PipeChat Digest #5285 - Friday, April 22, 2005
 
Re: French theatre organs
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
WurliTzer for French Music
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Most Progressive Denomination
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Free Admission to Rochester Wurlitzer April 23 concert (cross-posted)
  by "Kenneth Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com>
RE: Consoles
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
New Theatre Organ CDs Jelani Eddington and Rob Richards
  by "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org>
Malcolm Archer's Preces and Responses
  by "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com>
Carlo Curley
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
(no subject)
  by "Hell-Concerts@t-online.de" <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de>
7th Annual Marathon of French Organ Music
  by "Hell-Concerts@t-online.de" <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de>
7th Annual Marathon of French Organ Music
  by "Hell-Concerts@t-online.de" <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de>
Consoles
  by "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net>
Re: Hector...................
  by <Justinhartz@aol.com>
Music Of Steve Best:  Aria in D (mp3 available)
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net>
Re: Carlo Curley
  by "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
RE: Console (changes)
  by "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net>
Horseshoe Consoles
  by "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: French theatre organs From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:14:32 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   I felt sure that Sebastian would put me right about French antiquities....I recall that he KNOWS about the Vox Humana, and wrote about it not long ago.   I don't have a suitable organ on which to play much in the way of French Baroque music, so my knowledge of the genre is restricted.   However, I never suggested that we should regard the sounds I described as comparable to a French Baroque organ. For starters, the acoustic will be all wrong in a theatre!   I "think" we were discussing the relative merits of two very un-French instruments initially: something which applies equally to the UK. Apart from the very largest cathedral and concert organs, the only mutation normally found on a UK organ from c.1930 would have been a 12th.   OK, the derived unit mutations on a theatre organ are not the same as the original baroque French ranks....of course not....but they would come close enough to make the music a distinct possibility. In any event, most French organs are so hideously out of tune, the tuning argument is largely academic.   The suggestion that theatre organs do not have Diapason choruses is not quite correct. They have, sort of!   Virtually ALL theatre organs have some sort of Diapason, and they are usually extended upwards to at least 4ft pitch. Adding 2ft strings and whatever mutations there are to hand, doesn't seem to detract too much from the strict lack of a Diapason "chorus" as such; possibly because the top pipes of the strings are not particularly scratchy in tone, and the mutations, like many original baroque ones, are very flutey above the 2ft pitch, largely due to the dictates of the typically dead theatre acoustic. I would also point out, that with a critical ear, it is often possible to "compose" a Cornet combination using different units; thus getting a better and truer sound.   Also, in a Compton theatre organ, the only difference between it and a church organ, is the addition of traps, effects, and trems. Keep off them, and they sound like quite effective cathedral style instruments.   Of course, being in the UK, where there were always more Compton and Christie organs around, "OUR" French baroque simulations were possibly closer to the original than that which is possible on a Wurlitzer.   I stand by what I said however, because anything remotely French Baroque was almost an impossibility on most things built here in the UK before about 1960!!   OK, I'll stop banging my Bass Drum now!   Regards,   Colin MItchell UK         --- TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > The Voix Humaine was DEFINITELY part of the > French organ from the 16th > century onward.   