PipeChat Digest #5295 - Wednesday, April 27, 2005
 
Re: Making a Case for Wicks
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: How much would it cost?
  by "Bernadette Wagner" <musicalgrl90@yahoo.com>
How much is a 3 bathroom 14 room house?
  by "nelson denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca>
Re: Making a Case for Wicks
  by "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com>
Re: Wicks..was: How much would it cost?
  by "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com>
RE: Making a Case for Wicks
  by "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@charter.net>
3 manuals 14 ranks
  by "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net>
Re: Making a Case for Wicks
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Making a Case for Wicks From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:48:54 -0400   To Malcolm, Not being a organ, music, performance major but just a lousy = engineer and reading all of the statements so far regarding the results of organ installations, whether that of pipes or electronics, I have come to the conclusion that it is the mating of the organ to the building and not the organ manufacturer himself that is responsible for the success or failure = of the result. I have done some minor repair of some small organs that I have played and despite the purists claim that only the engineering of the 17th century can render a true performance of organ literature, I have been surprised to see the installation or design where even your local physics teacher would have predicted failure. If something is to last for 100 = years with only tuning applied, then its up to the manufacturer to be able to bypass those failed designs and come up with something else. Wick's did = that with the DE. Some say that they don't like the attack of the pipe when it opens. Well someone needs to improve on that. Reservoirs need to be redesigned and new materials need to be invented or tested to take the = place of lambskins and any area where pollution will affect the life of the instrument. Whoever is aggressive in that approach will survive this next century. The American transportation industry went from the burro/horse to the buggy to the auto to the now hybrid. Does that tell you something. = Many fought the installation of electric blowers to produce the air pressure = for the organ. Does that mean that it no longer is a pipe organ? As long as = the organists performance is not judged by his individually opening each pipe = by hand (nice trick if it could be done) it cannot be compared to a cello = since the only thing that the performer touches is the keyboard and pedals. Its = up to the organ builder to make the instrument to react properly to that = touch. Get with it. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:47 AM Subject: Making a Case for Wicks     > Dear List and Nick, > > I feel the need to "pipe" up about this. Nick, you say: "I don't trust = the > quality of Wicks." and "I really don't like the sound." I think that, in > making such a blanket criticism of a company, it would be a good idea to be > sure you have some empirical evidence, realizing, of course, that = reaction > to a sound is a very personal thing. I am wondering if you have heard their > latest work. I have heard their three Connecticut (your state)Organs in > concert, and was really impressed with each one of them, and was careful to > say so in reviews, because I know they are often reviled, possibly = because > of some instruments in their long past that did not please. In their = past, > however, there are some special instruments, worthy of our attention. = Here > are URLs that will connect you to information about their three Connecticut > instruments. > > http://organ.wicks.com/display_page?o=3D2&p=3D200&s=3D6301 This is the Ridgefield, > CT Organ, quite close to me, and one I know quite well. I have even = played > it for a AGO Members' Recital a few years ago, and have heard several > recitals there. > > http://organ.wicks.com/display_page?o=3D2&p=3D200&s=3D6373 This = instrument is > nearest to my home, and I have heard a number of recitals on it, and judged > one AGO competition there. > > http://organ.wicks.com/display_page?o=3D2&p=3D200&s=3D6358 This = instrument is in > Plainville, CT. I heard it several years ago, and found that this is a > congregation that is "Organ crazy." That's a compliment. They turn out = for > recitals, and have had a long list of famous virtuosi there for = recitals. > > I can assist you with getting in to hear Ridgefield and Washington (CT), but > know no one at Plainville. I hope, in the interest of truth, you might = do > your due diligence, and hear these instruments for themselves. I will = now > sit and await my commission, and it will be a mighty long wait, of = course. > Eternity. Working for an Organbuilder myself, I want complete justice = for us > but also for every other serious builder anywhere. > > Thanks, > > Malcolm Wechsler > www.mander-organs.