PipeChat Digest #5299 - Thursday, April 28, 2005
 
Re: Making a Case for Wicks
  by <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com>
Re: kleuker orgelbau?
  by <Seedlac@aol.com>
Re: When is a pipe organ not a pipe organ?
  by "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: WICKS ORGANS
  by "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com>
Re: Making a Case for Wicks
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: When is a pipe organ not a pipe organ?
  by "robertelms" <robertelms@westnet.com.au>
Re: How much would it cost?
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Monty's Ruffati
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Making a Case for Wicks
  by "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@charter.net>
Re: Making a Case for Advertising in TAO
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: How much would it cost?
  by "Mark Nelson" <mark.edward.nelson@gmail.com>
tongues of flame
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Finding Those Blower-Fire Posts
  by "Thurletta Brown-Gavins" <tmbrown@vance.net>
Re: tongues of flame
  by "Maurits Lamers" <maurits@weidestraat.nl>
Mrs Miller and trems.
  by "robertelms" <robertelms@westnet.com.au>
Re: tongues of flame
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: tongues of flame
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: tongues of flame
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Questions regarding the III/20 under construction
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: tongues of flame
  by "Larry McGuire" <larry@duntarvie.f2s.com>
Re: tongues of flame
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Making a Case for Wicks From: <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 05:14:04 EDT   In a message dated 4/27/2005 10:52:56 PM Central Standard Time, nicemusica@yahoo.com writes:   They both also seem to be saying "Look, we know we have bad pasts, but listen to us now!"       I'm not sure would I go that far to say they were "bad pasts", but consistent with the period, so many of the organs of the time by many = builders had thin scales, etc. It's just hard to get a warm sound out of screaming = mixtures and puny principals. And the sad thing is some builders have "got it" and =   continue to build those sounds and call it historic and informed. Yours, Darryl  
(back) Subject: Re: kleuker orgelbau? From: <Seedlac@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 05:31:58 EDT   Thanks for the reply about Kleuker. Steve  
(back) Subject: Re: When is a pipe organ not a pipe organ? From: "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:41:50 +0200   Maurits Lamers wrote: > I never actually heard such a hybrid organ, but I wouldn't classify it > as a pipe organ. > I think the term "pipe organ" should be reserved only for organs with > only pipes. Then what would a Wurlitzer be ;)?   -- Beste helsing / Best wishes / Beste Gr=FC=DFe / Bestu kvedjur   Jarle Fagerheim   jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk www: http://jarle.moo.no  
(back) Subject: Re: WICKS ORGANS From: "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:04:39 -0400   > *In fact, I know a few organists who could find something wrong with the= =20 way God handled the creation.*   **=20 There's nothing wrong with creation. . . God just should've created humans= =20 and THEN made light. We wanna be first! <g> NFR           On 4/28/05, Paul Valtos <chercapa@enter.net> wrote: >=20 > Dear Keith, > Well finally someone fills us in on the corrective action done to=20 eliminate customer complaints. Now if someone would only get a handle on th= e=20 use of some product (other than Perflex) to replace lambskin, that would=20 last 100 years we might have something. It is obvious that building pipe=20 organs is labor intensive but there must be a way that this can be reduced= =20 by the introduction of more intensive electrical/electronic action/modular= =20 building, etc.etc. Wood is good within pipes but I don;t think that it is= =20 necesarily great in actions, whether it be keying, stops or wind lines. > Paul >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Voicer40@aol.com=20 > To: ":pipechat"@pipechat.org <http://pipechat.org>=20 > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:47 PM > Subject: WICKS ORGANS >=20 > We have all read quite a few opinions, a few of which were written by=20 people who actually knew what they were actually saying. >=20 > Now, I would like to give you some FACTS. >=20 > In the 1970s, the Wicks Organ Company commissioned me to install about a= =20 dozen organs for them. During the installation, I often stood back and=20 admired the flawless materials used by Wicks in the construction. The lumbe= r=20 they used, and supplied me with which to make braces, was the finest lumber= =20 I have ever seen in any organ. Their casework was absolutely stunning, both= =20 in construction and in final appearance. There was not a hint of a knot=20 anywhere. >=20 > One organ which was dedicated in 1974 has never had a bottomboard removed= ..