PipeChat Digest #5268 - Monday, April 11, 2005
 
I'm a celebrity corpse!  Get me out of here!
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Anglican Hymnal
  by "kosmiriam47" <kosmiriam47@yahoo.com>
Re: Calvary Baptist, NYC
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Toledo Peristyle Skinner in concert
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
Re: Calvary Baptist, NYC
  by "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Calvary Baptist, NYC
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
Re: ORGELBUCHLEIN AND THE LITURGICAL YEAR (x post)
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Calvary Baptist, NYC
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
To any list members in Austin
  by "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@charter.net>
Practice time in Europe
  by "Thomas Lee. Bailey" <tom@wsumc.com>
Re: funny stop names
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Hancock in Pittsburgh
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Re: Hancock in Pittsburgh
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: Looking for a NYC organists...K. Boutros?
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Calvary Baptist, NYC
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Calvary Baptist, NYC
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
today's music
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Orgelbuchlein.....
  by <Justinhartz@aol.com>
Organ and Trombone recital
  by <Justinhartz@aol.com>
Re: Orgelbuchlein.....
  by "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk>
RE: Orgelbuchlein.....
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
 

(back) Subject: I'm a celebrity corpse! Get me out of here! From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 04:04:35 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   I wonder if I told the story before, about the former MD of Wm.Hill & Son; Norman & Beard Ltd., here in the UK.   Frank was playing for a celebrity funeral in London, and using the tremulant, he noted that it produced a slight knocking noise. Being high up in a gallery, he decided to investigate the source of the noise and disappeared into the bowels of the instrument as the funeral rites progressed.   Once inside, he kept trying the tremulant, and making adjustments until the noise disappeared.   It was only when he re-emerged from inside the instrument, that he noticed that the family and assembled mourners were in a state of hysteria; thinking that the deceased was knocking on the coffin lid from within!! It was, apparently, a very resonant church.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK           --- Harry Grove <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> wrote: > Ever thought that the requested selection might have > been designed to > cove-up the knocking sound from within the coffin? > > "I'm not a corpse! GET ME OUT OF HERE!"       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250  
(back) Subject: Anglican Hymnal From: "kosmiriam47" <kosmiriam47@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 04:40:59 -0700 (PDT)   You may find this site helpful (formerly Church Hymnal Corporation.) http://www.churchpublishing.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=3Dprodcategories&Categ= oryID=3D11&SelCategory=3D11&category=3DHymnals%2FSongbooks%2FMusic%20Materi= als Sylvia Wall Dunedin, Florida       --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
(back) Subject: Re: Calvary Baptist, NYC From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 09:43:20 EDT   The Wicks/digital may have replaced an early computer Allen, but the Allen =   displaced one of the great organbuilding monuments of New York City, a = humongous four manual Welte with a roaring full English Swell and a seismic Pedal division down to two real 32' stops. Despite the room's lack of an = acoustic, it is still a shameful tragedy that such a magnificent pipe organ was relegated = to the scrap heap. Then again, Calvary replaces their organ lock, stock, and barrel every 35 years, so who knows what's next?   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Toledo Peristyle Skinner in concert From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 12:34:17 EDT   Greeting folks, If you log onto the Toledo Symphony website and click on the calendar on =   Apri 22 or 23, you will have ticket information for the first performance = of the E M Skinner organ in the Toledo Museum's Peristyle. On the 23rd a morning concert is advertised with a tour of the chambers mentioned also. Neat offer if I read things correctly. I also understand the emnphasis is on the younger folk, another great = idea. Stan Krider    
(back) Subject: Re: Calvary Baptist, NYC From: "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 12:14:17 -0500   Sebastian, you are absolutely correct.   The Allen replaced one of the last Welte-Tripp, "English classic type orchestral" organs.   I try not to think about the replacement of the Welte-Tripp. At the time it had a replacement 4 Manual Mohller console. It is too painful a memory, as I was employed at Calvary during those years as Radio engineer and remember the events too clearly. The seismic 32' Stops indeed would have registered on the scale, and reproduced quite well on open reel tape at 15 ips, using Neuman mics.   I have an article from 1931 American Organist, including stop list, commenting on the dedication of the Welte-Tripp on Jan. 4 (probably 1929 or 1930. The writer of the article, William H. Barnes commented quite favorably on the results of an 'English classic orchestral organ ensemble . . . with many chorus reeds and brilliant mixtures . . . in an acoustically dead, non Gothic building.' He liked it!   