PipeChat Digest #5296 - Wednesday, April 27, 2005
 
Re: Making a Case for Wicks
  by "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com>
3 M/14R
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Changeable stop-names
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: How much is a 3 bathroom 14 room house?
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Re: Making a Case for Wicks
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Re: 3 M/14R
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: 3 manuals 14 ranks
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: 3 manuals 14 ranks
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
New III/20 under construction (with specification)
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Wicks..was: How much would it cost?
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
Company Bashing
  by "tgregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net>
Re: Company Bashing-thoughts on WIcks
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
RE: Company Bashing-thoughts on WIcks
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: Company Bashing-thoughts on WIcks
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Company Bashing-thoughts on WIcks
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
ADMIN: Re: Nick's opinion of Wicks
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Re:Organ cost, quality, and bids
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Making a Case for Wicks
  by "Ray Ahrens" <ray_ahrens@msn.com>
Making a Case for Wicks (or not)
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Making a Case for Wicks From: "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:02:53 -0400   I base my opinons, yes, on hear say, but on several peoples experiences, all of whom I trust implicitly. The person whom I am quoting most has asked to remain anonymous, most likely for just the reason that he, too, would be flamed if, God forbid, he let his opinion be known.     NFR   On 4/27/05, David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> wrote: > At 1:45 PM -0400 4/27/05, N. Russotto wrote: > >Listen. I don't like Wicks. There is is! That's my opinion, I'm not > >impressing it upon anyone, so take it and do with it what you will! I > >doubt my opinon is valued as much as the more prestigious people on > >list, and thats fine. If you agree with me, fine. If not, I could > >really care less. The recordings I've heard are most unbearable to me. >=20 > Well Maybe, you have heard the wrong recordings. >=20 > >John Weaver recording on a Wicks is equivalent, in my mind, to when > >Virgil was contracted by Hammond to play their organs. >=20 > I don't think you can make this comparison and BTW, don't put down > Hammonds either. >=20 > >I, as well, am > >a firm believer in not pre voicing, and it took longer for my tuner to > >revioce the organ I MOVED from nave to loft than it does for Wicks to > >voice a whole (new) organ! >=20 > And EXACTLY how do you know this? Have you bought a new organ from > WICKS? Have you been involved with the installation of a WICKS organ > or are you basing this on hear-say? >=20 > > I find thta the epitome of cheapness. When > >the Festival Trumpet cannot be heard above the Oboe, I know something > >is wrong. >=20 > How about citing a SPECIFIC example of the above statement, church, > etc. And have you heard this with your own ears? >=20 > I gather you are basing all of your comments on hear-say >=20 > David >=20 > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >=20 >=20     --=20 Nicholas F. Russotto Somers, Connecticut Organist, Holy Cross PNCC Enfield, Connecticut Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music=20 http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/monarch_of_music/  
(back) Subject: 3 M/14R From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:22:35 -0500   If I were wanting a 3M/14R organ, I would trust nobody BUT Wicks! They have tons of experience with unification, and clearly 14 ranks stretched over 3 manuals is going to be unified. My first pipe organ was a 3/15 Wicks from 1930, and though I resold it before getting it reassembled, it was a lovely instrument.   Although I've heard good reports about Kegg and their recent installation of a 7-9 rank organ recently which apparently is lovely; they seem to have mastered the variable scaling needed.   Dennis Steckley   "Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened."--Dr. Seuss        