=20 The pastor, who was at the church at the time of the installation (and stil= l=20 is) told me that no other technician has ever touched the organ. This organ= =20 has given practically no trouble at all, and even though it is installed on= =20 two levels, stays incredibly in tune. >=20 > The direct electric action has been said to have bouncing magnets. There= =20 was a time that this was true. The organists complained about this, and the= =20 Wicks company knew that they had a problem. They had their engineering=20 department get on this matter and solved the problem by installing a diode= =20 on each magnet which allowed the large electrical buildup in the magnet coi= l=20 to go smoothly back into the positive rather than shock the magnet by havin= g=20 no place to go. At the same time, the burned contacts caused by the note=20 being played were solved by the diode eliminating the arcing at the contact= ..=20 Thus, Wicks killed two birds with one stone. From a voicer's point of view,= =20 I find nothing objectionable about the Direct Electric action. It has a goo= d=20 attack, and a soft, bounceless release. >=20 > Tonally, I decline to comment. If I were to issue an opinion, a number of= =20 fine organists would agree, and a number of fine organists would disagree,= =20 and we would have a raging contraversy (or thread) which would, as=20 Shakespeare wrote, "be full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." I will= =20 say simply, that neither the Wicks Organ Company, nor any other organ=20 builder will ever build an organ that pleases everyone. No matter what they= =20 do, someone is going to find something wrong with it. In fact, I know a few= =20 organists who could find something wrong with the way God handled the=20 creation. >=20 > Today we have a problem. The vast majority of churches have=20 guitar-twanging hootnannies in lieu of fine music programs, and have no use= =20 for organs. Many churches which have organs are selling them. There are=20 fewer organ majors in colleges, and retiring organ teachers are not being= =20 replaced, My own alma mater has completely eliminated the organ department= =20 and has sold the practice instruments. The organ program I knew is now only= =20 a memory. Furthermore, the prices of organs has gone through the ceiling.= =20 When I was an organ student in the early 1960s, $100,000 would buy a huge= =20 4-manual organ, Now you couldn't replace the console on one of those organs= =20 for $100,000. >=20 > We need to get behind our organ builders and support them and stop this= =20 rumor-spreading nonsense. The laity in the churches sometimes listen to=20 these "experts" and think they actually know what they are talking about.= =20 Baseless rumors can hurt the builders. Let's be careful!!! >=20 > D. Keith Morgan >=20 >=20       --=20 Nicholas F. Russotto Somers, Connecticut Organist, Holy Cross PNCC Enfield, Connecticut Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music=20 http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/monarch_of_music/  
(back) Subject: Re: Making a Case for Wicks From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:02:20 EDT   Desiree said regarding Wicks and Ruffatti: They both also seem to be saying "Look, we know we have bad pasts, but = listen to us now!"     Wicks says something similar to that in their advertisements, but Ruffatti =   doesn't say that at all, they let the organs speak for themselves. = Looking at the line up of major instruments that Ruffatti has in the factory, it = seems to be working... Waiting in the wings, there are two huge 5 manual organs, a =   couple of four manuals, and a four manual nearing completion on the = factory floor now. A huge five manual was just completed last year in Florida, as well = as a good sized three manual. None of Ruffatti's advertisements has had to = say "come listen to our new organs". They just announce the signing of major contracts or the installation of a new instrument. That the new organs = have been major successes are just a testament to the quality of the work coming = from the factory and the caliber of work that Francesco and Piero do and expect.   This work is all in addition to the additions and historic restorations = that the company does, so it keeps them all quite busy.     Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: Re: When is a pipe organ not a pipe organ? From: "robertelms" <robertelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:11:36 +0800   Well I play a pipe organ. It is undisputably a pipe organ. Look at all = those pipes! BUT....it has some pedal reeds that are electronic. It is still a pipe organ. Take away the pipe stops and you would have only pedal reeds = to play on; not much interest there for anyone - the manuals would not play anything. Take away the electronic reeds on the pedal and most people = would not notice the difference. The organ still plays with the pipes including the 16 foot pedal pipes. Stop splitting hairs! A pipe organ is a pipe organ even if it does have = some electronic stops.Noone can tell the reeds are electronic anyway. Bob Elms. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurits Lamers" <maurits@weidestraat.nl> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 4:07 PM Subject: Re: When is a pipe organ not a pipe organ?     Hello,   I never actually heard such a hybrid organ, but I wouldn't classify it as a pipe organ. I think the term "pipe organ" should be reserved only for =   organs with only pipes. All others (except of course the pure electronical ones) are hybrids.         -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 27/04/2005    
