PipeChat Digest #5132 - Tuesday, February 1, 2005
 
voicing
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Hammond info
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Off-topic help needed
  by "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com>
Re: Pipe Organ web database advice?
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Please remove me
  by "John Jarvis" <jljarvis@comcast.net>
This week's MP3 - a mystery composer
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net>
Re: Organist and hymns
  by <Justinhartz@aol.com>
Re: Organist and hymns
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: This week's MP3 - a mystery composer
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Re: This week's MP3 - a mystery composer
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: Organist and hymns
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Organist and hymns
  by "jonkroepel" <jonkroepel@insightbb.com>
Re: This week's MP3 - a mystery composer
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: voicing From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:28:59 -0600   Voicing certainly makes a difference. I had a 1936 Moeller Artiste--and = it had the most beautiful Conical Diapason I have ever heard......it was one = of those ranks you could play all day and never tire of.   Artistes, of course, were not known to be top of the line instruments, but whoever did this one did a beautiful job. I do not know if it was in original condition or not........I know the locations of the previous installations, and I would suspect not, but that is only a guess.   I still miss that rank--the gedeckt and salicional were both fine, but not drop dead gorgeous!   Dennis Steckley Lover of Cats, Pipe Organs & 1940-65 Sewing Machines    
(back) Subject: Hammond info From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:40:02 -0600   If you google for "hammondtech," maybe you can locate the newsgroup by = that name or similar.......it seems to be the premier Hammond group.   In the meantime, don't oil the tone generator with anything but the proper Hammond tone oil. Yes, it IS still available from some sources.   Dennis Steckley Lover of Cats, Pipe Organs & 1940-65 Sewing Machines    
(back) Subject: Re: Off-topic help needed From: "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:06:16 -0500   At 08:20 PM 30/01/2005 -0600, Thomas Gregory wrote: >Can anyone suggest sources for information regarding maintenance, moving, >etc. for this instrument?   First off, congratulations on your new C3!! They're beautiful organs, and you've got every reason to feel like a very proud new dad = right now. 2 things you need to get started are a support community, and a source of written resource materials, so here's what I can help you with:   Before you make yourself visible to the regulars of alt.music.hammond-organ, you may wish to take a look at their general standard of behaviour and language. This group's permanent inhabitants = are those too nasty even to be tolerated on the Hamster list. Google provides =   usenet archives that are really handy for this. WARNING: the language in =   the following link IS NOT APPROPRIATE for this list. Please DO NOT CLICK if you are offended by 4 letter words, gross insults, or hateful attacks. http://groups.google.ca/groups?hl=3Den&lr=3Dlang_en&group=3Dalt.music.hammo= nd-organ   The next step up the food chain is Hamster out of www.zeni.net, proud home for individuals whose revolting behaviour has gotten them removed from respectable lists (and, of course, the people who enjoy watching that type of thing). A ton of newbies, many people pretending to =   be "experts" with no real knowledge, and a dozen or so who may have half a =   clue, but seem to prefer spending time being destructive. Their central figure, Michael Fulk, has been thrown off of 8 mailing lists that I know about (including 2 owned by our very own PipeChat admin, David). Hamster popped up as a new home for Mike when I finally gave up and threw him out of Hamtech in 1998. You can take a look at their recent level of conduct through their archives, and again....WARNING: the following link contains =   material NOT SUITED FOR PIPECHAT. Please DO NOT CLICK if you believe that =   you may be offended. http://www.zeni.net/pipermail/hammond/2005-January/date.html   Yahoo users and European Hammond owners tend to gravitate toward the relatively new Yahoo group The Hammond Zone, owned by the son of Hammond UK. This list is moderated (each post must be approved by = admins), and experiencing the typical "new admin" growing pains, but not inherently =   dangerous as the others. Newbies appear to feel quite at home there. http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/hammond_zone/ for more info = or to join.   