PipeChat Digest #5252 - Monday, April 4, 2005 Re: Wedding fees by <ScottFop@aol.com> Whom would you choose? by "Richard Schneider" <email@example.com> Re: whom would you choose? by "David Scambler" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Bagpipe grace notes by <Justinhartz@aol.com> Re: Wedding fees by <Justinhartz@aol.com> Re: Wedding fees by <ScottFop@aol.com>
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding fees From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 23:46:35 EDT In a message dated 4/3/05 8:06:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, DarrylbytheSea@aol.com writes: I have a base fee of $250 which includes a rehearsal and a telephone consultation. When I'm engaged, I inform them that my fee comes with 1 = hour for rehearsal, and we should start on time, etc. On the phone, at our = consultation, we can usually talk through stuff sufficiently, but if they want to meet = me at the church (and it's my church), they need to come when I'm there (I'm part-time), but if they want a special time with me, it's $50 an hour. My fee schedule follow Darryl's exactly, except that I do not do = rehearsals. My thinking is on two lines here: 1) my being at the rehearsal prolongs = it, and the clergy don't want music in the first place and 2) I know my = part and don't need to practice the same music over and over. The fees for additional musicians are as follows: Cantors/soloists get $50.00 for a Ceremony ONLY (including responsorial psalm, gospel acclamation and one solo) and $100 for a full mass with = Ordinaries and service music listed above. * * * this is not MY policy, it was set in place before I arrived and the = current Pastor is unwilling to bend. The cantors are less than thrilled = with it, and I explain this to most wedding couples in light of the fact that soloists all over town are bringing in greater compensation. In most = instances the family has made up the difference to the cantor/soloist as a tip. Instrumentalists, being free agents, can generally charge and get what = they want. Good trumpet players generally go for $150, bagpipers $100-150 and = harps, as we all know, much more because they can get it. String = quartets and brass quartets are of course the really premium options and cost the = biggest dollars. I rehearse with soloists before the rehearsal or before the wedding. I = don't rehearse extra with soloists, and I always ask the singer, "do you know = the music, and have it in my key?" I will rehearse with soloists and instrumentalists more in a warm-up capacity before the ceremony. If they want additional rehearsals it's = $25 per hour and I run the show, not the mother of the bride. Regarding their knowing = music in "my" key, I am flexible on that as I can transpose rather easily = and mostly at sight. I am one of the organists for a wedding service company here in = Nashville. They call me for the "big stuff" which usually means the Widor Toccata, = etc. There is a music coordinator from this service and he knows what I do, = can do, and will do, so there is little problem with that. I think that, along those lines, a rather air-tight music policy backed = by the clergy comes in handy as well. Too many brides and their mothers, = and even some grooms I have run across, think that because they are paying = fees that they have rented the VFW hall and can do whatever they want. Thankfully, = most have some semblance of a church wedding and the fact that they are = holding their ceremony in a religious house of worship. Of course, there are = always those others who have no clue whatsoever and still want "The Wedding = Song" my Paul Stookey. Yuk. At this point in my career, there are very few hassles about weddings, = etc. We don't do pop music in the service. If the singer uses an accompaniment = c.d. to a contemporary Christian song, it's o.k. with me since usually = that accompaniment is better than I can do on the piano or the organ (and I = don't have to learn a piece for just 1 time). Well, I don't allow contemporary Christian/pop music at weddings in my church, and taped?cd accompaniments are forbidden by parish policy. In = the very rare occasion that a bride (or the ever present mother) has insisted on a = certain song that really didn't sit well with me because they were = inappropriate for a solemn church wedding, and they exhausted every avenue in going to = the pastor and associates and even threats to the Parish Council, I have told = them to bring in their own musician and that I was unavailable. In order = to do that they still had to pay my full fee. 9 times out of 10 they backed = down and used me, but there have been two or three weddings through the years = that I didn't play an still collected my full fee. Darryl's wedding service colleagues sounds like an ideal situation. I = wish that more of us could have such instead of having to dig our heels in at = our own Parishes, but, again- most are reasonable and are actually open to learning protocol and following policy. -Scott Scott F. Foppiano Organist and Director of Parish Music Holy Rosary Catholic Church, Memphis, TN In te Domine speravi, non confundar in aeternum.
(back) Subject: Whom would you choose? From: "Richard Schneider" <email@example.com> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 18:56:22 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) I noticed that no one at all has mentioned the name of Frederick Hohman? Any particular reason why not? He's "da man" when it comes to performing transcriptions. . . Faithfully, Richard Schneider
(back) Subject: Re: whom would you choose? From: "David Scambler" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 14:07:40 +1000 I guess I'm biased, being from down under, but I would include Thomas Heywood in my top 10. www.concertorgan.com dave
(back) Subject: Re: Bagpipe grace notes From: <Justinhartz@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:49:54 EDT Are you trying to immitate a good or a bad piper? If it is the later, it helps if the high note of "Amazing Grace" is tuned rather flat :) Justin P.S. The same holds true for "Scotland the Brave".
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding fees From: <Justinhartz@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 01:04:01 EDT $300.00 - includes consultation with the bride and groom. No rehearsal. $100.00 additional - if I'm required to attend the rehearsal. If you think this is expensive - Consider what the DJ, Videographer, Wedding consultant etc. charge... The florist doen't give away flowers, nor does the baker bake the cake = for free. Check AGO and AAM guidlines for additional rehearsals for non standard = music and rehearsal time with guest musicians. Hope this helps. Justin
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding fees From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 01:14:07 EDT In a message dated 4/4/05 1:04:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Justinhartz@aol.com writes: $300.00 - includes consultation with the bride and groom. No rehearsal. $100.00 additional - if I'm required to attend the rehearsal. I had forgotten in my previous post that I, too, charge $100 if they = insist I play the rehearsal. And it's to be paid cash prior to the actual = rehearsal. If you think this is expensive - Consider what the DJ, Videographer, Wedding consultant etc. charge... The florist doesn't give away = flowers, nor does the baker bake the cake for free. AMEN! Justin brings up some excellent points here! And also the = reception hall and photographer. I know for a fact that most photographers in = Memphis and in Detroit where I formerly lived, by the time it's said and done = from the first photo to the completed wedding album, make about $2500 MINIMUM. = (And they complain about $300 for the organist AND soloist combined???) Priorities, people, and our culture in recent years, ya know? I will not start on about photographers and the way most of them come in, = take over and act in general. That doesn't belong on this list of = course, but I have had more than one run in with photographers. In fact, in Nov 2003 = I literally almost got into a fist fight with one arrogant, sarcastic young = photographer in my cassock and surplice! He pushed beyond what any other = photographer ever has and then challenged me verbally in the Narthex of = the church. (Needless to say the choir gallery door was locked for that one.) Ah, = ain't life grand? Check AGO and AAM guidelines for additional rehearsals for non standard music and rehearsal time with guest musicians. Right, but one also needs to be realistic concerning what's requested and = actually requested as well I think. Some of these brides and their ever-present mothers can be beyond challenging...and I honestly think I = am too nice sometimes. <sigh> Scott F. Foppiano Organist and Director of Parish Music Holy Rosary Catholic Church, Memphis, TN In te Domine speravi, non confundar in aeternum.