PipeChat Digest #5288 - Sunday, April 24, 2005
 
Skinner Consoles
  by "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net>
Re: Carlo Curley
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Chageable stop-names
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Saint-Saens Oratorio de Noel (cross-pollinated)
  by "Robert Ehrhardt" <r_ehrh@bellsouth.net>
Re: Skinner Consoles
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Console aesthetics
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
The Mormon Tabernacle and Nidaros Cathedral organs featured this week on 
  by "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr>
(no subject)
  by "Dominic Scullion" <dominicscullion@email.com>
Re: Console aesthetics
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
Re: Console aesthetics
  by "Larry McGuire" <larry@duntarvie.f2s.com>
Re: Chageable stop-names
  by "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com>
Re: (no subject)
  by <Mh1Jc@aol.com>
Re: Chageable stop-names
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Chageable stop-names
  by "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com>
Toledo Peristyle's Skinner player/manual pipe organ
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
Re: (no subject)
  by <AGODRDANB@aol.com>
Harlem Gospel Choir in Lansdale PA
  by "Eric Gombert" <egombert@comcast.net>
Re: (no subject)
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis.jan@gmail.com>
 

(back) Subject: Skinner Consoles From: "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:52:19 -0400   >> I agree! Everybody has heard me say that my personal opinion was that the console (in mint working condition) should have been retained with the original organ and NOT replaced by an Allen console with many digital stops. >>   Ah yes. Skinner Consoles are highly developed and refined pieces of art. While Skinner mechanism may resemble other builders in that they are made from similar materials, the improvements that Mr. Skinner made to his actions are just plain clever. For instance, to keep the action from beating itself to death, all of Mr. Skinner's power pneumatics have adjustable internal check valves that stop the pneumatics, so they don't stop on the action, yanking it to death. Mr. Skinner's manual toggle touch is also a clever system, that has been made highly adjustable to compensate for atmospheric changes. All of the motors on a standard Skinner combination action are mounted on decks that can be removed with a few screws. The list goes on. Actually, one of the best aspects about Skinner organs in general, is that they were designed to be rebuilt. Austin and Casavant easily fall into that category as well.   E-P consoles were a source of pride among builders, especially for the builder who made the fastest and quietest combination action - Mr. Skinner's certainly qualifies for that. If there is a Skinner console out there, it can be rebuilt to work just like new. As long as there are sheep to skin, we can keep them going. They don't mind lightning storms or power surges either! (C;   I've designed, and am building an E-P combination action as we speak - it even has 5 "levels"!   Best,   Nate        
(back) Subject: Re: Carlo Curley From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:17:28 -0400   "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> wrote:   >It doesn't matter where you live - just ask for Allen's demo CD >That's if you can tell the difference between the stops. > The 4 suites need to be voiced separately, and in my experience they often need extensive voicing after installation to make them come alive. It is time well spent. There are several independent fellows who voice them for a fee, and do a splendid job. If you want to hear Allen's French sound, get the Naji Hakim recording.   >It's terribly disappointing to read the "different specs." and see the = same >'line up' in each division. > Yeah. That's an unfortunate restriction necessitated by static stopknob labeling.   >Now; if they could have got the names on the stops to change (in some >electronic* or fibre-optic* fashion) when you selected each 'sound stage' = - >then THAT would have been fun. >(* This idea now copyright to musicman enterprises, and this copyright >interdiction now in the public domain 22/04/05) > No dice. I already suggested that very idea 16 or 17 years ago!   >However, enjoy Carlo. (I see that one of his 'touring' Allen's is up for >sale) > His rather old MDS instrument is for sale by a dealer in the UK.        