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:31 AM > Subject: Re: How much would it cost? > > > I knew I shouldn't have said that. I just dont trust the quality of > Wicks. I've heard some horror stories, and I really dont like the > sound. PLEASE dont flame me for an opinion. > > NFR > > On 4/27/05, Scott A Montgomery <montre1978@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Have you heard a WICKS lately? Look up Ken Cowan on organlive.com. > > There > > is a dedication concert from the new organ in Michigan that blew me = out of > > the water. I am excited to hear this instrument live next month. = Right > > Larry? > > > > Scott Montgomery > > www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net > > > > > > Brent Johnson <brentmj@charter.net> wrote: > > I have to bite Nick. Why wouldn't you entrust the organ building to Wicks? > > Brent Johnson > > ORGANLive - Music of the organ on demand > > http://www.organlive.com > > > > N. Russotto wrote: > > > > >Hi Shirley, > > >I'll step in before someone who knows what they're talking about = does. > > >A 14r 3m organ? Thats some heavy unification going on here. . . Using > > >the [standard] figure of 15,000/rank plus10,000 for the console, we > > >find the price to be: $220,000, not including labour, etc. Builders: > > >Seb Gluck, who is a member here, does some phenomenal work. So does > > >Fratelli Ruffati of Italy, as well as Schantz. Wicks does good > > >consoles, but I wouldnt entrust the organ building to them. If you > > >want digital, Walker Ind. and a Wicks console is a phenomenal mix, > > >IMHO. Austin did great work too, but they are questionable as to = their > > >status of the moment. I hope you make a good choice! And when you do > > >that, get Ken Cowan, Tom Murray, John Weaver, Frederick Hohman to = come > > >play your dedicatory recital! > > > > > >Nick Russotto > > > > -- > Nicholas F. Russotto > Somers, Connecticut > Organist, Holy Cross PNCC > Enfield, Connecticut > Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/monarch_of_music/ > > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >    
(back) Subject: Re: How much would it cost? From: "Bernadette Wagner" <musicalgrl90@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:00:43 -0700 (PDT)   Which Buzard in Chapaign?   Scott A Montgomery <montre1978@yahoo.com> wrote:We are all entitled to our = own opinions. There are many organs, from many builders, that I would = never want to play again. It's just the particular year, the style of the = decade, or just the company that has failed. Some make a come back, some = don't. I have heard fantastic Austins from the 20s and horrible one from = the 80s. (Just to give an example.) It's all a matter of personal taste = (just as everything in life is). I just wanted you to be aware of this = recording in case you haven't heard a Wicks recently. I love the 1930's = Wicks at St Mary's Cathedral, Peoria, a good Buzard in Champaign, but I = also love a good Taylor and Boody and a Wolff. Scott Montgomery www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net   "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> wrote: I knew I shouldn't have said that. I just dont trust the quality of Wicks. I've heard some horror stories, and I really dont like the sound. PLEASE dont flame me for an opinion.   NFR   On 4/27/05, Scott A Montgomery wrote: > Have you heard a WICKS lately? Look up Ken Cowan on organlive.com. There > is a dedication concert from the new organ in Michigan that blew me out = of > the water. I am excited to hear this instrument live next month. Right > Larry? > > Scott Montgomery > www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net > > > Brent Johnson wrote: > I have to bite Nick. Why wouldn't you entrust the organ building to = Wicks? > Brent Johnson > ORGANLive - Music of the organ on demand > http://www.organlive.com > > N. Russotto wrote: > > >Hi Shirley, > >I'll step in before someone who knows what they're talking about does. > >A 14r 3m organ? Thats some heavy unification going on here. . . Using > >the [standard] figure of 15,000/rank plus10,000 for the console, we > >find the price to be: $220,000, not including labour, etc. Builders: > >Seb Gluck, who is a member here, does some phenomenal work. So does > >Fratelli Ruffati of Italy, as well as Schantz. Wicks does good > >consoles, but I wouldnt entrust the organ building to them. If you > >want digital, Walker Ind. and a Wicks console is a phenomenal mix, > >IMHO. Austin did great work too, but they are questionable as to their > >status of the moment. I hope you make a good choice! And when you do > >that, get Ken Cowan, Tom Murray, John Weaver, Frederick Hohman to come > >play your dedicatory recital! > > > >Nick Russotto > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: > List-Digest: > List-Unsubscribe: > >     -- Nicholas F. Russotto Somers, Connecticut Organist, Holy Cross PNCC Enfield, Connecticut Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/monarch_of_music/   ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe:       Scott Montgomery 619 W Church St Champaign, IL 61820 217-390-0158 www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: How much is a 3 bathroom 14 room house? From: "nelson denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:10:29 -0400   Need I explain more???     Nelson Denton Organbuilder  
