PipeChat Digest #5263 - Thursday, April 7, 2005
Re: Special Birthday Greetings
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: The Pope and Sacred Music
  by <RVScara@aol.com>
Re: Cantors and Organs
  by <RVScara@aol.com>
This week's SECOND mp3: Garth Edmundson (050406)
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net>
RE: hymn singing in dwindling congregations
  by "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net>
Re: Cantors and Organs
  by <SWF12262@aol.com>

(back) Subject: Re: Special Birthday Greetings From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:40:37 +0000   On 4/5/05 1:14 PM, "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> wrote:   > Bob Conway, a long time member of this list and one of the people behind > setting up the IRC chats many years ago, is celebrating his 80th = Birthday > today.   Oh, my goodness! That is wonderful. I've enjoyed Bob's posts like crazy for some years. I have the impression that he's a genuine gentleman. (If he's not, I'm STILL wishing him the best! har har)   Bob: MANY happy returns of the day. I'm delighted even just to KNOW of this wonderful event, and, like Tim and David, look forward to many more = of the same!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: The Pope and Sacred Music From: <RVScara@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:11:40 EDT   Dominic: Disagree. Someone belting out up front can become a show and a soloist. =   Interesting organ accompaniment can inspire and lead people to sing. Bob Scara rodgers1085@yahoo.com St Paul RC Burlington, NJ (Walker 3/96 digital)  
(back) Subject: Re: Cantors and Organs From: <RVScara@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:38:07 EDT   Monty: I don't use Cantors except for the Psalm, and the congregational signing = is fine without any Song Leader up front. I don't need the distraction of someone blasting away on the microphone and setting their own tempo. We had an organist help out taking one (the same) Mass each weekend. Singing was not too good at that Mass. That person left and I had to = pick it up. Singing picked up. Pastor and several members said it was because they = could follow me when I played the organ, but not the other organist! Style? Maybe. I try not to be boring in registrations and give them time to take = a breath once in a while. Bob Scara rodgers1085@yahoo.com St Paul RC Burlington, NJ (Walker 3/96 digital)  
(back) Subject: This week's SECOND mp3: Garth Edmundson (050406) From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 22:30:49 -0700   Garth Edmundson was an American composer who wrote 2 organ symphonies and a fair number of other works - suites, hymn arrangements, etc. This is the first movement of his 1st Organ Symphony, and it is entitled "Chaos and Prophecy"   ftp://diapason.dk/toccata/Edmundson,%20Garth/Edmundson%20-%20Symphony%201%2= 0mvt%201%20-%20Chaos%20and%20Prophecy.mp3   Enjoy!   -- Jonathan Orwig Evensong Music, Media and Graphics New Organ Music http://www.evensongmusic.net   As always, I remind you that the site where this file is located is a LEGAL repository of private recordings of organ music. The site's owner pays royalties based on the number of downloads, so the copyright owners are getting their fair share. Further information about this procedure can be obtained here:     http://toccata-duo.typepad.com/toccata/2005/02/index.html      
(back) Subject: RE: hymn singing in dwindling congregations From: "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 00:09:07 -0700   St. Peter's physical plant was designed and built when the membership was over 1000. The church did seat 500 at one time, but during the 70's many young families left because there was no children's or youth programs. Several years ago, the church was spruced up - the wall behind the altar = was faux painted in earth tones (it had been light blue,) several rows of pews were removed front and back, and an attractive dark red carpet runner and new needlepoint kneelers were installed. The building currently seats = about 300 - 350 can be accommodated at close quarters.   Our membership is about 200 individuals, and average attendance is about = 85, and that number includes the 8 a.m. said mass as well as the 10 a.m. = choral service. Quite often as many as 20 attend the early service.   When I returned as organist recently, I found the tempos on all music dreadfully slow, and the rector had been choosing the hymns and service music (apparently my successors did not have the interest in learning the art of putting together a complete musical service, but they were = certainly paid to do so!) Chip is a good singer - I love doing the sung service = with him - he chants beautifully, but his choices of music, which always good quality, sometimes includes too many unfamiliar choices and I've had many comments that we do too much unfamiliar music. One thing I have to do is = be sure and choose more things that are warhorses. When they know a hymn, = they can raise the roof!   I'm struggling to rebuild a choir after several quick turnovers. I've had three women and two men, but one of the men is absent more than present. = I had great news this week - Holly, who is a good soprano and who has choir directing experience has committed to the choir and so has another women with a good singing voice. So if I could get just one decent regular guy = so I'd have a pair, I could live with that for a while. Wish us luck.   After two months, I have them singing at better tempos, and now I need to honor the requests for more familiar music. They love the traditional = hymn tunes like Hyfrydol, Lobe den Herren, Azmon, Adoro te devote, CWM Rhonda, etc. They also like the c. 1900 gospel stuff.   +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Randy Terry Music Minister The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California      
(back) Subject: Re: Cantors and Organs From: <SWF12262@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 03:13:08 EDT   Dear Pipechatters, A properly trained and sensitive cantor can do much to foster = congregational singing in the Roman Catholic liturgy. Unfortunately, one finds many = more poorly trained and insensitive "followers of song" than true cantors. I = play for over 1,000 parishioners each weekend; about 400 attend our Choir = Mass. So, the other 600 or so sing at the three cantored Masses. I am blessed = with four cantors, three of whom came up through my children's choir program = from 4th. grade (currently ages 22, 20, and 19). They seem to know inherently =   when to back off and let the congregation carry the music. On the other = hand, if the hymn is not well known or the singing is weak, they step up to = support the worshippers who are singing. Our hymnody is mostly traditional -- = this Sunday we sing Thine Be The Glory (Judas Maccabeus); This Is the Feast (Festival Canticle); and Singers Sing and Trumpets Play (Christ ist = erstanden) as congregational hymns. I am called on to serve as cantor as well as organist on several occasions = -- usually funerals or weddings, and sometimes weekend Masses. I've found = that if I sing the initial phrase strongly on the congregational stuff, = they will usually pick it up. In the Roman Rite, we are still dealing with a strong cultural bias, even =   after all these years, in my opinion. After centuries of just following = what the choir or priest is doing in the missal (sort of like a libretto at = the opera) or praying some private devotion, there is still something of a reluctance to actively participate in the Mass. Add to that the = indifference of many who are there because they "have" to be, and congregational participation = can be somewhat underwhelming. [I've heard of those folks referred to as = "toilet Catholics" -- they go because they have to, not because they want to!] While I giggle and do appreciate that description, I fully realize that = my diverse congregation approaches the sacrifice of the Mass from many = different places, and from a wide variety of historical and cultural perspectives. = It is the duty of the music department to facilitate their participation in = worship -- to encourage and support them. But it is also the duty of the music department to recognize and to some state accommodate any limitations = they might have. After 17 years serving a church of the Roman Rite, I've come to conclusion = that the majority of places threw the baby out with the bath water in = their eagerness to comply with the standards of the Second Vatican Council. = Lounge singing is not necessarily what the average parishioner desires, nor is = it the goal of the church. Give the people good music and they will respond! = The music for any service of worship should, in my opinion, be different from = the mundane -- it is the idea of making something separate or set apart from = the every-day that is our recognition and designation of the holy. Just a few thoughts, Steve Steven Weyand Folkers Director of Music St. Lambert RC Church Skokie, IL