(back) Subject: Chageable stop-names From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:40:55 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Harry Grove suggested some sort of "electronic" or fibre-optic device which would enable stop-names to be changed; especially on digital organs with multiple specs.   I could only think of liquid-crystal technology, but I'm sure there are other methods.   However, I always like to keep things elegant and simple, and the most obvious way of changing stop names, is to have sort of click-on stop name "cap" made from precision plastic. I am often impressed by the engineering accuracy of modern plastic components, and an interference fit between a "head cap" and a blank plastic stop-head would, I feel sure, be completely adequate.   Of course, if the name-cap itself is female, then there is the danger that it could be yanked off when drawing stops. The way around that, I suppose, is to have a male type of plastic cap, which pushes into a carefully designed circular slot.   Then the problem is, how to get the "head cap" out again, without resorting to tiny screwdrivers and things.   This is where my patent "nomenclator" comes into its own.........(it's actually a valve-grinding tool at three times the normal price and made in China)   Any other (better) ideas anyone?   Regards,   Colin MItchell UK       > "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> wrote: > > >Now; if they could have got the names on the stops > to change (in some > >electronic* or fibre-optic* fashion) when you > selected each 'sound stage' - > >then THAT would have been fun. > >(* This idea now copyright to musicman enterprises, > and this copyright > >interdiction now in the public domain 22/04/05)     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Saint-Saens Oratorio de Noel (cross-pollinated) From: "Robert Ehrhardt" <r_ehrh@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:18:50 -0500   There is this one on Cappricio CD Label: Catalog #: 10216 Performer: Ute Selbig, Elisabeth Wilke, Egbert Junghanns, Armin Ude, Annette Markert Conductor: Martin Fl=E4mig Orchestra/Ensemble: Dresden Kreuz Choir, Dresden Philharmonic Orchestra coupled with Mendelssohn Cantata "Von Himmel hoch" available from http://www.cdconnection.com and others.   Also, from one of my favorite places to find rare and unusual recordings, Berkshire Record Outlet, on the Scandinavian Classics label, only info given is "Vocal soloists & Bente Sorensen, organ w.Logumkloster Vocal Ensemble/ Mikkelsen." This one includes the Saint-Sa=EBns Fantasie for Harp, Op. 95 and the Faur=E9 "Cantique de Jean Racine." Best part is the price: $3.99! Check them out at http:// www.berkshirerecordoutlet.com   TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > Can any members of either of these lists recommend a fine recording = (if > one exists) of the Camille Saint-Saens Oratorio de Noel, opus 12? > I've heard snippets, and found them enjoyably listenable, if not > heavyweight, and would actually like to hear the work in its entirety = via a good > recording. (No, I'm not going to listen to it while setting the Seder = table, so > it's not an immediate thing, but any recommendations would be = appreciated). > > Sebastian M. Gluck > New York City > http://www.glucknewyork.com/ > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Skinner Consoles From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:29:14 -0400     On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:52:19 -0400 Nathan Smith <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> writes: > If there is a Skinner console > out there, it can be rebuilt to work just like new. As long as > there are sheep to skin, we can keep them going. They don't mind > lightning storms or power surges either! (C;     Nathan:   I absolutely agree.   One of my mentors, back in the 60's, was a semi-retired former console builder from EM Skinner. (Before that he worked at Hutchings!).   One thing he taught me, that I like to pass on to Skinner Console restorers, is how to make the spun-leather bushings found at all of the linkage joints.   If you don't know the secret, I will be happy to share it. It is a bit difficult to do by e-mail, but a combination of e-mail and phone call might work     Jim  