(back) Subject: Re: Changeable stop-names From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:37:12 EDT   Hello cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk,     In reference to your comment: Then the problem is, how to get the "head cap" out again, without resorting to tiny screwdrivers and things.   This is where my patent "nomenclator" comes into its own.........(it's actually a valve-grinding tool at three times the normal price and made in China)   Any other (better) ideas anyone?   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How about........   A disc with the stop name on it, that fits into the front of a thingie = that then screws onto threads on the stop post? It would kinda sandwich the = stop name disc between two pieces of metal so it couldn't be pulled off, but = it should be fairly easy to unscrew to change name plates.   Victoria  
(back) Subject: Re: How much is a 3 bathroom 14 room house? From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:00:26 -0400     On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:10:29 -0400 "nelson denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca> writes: > Need I explain more???       Dear Listers:   We are just now beginning the descent of the slope that I warned this thread would take.   I hope we can all be careful.     Jim  
(back) Subject: Re: Making a Case for Wicks From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:07:23 -0400       Dear Listers:   Ah, once again we pummel the expired equine.   I for one am deleting messages, en masse, with this particular header.   Jim       On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:54:33 -0500 "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@charter.net> writes: > There you go, Nick. That's all I was looking for, just your > personal > reasons for your opinion. That's one of the things we're here to do > is > share stuff like that right? > > Brent Johnson > ORGANLive - Music of the organ on demand > http://www.organlive.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf > Of N. > Russotto > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:45 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: Making a Case for Wicks > > Listen. I don't like Wicks. There is is! That's my opinion, I'm not > impressing it upon anyone, so take it and do with it what you will! > I > doubt my opinon is valued as much as the more prestigious people on > list, and thats fine. If you agree with me, fine. If not, I could > really care less. The recordings I've heard are most unbearable to > me. > John Weaver recording on a Wicks is equivalent, in my mind, to when > Virgil was contracted by Hammond to play their organs. I, as well, > am > a firm believer in not pre voicing, and it took longer for my tuner > to > revioce the organ I MOVED from nave to loft than it does for Wicks > to > voice a whole (new) organ! I find thta the epitome of cheapness. > When > the Festival Trumpet cannot be heard above the Oboe, I know > something > is wrong. Forgive the rant, and forgive me for asserting my opinion > on > list. May I never report anything but fact again. > > Nick Russotto > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related > topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > >  
(back) Subject: Re: 3 M/14R From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:44:08 -0600   Hello, PipeChatters:   Dennis said: > If I were wanting a 3M/14R organ, I would trust > nobody BUT Wicks! They have tons of experience > with unification, and clearly 14 ranks stretched > over 3 manuals is going to be unified. . . For what it is worth, Wicks built a 3M/14R for the Gaston Avenue Baptist Church in Dallas in the years following World War-II. This was their primary sanctuary organ, and it performed its primary tasks quite well. I still remember singing in a collective chorus for the annual performance of Messiah. When the organ started playing "And the Glory of the Lord," in A major, I could feel my skin begin to crawl from the magnificent brilliance of that organ in that key with that music. Wow!!!   The "uptown" people who populated Gaston Avenue Church all moved away to better homes and suburbs. Gaston Avenue Baptist Church dwindled to a small congregation and sold the campus to the Criswell Bible College in the early 1990s. This is now the chapel organ for the school. Compared to other organs, you can make some arguments based on this vs that, etc., but who can say that the organ was not exactly what Gaston Avenue Church wanted/needed in the late 1940s to 1950s? My personal experience was quite positive. When the organ satisfies the music mission of the particular church that bought it, then I believe that it is a "good" organ. F. Richard Burt ..    
(back) Subject: Re: 3 manuals 14 ranks From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:51:53 EDT   Keith- If you are adding a third manual--I would suggest that you have at least = one indep. rank for the division--- I suggest-in the case       Gregory F. Ceurvorst 1921 Sherman Ave. #GS Evanston, IL 60201 847.332.2788 home/fax 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net    
(back) Subject: Re: 3 manuals 14 ranks From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:55:50 EDT   SORRY--clicked send on the first one before I was done... Anyway-for the third manual of your residence organ--I would suggest = having one ind. rank for the manual--a nice broad sounding 8' flute, gemshorn, or =   small principal..that way-when you have whole organ coupled-french = style--the choir will have just a touch more power than the swell. gfc       Gregory F. Ceurvorst 1921 Sherman Ave. #GS Evanston, IL 60201 847.332.2788 home/fax 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net    
(back) Subject: New III/20 under construction (with specification) From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:19:24 EDT   Ladies and Gentlemen:   While this instrument was not really to be publicized for another month, the= =20 current discussion prompted me to post. I recently signed a contract to buil= d=20 a very small organ of twenty ranks for a chapel that cried out for some kind= =20 of creative solution to their organ situation, which had never been=20 satisfactory since the church was built in the early 1920s.=20   Having designed a two-manual organ, I suddenly had the idea that I might,=20 instead of trying to add a skeletal third manual, share some stops and creat= e a=20 borrowed third manual. The organ is still perceived as only two manuals, but= =20 can be played as three, adding flexibility when playing specific repertoire.   This organ took a great many months of planning and thought; the decisions=20 were not arbitrary. While the pedal may LOOK small, it will, in my experienc= e,=20 be quite adequate. The "hole in the middle" of the pedal borrow problem is=20 eased by the inclusion of the independent 4' diapason, as well as the two fu= ll=20 length open 16' extensions. The Recit and Positif share a common expression=20 enclosure. The number of pipes are given in parentheses. Completion of the t= onal=20 finishing is expected prior to Christmas.   GRAND-ORGUE (II)   16=E2=80=99 Bourdon (12) 8=E2=80=99 Montre (58) 8=E2=80=99 Violoncelle (58) 8=E2=80=99 Fl=C3=BBte Harmonique (Positif) 8=E2=80=99 Bourdon (58) 4=E2=80=99 Prestant (58) 2=E2=80=99 Doublette (58) Fourniture II=E2=80=93IV (196) 8=E2=80=99 Trompette Harmonique (Recit)     R=C3=89CIT-EXPRESSIF (III)   8=E2=80=99 Viole de Gambe (58) 8=E2=80=99 Voix C=C3=A9leste (46) 8=E2=80=99 Cor de Nuit (58) 4=E2=80=99 Prestant (58) 4=E2=80=99 Fl=C3=BBte Octaviante (58) 2=E2=80=99 Fl=C3=BBte Conique (58) 16=E2=80=99 Clarinette Basse (12, ext Positif Clarinette) 8=E2=80=99 Trompette Harmonique (58) 8=E2=80=99 Basson et Hautbois (58) 8=E2=80=99 Voix Humaine (58) Tremblant Voix Humaine Tremblant Positif et Recit   POSITIF-EXPRESSIF (I)   8=E2=80=99 Violoncelle (Grand-Orgue) 8=E2=80=99 Fl=C3=BBte Harmonique (12, ext Flute Octaviante) 8=E2=80=99 Cor de Nuit (Recit) 4=E2=80=99 Fl=C3=BBte Douce (12, ext Cor de Nuit) 8=E2=80=99 Clarinette (58)   I et II en =C3=A9change   P=C3=89DALE   16=E2=80=99 Contrebasse (12, ext Violoncelle) 16=E2=80=99 Sous Basse (Grand-Orgue) 10-2/3=E2=80=99 Gros Nasard 8=E2=80=99 Octave Basse (Grand-Orgue) 8=E2=80=99 Violoncelle (Grand-Orgue) 8=E2=80=99 Fl=C3=BBte (Grand-Orgue) 4=E2=80=99 Quinzi=C3=A8me (32) 4=E2=80=99 Flute Ouverte (Recit) 4=E2=80=99 Fl=C3=BBte Bouch=C3=A9e (Grand-Orgue) 16=E2=80=99 Bombarde (12) 16=E2=80=99 Clarinette Basse (Grand-Orgue) 8=E2=80=99 Trompette (Grand-Orgue) 4=E2=80=99 Clarinette (Grand-Orgue) =20      
(back) Subject: Re: Wicks..was: How much would it cost? From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:38:04 -0500   Hi Nick,   My goodness. Calm yourself! I don't think anyone here was climbing your = a** because of your stated opinion regarding Wicks organs. Likely it was the manner in which it was stated.   From my point of view it is terribly unfair to classify all Wicks organs = as inferior. They certainly aren't. At least that has been my personal experience, having played dozens of Wicks organs over more than 40 years = on the bench. Granted, I have played some Wicks organs that didn't leave a positive impression on me, but the same can be said for many other organs I've played built by other well established companies. However, that = being said, most Wicks I have played have been very well crafted, meticulously voiced, musical, and impressive instruments.   