This leaves Hamtech www.hamtech.org, which Tim pointed you to. I =   took over the reins 8 years ago, when it was the only Hammond list going. A bit of a Wild West environment when I joined, it's matured into = a friendly and well-behaved group without the need for a lot of admin intervention. Evidently we're doing something right, because the most noteworthy techs in the Hammond/Leslie community have stayed with us instead of going off to the mud fields. Admittedly, I'm going to appear biased, so you may want to check a trusted outside source. Both of our beloved PipeChat admins, David and Tim, are Hamtech members. :)   If you're interested in subscribing to Hamtech, just drop a note to admin@hamtech.org answering our standard intake questions "who are you, =   where are you, how'd you find us, and why do you want to be here?" I keep =   the information on file along with email headers in case anything goes wrong, but it's not seen by anyone else other than my co-admin, Lars Verholt (of www.captain-foldback.com). Generally, we prevent unknown new members from posting for a 2 week period, so that they can glance through the archives, observe the group, and get a feel for the accepted behaviour. An unusual practice, but it has an amazing success rate. New members referred by people we trust, or new members we have observed on other mailing lists usually are exempted from the waiting period. As long =   as flame wars don't break out, I'm happy. :)   Speaking of Lars' site, you'll want to take a look through there. Sooner or later, a Leslie will come into your life, and you'll = want to download schematics and/or an owners manual for it there.   There's a general FAQ at www.theatreorgans.com/hammond/faq/ that you should take a quick glance through. It's not always 100% accurate, so =   please don't take vital points as absolute gospel without verification = from a trusted source.   The most complete and useful source for searchable information is =   the Hamtech archives, but you'll need to subscribe for the server to allow =   you access. It's not a public list, and members' information is not hanging out in the breeze for every spambot to find.   2 immediate things you absolutely must know:   1) use only Hammond oil, not 3-in-1 or other substitute unless you'd like a large tech bill. Hammond oil is available through any reputable technician, or online through the wonderful guys at Goff Professional www.goffprof.com My 2 Hammond/Leslie pairs run through a finger-sized tube every 4 years or so, at a cost of about $5us. It's really not worth it to use something with the wrong viscosity and gum things up.   2) before you move this instrument more than 6", you need to lock =   down the tone generator. You'll find several bolts with top hat shaped washers protruding down through the wooden shelf below the generator. Remove the bolts, flip the hats over, and reinsert the bolts snugly to tighten the generator down onto the shelf. The idea is to keep the generator from flailing around on its spring suspension during = transit, which can rip off wires and cause impact damage to other components.   Don't worry if you don't have specific ROK (Roll-or-Kari) dollies =   for this instrument. My own instruments are moved with 50 year old appliance dollies...they weigh a ton, but they work beautifully and are very stable. You can likely rent these locally. Better yet, if you're just moving it to your home once, hire a pro and absolve yourself of liability. These beasts aren't light.   This organ is going to be 30+ years old, and will have some scratches. Peel the inner skin off of a piece of walnut and rub the scratch with the nut. The oil will darken the scratch down, and will likely be all you need to make it disappear. Leftover walnut pieces are always a good excuse for a batch of brownies. :)   Related trivia: if you can find a Hammond "synchronous" clock with the "Spin To Start" post on the back, they will run backwards just = the same as forwards, which is a neat party trick. I like putting one out backwards when new company drops in, just to see their reaction when they finally notice. Don't put your Hammond clock on your Hammond organ, though, or the organ will hum.   Now that you've read "War & Peace", you've more than earned some time looking at nice pictures. John Ledwon has the most amazing group of Hammond organ and Hammond clock pictures on his website, www.organhouse.com He even has a video clip of the rare automatic-dealing =   Hammond bridge table!   Welcome to the Hammond community, Thomas. If there's anything else you need, just yell. :)   Have fun! Ad ;-> Hammonds E & CV, Leslies 122 & 147      
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organ web database advice? From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:55:16 -0600   At 2:45 PM -0500 1/31/05, Don Sizemore wrote: > p.s. Am I reinventing the wheel? I couldn't find any lengthy >listings of instruments in North Carolina...   Don   Although the announcement of it is still a bit away, you are reinventing the wheel - the OHS Extant Organ database is in the process of being put on-line and will be made public some time later this year. There are a group of people working on the database preparing it for public release which will most likely be some time around the Annual OHS Convention. In the meantime may I suggest that you collect whatever information you can about organs in NC and then be prepared to add it to the OHS Database. There will be ways for the public to add and update the information in the database when it becomes public.   David  
(back) Subject: Please remove me From: "John Jarvis" <jljarvis@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:21:40 -0800   I can no longer put up with the off-topic topics and arguing among this group. Please remove me from the list.   John Jarvis    