(back) Subject: Re: Making a Case for Wicks From: "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:45:02 -0400   Listen. I don't like Wicks. There is is! That's my opinion, I'm not impressing it upon anyone, so take it and do with it what you will! I doubt my opinon is valued as much as the more prestigious people on list, and thats fine. If you agree with me, fine. If not, I could really care less. The recordings I've heard are most unbearable to me. John Weaver recording on a Wicks is equivalent, in my mind, to when Virgil was contracted by Hammond to play their organs. I, as well, am a firm believer in not pre voicing, and it took longer for my tuner to revioce the organ I MOVED from nave to loft than it does for Wicks to voice a whole (new) organ! I find thta the epitome of cheapness. When the Festival Trumpet cannot be heard above the Oboe, I know something is wrong. Forgive the rant, and forgive me for asserting my opinion on list. May I never report anything but fact again.   Nick Russotto   On 4/27/05, Paul Valtos <chercapa@enter.net> wrote: > To Malcolm, > Not being a organ, music, performance major but just a lousy engine= er > and reading all of the statements so far regarding the results of organ > installations, whether that of pipes or electronics, I have come to the > conclusion that it is the mating of the organ to the building and not the > organ manufacturer himself that is responsible for the success or failure= of > the result. I have done some minor repair of some small organs that I hav= e > played and despite the purists claim that only the engineering of the 17t= h > century can render a true performance of organ literature, I have been > surprised to see the installation or design where even your local physics > teacher would have predicted failure. If something is to last for 100 yea= rs > with only tuning applied, then its up to the manufacturer to be able to > bypass those failed designs and come up with something else. Wick's did t= hat > with the DE. Some say that they don't like the attack of the pipe when it > opens. Well someone needs to improve on that. Reservoirs need to be > redesigned and new materials need to be invented or tested to take the pl= ace > of lambskins and any area where pollution will affect the life of the > instrument. Whoever is aggressive in that approach will survive this next > century. The American transportation industry went from the burro/horse t= o > the buggy to the auto to the now hybrid. Does that tell you something. Ma= ny > fought the installation of electric blowers to produce the air pressure f= or > the organ. Does that mean that it no longer is a pipe organ? As long as t= he > organists performance is not judged by his individually opening each pipe= by > hand (nice trick if it could be done) it cannot be compared to a cello si= nce > the only thing that the performer touches is the keyboard and pedals. Its= up > to the organ builder to make the instrument to react properly to that tou= ch. > Get with it. > Paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:47 AM > Subject: Making a Case for Wicks >=20 > > Dear List and Nick, > > > > I feel the need to "pipe" up about this. Nick, you say: "I don't trust = the > > quality of Wicks." and "I really don't like the sound." I think that, i= n > > making such a blanket criticism of a company, it would be a good idea t= o > be > > sure you have some empirical evidence, realizing, of course, that react= ion > > to a sound is a very personal thing. I am wondering if you have heard > their > > latest work. I have heard their three Connecticut (your state)Organs in > > concert, and was really impressed with each one of them, and was carefu= l > to > > say so in reviews, because I know they are often reviled, possibly beca= use > > of some instruments in their long past that did not please. In their pa= st, > > however, there are some special instruments, worthy of our attention. H= ere > > are URLs that will connect you to information about their three > Connecticut > > instruments. > > > > http://organ.wicks.com/display_page?o=3D2&p=3D200&s=3D6301 This is the > Ridgefield, > > CT Organ, quite close to me, and one I know quite well. I have even pla= yed > > it for a AGO Members' Recital a few years ago, and have heard several > > recitals there. > > > > http://organ.wicks.com/display_page?o=3D2&p=3D200&s=3D6373 