(back) Subject: Re: How much would it cost? From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:22:04 -0500   I once saw a blue organ in a practice room at a college back when I was in high school, but I couldn't tell you who built it - a little tracker with the whole case painted Robin's egg blue. I doubt it was a Fisk... I'm not sure if Fisk was even around back then...   N. Russotto wrote: > OH! Of course, Michael, thanks for reminding me. C.B. Fisk is another > builder high on my list, if a bit outlandish in some of their designs: > They built a blue organ. Didn't I hear Margo Dillard use that line? > Even so, nicely done :) > > NFR > > > On 4/26/05, Michael David <michaelandmaggy@comcast.net> wrote: > >>That really wasn't a specific question. You didn't indicate what sorts = of >>stops, action, tonal style, how much on-site voicing, the instrument's >>intended use, etc. etc. etc. >> >>I'm not a builder nor do I play one on TV but 14 ranks with minimal >>duplication is a very modest 2 manual organ - or is this to be a theater >>organ? All we really know is that no case is required. Are you = thinking >>Fisk, Reuter, or Hammond? >> >>Michael >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of >>Shirley >>Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:43 PM >>To: PipeChat >>Subject: Re: How much would it cost? >> >>Sorry, I must have a short memory. >> >>My apologies if my innocent, specific question inflamed anyone. >> >>--Shirley >> >>On 26 Apr 2005 at 15:37, Jim McFarland expounded: >> >> >>> >>>Listers: >>> >>>My 2 cents worth: >>> >>>Let's not go down this road again. >>> >>>The last time, it turned into a flame* war. It was not comfortable. >>> >>> >> >> >>****************************************************************** >>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >>List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >>List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >> >> >     -- Dr. Margo Dillard Organist, FUMC, Lewisville, TX Musical Feast Choral Society Dillard Piano & Organ Studio    
(back) Subject: Monty's Ruffati From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:24:50 EDT   In a message dated 4/28/2005 8:02:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, RMB10@aol.com writes:   None of Ruffatti's advertisements has had to say "come listen to our new organs".     this is true, but i have heard some real nasty ones.......they just have different advertising concepts....glad they are on the upswing. i know the = new one will be a grand affair. dale in Florida  
(back) Subject: Re: Making a Case for Wicks From: "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@charter.net> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:24:52 -0500   For the all-important advertising in organ journals (skip a month and see what people think of you), Wicks has done the same thing in the past, simply announce the signing of new contracts and installations. It doesn't do the trick if people assume they don't want to play them right off the bat. A new approach was designed, one of addressing the rumors and confronting those who would downplay Wicks' ability to build an organ without ever having gone out of their way to experience what actually might be happening, just as we've seen on this list!   Too bad I don't think a single sale has ever been traced to an American Organist advertisement, though. Brent Johnson ORGANLive - Music of the organ on demand   RMB10@aol.com wrote:   >Desiree said regarding Wicks and Ruffatti: >They both also seem to be saying "Look, we know we have bad pasts, but = listen >to us now!" > > >Wicks says something similar to that in their advertisements, but = Ruffatti >doesn't say that at all, they let the organs speak for themselves. = Looking at >the line up of major instruments that Ruffatti has in the factory, it = seems to >be working... Waiting in the wings, there are two huge 5 manual organs, = a >couple of four manuals, and a four manual nearing completion on the = factory floor >now. A huge five manual was just completed last year in Florida, as well = as >a good sized three manual. None of Ruffatti's advertisements has had to = say >"come listen to our new organs". They just announce the signing of major =   >contracts or the installation of a new instrument. That the new organs = have been >major successes are just a testament to the quality of the work coming = from the >factory and the caliber of work that Francesco and Piero do and expect. > >This work is all in addition to the additions and historic restorations = that >the company does, so it keeps them all quite busy. > > >Monty Bennett > >****************************************************************** >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Making a Case for Advertising in TAO From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:32:49 EDT   So true, biggest waste of ad dollars....but if you skip a month as you mentioned, then you are out of business and running off with money and in trouble = and so on. Amazes me that DIGI ads remain when they get pummeled as they do although =   the AGO and so on are quite happy to take the revenue. Glad to see the Guild starting to notice digis. Glad to see that new organs are being built and that people like The = Master, Sebastian are saving old ones. Why do we do this thing we do? dale in Florida  