(back) Subject: Console aesthetics From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:24:52 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   I've never sat at an original Skinner console unfortunately, but here in the UK, I guess we have the equivalent in the comfortable, beautifully crafted consoles of Arthur Harrison, where quality exudes every seam and every piece of felt. Did anyone else ever fit a roller-blind which could be drawn down across the ivory keys to prevent yellowing, where glass console doors were fitted?   Like a Rolls-Royce, one almost expects a small cocktail cabinet with a cut glass decanter (or would that be decantor) and whisky tumblers inside.   Visually, the old Compton consoles were a delight, but I always found the lightweight plastic stops a bit disconcerting. On a large instrument, pressing piston 8 resulted in an almighty "clack" as the stops (on electric solenoids of some power) fairly shot out from the jambs. I always felt that any weakness anywhere, might result in real injury if a stop flew off!   However, for sheer aesthetics, I doubt that any builder here in the UK, has ever produced more beautiful looking consoles than the old Wm.Hill, Norman & Beard company circa.1960-75. I think they were the first (and only?) company ever to use square shaped thumb-pistons in the UK.   Of course, aesthetics are only skin-deep, but build quality is not. I'd wager a bet that, where they still exist in situ, and un-molested, every Arthur Harrison console will still work perfectly after 75 years or so AND with the original pedal and key springs still in place.   Nostalgia ain't what it used to be, but neither too are consoles, I suspect!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       --- Nathan Smith <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> wrote:     > Ah yes. Skinner Consoles are highly developed > and refined pieces of > art.   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: The Mormon Tabernacle and Nidaros Cathedral organs featured this week on Organs and Organists Online From: "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 20:26:32 +0300     We have four "5 Star attractions" on the New Addition to Organs and Organists online today : http://www.organsandorganistsonline.com/     Norwegian organist John-Eric Gundersen appears on the site for the first time, playing Jean Guillou's arrangement of Sergei Prokofiev's "Toccata" = on the Five Manual 206 stop Aeolian Skinner organ in the Mormon Tabernacle, Salt Lake City. This internationally renowned instrument can be heard here =   in all its glory, live in recital. John-Eric, who is currently studying = for his Master of Music degree with Professor Thomas Murray at Yale = University, has received excellent critical acclaim for his recent recitals = ".unmatched technique.electrifying music.audience friendly performance." and, ".a virtuosi display that focused on the musical performance and not the performer.brought the audience to their feet.stunning talent." . Last year =   he was placed first in the Carlene Neihart National Organ Competition in Kansas City. Thank you, Eric, for letting us have this recording.   Two photos of the Mormon Tabernacle organ taken by Lana Krakovskiy, host = of Organ Focus can be seen in the photo section of orgofftop:   http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop/lst?.dir=3D/organaut&.src= =3Dgr&.order=3D&.view=3Dt&.done=3Dhttp%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/The second = "first" of the week is a Video clip of Jon Kristian Fjellestadplaying = Norway's largest organ, the IV/102 Steinmeyer in Nidaros Cathedral.It is = quite short at 1.3 mb, but you get a good idea of the sound of = thisinstrument, and Jon Kristian's fine improvisational technique can be = seen toadmirable effect. This is the first time we have featured a video = clip andit is also the first time the Nidaros Cathedral IV/102 Steinmeyer = organ hasbeen heard on our site.In complete contrast to these exuberant = performances, we have a change ofmood in Samuel Barber's Adagio for = strings, played by David Lines on theIII/55 1969 Balcom & Vaughan Organ in = the First Presbyterian Church,Seattle. An envelopingly rich sound of = organ strings!Last but by no means least, Timothy Grenz is to be heard = playing Bach'sPrelude and Fugue in A minor (BWV 543), performed on the! III/40 HoltkampOrgan in a recent recital at The First Congregational UCC = in Eau Claire,Wisconsin. Another Bach interpretation up to Tim's usual = high standards ofexcellence.Make sure you don't miss these fine new = additions to Organs and OrganistsOnline at = http://www.organsandorganistsonline.com/ and if you have anyrecordings of = the organs in your church you would like us to add to thesite, please do = not hesitate to contact us.John = Fosshttp://www.organsandorganistsonline.com/about.htmhttp://launch.groups.y= ahoo.com/group/orgofftop/    