This instrum= ent is > > nearest to my home, and I have heard a number of recitals on it, and > judged > > one AGO competition there. > > > > http://organ.wicks.com/display_page?o=3D2&p=3D200&s=3D6358 This instrum= ent is in > > Plainville, CT. I heard it several years ago, and found that this is a > > congregation that is "Organ crazy." That's a compliment. They turn out = for > > recitals, and have had a long list of famous virtuosi there for recital= s. > > > > I can assist you with getting in to hear Ridgefield and Washington (CT)= , > but > > know no one at Plainville. I hope, in the interest of truth, you might = do > > your due diligence, and hear these instruments for themselves. I will n= ow > > sit and await my commission, and it will be a mighty long wait, of cour= se. > > Eternity. Working for an Organbuilder myself, I want complete justice f= or > us > > but also for every other serious builder anywhere. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Malcolm Wechsler > > www.mander-organs.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> > > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:31 AM > > Subject: Re: How much would it cost? > > > > > > I knew I shouldn't have said that. I just dont trust the quality of > > Wicks. I've heard some horror stories, and I really dont like the > > sound. PLEASE dont flame me for an opinion. > > > > NFR > > > > On 4/27/05, Scott A Montgomery <montre1978@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Have you heard a WICKS lately? Look up Ken Cowan on organlive.com. > > > There > > > is a dedication concert from the new organ in Michigan that blew me o= ut > of > > > the water. I am excited to hear this instrument live next month. Ri= ght > > > Larry? > > > > > > Scott Montgomery > > > www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net > > > > > > > > > Brent Johnson <brentmj@charter.net> wrote: > > > I have to bite Nick. Why wouldn't you entrust the organ building to > Wicks? > > > Brent Johnson > > > ORGANLive - Music of the organ on demand > > > http://www.organlive.com > > > > > > N. Russotto wrote: > > > > > > >Hi Shirley, > > > >I'll step in before someone who knows what they're talking about doe= s. > > > >A 14r 3m organ? Thats some heavy unification going on here. . . Usin= g > > > >the [standard] figure of 15,000/rank plus10,000 for the console, we > > > >find the price to be: $220,000, not including labour, etc. Builders: > > > >Seb Gluck, who is a member here, does some phenomenal work. So does > > > >Fratelli Ruffati of Italy, as well as Schantz. Wicks does good > > > >consoles, but I wouldnt entrust the organ building to them. If you > > > >want digital, Walker Ind. and a Wicks console is a phenomenal mix, > > > >IMHO. Austin did great work too, but they are questionable as to the= ir > > > >status of the moment. I hope you make a good choice! And when you do > > > >that, get Ken Cowan, Tom Murray, John Weaver, Frederick Hohman to co= me > > > >play your dedicatory recital! > > > > > > > >Nick Russotto > > > > > > -- > > Nicholas F. Russotto > > Somers, Connecticut > > Organist, Holy Cross PNCC > > Enfield, Connecticut > > Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/monarch_of_music/ > > > > > > > > > > ****************************************************************** > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > >=20 > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >=20 >=20     --=20 Nicholas F. Russotto Somers, Connecticut Organist, Holy Cross PNCC Enfield, Connecticut Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music=20 http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/monarch_of_music/  
(back) Subject: Re: Wicks..was: How much would it cost? From: "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:52:05 -0400   How DARE you insinuate I am mongering rumours. I am simply offering my opinon on the organ company. Shelly (?) asked, and I simply resonded with my opinion. Excuse me if I dont agree with you. But my opinon of Wicks just keeps getting lower, as their sales rep contacted me privately about me not liking their instruments! A church I know of signed with another company instead of Wicks, and they have no peace since! So, Excuse me if my opinon doesn't level with yours. Thats why its OPINON people! You are the one who deserves the shame here. Now, I'd love to get back to some organ talk here. Anyone who has a problem with me, I'll adress it PRIVATELY.   