(back) Subject: Re: How much would it cost? From: "Mark Nelson" <mark.edward.nelson@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:54:02 -0400   The first Fisk practice organ dates from 1961, Opus 31, for Wellesley=20 College which has been removed to the shop and is awaiting installation in = a=20 private residence in Stowe VT. You can see a similar instrument at=20 http://www.cbfisk.com/organs/op077A_01.html. The interior is painted "Fisk= =20 blue" which is pretty close to "robins' egg" blue. The exterior is oak, wit= h=20 mahogany trim, lightly stained. Nearly all Fisk organs 'till 1980 or so wer= e=20 painted this color on the interior (never on the exterior), and in some=20 places you can see this between the pipes and in Brustwerk interior=20 casework.=20 BTW, we'd probably take "outlandish" as a compliment ... Mark Nelson C. B. Fisk, Inc. Gloucester On 4/28/05, Margo Dillard <dillardm@airmail.net> wrote:=20 >=20 > I once saw a blue organ in a practice room at a college back when I was > in high school, but I couldn't tell you who built it - a little tracker > with the whole case painted Robin's egg blue. I doubt it was a Fisk... > I'm not sure if Fisk was even around back then... >=20 > N. Russotto wrote: > > OH! Of course, Michael, thanks for reminding me. C.B. Fisk is another > > builder high on my list, if a bit outlandish in some of their designs: > > They built a blue organ. Didn't I hear Margo Dillard use that line? > > Even so, nicely done :) > > > > NFR  
(back) Subject: tongues of flame From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:58:26 -0400   Dear Pipechatters: I am looking for an appropriate piece for organ to accompany a liturgical dance representing the flames of Pentecost. It should start softly and build to a whirling climax. Dubois' Fiat Lux is what I'm going with if i can't find something else. I thought Langlais might have done something along these lines, but haven't come across it yet. Any suggestions?   Randy Runyon Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio    
(back) Subject: Finding Those Blower-Fire Posts From: "Thurletta Brown-Gavins" <tmbrown@vance.net> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:02:32 -0300   I forwarded this week's initial blower-fire posts to my organ repairman who said he thought our blower was sealed and maintenance-free, but that he would check with Zephyr. I'd like to send the other follow-up posts from 4/25 or 4/26 (I think it was), but I trashed them after reading. = Went to the list website and these posts are apparently too "young" to be in the archives and I could find no way of locating them. Can someone please =   help? My subscription is by digest. Thanks, Thurletta Brown-Gavins >> ****************************************************************** >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >> >> > >      
(back) Subject: Re: tongues of flame From: "Maurits Lamers" <maurits@weidestraat.nl> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:05:36 +0200   Hi,   I haven't any idea what you mean by liturgical dance. Maybe being playing in a catholic church in the Netherlands has something to do with it ;-)   Maybe "Carillon de Westminster" by Vierne ?   greets   Maurits Lamers   On 28-apr-05, at 14:58, Randolph Runyon wrote:   > Dear Pipechatters: > I am looking for an appropriate piece for organ to accompany a > liturgical dance representing the flames of Pentecost. It should > start softly and build to a whirling climax. Dubois' Fiat Lux is what > I'm going with if i can't find something else. I thought Langlais > might have done something along these lines, but haven't come across > it yet. Any suggestions? > > Randy Runyon > Zion Lutheran Church > Hamilton, Ohio > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >    
(back) Subject: Mrs Miller and trems. From: "robertelms" <robertelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:12:55 +0800   Yes I remember Mrs Miller. Thankfully her popularity did not last long. I like my trems a little less violent than that. Bob Elms.     -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 27/04/2005    
