PipeChat Digest #5251 - Sunday, April 3, 2005
 
RE: A/S Opus 1062, St. Bernard's R.C. Church, Mt Lebanon, PA
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
Re: Fw:      Building and playing are inseparable
  by <Seedlac@aol.com>
Re: A crash course,  please
  by "Jerry Richer" <jerry@ChirpingBat.Com>
Re: whom would you choose?
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Strange (alleged) Pipechat messages
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
Re: whom would you choose?
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
RE: Krebs on Trost, hold the piccolo
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Recording Organs, etc...
  by "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net>
Re: Strange (alleged) Pipechat messages
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Hector Olivera to play at Methuen Mass on April 17th
  by "Charlie Jack" <Charlie@Jack.NET>
Bagpipe grace notes
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Wedding fees
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
RE: Bagpipe grace notes
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Bagpipe grace notes
  by <mcheg101@comcast.net>
Re: Krebs.....
  by <Justinhartz@aol.com>
RE: Bagpipe grace notes
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Krebs on Trost, hold the piccolo
  by "Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug" <cdkrug@worldnet.att.net>
Re: Wedding fees
  by "Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug" <cdkrug@worldnet.att.net>
Re: Recording Organs, etc...
  by "Scott A Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com>
Ribbons & cats: What on EARTH does this have to do with Krebs???
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: Wedding fees
  by <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com>
Re: Wedding fees
  by "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: RE: A/S Opus 1062, St. Bernard's R.C. Church, Mt Lebanon, PA From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 08:17:26 -0400   > That organ was never built? > > Michael   Apparently not. St. B's has a Casavant. The parish reportedly has 10,000 = members, nine masses a weekend (some simul upstairs and down,) and two full-time organists. Mt. = Lebo is a southern suburb of Pittsburgh.   Stan Yoder The Burgh  
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Building and playing are inseparable From: <Seedlac@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 09:08:48 EDT   As a slight variation on this thread, I find that organist-bulders have a different slant on tonal design from singer-builders. While I am familiar = with much of the organ literature, my background is as a singer in church = choirs. I have noticed that many builders are not singers and their organs often = reflect a lack of stops that would be desired to accompany a choir. Steve Baltimore  
(back) Subject: Re: A crash course, please From: "Jerry Richer" <jerry@ChirpingBat.Com> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 10:45:34 -0400   Nathan! Sony makes a few very good stereo condenser mics with eighth inch stereo phone plugs starting at $99.95. One of these microphones = makes for an easy, unobtrusive setup. It's what I often use with my Sony MZB100 MiniDisk. Chirp|Chirp|Chirp: It's the Bat, Chirping Bat .Com    
(back) Subject: Re: whom would you choose? From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:03:54 -0400   Oh yes, Greg. Absolutely positively yes. No one goes home bored. I might ask him to leave his Roland at home, though. I'd love to hear him play at St. Bernard's here in Mt. Lebanon. ;-)   -WG   >walterg@nauticom.net writes: > > > >>> Hector Olivera, in that order. >>> >>> (Now managed by Torrence.) >>> >>> -WG >>> >> >> > >NO!!!! > >Gregory Ceurvorst >    
(back) Subject: Strange (alleged) Pipechat messages From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:19:22 -0400   I've been getting, at least daily, messages supposedly from Pipechat. The = latest, at the moment:   Subject: Re: [that's all, just "re:"]   Message: >Predators   Attachment: Fish.cpl   I trash these immediately.   Is it known that someone has purloined the Pipechat address list and is = sending out this stuff?   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: whom would you choose? From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:33:38 -0400   On reflection, I realize that my previous comment might be taken the wrong way. You all know by now that, for better or worse, I am the last person on this list likely to be snobbish about electronics. What Hector does with his Roland Atelier is nothing short of incredible, and I love it. But the original question was something like "Who would you choose, from all the organists living in the USA, to play a recital at a venue in Chicago, with the hope of generating great interest among the public." I presume the venue in question has a great pipe organ. In my opinion, Hector's true genius comes into the sharpest possible focus when he plays a fine pipe organ, and especially when he improvises on a fine pipe organ. And there is no organist alive today, on either side of the Atlantic, who is better at exciting the public than Hector Olivera.   -WG        