(back) Subject: This week's MP3 - a mystery composer From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:38:10 -0800   I thought I'd have a little fun this week and see if y'all can guess this week's composer   http://evensongmusic.net/audio/Mystery.mp3   Enjoy!   -- Jonathan Orwig Evensong Music, Media and Graphics New Choral and Organ Music http://www.evensongmusic.net    
(back) Subject: Re: Organist and hymns From: <Justinhartz@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 00:46:45 EST   In the Anglican tradition, the organist/choirmaster leads the hymns. Having the hymns "conducted" is not only unnecessary, but a = distraction to those trying to worship. A fine organist leads and supports the singers, whether they are choir =   members or members of the congregation, without blasting them out of the = church. I've been to services where the organist "followed" the singers, with = the result that the hymn got slower and slower with each line -- a sign of = poor musicianship. Since not all services have the leadership of the choir, proper hymn playing is essential, no matter what denomination you are playing for.   Justin Hartz  
(back) Subject: Re: Organist and hymns From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:05:57 -0800 (PST)   Random blurbs on this post: At my church, they are used to certain things. Some things they did not = have for a long time until I brought them back. These include the Choir = processing, interludes during the procession, etc.   They are wonderful at singing hymns and very confident with it. They know = exactly when Im going to do something, and they know when to come back in = after 30-60 seconds of fanfares during "National Hymn" (LOL that was FUN = yesterday). One thing I learned while in an assistantship...never go with the = singers...they will certainly drag. As Justin said, a fine organist leads with good skill.     --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'
(back) Subject: Re: This week's MP3 - a mystery composer From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 14:13:07 +0800   I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm guessing it's _NOT_ Johann Strauss. := -)   Lovely music and well played; you've got me stumped.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: This week's MP3 - a mystery composer Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:38:10 -0800   > I thought I'd have a little fun this week and see if y'all can=20 > guess this week's composer >=20 > http://evensongmusic.net/audio/Mystery.mp3 >=20 > Enjoy! >=20 > -- Jonathan Orwig > Evensong Music, Media and Graphics > New Choral and Organ Music > http://www.evensongmusic.net   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: Re: This week's MP3 - a mystery composer From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 00:55:58 -0600 (Central Standard Time)   On 01/31/05 22:39:19 Jonathan Orwig wrote: -------Original Message------- I thought I'd have a little fun this week and see if y'all can guess this week's composer   My guess is Alec Wyton, who many years ago was at SJD in NYC.   Richard Schneider  
(back) Subject: Re: Organist and hymns From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 02:23:16 EST     In a message dated 2/1/05 12:06:35 AM, nicemusica@yahoo.com writes:     > They know exactly when Im going to do something, and they know when to com= e=20 > back in after 30-60 seconds=A0of fanfares during "National Hymn" =20 > As Justin said, a fine organist leads with good skill. >=20 >=20 > =20         Just 30 - 60 seconds? For that short of a fanfare, you really need to show= =20 them that the organ is powerful, and that you, as a fine organist with skill= ,=20 mean business- SO- be sure to use the swell battery and the chamades at 32,=20 16, 8, 4 , (dont forget the chamade quint either).       Gregory Ceurvorst 1921 Sherman Ave. #GS Evanston, IL 60201 847.332.2788 home/fax 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net  
(back) Subject: Re: Organist and hymns From: "jonkroepel" <jonkroepel@insightbb.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 01:35:32 -0600   What in the heck is a swell battery? Is it like a battery that you put = in your swell chests as back-up for the direct electric chests?   Jon Kroepel ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gfc234@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 1:23 AM Subject: Re: Organist and hymns       In a message dated 2/1/05 12:06:35 AM, nicemusica@yahoo.com writes:       They know exactly when Im going to do something, and they know when = to come back in after 30-60 seconds of fanfares during "National Hymn" =20 As Justin said, a fine organist leads with good skill.                 Just 30 - 60 seconds? For that short of a fanfare, you really need to = show them that the organ is powerful, and that you, as a fine organist = with skill, mean business- SO- be sure to use the swell battery and the = chamades at 32, 16, 8, 4 , (dont forget the chamade quint either).       Gregory Ceurvorst 1921 Sherman Ave. #GS Evanston, IL 60201 847.332.2788 home/fax 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net       -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -----     No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 1/28/2005  
(back) Subject: Re: This week's MP3 - a mystery composer From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 03:27:59 EST   My Guess:   Oliver Messian. It has a mystical quality.   Ron Severin