Every organ, regardless of the builder, is a unique entity unto itself. = We all know that many factors impact the performance of an organ: design, condition, layout, the ROOM where it lives, acoustics, and not least the organist! Even the smallest Unit organ can be made to be very musical and =   joy to listen to in the hands of a creative and well trained organist.   In the end, I think that making blanket negative statements regarding one organ builder or another is not helpful on a public list, and does = potential harm to builder's reputations, and to our profession. That's really all folks were trying to say to you. Of course you are entitled to your = opinion. I respect your opinion. Based on my own long professional experience as = an organist, I happen to disagree with you regarding Wicks. That's all.   All the Best,   Tim Grenz   ----- Original Message ----- From: "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:52 PM Subject: Re: Wicks..was: How much would it cost?     How DARE you insinuate I am mongering rumours. I am simply offering my opinon on the organ company. Shelly (?) asked, and I simply resonded with my opinion. Excuse me if I dont agree with you. But my opinon of Wicks just keeps getting lower, as their sales rep contacted me privately about me not liking their instruments! A church I know of signed with another company instead of Wicks, and they have no peace since! So, Excuse me if my opinon doesn't level with yours. Thats why its OPINON people! You are the one who deserves the shame here. Now, I'd love to get back to some organ talk here. Anyone who has a problem with me, I'll adress it PRIVATELY.   NFR          
(back) Subject: Company Bashing From: "tgregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net> Date: Fri, 27 May 05 15:32:16 -0000   Greetings:   Please stop this company bashing!   Every manufacturer has built both excellent and questionable instruments. Some members of this list base their opinions of builders on a few instruments that do not meet their "standards".   In my 40+ years of playing I have yet to find (in my judgement) the "perfect" instrument. Instead of critizing individual builders, we must learn to bring out the best in all instruments and not bash those who do not live up to our "standards".   Best wishes to all....(and now back to lurking).   Tom Gregory  
(back) Subject: Re: Company Bashing-thoughts on WIcks From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:52:06 EDT     In a message dated 4/27/05 4:31:39 PM, tgregory@speeddial.net writes:     > In my 40+ years of playing I have yet to find (in my judgement) the > "perfect" instrument.=A0 Instead of critizing individual builders, we must > learn to bring out the best in all instruments and not bash those who do > not live up to our "standards". >=20 > Best wishes to all....(and now back to lurking). >=20 > Tom Gregory >=20   Tom-Good post-your point about not ever finding the perfect instrument is a=20 comment on the human condition-"the grass is always greener..." As far as=20 Wicks is concerned-anyone who doubts Wicks work MUST make a trip to play the= ir=20 new installation in Kalamazoo, Michigan. =20   Just a few things that impressed me about it; =20   wonderful, tight feeling, and responsive console a most colorful and supportive 16' violone on the great two 8' diapasons on the great--different in character--combine very well=20 together a harmonic flute 8' on the great that would get Cavaille-Coll's stamp of=20 approval-I just love the speech wonderful flues and reeds 16' major bass in the pedal (wood) -talk about powerful yet proper -it shake= s=20 the church-but in the most charming way 32' double trombone (full length)-two words--look out!!!! superb enclosed divisions and swell actions--these boxes are just as=20 effective as Skinner and Casavant boxes from the 20s   this is a majestic organ-one that anyone would be thrilled and privileged to= =20 preside over.   see the photos and specs here:   kalamzoo wicks   If anyone would like some photos, and a short recording-feel free to email=20 me. =20   Cheers- gfc                   Gregory F. Ceurvorst 1921 Sherman Ave. #GS Evanston, IL 60201 847.332.2788 home/fax 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net    
(back) Subject: RE: Company Bashing-thoughts on WIcks From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:09:40 +1200     >In my 40+ years of playing I have yet to find (in my judgement) the "perfect" instrument.=A0 Instead of critizing individual builders, we = must learn to bring out the best in all instruments and not bash those who do not live up to our "standards".   I agree 100% with this. In my experience, an organ cannot be judged = until it is heard. That seems self-evident to me. To use a parallel. The TV car = show from the UK recently pitted a very small Skoda diesel car against the = latest petrol-driven hot Mini-Cooper. All agreed that Skodas are absolute junk = and that diesels can't compare with petrol anyway for sheer performance. = All, at the end of the race (round a course on a disused airfield) that the = Skoda was much the better car as well as the better performer.=20   I've fallen in love with organs that have everything against them - the tradition of the builder, the design, the size, the placement, the building's acoustics. I've also found instruments that really should = have worked, judged by the building, the site, the builder, the design = etc.etc. but have turned out to be total duds.=20   Ross        
(back) Subject: RE: Company Bashing-thoughts on WIcks From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:11:52 +1200   >kalamzoo wicks   I looked this up and am most impressed with the new stopname "Subterranean Tuba"!!! Is it stuffed into the crypt, something like the orchestra at Bayreuth? Laughing myself silly at the idea, I will make no comment = though, as I haven't heard it.   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: Company Bashing-thoughts on WIcks From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:21:31 EDT     In a message dated 4/27/05 5:06:19 PM, TheShieling@xtra.co.nz writes:     > >kalamzoo wicks > > I looked this up and am most impressed with the new stopname = "Subterranean > Tuba"!!! Is it stuffed into the crypt, something like the orchestra at > Bayreuth? Laughing myself silly at the idea, I will make no comment = though, > as I haven't heard it. > > Ross > >   The subterranean tuba is on 20 inches (i think) and is in an echo division-UNDER the floor-a the back of the church-a good 300 feet away = from the chancel. It is powerful-but not overpowering-it serves as a solo or chorus = reed-and makes a wonderful dialogue stop with the tuba that is in the chancel = organ. gfc     Gregory F. Ceurvorst 1921 Sherman Ave. #GS Evanston, IL 60201 847.332.2788 home/fax 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net    
(back) Subject: ADMIN: Re: Nick's opinion of Wicks From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:44:02 -0500   Greetings, dear Pipechatters --   PLEASE, folks -- as has already been pointed out, we're riding a really fine line with this thread.   Thank you all for your civility so far. I'd just *love* it to stay that way?!! :-) :-)   I'd suggest that anyone wishing to further this thread should: a) stop before hitting the <send> button b) take a big deep breath c) re-read their message through from the beginning, one more time, to be truly certain it should be sent.   Thank you all -- now back to our regularly scheduled programming...   Tim Bovard Pipechat Co-Administrator   PS -- there's been some REALLY SLOPPY (non-) EDITING today.... :-( :-( = :-(        
(back) Subject: Re:Organ cost, quality, and bids From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:56:33 EDT   Seabstian said: (c) "There are too many factors. The best thing to do is research. After =   that, invite a handfull of respected organbuilders to look at the room, discuss your music program, and prepare designs, with prices, based upon = your needs. Then whittle the selection down to two or three, from which you make your final choice. Don't base your decision on price alone (on either end of = the spectrum). Once you have a design and builder chosen, the fundraising is = much easier, as you have definite plans to which your congregation is likely to =   respond." Usually, choice "c" is shot down, because the others are far more = vocal and have unlimited reserves of energy when it comes to defending their position. However, those who have actually taken the journey prescribed in =   option "c" often end up with a fine instrument -- as a result of actually putting = some thought and effort into the process, no matter how long it takes. Good organbuilders have worked with committees and consultants and = congregations that need to be educated, and are patient and more than willing to hold your hand through the process.       