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: WurliTzer for French Music From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:34:59 -0400   Dear Kip and Pipechatters,   There is a concert hall (acoustically splendid) in Worthing, on the south coast of England, which has a WurliTzer Organ, one which has grown as = parts of other unwanted WurliTzers have become available. There is a fine orchestra, once conducted by old friend Jan Cervenka, and orchestral concerts with Organ have been offered occasionally during the concert season. The Organ itself has a large fan base, and there have been solo Organ recitals from time to time. David Liddle, of London, before playing there on one occasion (of several), was told by a most famous UK = travelling virtuosa (No, not THAT one), "Turn off those tremulants, and you have the sound of a Cavaille-Coll!" Visions of San Sulpice were not immediately brought to mind, in listening to the recordings, but it's not an inappropriate sound either.   On closer reading of the orchestra's website, I might find some mention of =   the Organ. I failed to see it the first time through, but I did see, in = the long list of repertoire performed, both the Poulenc and the Saint-Saens.   Here, you will find the website of the orchestra: http://www.johnsgibbons.com/wsorch.htm   Here is the website for John Gibbons, the present conductor, who, I note, holds the FRCO Degree! http://www.johnsgibbons.com/   And here is the Website of David Liddle, who started it all: http://www.davidliddle.org/index.htm   Cheers to all,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 10:18 AM Subject: Re: Consoles [on-topic]     > What typical theater sounds are closer to authentic French Baroque than > the orchestral voices were? Now I am curious... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 12:18 AM > Subject: Re: Consoles [on-topic] > > >> Hello, >> >> I LOVE THEATRE ORGANS! >> >> I sort of play them too, but I never get chance to >> practise on one. Nevertheless, I've given a couple of >> public concerts on a 4/24 Wurlitzer. >> >> There's an interesting point about Wurlitzers. In the >> heyday of the typical orchstral organ, only a >> Wurlitzer could produce the right sort of sounds for >> French Baroque music!! >> >> Regards, >> >> Colin Mitchell UK      
(back) Subject: Re: Most Progressive Denomination From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:52:05 EDT   I originally wrote: "Other than the Unitarian-Universalists, every denomination has its faction of conservatives and liberals."   Emily replied: A small point. I can't speak about every denomination, but = UUs are one of the ones I'm familiar with and they certainly shouldn't be named as an exception. There is wide variation among their churches in terms of their relative alignment--or lack thereof--with traditional Christian roots.     I didn't really express myself clearly. Even the most traditional UU's are =   not "conservative" in terms of mainline Protestant denominations. They = would still fall as being pretty liberal in their thinking, even the UU's who = hold to the Christian side of their doctrines.     Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: Free Admission to Rochester Wurlitzer April 23 concert (cross-posted) From: "Kenneth Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:03:36 -0400   The Rochester Theater Organ Society welcomes Texas theater organist Danny Ray to his debut performance on our Wurlitzer 4/23. This event will take place at the NEW Auditorium Theatre, 885 East Main Street, Rochester, NY 14605 on Saturday evening, April 23 at 8 PM.   The RTOS Board has decided to offer FREE admission to all for this concert =   as a way of expressing our appreciation to the public for its strong = support since our founding in 1964. Ignore the original notice that listed tickets =   at $15 each for this event.   Please visit our website at either http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/ or http://RochesterTheaterOrganSociety.org for driving directions plus = pictures and much more information about the artist, the Society and our two Wurlitzers.   Please join us for a great evening of outstanding musical entertainment!   Submitted by: Ken Evans, RTOS Director (past-President) kevans1@rochester.rr.com      
(back) Subject: RE: Consoles From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:17:52 +1200     >The Woodstock Crgan Companies of Woodstock Ontario built hundreds of = organs   in the 1920'-1940's. The majority of them had horse shoe consoles with = roll tops. I've got 3 shells in storage!.   Ah yes. My small upright piano was made in the early 1930s by Karn of Woodstock, Ontario. A superb touch: very positive and direct but also = light. I've had not a single fault in the action since buying the piano in 1975. The treble is very warm and crisp, the mid-range lovely for Haydn, Mozart etc., but below 10 2/3 GGG the bass is not especially good at all.   Is Karn the same company as you referred to?   Ross    
(back) Subject: New Theatre Organ CDs Jelani Eddington and Rob Richards From: "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 18:21:23 -0400   New theatre organ CDs from Jelani Eddington and Rob Richards have been = added to the OHS Catalog and are described at the very bottom of the opening = page at http://www.ohscatalog.org    
(back) Subject: Malcolm Archer's Preces and Responses From: "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 16:26:08 -0700 (PDT)   Greetings all especially you anglicans out there: Does someone out there have a copy of Malcolm Archer's Preces and = Responses so you can look at it and talk to me? I would like to call you = on my nickel and ask about some missing text between "O Lord save the = state and mercifully hear us when we call upon thee" and "O Lord save thy = people and bless thine inheritance." Can explain when I call. Please let me know as soon as possible. Thanks!   Richard Hazelip   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: Carlo Curley From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 19:03:33 -0500   I came home after a very stressful day playing fax tag with another witch of an attorney. So imagine my shock when in perusing my e-mail I read:   "Carlo Curley, world-renowned concert organist, will be in the area for three events in May. He will be performing two concerts:   7 p.m. - Thursday, May 5th St. Dominic Catholic Church 4156 Burma Road Mobile   7 p.m. - Friday, May 6th Trinity United Methodist Church 403 Racetrack Road Ft. Walton Beach   On Saturday, May 7th at 10:00 a.m. he will be at Dollarhide's Music. He will be demonstrating the new Allen Quantum series organs. They have 4 distinct organs in the one console covering the stop families of American Classic, Neo-Baroque, French Romantic and English Cathedral. He will be discussing the tonal differences of these unique organ families as well as demonstrating their use with certain literature. I believe it should be interesting for all who would like to attend."   I never thought I'd be anywhere close enough to hear him live, and now here is my chance. Trinity Methodist is a rather small church for such a recital, and I have to get up early the next morning to drive to Atlanta for an organic weekend.   But how exciting!   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: From: "Hell-Concerts@t-online.de" <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 04:40:12 +0200   Dear listmembers and friends,   this is to announce the 7th Annual Marathon of French Organ Music at Grace United Methodist Church in Baltimore.   Hans-Friedrich Hell   GRACE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH CONCERT SERIES 7th Annual Marathon of French Organ Music   2:20 p.m. Marvin Mills Augustin Bari=E9(1883-1915) Symphonie, Op. 5 III. Adagio IV. Intermezzo V. Finale     2:40 p.m. John Walker Marcel Dupr=E9 (1886-1971) Prelude and Fugue in B Major, Op. 7, No. 1 C=E9sar Franck (1822-1890) Choral No. 1 in E Major     3:00 p.m. Kathie Metz, organ /Sally Tarr, piano Louis Vierne (1870-1893) Berceuse   Denis B=E9dard (b. 1950) Duet Suite for Organ and Piano Introduction . Fughetta Minuetto Romance Final   3:25 Donald Sutherland Gaspard Corrette (c.1691, d. before 1733) from the Mass on the Eighth Tone (1703) Gloria in Excelsis Pr=E9lude =E0 deux Choeurs Concert pour les Fl=FBtes Tierce en Taille Dialogue =E0 deux Choeurs   C=E9sar Franck (1822-1890) Fantaisie en la majeur 3:45 p.m. Kevin Clemens Eug=E8ne Gigout (1844-1925) Grand Choeur Dialogu=E9 Scherzo (from Dix Pi=E8ces) Toccata in b minor   4:10 p.m. Henry Lowe Charles Marie Widor (1845-1937 Symphonie Gothique, No. 9 Moderato Andante sostenuto Allegro     4:30 p.m. Bruce R. Eicher, Fred Markey Denis B=E9dard (b. 1950) Andantino   Trilogie (pour orgue quatre mains) I. Cort=E8ge II. R=E9verie III. Danse   4:50 p.m. Joy Bauer,organ / Barbara Schmitt, flute   Jehan Alain (1911-1940) Trois Mouvements pour Flute et Orgue Andante Allegro con grazia Allegro vivace adapted from the original (for flute and piano) by Marie-Claire Alain   Louis Marchand (1669-1732) Grand Dialogue     5:15 p.m. David Dasch   Louis Vierne (1870-1937) Clair de Lune C=E9sar Franck (1822-1890) Choral in b minor     5:35 p.m. Jason Kissel   Maurice Durufl=E9 (1902-1986) Pr=E9lude sur l=92introit de l=92Epiphanie = Fugue sur le th=E8me de carillon des heures de la Cath=E9drale de Soissons   Naji Hakim (b. 1955) Variations on Two Themes (1991)   6:00 p.m. Felix Hell   Charles Marie Widor (1844-1937) Symphony No. 5, Op. 42, 1 I. Allegro vivace Olivier Messiaen (1908-1992) Apparition de l=92=C9glise =C9ternelle Louis Vierne (1870-1937) Symphony No. 1 in d minor, Op. 14 Final     6:20 p.m. Len Langrick Jean Langlais (1907-1991) F=EAte Triptych, Op. 95 (1956) M=E9lodie Trio Final          
(back) Subject: 7th Annual Marathon of French Organ Music From: "Hell-Concerts@t-online.de" <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 04:43:23 +0200   Dear listmembers and friends,   this is to announce the 7th Annual Marathon of French Organ Music at Grace United Methodist Church in Baltimore.   Hans-Friedrich Hell   GRACE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH CONCERT SERIES 7th Annual Marathon of French Organ Music   2:20 p.m. Marvin Mills Augustin Bari=E9(1883-1915) Symphonie, Op. 5   III. Adagio   IV. Intermezzo V. Finale     2:40 p.m. John Walker Marcel Dupr=E9 (1886-1971) Prelude and Fugue in B Major, Op. 7, No. 1   C=E9sar Franck (1822-1890) Choral No. 1 in E Major       3:00 p.m. Kathie Metz, organ /Sally Tarr, piano Louis Vierne (1870-1893) Berceuse   Denis B=E9dard (b. 1950) Duet Suite for Organ and Piano   Introduction . Fughetta Minuetto Romance Final   3:25 Donald Sutherland Gaspard Corrette (c.1691, d. before 1733) from the Mass on the Eighth Tone (1703)   Gloria in Excelsis   Pr=E9lude =E0 deux Choeurs Concert pour les Fl=FBtes Tierce en Taille Dialogue =E0 deux Choeurs   C=E9sar Franck (1822-1890) Fantaisie en la majeur     3:45 p.m. Kevin Clemens Eug=E8ne Gigout (1844-1925) Grand Choeur Dialogu=E9   Scherzo (from Dix Pi=E8ces)   Toccata in b minor     4:10 p.m. Henry Lowe Charles Marie Widor (1845-1937 Symphonie Gothique, No. 9 Moderato     Andante sostenuto Allegro     4:30 p.m. Bruce R. Eicher, Fred Markey Denis B=E9dard (b. 1950) Andantino     Trilogie (pour orgue quatre mains)   I. Cort=E8ge   II. R=E9verie III. Danse     4:50 p.m. Joy Bauer,organ / Barbara Schmitt, flute   Jehan Alain (1911-1940) Trois Mouvements pour Flute et Orgue Andante Allegro con grazia Allegro vivace adapted from the original (for flute and piano) by Marie-Claire Alain   Louis Marchand (1669-1732) Grand Dialogue       5:15 p.m. David Dasch   Louis Vierne (1870-1937) Clair de Lune     C=E9sar Franck (1822-1890) Choral in b minor     5:35 p.m. Jason Kissel   Maurice Durufl=E9 (1902-1986) Pr=E9lude sur l=92introit de l=92Epiphanie   Fugue sur le th=E8me de carillon des heures de la Cath=E9drale de Soissons   Naji Hakim (b. 1955) Variations on Two Themes (1991)     6:00 p.m. Felix Hell   Charles Marie Widor (1844-1937) Symphony No. 5, Op. 42, 1   I. Allegro vivace     Olivier Messiaen (1908-1992) Apparition de l=92=C9glise =C9ternelle   Louis Vierne (1870-1937) Symphony No. 1 in d minor, Op. 14 Final         6:20 p.m. Len Langrick Jean Langlais (1907-1991) F=EAte     Triptych, Op. 95 (1956) M=E9lodie Trio Final      
(back) Subject: 7th Annual Marathon of French Organ Music From: "Hell-Concerts@t-online.de" <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 05:00:04 +0200   Dear list,   of course, it would have been nice, and helpful (btw), if I would have published a date. But, as I have undergone a severe diet, and lost about 40 lbs within the past 8 weeks, only ONE glas of a wonderful German Riesling had obviously taken over control :-)   Anyway, here is the date:   April 24, 2005, 2:20   Thanks to all for being merciful.   Cheers,   Hans-Friedrich Hell        
(back) Subject: Consoles From: "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 23:00:58 -0400   Dear List,   I suppose that one of the factors that limits the mass introduction of horseshoe consoles in Churches is the fear that the next organist will hate it. It bugs me when a console has been replaced and the console no longer looks and feels like the organ it controls (like an Austin console on a Skinner, or drawknob console on an Austin), just one of those funny things.   I think it would be fun to build a horseshoe console even so...   - Nate    
(back) Subject: Re: Hector................... From: <Justinhartz@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 00:36:38 EDT   Having played at Methuen, I'm surprised this spring broke and nobody from = the Andover Organ Company was attending the recital. They take excellent care = of that instrument.   Justin  
(back) Subject: Music Of Steve Best: Aria in D (mp3 available) From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 23:20:41 -0700   Hello friends,   you can now hear Steve's Aria in dm, the second mvt of his 2nd Suite   http://evensongmusic.net/audio/SBestAria2005.mp3 (8+mb) or http://evensongmusic.net/audio/LQ/SBestAria2005LQ.mp3 (1.35mb LQ for dail-up users)   for those of you who might have trouble with the above links, you can = access this link,   http://www.evensongmusic.net/bestorgan.html   which has all of Steve's music that I have recorded so far, plus some sample PDF pages for those who are more visually oriented :-)   Enjoy,   -- Jonathan Orwig Evensong Music, Media and Graphics New Organ Music http://www.evensongmusic.net    
(back) Subject: Re: Carlo Curley From: "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 07:52:56 +0100   It doesn't matter where you live - just ask for Allen's demo CD   That's if you can tell the difference between the stops.   It's terribly disappointing to read the "different specs." and see the = same 'line up' in each division. Now; if they could have got the names on the stops to change (in some electronic* or fibre-optic* fashion) when you selected each 'sound stage' = - then THAT would have been fun. (* This idea now copyright to musicman enterprises, and this copyright interdiction now in the public domain 22/04/05)   Yes; I know; we should be relying on our hearing alone; BUT, when we (as executants) come to a new instrument, the first (and vital) clue as to = what the instrument can 'do' is visual. We look at the stops. This either "inspires us or derides us" (i.e. turns us off).   You have (if seems, ..... 'allegedly', .... etc ....) to do an awful lot = of listening to overcome this initial prejudice that the 'good ol' "Quantum" series inspires.   And anyway; doesn't the word 'Quantum' mean .................... "The smallest amount of a physical quantity that can exist independently or that can be counted or measured ?"   Hardly the most generous of descriptions to give a product that is = supposed to demonstrate four essential and distinct differences .... I would have thought, .............. in my humble opinion.   However, enjoy Carlo. (I see that one of his 'touring' Allen's is up for sale)   Harry Grove [a.k.a. a musicman with Allen's CD in his PC] _________________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 1:03 AM Subject: Carlo Curley [snip]   > "Carlo Curley, world-renowned concert organist, will be in the area for > three events in May. He will be performing two concerts:   > I never thought I'd be anywhere close enough to hear him live, and now > here is my chance.   > But how exciting!    
(back) Subject: RE: Console (changes) From: "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 00:06:00 -0700   Ah, but don't you see, it also works in reverse. I had the new pipework = for St. Peter's built by Tommy Anderson, and I had everything else redone in something closer to what I've seen John Hendriksen done to "Skinnerize," = to quote him, a non-Skinner organ.   Thus, adding a real Aeolian-Skinner console to our instrument, although = the insides are all new, added a whole different dimension to playing the = organ. Playing from a Skinner console, regardless the make of organ, is much more satisfying than a plasticized Klann consolette!   Randy Terry :-)   -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Smith Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:01 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Consoles   It bugs me when a console has been replaced and the console no longer = looks and feels like the organ it controls (like an Austin console on a Skinner, or drawknob console on an Austin), just one of those funny things.          
(back) Subject: Horseshoe Consoles From: "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 00:15:59 -0700   I passed up an opportunity to purchase a beautiful horseshoe console from = an American "concert" type organ. It was solid oak, and beautifully carved with a roll-top, and nice ivory manuals. IV/ped and it was only $500.   Of course, the insides would have had to be replaced. At the time I discovered it, I did not need a console. It was made by Hillgreen-Lane = Co., whom I know nothing about, but they did build a nice console, and it had been well taken care of.   There was a single row of tabs for the four manual divisions and pedal in the curved bolster, and a smaller straight row of tabs for the = inter-manual couplers below. Other than the curved row of stop-keys, there was nothing = to suggest an overblown theatre-style console (which I LOVE in theatres!) It was very elegant and would have been very comfortable to play.   +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Randy Terry Music Minister The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California