The Welte-Tripp was a 4-90-4380. These are some featured stops: Pedal 32' Untersatz 32' Bombarde 16' Bombarde 16' Diapason Diapason (Great) 16' Bourdon Leiblichgedeckt (Swell) 16' Contrabass 16' Gamba (Choir) Trumpet (Great) Posaune (Swell)   GREAT 16' Trumpet 8' Tromba 8" Chimes   GREAT 16' Trumpet 8' Tromba 8' Harp Vibraphone Chimes   Chimes sostenuto Harp sostenuto   Plus too much more to type. Lots of reeds, horns and strings. Photo of the original console shows 5 expression pedals. If I read it correctly, it says: Crescendos: G. S. C. L. Register   That was some beast!   To put things in perspective, a price proposal dated 1969 shows that to rebuild the entire instrument would have cost $44,400. (Just the price of some cars today, or a tank of gas!!!). As I recall, the replacement Allen cost much, much more. The rationale to go electronic may have been more features, supposed longer life expectancy, lower cost of maintenance/tuning/leathers, or immunity to city air pollution (which was a concern in the 60's). Now that time has passed, and we have history to look back on, the air quality improved greatly in NYC, the electronic is gone for whatever reason, the initial cost was greater, and there is a replacement cost 30 years later. This may be a good 'text book' example for going with pipes and maintaining what you already have.   According to the article, there was a 2nd Welte-Tripp in the chapel, probably a 2-M 14 Rank. Note says: "The Content is: V6, R6, S 14, B8, P438". (I am not sure what this exactly means.) The chapel organ was long gone by the time I arrived at Calvary in 1963.   Stuck in a Blizzard where the town is closed down! Reminiscing about the past, Churches are closed, so I'll entertain myself on my Wurlitzer at home.     David E     David Evangelides Colorado Springs, Colorado     -----Original Message----- From: TubaMagna@aol.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 09:43:20 EDT Subject: Re: Calvary Baptist, NYC   > The Wicks/digital may have replaced an early computer Allen, but the > Allen > displaced one of the great organbuilding monuments of New York City, a > humongous > four manual Welte with a roaring full English Swell and a seismic Pedal > division down to two real 32' stops. Despite the room's lack of an > acoustic, it is > still a shameful tragedy that such a magnificent pipe organ was > relegated to > the scrap heap. > > Sebastian M. Gluck > New York      
(back) Subject: Re: Calvary Baptist, NYC From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 13:27:34 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org>; <TubaMagna@aol.com> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:14 PM Subject: Re: Calvary Baptist, NYC     Note says: "The Content is: > V6, R6, S 14, B8, P438". (I am not sure what this exactly means.)   V6 would be 6 voices R6 would be 6 ranks S14 would be 14 stops and P438 would be 438 pipes but I'm not sure what B8 would be   The distinction between voices and ranks in an organ is that, for example, a three-rank Mixture might play on both Great and Pedal of a hypothetical organ. It would only count as one voice, but it would be two stops and three ranks. The Aeolian-Skinner organ in my church has 9 ranks, three ranks of which are a mixture and one rank of which is a 16' Pedal Bourdon with an 8' extension; it thus has 7 voices, 9 ranks and 8 stops.   John Speller      
(back) Subject: Re: ORGELBUCHLEIN AND THE LITURGICAL YEAR (x post) From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 13:33:09 -0500   Scott wrote:   > **This may be a rather unusual question, but does anyone have any > information as to which chorales in the Orgelbuchlein are supposed to > be played on specific Sundays of the Liturgical Year<>*. *Obviously I > have played many of these chorales for years and years, and it is > obvious when many of them are supposed to be played, at least > seasonally. (Ie: "Nun komm" for Advent I or Advent in general in > non-Liturgical churches, "In Dir" for New Year's, "Herr Gott nun > schleuss" for Epiphany, "Christ Lag" for Lent and Good Friday etc.)   Well, first, "Christ Lag in Todesbanden" is more properly for Easter, than for Good Friday.   > I have become very curious as to which specific chorales were meant to > be played on specific Sundays.     Two good starting points: both the Lutheran Book of Worship (LBW) available from Augsburg Fortress, and Lutheran Worship (LW) from Concordia have an index, entitled in the former, "Hymns for the Church Year", and in the latter, "Hymn of the day". These would be good places to start, LW being perhaps the better choice, as the German influence is less diluted by other Lutheran Traditions.   > While Bach's Lutheran Liturgical year was not an identical parallel > to the Roman Catholic or Anglican Liturgical years, there were and > are, none the less, very telling similarities.   Are you comparing the Pericope Bach used with the correct Roman Catholic one? I was taught recall, the pericope that was used in Bach's time was that of Luther's, and was substantially identical to the pre-Tridentine Roman Rite, and that most of the apparent differences between the Lutheran and Roman Catholic lections, originate with the Tridentine reforms. I've never verified this myself.   ns  
(back) Subject: Re: Calvary Baptist, NYC From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 15:25:54 EDT   Actually, some of the pipework from this Church is now in the Ocean Grove Organ, at least a rank or 2.   Neil B.  
(back) Subject: To any list members in Austin From: "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@charter.net> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:39:54 -0500   I hesitate to post this here, but here goes: In a few weeks my mother will be moving in with her new husband in Austin, and over Memorial Day weekend I will be going there to visit them both. The church he currently attends is traditional, but is a new church and doesn't have an organ of any kind. He is interested in hearing me play while I'm there and said he would try to find a church we could get into, but I thought I would check here and see if anyone had a nice pipe organ they'd be willing to share.   Moreover, I'm looking to see if anyone in Austin is taking a vacation and needs a sub organist for Memorial Day Sunday (May 29). I'm a degreed organist with lots of experience in a variety of church services, although I have much more protestant services under my belt than Catholic. I have recently turned in my freelance status and have been hired as organist for Third Baptist church in St. Louis. I'm a lousy cantor, and even worse when doing so while playing. I can wave my hands at choirs when required, though, and am a Texas native, if that helps. Brent Johnson ORGANLive - Music of the organ on demand http://www.organlive.com  
(back) Subject: Practice time in Europe From: "Thomas Lee. Bailey" <tom@wsumc.com> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:14:09 -0400   I have a Messiaen concert to play in Austria in May. I want to travel the week or so before in Germany. Does anyone know of a contact for a couple hours practice time in each of these cities, Munich, Berlin, and Prague? Thanks for your help. Tom Bailey =20 Thomas Lee Bailey - Director of Music=20 Washington Street United Methodist Church=20 115 S. Washington Street=20 Alexandria, VA 22314=20 Telephone: 703-836-4324=20 Fax: 703-836-8407=20 Email: tom@wsumc.com=20 Church Website: http://www.wsumc.com=20 Personal Website: http://www.thomasleebailey.com=20 =20  
(back) Subject: Re: funny stop names From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 16:18:38 +0000   On 4/10/05 1:31 AM, "Merry Foxworth" <m.foxworth@verizon.net> wrote:   > Here are specs for a Jewish organ: > > Not just good, but GREAT: >>> >>> Plotz 16' >>> Sitzfleisch 8' >>> Gefilltefloete 8' >>> Gevalt 8'   Oy, gevalt! I hope it's permissible. I found that list totally = HILARIOUS!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Hancock in Pittsburgh From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 20:40:03 -0400   This afternoon, in the 115th recital of the Pittsburgh Organ Artists Series, Gerre Hancock wowed us for most of two hours at the Calvary Episcopal Casavant. This fellow improvises like the damned wind.   The program:   Chorale in a - Franck P & F in e - Bruhns 3 of the Schubler Chorales (S646, S650, & S648) - Bach Canon, Chacony, and Fugue - Sowerby   Improvisation in 4 parts on submitted themes (Victimae Paschali, Veni Creator, Wesminster Abbey, and Aurelia) Sonata form Song form Scherzo Fugue and Finale     -WG        
(back) Subject: Re: Hancock in Pittsburgh From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:57:55 -0500   This is the exact program he played at St. David's Episcopal Church, Glenview, IL, on Sunday, October 20, 2002. I hope the improv was = different. :-)   Robert Lind--a strong believer in varied recital programming. I remember how, as college kids, we snickered at Robert Baker's recycling of one recital ad nauseam.   ----- Original Message ----- From: Walter Greenwood <walterg@nauticom.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 7:40 PM Subject: Hancock in Pittsburgh     > This afternoon, in the 115th recital of the Pittsburgh Organ Artists > Series, Gerre Hancock wowed us for most of two hours at the Calvary > Episcopal Casavant. This fellow improvises like the damned wind. > > The program: > > Chorale in a - Franck > P & F in e - Bruhns > 3 of the Schubler Chorales (S646, S650, & S648) - Bach > Canon, Chacony, and Fugue - Sowerby > > Improvisation in 4 parts on submitted themes (Victimae Paschali, Veni > Creator, Wesminster Abbey, and Aurelia) > Sonata form > Song form > Scherzo > Fugue and Finale    
(back) Subject: Re: Looking for a NYC organists...K. Boutros? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 20:20:09 +0000   On 4/9/05 7:41 PM, "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> wrote:   > On 4/9/05 6:19 PM, "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> wrote: >=20 >> Um...Sorry...Did'nt mean any harm in asking. >=20 > What? No harm done. You just inquired. >=20 > Calvary Baptist is essentially right across the street from Carnegie Hall= (for > whatever that=B9s worth). The downtown Calvary is NOT. But so what? I th= ink > each has its genuine credentials. I=B9ve never been =B3in=B2 either of them, b= ut > they=B9re both very likely worth visiting. >=20 > I DO wish I had more actual information to offer. I=B9d suggest some Googl= ing. > (But only for starters.) >=20 > Alan F >=20 >=20 >=20    
(back) Subject: Re: Calvary Baptist, NYC From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:00:41 +0000   Expressions such as   On 4/10/05 7:25 PM, "Innkawgneeto@cs.com" <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> wrote:   > some of the pipework from this Church   are not so clear as you intend them to be,   I realize, Neil, that it=B9s small confusion, but maybe it=B9s a sort-of important one.   Alan  
(back) Subject: Re: Calvary Baptist, NYC From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:20:02 EDT   Expressions such as   > some of the pipework from this Church > are not so clear as you intend them to be,   Ok let me rephrase...   at least 1 stop from the old Welte organ is now in the organ at Ocean = Grove, NJ. Gordon Turk used it, a very ethereal sound, on the piece I conducted = at the youth choir festival.   Is that better?   Neil  
(back) Subject: today's music From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:38:07 EDT   at westminster congregationa ucc, spokane:   prelude: for the beauty of the earth, arr. cathy derousse   anthems: come and see (can't remember who arranged it) for the beauty of the earth, david evans   hymns: now the green blade rises (noel nouvelet) the time was early evening (afton water) i want to be ready (i want to be ready)   postlude: prelude on terra beata, van denman thompson  
(back) Subject: Re: Orgelbuchlein..... From: <Justinhartz@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 00:56:56 EDT   Do you mean to tell us your first orgelbuchlein still has a COVER :)   By all means, use the blue Barenreiter edition. It is considered by = many to be the most "authentic" version yet published and the print is very = clear and easy to read.   I work for an Episcopal church, and many of the chorales are not = included in The Hymnal 1982. I'm not familiar with the new Roman hymnals so I don't =   know which chorales might be included there. My first Orgelbuchlein prelude was "Ich ruf zu dir". Since the Philadelphia Orchestra recorded a transcription of this, I went to my = organ lesson playing it on full strings. LOL! My teacher was amused.   Cheers, Justin  
(back) Subject: Organ and Trombone recital From: <Justinhartz@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 02:15:45 EDT   Dear Pipe Chatters, If you find yourself in Bucks County, Pennsylvania this coming weekend, please join us!   Justin         For Immediate Release     Brendan Hartz and Justin Hartz, brothers who are both Juilliard graduates, will present a joint organ and trombone recital at The = Episcopal Church of the Incarnation, Lower Makefield, Pennsylvania on Sunday, April 17 at four =   o'clock.   The program will include "Morceau Symphonique" for trombone and organ, =   composed by organist Alexander Guilmant as well as organ works by Felix Mendelssohn, Cesar Franck, and Percy Fletcher. On the lighter side will be = Arthur Pryor's trombone solo, "Thoughts of Love" as well as well as a few novelty =   selections from the age of the theater organ.   Justin Hartz is organist and choirmaster at the church. He is Dean of = the Central New Jersey Chapter of the American Guild of Organists and is an active recitalist. He also performs holiday music at Longwood Gardens.   Brendan Hartz teaches music in the Bordentown, New Jersey Regional = School District and is principal trombonist of Delaware Valley Philharmonic, Princeton Symphony, and the Orchestra Society of Philadelphia. He also = plays trombone with the Greater Trenton Symphony Orchestra.   The church's pipe organ is a fourteen rank instrument completed in = 2003 by New York organ builder Douglas Keilitz.   The church is located at 1505 Makefield Road, near the intersection of =   Makefield and Big Oak Roads.   A reception will follow the program. Suggested donation is $10.     Information -- Justin Hartz -- 215-321-6385 Justinhartz@aol.com Episcopal Church of the Incarnation -- 215-295-2259  
(back) Subject: Re: Orgelbuchlein..... From: "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:47:27 +0200   Justinhartz@aol.com wrote: > By all means, use the blue Barenreiter edition. It is considered by = many > to be the most "authentic" version yet published and the print is very = clear > and easy to read. The print is indeed quite clear, but it's too "computerish" to be really comfortable for my eyes. Breitkopf (blue, too!) is better in that respect. Of course, none of 'em reach the old Straube edition to its knees when it comes to visual beauty!   -- Beste helsing / Best wishes / Beste Gr=FC=DFe / Bestu kvedjur   Jarle Fagerheim   jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk www: http://jarle.moo.no  
(back) Subject: RE: Orgelbuchlein..... From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:58:34 +1200     >Breitkopf (blue, too!) is better in that respect. Of course, none of 'em reach the old Straube edition to its knees when it comes to visual beauty!   I'm not a professional musician, so will stick to the Novello edition that = I started with. There may be the odd bum note, opinions seem divided about that, but if you listen to recordings by well-known people, you can pick these up easily enough. Too, I never take the slightest note of that edition's dynamic markings - but try to suit the instrument and the = occasion with what I know of Bach's style and time. I find that once used to a particular edition, it's very hard for me to change.   Ross