Having gone through the organ selection/contract process and now waiting = for the delivery, I can say from experience that Sebastian's option "C" is the =   ONLY way to go. We talked to 5 different builders, had literature, CD's, = visited organs installed in churches, I made trips to see installations WITHOUT representatives looking over my shoulder so I could see how the instrument = really is, talked to organists around the country to get their opinions, etc. Luckily, we didn't have a committee, the selection process was entrusted = to the Minister of Music and myself, so there was no education process to go = through, but in most cases, that is the time consuming part of the whole process. This = is a slow and laborious process and one that can not be taken lightly and can = not be done slowly. We ruled out a couple of builders very quickly because of =   the attitude that they would build us what they wanted to--not taking into =   consideration that our music ministry programs encompass music of from = pre-Bach to contemporary Gospel. One builder felt that we should only have two or = three sets of celestes (this is a Baptist church after all--we need those = celestes to bring people to Jesus!), but was going to load us up on mixtures. Needless = to say, they got marked off the list of builders. Another wanted us to hear three of their instruments, but we had to go one week after meeting with = their rep--it was as if it was a matter of life or death if we didn't. Then the =   matter of installation and voicing came up. It was all going to be done = in a matter of a few weeks--that didn't set well with me and I began to = question the quality of their work. After talking with other organists around the country, I got the same feedback--bland was usually the word used to describe the instruments. = This company was marked off the list.   It takes a lot of time doing research, educating onesself as to the = quality of workmanship, playing/hearing instruments, and even investigating the financial stability of the company. The hard work WILL pay off in the end. Lots of people have opinions, but unless someone has gone through the process of getting a new instrument, a = lot of their opinions are based on hearsay. Even as we were going through the selection process, I had organists telling me what the "average" cost per = rank should be. I had to remind them that we were doing things very = differently than the "average" organ...scales were going to be large, we were going to have = 32' Principals in the facade, our twin cherry and mahogany cases are going to = be 40' tall, and the organ is going to be divided on several levels. These = are factors that GREATLY increase the cost of the organ and up the average = price per rank.   Francesco and Piero Ruffatti have been wonderful to work with, as has our local representative Al Murrell from R. A. Daffer Church Organs. They've = worked with the team of architects designing the new building, the people at Kirkegaard and Associates doing our acoustical work, and our music staff. = If I have had questions, Francesco has answered anything I've asked. If he's had questions about my design, he's come right to me. We worked out a = fantastic specification because of our ability to dialogue, knowing that the final = result will be a world class instrument.   Contracting for a new pipe organ is a long process and is one that can not = be rushed. There is nothing average about it, it has to be done slowly and methodically, and with lots of education. When it's done well, there will = be great music made and the congregation will have great joy, but if it's = rushed, we all know what the end result will be...yet another mediocre instrument = that no one enjoys listening to or playing.   Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: Re: Making a Case for Wicks From: "Ray Ahrens" <ray_ahrens@msn.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:13:42 -0500   Could not copy the message to the digest, there was no plain text part
(back) Subject: Making a Case for Wicks (or not) From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:21:41 EDT   Harrumph! The Festival Trumpet cannot be heard above any rank on our = church pipe organ, and I KNOW it's not a Wicks. Schlicker built this instrument. = Who knows why it speaks so softly? Can't blame Wicks for this one. :-)   Stan Krider   In a message dated 4/27/2005 2:03:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com writes:     When the Festival Trumpet cannot be heard above the Oboe, I know = something is wrong. Forgive the rant, and forgive me for asserting my opinion on list. May I never report anything but fact again.