(back) Subject: Re: tongues of flame From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:16:15 -0400   Liturgical dance is probably a uniquely American phenomenon, inspired by the Isadora Duncan scarf look. Try googling on the term and you will come up with a multitude of sites, e.g., http://home.att.net/~joseph.scullion/dance.html. It's a church lady thing. I recall teenage girls doing it circa 1962. It appears to be making a comeback. Our church hasn't done it before but some of our church ladies are very excited about it and plan to begin on Pentecost Sunday. I say, more power to them. After all, King David danced naked before the ark of the covenant. Thank God, they're not planning on going that far.   The Carillon de Westminster is a good idea, but I am looking for music specifically depicting flames, rather than something else like bells, as in the Carillon, or Genesis 1.3, in Fiat Lux.   Randy Runyon   On Apr 28, 2005, at 9:05 AM, Maurits Lamers wrote:   > Hi, > > I haven't any idea what you mean by liturgical dance. Maybe being > playing in a catholic church in the Netherlands has something to do > with it ;-) > > Maybe "Carillon de Westminster" by Vierne ? > > greets > > Maurits Lamers >    
(back) Subject: Re: tongues of flame From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:21:37 -0500   Larry King's "Fanfares for the Tongues of Fire" (Belwin) comes to mind, = but I haven't looked at it in a long time and don't know if it would work in your situation. IIRC, it was written for a new party horn at Riverside Church, NYC, and was IMO by far the best of the 4 pieces in the volume in which it was published.   Robert Lind   ----- Original Message ----- From: Randolph Runyon <runyonr@muohio.edu> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:58 AM Subject: tongues of flame     > Dear Pipechatters: > I am looking for an appropriate piece for organ to accompany a > liturgical dance representing the flames of Pentecost. It should start > softly and build to a whirling climax. Dubois' Fiat Lux is what I'm > going with if i can't find something else. I thought Langlais might > have done something along these lines, but haven't come across it yet. > Any suggestions?    
(back) Subject: Re: tongues of flame From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:28:42 -0400   Thanks! I'll track that one down.   Randy Runyon     On Apr 28, 2005, at 9:21 AM, Robert Lind wrote:   > Larry King's "Fanfares for the Tongues of Fire" (Belwin) comes to > mind, but > I haven't looked at it in a long time and don't know if it would work > in > your situation. IIRC, it was written for a new party horn at Riverside > Church, NYC, and was IMO by far the best of the 4 pieces in the volume > in > which it was published. > > Robert Lind > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Randolph Runyon <runyonr@muohio.edu> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:58 AM > Subject: tongues of flame > > >> Dear Pipechatters: >> I am looking for an appropriate piece for organ to accompany a >> liturgical dance representing the flames of Pentecost. It should >> start >> softly and build to a whirling climax. Dubois' Fiat Lux is what I'm >> going with if i can't find something else. I thought Langlais might >> have done something along these lines, but haven't come across it yet. >> Any suggestions? > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >    
(back) Subject: Re: Questions regarding the III/20 under construction From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:31:04 EDT   Two questions have been raised, and I'll try to answer them as best I can.   The 10-2/3' stop was at the insistence of the musician; I felt it was unnecessary in such an intimate setting. I intend to "break" it to 32' = pitch at C13. [sidebar: One of New York City's great organs, the original Casavant = at Rodeph Sholom, where my parents were married, had a 32' Double Diapason extension that was actually a largely-scaled 10-2/3' stopped wood = contraquint that played in the bottom octave with the 16' Open Wood. They faced each other = at 90 degrees in the corner of the chamber, and since it was purely tuned, and specifically scaled and finished for a single function, it made quite a = rumble. The Open Wood, solo, took over at C13. Despite my efforts to save the organ, = it was torn out and replaced by a stock model fake decades ago.] Regarding the 58-note compass, it was not a question of money, as the organ was commissioned by one of the wealthiest families in history. What = we could not afford was SPACE, especially for three notes that were unlikely = ever to be used. The pedal clavier extends the full compass simply because space = is not an issue in what is essentially a transmitted pedal department.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City http://www.glucknewyork.com/   ..  
(back) Subject: Re: tongues of flame From: "Larry McGuire" <larry@duntarvie.f2s.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:38:10 +0100   How about Stravinsky's Firebird???   Larry     -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 27/04/2005    
(back) Subject: Re: tongues of flame From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:40:07 -0400   Has that been transcribed for organ?   R. Runyon   On Apr 28, 2005, at 9:38 AM, Larry McGuire wrote:   > How about Stravinsky's Firebird??? > > Larry > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 27/04/2005 > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >