTS) at   http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/AOOTS/?yguid=3D158612861   which I created as an alternative, for just such "emergencies" (grin).   Cheers,   Bud          
(back) Subject: Re: =A0Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, Chicago From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:19:17 -0400   Having played recitals at Our Lady of Mt. Carmel in years past during the = tenure and at the invitation of William Ferris as Music Director, I can = attest to the following:   -the Choir Gallery is rather limited in floor space   -the 16' Open Wood does in fact shake the balcony as well as the wooden = floorboards of the church nave below   -the Tuba Mirabilis will split hairs due to its intensity   -the Vox Humana WAS there last time I played it because I played the = Franck b-minor Choral and it calls for that stop, as well as the E-Major = choral on a previous recital   It's a grand sound indeed, and let us recall that a Roman Catholic Parish = having an EM Skinner installed originally was indeed a luxury.   Let us not discount the beautiful Visser-Roland tracker organ at the front = left of the Nave. It, too, is a beautiful example of that builder's = product. I well remember my first recital at Mt. Carmel where I played = the first half downstairs and the second half upstairs. Great fun and = great sounds- that church is indeed fortunate to have such fine = instruments leading it's music.   -Scott Foppiano, Memphis, TN  
(back) Subject: Re: =A0Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, Chicago From: "Scott" <montre1978@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:25:26 -0500   Is it possible that these stop knobs--the two 32' stops, were put on there =   by Skinner as preparations and not listed on the stoplists? Is it also possible that the Vox stop knob doesn't turn the Vox on presently, but the =   pipes are indeed there. I was there a year ago and I think I remember the =   Vox. I also remember Vierne sounding glorious!   Scott Montgomery 619 W Church St. Champaign, IL 61820 217.390.0158 www.scottmontgomerymusic.net    
(back) Subject: RC Skinners From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:38:44 -0700   Skinners in RC churches were rather rare, it seems. There was a GLORIOUS 3m one in GLORIOUS acoustics in St. Thomas Aquinas Church (?) near the major seminary in Cleveland ... the church was torn down, but I believe the organ was salvaged and installed elsewhere. I particularly remember the butter-smooth 16' Trombone.   The 3m romantic Casavant from St. Benedict's, the parish church of the Benedictine Abbey in Cleveland, went to Immaculate Conception on Superior Ave. when St. Benedict's was torn down. Immaculate Conception is now home to one of the Cleveland Tridentine Masses, and a FABULOUS choir. IC had lost their 19th century tracker sometime before I came to Cleveland in the '60s ... I remember an electronic being in there back = then.   Evidently the pipes have been removed from the derelict Skinners in Trinity (Episcopal) Cathedral and Emmanuel Episcopal (the pro-cathedral before Trinity was built) ... I haven't heard anything lately about the fate of another Skinner in a closed Christian Science Church. And of course the PRIZE, the big 5m, is still sitting mostly unused in Public = Hall.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: Christmas music query From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:48:09 -0700 (PDT)   Im busy getting ready for a situation where we will have Lessons and = Carols as well as a big Christmas Eve service, with lots of choir. I will = pull out festive favorites...Ding Dong Merrily, the Shaw Fanfare for = Christmas Day, the first mvt. to the Vivaldi Gloria (the Setting by S. = Drummond Wolff is the best, as he was so good with "organ-izing" = accompaniments, and calls for solo trumpet). Im also going to pull out a = setting of Go Tell It. I think that some of the movements from Pinkham's = Christmas Cantata are certainly extractable while remaining musical. As far as the organ goes, one of my good friends/colleagues from the list = here encouraged me to read the Fenner Douglass book on French Classical = music and to include a Noel on my recent program in Detroit, so I have = found a new liking for the music. Im finding it helpful to do both = together inorder to really understand where the music is coming from. So, = I will include a few noels this Advent/Christmas season, o few of the = Orgelbuchlein pieces, and some usual arrangements of Carols/Advent hymns. = My favorite collection to use at that time is Craig Penfields From Advent = to Epiphany, which has some very useful things. I will do the Lubeck = Toccata and Fugue in F one Sunday for prelude/postlude one sunday, = splitting the piece. I do have to remember that I really won't need that = much music, just enough to get me thru the 4 Sundays of Advent, Christmas = eve, day, sunday after, etc. For Christmas eve, I will pull out my = trusties...the Buxtehude C major, and Widor's Toccata.       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: Re: charging for info From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:21:44 EDT   In a message dated 9/27/04 9:53:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kzrev@rr1.net =   writes:   > But is there not an ethical question involved here, too, in the details? > That is, if Church A is involved in extensive correspondence and = contract > negotiations with Builder B, is it really appropriate for the builder to > release that information to the general public? Perhaps there comes a = point > where it is such old material as to be a moot point, but surely we would > think very little of other providers of services who did such releases!   in this particular case, the organ is located in a high school. also, the =   renovation is finished.  
(back) Subject: Re: stoplist fee? From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:29:18 EDT   In a message dated 9/28/04 4:36:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mcfarland6@juno.com writes:   > Digging out the stuff is only part of it. It must then be xeroxed and > collated. A cover letter, invoice, and mailing envelope must then be > produced. As I said, it is partly to discourage rampant requests. > Minimum Billing of $50 is somewhat normal in the industry. > > Most important: Making a profit is an inherent part of staying in > business!   i disagree. having worked in a business where retrieving archived information can be extensive, i know that it doesn't take more than a few = minutes to retrieve a couple of sheets of paper (stoplists aren't THAT long!) which = should be easily searched (since i can provide the date of installation, = location, city/state, and opus number), photocopied and put into an ordinary = envelope. there is no need for a cover letter or invoice.   let's suppose the company got five such requests on a given day. all five =   should be able to be processed and put in the mail in less than an hour. = at $50 a pop, the company just made $250 for less than an hour's work.   what's wrong with this picture?  
(back) Subject: Re: stoplist fee .... Am I the only one who? From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:35:18 EDT   In a message dated 9/28/04 6:24:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mattcinnj@yahoo.com writes:   > Now to the matter at hand .............. Am I the only one who is struck = by > the fact that the same folks on this list that have no problem calling = upon > their congregations to spent 6 figure amounts for a pipe organ = ............ > do not see the irony that they are unwilling to spend ANYTHING of their = own > money ........... to help the very same pipe organ builders ??????   this is a different situation. the organ is in a high school, across the street from my church. the school organ has been renovated and the = project is complete. the local guild chapter just met at the school and the organ = was demonstrated to us. a current stoplist is available from the school. = however, i was interested in the original stoplist, only for a comparison.  
(back) Subject: Re: Rinck's "Rondo for a Flute stop". From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:41:09 EDT   In a message dated 9/27/04 4:18:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jmdkimo@yahoo.com writes:   > I am most intrigued! An interlibrary loan database > search reveals no listing for a "Rondo for a Flute > stop". I would greatly appreciate any information as > to a possible source.   i have a set of LPs that i bought in the mid-1970s, and that's how the = piece is labeled. however, corliss arnold lists it as "Rondo (from Concerto for = a Flute Stop)." It was published by h.w. gray, in "historical recitals 38, 1925."   the Floten-concert for Organ, Op. 55, was published by forberg, 1976.   the rondo is not lifted verbatim from the concerto. rather, it was kinda "built" from snippets here & there. funny thing is, i find it more = interesting than the concerto. however, the concerto has a nice cadenza at the end = which doesn't appear in the rondo.   the rondo makes a cute little filler, but it does require some manual dexterity. the pedal part is sightreadable.   scot  
(back) Subject: Re: stoplist fee? From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:41:49 -0400   "What's wrong with this picture?"   It's not my company and I don't get $250 an hour, that's what's wrong!  