(back) Subject: From: "Dominic Scullion" <dominicscullion@email.com> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:29:32 +0100   Can someone please reply to me privately with details of how to = unsubscribe?   Much appreciated.   Dominic    
(back) Subject: Re: Console aesthetics From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:40:38 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 12:24 PM Subject: Console aesthetics     > Hello, > > I've never sat at an original Skinner console > unfortunately, but here in the UK, I guess we have the > equivalent in the comfortable, beautifully crafted > consoles of Arthur Harrison, where quality exudes > every seam and every piece of felt.   Certainly the quality would be very similar, but in terms of layout the consoles of Henry Willis III would be a lot closer than Arthur Harrison. Skinner consoles, like Willis ones, generally have the couplers as rocking tablets on a coupler rail above the top manual.   John Speller      
(back) Subject: Re: Console aesthetics From: "Larry McGuire" <larry@duntarvie.f2s.com> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 20:57:37 +0100   A Skinner console would appear to be surprisingly like a Willis........   And (IMHO) as far as the UK goes, the console appointments of a Willis II, III (or IV) would outdo any Harrison instrument - unless it was an H&H rebuild of a Willis organ.   Name a famous H&H instrument - it probably started life as a Willis anyway. . . te hee   (:~P>   Larry (not the least bit biased, but trained by Willis)       -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005    
(back) Subject: Re: Chageable stop-names From: "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:23:10 -0400   The Marshall and Ogletree Opus 1 at Trinity Church Wall St, NYC utilises=20 vacuum display technology for their "Alternate Stops" NFRussotto   On 4/23/05, Colin Mitchell <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:=20 >=20 > Hello, >=20 > Harry Grove suggested some sort of "electronic" or > fibre-optic device which would enable stop-names to be > changed; especially on digital organs with multiple > specs. >=20 > I could only think of liquid-crystal technology, but > I'm sure there are other methods. >=20 > However, I always like to keep things elegant and > simple, and the most obvious way of changing stop > names, is to have sort of click-on stop name "cap" > made from precision plastic. I am often impressed by > the engineering accuracy of modern plastic components, > and an interference fit between a "head cap" and a > blank plastic stop-head would, I feel sure, be > completely adequate. >=20 > Of course, if the name-cap itself is female, then > there is the danger that it could be yanked off when > drawing stops. The way around that, I suppose, is to > have a male type of plastic cap, which pushes into a > carefully designed circular slot. >=20 > Then the problem is, how to get the "head cap" out > again, without resorting to tiny screwdrivers and > things. >=20 > This is where my patent "nomenclator" comes into its > own.........(it's actually a valve-grinding tool at > three times the normal price and made in China) >=20 > Any other (better) ideas anyone? >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Colin MItchell UK >=20 > > "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> wrote: > > >=20 > > >Now; if they could have got the names on the stops > > to change (in some > > >electronic* or fibre-optic* fashion) when you > > selected each 'sound stage' - > > >then THAT would have been fun. > > >(* This idea now copyright to musicman enterprises, > > and this copyright > > >interdiction now in the public domain 22/04/05) >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >=20 > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >=20 >=20     --=20 Nicholas F. Russotto Somers, Connecticut Organist, Holy Cross PNCC Enfield, Connecticut Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music=20 http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/monarch_of_music/  
(back) Subject: Re: (no subject) From: <Mh1Jc@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:47:19 EDT   hi, how are you? why are you leaving?  