(back) Subject: RE: Krebs on Trost, hold the piccolo From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 12:45:07 -0500   She's fine, no worse for wear. Those Siamese are mean.   She's sniffling and sneezing - has allergies just like me. When I'm sneezing, she's sneezing.   We've thrown away all the kitty ribbons.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com            
(back) Subject: Recording Organs, etc... From: "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 14:01:01 -0400   Dear list,   Thanks for all of the replies, both public and private. My goal is not to have a perfect studio recording, but a recording that is decent enough (with enough gain) to pick up all that the organ has to offer, from Echo Dulcet to Sforzando. I'd like to minimize the amount of stuff I lug around as a compensation for the drop in audio quality.   I'd like to be able to just record a little on each organ I visit or work on, and maintain an audio record of my organ travels.   I am interested in the prospect of recording with my IBook, it's a 1.2 ghz G4 model running the Panther OS. I've just switched back to the Mac after 12 years with Windows machines, so I am completely out of the loop as far as Macs go - what is the going audio recording program for the Mac these days? I used to use CoolEdit for the PC, so I guess something similar for the Mac would be great.   As far as mics go, I get the impression that a good condenser mic (or pair of them) is the way to go?   Thanks!!!!!   - Nate    
(back) Subject: Re: Strange (alleged) Pipechat messages From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 13:03:31 -0500   At 1:19 PM -0400 4/3/05, Stan Yoder wrote: >I've been getting, at least daily, messages supposedly from >Pipechat. The latest, at the moment: > >Subject: Re: [that's all, just "re:"] > >Message: >Predators > >Attachment: Fish.cpl > >I trash these immediately. > >Is it known that someone has purloined the Pipechat address list and >is sending out this stuff? > >Stan Yoder >Pittsburgh   Someone has a virus on their computer that is going through their address book and sending itself out using various addresses in the address book. I am going to guess that both your address and the PipeChat address are in the infected computer's address book.   Unless people are more careful and avoid opening unknown email attachments this will continue happening. Also EVERYONE that uses their computer on the Internet NEEDS to have up to date anti-virus software running at all times   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Hector Olivera to play at Methuen Mass on April 17th From: "Charlie Jack" <Charlie@Jack.NET> Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 15:28:19 -0400   Hector Olivera will play a memorial concert to the late Berj Zamkochian on the great organ at the Methuen Memorial Music Hall in Methuen Mass. on Sunday April 17th at 3pm. The program will feature music of Vierne, Bach, Liszt as well as an improvisation on a submitted theme. For further information or to order tickets in advance go to www.GomidasOrgan.ORG and click on the Memorial Concert button. The hall only seats 350 so advance tickets are advisable. -- Charlie Jack Charlie@Jack.NET  
(back) Subject: Bagpipe grace notes From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 16:29:59 -0400   I had to run back to church this afternoon to play for a funeral, and Amazing Grace was on the menu. I sometimes pull up whatever 8' Buzzpfiefe happens to be available and play an introduction using my best imitation of a Scottish piper, but I figure my grace notes are probably laughable to anyone in the know. Does anyone have any advice on playing bagpipe grace notes in an authentic manner.   Yes, I already know the first two obvious answers are 1) Don't and 2) Hire a piper, so no need to go there.   -WG        
(back) Subject: Wedding fees From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 16:38:00 -0400   Since another spring is here, I thought I'd ask what folks are charging for weddings this year. Do you charge extra in the case of the bride/bride's mother who submits a huge list of obscure musical selections, with explicit demands as to instrumentation, tempo, articulation, and registration?   -WG        
(back) Subject: RE: Bagpipe grace notes From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 09:31:00 +1200   >I had to run back to church this afternoon to play for a funeral, and Amazing Grace was on the menu. I sometimes pull up whatever 8' Buzzpfiefe happens to be available and play an introduction using my best imitation of a Scottish piper, but I figure my grace notes are probably laughable to anyone in the know. Does anyone have any advice on playing bagpipe grace notes in an authentic manner. Yes, I already know the first two obvious answers are 1) Don't and 2) Hire a piper, so no need to go there.   Hi,   I've been a piper since 1955 and an organist since 1958, so may be able to help you. Perhaps contact me off-List.   Ross (in New Zealand)    
(back) Subject: Re: Bagpipe grace notes From: <mcheg101@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 21:30:35 +0000   wear a kilt! (I'm sure Ross can advise on this as well!)   : )   M   --   On Apr 3, 2005, at 1:29 PM, Walter Greenwood wrote:   I had to run back to church this afternoon to play for a funeral, and = Amazing Grace was on the menu. I sometimes pull up whatever 8' Buzzpfiefe = happens to be available and play an introduction using my best imitation = of a Scottish piper, but I figure my grace notes are probably laughable to = anyone in the know. Does anyone have any advice on playing bagpipe grace = notes in an authentic manner.   Yes, I already know the first two obvious answers are 1) Don't and 2) Hire = a piper, so no need to go there.   -WG         ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>      
(back) Subject: Re: Krebs..... From: <Justinhartz@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 17:41:51 EDT   Dear Glenda, When I was little, my family had a blue point Siamese who did a = similar thing with the tinsel from the Christmas tree. She recovered just fine. Hope your friend has similar luck.   Justin  
(back) Subject: RE: Bagpipe grace notes From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:09:57 +1200   Subject: Re: Bagpipe grace notes wear a kilt! (I'm sure Ross can advise on this as well!) : )   >I had to run back to church this afternoon to play for a funeral, and Amazing Grace was on the menu. I sometimes pull up whatever 8' Buzzpfiefe happens to be available and play an introduction using my best imitation = of a Scottish piper, but I figure my grace notes are probably laughable to anyone in the know. Does anyone have any advice on playing bagpipe grace notes in an authentic manner.   I've never tried to imitate the pipes on the organ for this hymntune. It = was made enormously popular by the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards on their 7" ep = way back years ago, but as it is indeed a hymntune it seems appropriate to = play it as one and without any grace notes or extra notes that are on the recording and in many people's sung versions these days. So, I play it on = a Principal chorus or, if it has to be played quietly, on 8 & 4 flutes.   If people really do want to know about bagpipe gracenotes and doublings, I can certainly help out there.   As for wearing the kilt, the best advice is: 1. do wear it 2. don't be ashamed of it   There are two standard responses to the question "What's worn under the kilt?" 1. Nothing, laddie, it's all in perfect working order. 2. Give me your hand, I'm a man of few words.   In my experience of wearing the kilt a lot since 1955 (heck, that's 50 = years ago!!!), women consistently love a man to wear the kilt: be those women little girls, teenagers, or women in their "less-young" years. I've never had anyone scoff except for a couple of teenage boys at Uig, Isle of Skye, in 1992. When I threatened to get some pipes and play them a piobaireachd they took to their heels. :-) Too, men don't laugh at the kilt and a number have told me they wish they had the "courage". I put that word in " = " marks as, to me, it'd take a mighty deal more courage to wear the things a lot of the young people do these days. Why wear the kilt anyway? Well, = it's infinitely more comfortable than trousers, it's far warmer, it's much cheaper than trousers in the long run 9a good kilt will last ten years or so), it's infinitely more colourful than drab denims or grey trousers, it indicates a sense of cultural and historical heritage. All that and more.   To return to playing pipe music, real or supposed, on the organ, I'd strongly recommend people to play the music straight if it is indeed pipe music, and not to attempt the grace notes or the tones of the pipes. Too, although slow airs and simple marches may work on the organ, and some retreats as well, other tunes like jigs, strathspeys, reels and hornpipes just don't work at all. Do on the pipes what the pipes do best. Do on the organ what the organ does best.   Ross      
(back) Subject: Re: Krebs on Trost, hold the piccolo From: "Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug" <cdkrug@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 18:36:28 -0400   On Sun, Apr 03, 2005 at 12:45:07PM -0500, Glenda wrote: > She's fine, no worse for wear. Those Siamese are mean. > > She's sniffling and sneezing - has allergies just like me. When I'm > sneezing, she's sneezing. > > We've thrown away all the kitty ribbons. >   Good to hear.    
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding fees From: "Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug" <cdkrug@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 18:48:19 -0400   On Sun, Apr 03, 2005 at 04:38:00PM -0400, Walter Greenwood wrote: > Since another spring is here, I thought I'd ask what folks are charging > for weddings this year. Do you charge extra in the case of the > bride/bride's mother who submits a huge list of obscure musical > selections, with explicit demands as to instrumentation, tempo, > articulation, and registration? >   The very BEST situation I ever had was the Presbyterians the next town over. They said, "The organist gets $x. A soloist who sings one song gets $y, with each additional song $z. Additional instrumentalists are $w for up to three pieces."   "Oh my Aunt Mary will be singing 'O Promise Me'"   "Fine. We'll need her Social Security number so we can issue her a 1099 form."   The bride's family wrote ONE check to the church before rehearsal and the church NEVER negotiated the flat fee schedule (though the building fee was less and the clergy fee waived for brides who were current active members, but it required a vote of the Session).   The worst? "Oh . . . we have to pay YOU?"    