NFR         On 4/27/05, jch <opus1100@catoe.org> wrote: > At 07:31 AM 4/27/05, you wrote: > > knew I shouldn't have said that. I just dont trust the quality of > >Wicks. I've heard some horror stories, and I really dont like the > >sound. PLEASE dont flame me for an opinion. >=20 > Shame on you...it is this kind of rumor and innuendo mongering that cause= d > Austin Organs > so much grief and made it difficult for them to get new contracts. Wicks > has a proven > track record and stands firmly behind their product. My personal choice > would be > an electro-pneumatic action...that is nothing against Wicks..just my > personal bias. > I have seen Wicks perform well over the years and have been to their > factory on two > occasions. They are constantly striving to improve their product. Tonally > they are > on a parr with everyone else. Every builder has had some dogs....usually > giving the > customer what they thought they wanted. Personally I have heard some gre= at > sounding > Wicks organs. >=20 > Jon >=20 > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >=20 >=20     --=20 Nicholas F. Russotto Somers, Connecticut Organist, Holy Cross PNCC Enfield, Connecticut Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music=20 http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/monarch_of_music/  
(back) Subject: RE: Making a Case for Wicks From: "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@charter.net> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:54:33 -0500   There you go, Nick. That's all I was looking for, just your personal reasons for your opinion. That's one of the things we're here to do is share stuff like that right?   Brent Johnson ORGANLive - Music of the organ on demand http://www.organlive.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of N. Russotto Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:45 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Making a Case for Wicks   Listen. I don't like Wicks. There is is! That's my opinion, I'm not impressing it upon anyone, so take it and do with it what you will! I doubt my opinon is valued as much as the more prestigious people on list, and thats fine. If you agree with me, fine. If not, I could really care less. The recordings I've heard are most unbearable to me. John Weaver recording on a Wicks is equivalent, in my mind, to when Virgil was contracted by Hammond to play their organs. I, as well, am a firm believer in not pre voicing, and it took longer for my tuner to revioce the organ I MOVED from nave to loft than it does for Wicks to voice a whole (new) organ! I find thta the epitome of cheapness. When the Festival Trumpet cannot be heard above the Oboe, I know something is wrong. Forgive the rant, and forgive me for asserting my opinion on list. May I never report anything but fact again.   Nick Russotto      
(back) Subject: 3 manuals 14 ranks From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:56:51 -0400   What would be the general opinion about the following:   Design an excelent 2-manual organ. Then add a 3rd manual to which you = would assign certain stops from the other two divisions. I've seen it = done where one would have a 3rd manual that contains ALL the stops from = the other two. I wasn't meaning that.   I've thought about doing this with my home organ. I think there are = times that a third manual would be quite useful, but it is difficult to = justify an additional unique division. I've seen music which calls for = a very full sound alternating with echos using a very soft setting. The = "full" sound is obtained by coupling Swell and Great, but the Swell is = too loud to be used for the "echo" part. There's a Mendelssohn Organ = Sonata (in F, I think), that has this. Having a manual that contains a = handful of stops borrowed from the other divisions might add a great = deal of versatility without requiring a great increase in cost.   Just something to think about.   Thanks, Keith
(back) Subject: Re: Making a Case for Wicks From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:58:27 -0500   At 1:45 PM -0400 4/27/05, N. Russotto wrote: >Listen. I don't like Wicks. There is is! That's my opinion, I'm not >impressing it upon anyone, so take it and do with it what you will! I >doubt my opinon is valued as much as the more prestigious people on >list, and thats fine. If you agree with me, fine. If not, I could >really care less. The recordings I've heard are most unbearable to me.   Well Maybe, you have heard the wrong recordings.   >John Weaver recording on a Wicks is equivalent, in my mind, to when >Virgil was contracted by Hammond to play their organs.   I don't think you can make this comparison and BTW, don't put down Hammonds either.   >I, as well, am >a firm believer in not pre voicing, and it took longer for my tuner to >revioce the organ I MOVED from nave to loft than it does for Wicks to >voice a whole (new) organ!   And EXACTLY how do you know this? Have you bought a new organ from WICKS? Have you been involved with the installation of a WICKS organ or are you basing this on hear-say?   > I find thta the epitome of cheapness. When >the Festival Trumpet cannot be heard above the Oboe, I know something >is wrong.   How about citing a SPECIFIC example of the above statement, church, etc. And have you heard this with your own ears?   I gather you are basing all of your comments on hear-say   David