(back) Subject: In memoriam From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:56:47 -0500   Tribute to Jackie Malone - Memorial Service September 28, 2004     W. H. Auden once said, "We are here on Earth to do good to others. What the others are here for, I don't know." He may have said it first, but it could well have been Jackie Malone's motto.   Jackie was many things to many people, one person at a time. She was active in her church, active in other churches, involved in the Democratic Party at several levels, a diligent guardian ad litem, instrumental in Relay for Life and other causes which you will hear about today.   How did I know Jackie? I met her through her brother Richard, who became an active member of St. Agatha's Episcopal Church about the time the organ was being built, around 1989 or 1990. Richard was an organist and organ enthusiast who poured himself into the life of the church. He became my mentor, and along with Father John Fowler encouraged me, kicking and screaming, to study the organ.   One day Jackie visited church with him, and she was in character a mirror image. She poured herself into cause after cause, believing in her own feminist form of "muscular Christianity", to coin an old antebellum notion. Jackie was a natural leader, but she led by example. She didn't seem too interested in headlines; she rolled up her sleeves and washed feet. She didn't just sit in a pew and simper; she didn't pontificate. She was an Indian in a world overrun with chiefs.   We became friends. We would go to musical events together. She was very proud of her musical family: Richard, Mark and Patricia, Patrick and Jacqueline. Richard and Jackie were generous contributors to the organ, and later, to the piano at St. Agatha's. When the attempt was made to resurrect the St. Agatha's Lakeside Concert Series, she and Richard were extremely supportive, attending all the events, giving generously of their monies between every event, and helping to publicize the recitals. Every time I got discouraged, she'd appear out of the blue to give advice or encourage me, to stop me from running around in circles like a crazed Chihuahua.   My favorite memories of Jackie involve her hats. She never came to a church event without one. They were all gorgeous, a perfect complement to her always meticulous wardrobe, an adornment suitable for a striking, beautiful, self-possessed lady. She proved no shrinking violet to high heels, something I gave up a long time ago.   A couple years ago I decided to change jobs and joined the Guardian ad Litem Program. Jackie had been a volunteer in that program since 1996, and had been chosen GAL of the Year in 1999. She volunteered for nine cases involving 17 children. I remember that she didn't back down, even in one case (back before the local program had an attorney) when the Department attorney was shouting at her in the courthouse lobby. She was still on a case of a little boy abandoned by his parents and raised by his grandparents. Parental rights had been terminated, but she was still on the case to advocate for speedy adoption, so that the boy would finally feel he belonged.   As I told Richard the other day, being a GAL is one of the hardest volunteer jobs, and volunteers many times burn out easily, get upset if the judge does not follow their recommendations, and get too close emotionally to the case, losing their objectivity. Jackie never did this - she continued in her brisk, business-like, no-nonsense way to advocate for the child. She even recruited others for the program, and her son Patrick is a GAL. She remained non-judgmental regarding the parents, and found joy in making tiny differences in lives, one life at a time.   That is what she taught me. I was always an ambitious cuss, wanting to make a big splash in life, be the best at everything, and slay dragons. But she showed me that all our flamboyant attempts to change the world and leave our mark wash away in the sands of time. It is the little things we do for individuals, the giving of our time, our monies, our selves, that plant the seeds for change. It is the losing of our selves that gives us immortality. The Gospel of Matthew records our Lord as saying, "He who loses his life for My sake will find it." And Jackie did.   Many people would look at Jackie's senseless murder and point to it as an example why we should be more selective who we help. There are those of "them" that "we" should avoid. Jackie herself would say there is no "us" and no "them". As W. H. Auden said (again), "Evil is unspectacular and always human, and shares our bed and eats at our table." As a fellow Baptist, Jackie believed in justification by faith, but also believed that by our fruits we are known. Jackie believed that God gives us blessings to share with those in need of blessing. That is the meaning of true charity, an effort at which I fail every day. Even today she would be the first to tell us to get off our cynical butts and spread God's love. If Christ had counted the cost, or if he had given His life for only those who deserved it, we would all be lost.   I shall miss Jackie, her missionary zeal, her common sense, her gorgeous hats, her impeccable taste in clothes, her advice, her friendship, her shining example - her Christianity.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Re: Rinck's "Rondo for a Flute stop". From: "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:07:28 -0400   I have the Rinck "Rondo" as part of "Rink's Practical Organ School, carefully revised: with the German directions and terms translated into English and the pedal part printed on a separate staff," edited by W.T. Best, published by Novello, date unknown. This is hard bound book, 214 large pages 10 by 14. The "Rondo" is part of the "Flute Concerto," number 182 in this book. The whole concerto consists of 16 pages; movements are "Allegro maestoso," "Adagio," and "Rondo." The opus 55 applies to the entire method book, not just the concerto.   Note: "Rinck" is spelled "Rink" in the edition I have, and W.T. Best is not, as far as know, in any way related to me.   Steve Best in Utica, NY   BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 9/27/04 4:18:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > jmdkimo@yahoo.com writes: > >> I am most intrigued! An interlibrary loan database >> search reveals no listing for a "Rondo for a Flute >> stop". I would greatly appreciate any information as >> to a possible source. > > > > i have a set of LPs that i bought in the mid-1970s, and that's how the > piece is labeled. however, corliss arnold lists it as "Rondo (from > Concerto for a Flute Stop)." It was published by h.w. gray, in > "historical recitals 38, 1925." > > the Floten-concert for Organ, Op. 55, was published by forberg, 1976. > > the rondo is not lifted verbatim from the concerto. rather, it was > kinda "built" from snippets here & there. funny thing is, i find it > more interesting than the concerto. however, the concerto has a nice > cadenza at the end which doesn't appear in the rondo. > > the rondo makes a cute little filler, but it does require some manual > dexterity. the pedal part is sightreadable. > > scot