(back) Subject: Re: Recording Organs, etc... From: "Scott A Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:04:07 -0700 (PDT)   I have a DAT recorder, a minidisc recorder, pre-amp, and two Behringer b-5 = mics. There are the best for under 100 bucks. They record down to 20 = cycles, which is about 32' F I believe. NIce Nice stuff. The McKinley = recital on my webpage is recorded with these new mics, if you care to = listen. Ebay is a great place to look for this stuff. Also, check out zzounds.com Hoep this helps.     Nathan Smith <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Dear list,   Thanks for all of the replies, both public and private. My goal is not to have a perfect studio recording, but a recording that is decent enough (with enough gain) to pick up all that the organ has to offer, from Echo Dulcet to Sforzando. I'd like to minimize the amount of stuff I lug around as a compensation for the drop in audio quality.   I'd like to be able to just record a little on each organ I visit or work on, and maintain an audio record of my organ travels.   I am interested in the prospect of recording with my IBook, it's a 1.2 ghz G4 model running the Panther OS. I've just switched back to the Mac after 12 years with Windows machines, so I am completely out of the loop as far as Macs go - what is the going audio recording program for the Mac these days? I used to use CoolEdit for the PC, so I guess something similar for the Mac would be great.   As far as mics go, I get the impression that a good condenser mic (or pair of them) is the way to go?   Thanks!!!!!   - Nate     ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe:       Scott Montgomery 619 W Church St Champaign, IL 61820 217-390-0158 www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net  
(back) Subject: Ribbons & cats: What on EARTH does this have to do with Krebs??? From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 18:54:48 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)   Glenda wrote us about the cat's episode with the ribbons.   Likewise, I'm glad that the cat will be fine.   No offense intended towards Glenda or her feline, (and "malice towards = none" -that's a famous line by someone -Lincoln??) But I DO HAVE to ask: what on EARTH does this have to do with Krebs???   Perhaps a little more "attention to detail" when it comes to the subject line would be an appropriate request. . .   Sincerely,   Richard Schneider  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding fees From: <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 20:05:50 EDT   I have a base fee of $250 which includes a rehearsal and a telephone consultation. When I"m engaged, I inform them that my fee comes with 1 = hour for rehearsal, and we should start on time, etc. On the phone, at our = consultation, we can usually talk through stuff suffiiciently, but if they want to meet = me at the church (and it's my church), they need to come when I'm there (I'm part-time), but if they want a special time with me, it's $50 an hour. I = rehearse with soloists before the rehearsal or before the wedding. I don't = rehearse extra with soloists, and I always ask the singer, "do you know the music, = and have it in my key?" I am one of the organists for a wedding service company here in Nashville. = They call me for the "big stuff" which usually means the Widor Toccata, = etc. There is a music coordinator from this service and he knows what I do, can = do, and will do, so there is little problem with that. At this point in my career, there are very few hassles about weddings, = etc. We don't do pop music in the service. If the singer uses an accompaniment = c.d. to a contemporary christian song, it's o.k. with me since usually that accompaniment is better than I can do on the piano or the organ (and I = don't have to learn a piece for just 1 time). Yours, Darryl by the Sea Nashville, TN  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding fees From: "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 01:07:59 +0100   Standard fee - for a standard service ... =A340   From there on, everything else is chargeable - on a professional basis. i.e., I don't get to accompany bride's mother singing i) without I audition her first ii) we discuss tempii, etc (and she'd better have good artistic reasons = for questioning my choice) iii) we rehearse and like I said, all time and travel is chargeable, for when I'm free.   Someone else plays - I still get my fee.   The music is recorded / video'd - double the fee or I claim recording copyright.   "It's a tough old world out there"   Harry Grove [a.k.a. a tough old (professional) musicman]   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 9:38 PM Subject: Wedding fees     > Since another spring is here, I thought I'd ask what folks are charging > for weddings this year. Do you charge extra in the case of the > bride/bride's mother who submits a huge list of obscure musical > selections, with explicit demands as to instrumentation, tempo, > articulation, and registration?