(back) Subject: Re: Chageable stop-names From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:12:16 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Would someone like to explain vacuum display technology to us?   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> wrote: > The Marshall and Ogletree Opus 1 at Trinity Church > Wall St, NYC utilises > vacuum display technology for their "Alternate > Stops"     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Chageable stop-names From: "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:15:57 -0400   Sure, let me do that for you:=20 The characteristics of vacuum fluorescent display (VFD) technology include= =20 high brightness, wide viewing angle, wide temperature range, and relatively= =20 low cost, making it particularly appropriate for medical uses. The high=20 brightness and wide viewing angle produce excellent visibility in low light= =20 conditions, and in situations where the viewer cannot be directly in front= =20 of the display. The wide temperature range is suitable for emergency vehicl= e=20 and portable equipment use. And at current pricing, made more competitive b= y=20 recent manufacturing efficiencies, VFD technology has become an essential= =20 display option for engineers involved in designing electronic medical=20 devices. VFD is typically blue-green in colour. To see one of the VFD chips= =20 mounted on an organ, email me privately so that I may send you a picture. NFR     On 4/23/05, Colin Mitchell <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:=20 >=20 > Hello, >=20 > Would someone like to explain vacuum display > technology to us? >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Colin Mitchell UK >=20 > --- "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> wrote: > > The Marshall and Ogletree Opus 1 at Trinity Church > > Wall St, NYC utilises > > vacuum display technology for their "Alternate > > Stops" >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >=20 > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >=20 >=20     --=20 Nicholas F. Russotto Somers, Connecticut Organist, Holy Cross PNCC Enfield, Connecticut Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music=20 http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/monarch_of_music/  
(back) Subject: Toledo Peristyle's Skinner player/manual pipe organ From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:01:35 EDT   Greetings:   I just returned from great weekend in the Toledo Museum of Art where the =   newly restored E. M. Skinner player/manual pipe organ.   Friday night's concert featured the Toledo Symphony Orchestra and Aaron David Miller at the console. The program quickly: Peace Overture Peck Concerto for Organ and Strings in G Minor Poulene Symphony No. 3 in C minor, op 78 "Organ" Saint-Saens   The Skinner was carefully restored by the Thompson-Allen Company to its = 1927 condition.   The organ sounded very powerful in the Peristyle. Unfortunately the room = was as dead as it ever was. The music came rolling out, then seemed to drop = dead somewhere in the middle of the auditorium. The Peristyle is apparently = noted for its dreadful lack of reverberation. The orchestral music seemed to be =   performed softly, and by comparison the organ drowned out the orchestra whenever the two played together. Only when the organ played at its = softest volume could the orchestra be heard.   With that all said, and given the room they had to work with, conductor Chelsea Tipton II did a top-notch job keeping the orchestra and the organ =   together. This made up for the accoustical shortcomings of the = auditorium. I was very pleased with the performances and enjoyed myself the entire evening. =     The organ performs admirably in the Peristyle. Based on the audience reaction, more organ concerts will be performed there. Let's hope that = the TMA will improve the accoustics so that whatever performers are on the stage can = be more easily heard.   Musically,   Stan Krider    
(back) Subject: Re: (no subject) From: <AGODRDANB@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:05:28 EDT   Howdy! I believe all that you need do is, send an email with "un subscribe" as the subject, and also "un subscribe" in the body = of your message. If this doesn't work take a dead cat into a cemetary at midnight, oh wait! that last one is to get rid or warts, sorry! Regards Dr. Dan (Past dean American Guild of Organists)  
(back) Subject: Harlem Gospel Choir in Lansdale PA From: "Eric Gombert" <egombert@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:31:23 -0400   The World Famous Harlem Gospel Choir an Allen Bailey Production (http://www.harlemgospelchoir.com)   will be performing at Trinity Lutheran Church 1000 West Main Street Lansdale PA 19446   FRIDAY, MAY 13, 2005 8:00 p.m.   Tickets are $10 ($5-children 12 and under) and are now available from the Church Office Advance ticket purchase recommended 215.368.1710 (ask for Karen Brown)   http://www.trinitylansdale.com email: egombert@trinitylansdale.com Printable poster available at http://www.trinitylansdale.com/concerts/hgc.pdf  
(back) Subject: Re: (no subject) From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis.jan@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:33:39 -0700   Or as it says at the bottom of darn near every post ...   List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>   .... now where did that cat get off to?   On 4/23/05, AGODRDANB@aol.com <AGODRDANB@aol.com> wrote: > =20 > Howdy!=20 > I believe all that you need do is, send an email with "un > subscribe" as the subject, and also "un subscribe" in the body of= =20 > your message.=20 > =20 > If this doesn't work take a dead cat into a cemetary at=20 > midnight, oh wait!=20 > that last one is to get rid or warts, sorry!=20 > Regards=20 > Dr. Dan=20 > (Past dean American Guild of Organists)=20     --=20 Jan Nijhuis nijhuis.jan@gmail.com