PipeChat Digest #5165 - Sunday, February 20, 2005
 
manuals only organ voluntaries
  by "Richard Ditewig" <rwditewig@msn.com>
Re: easter vigil music
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
sunrise services
  by "Merry Foxworth" <m.foxworth@verizon.net>
Re: easter vigil music
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: easter vigil music
  by "Dominic Scullion" <dominicscullion@email.com>
Re: sunrise services
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: sunrise services
  by "Dominic Scullion" <dominicscullion@email.com>
Restoration of American Organs
  by "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr>
Re: sunrise services
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: sunrise services
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Links are helpful... [Re: manuals only organ voluntaries]
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Ken Cowan in Jackson - how about it?
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: sunrise services
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Nixon at the organ
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
RE: easter vigil music
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
reed organs
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: ALTERNATE TUNES
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Re: easter vigil music
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Father Sydney Organ in Diocese of Wenchoster
  by <OrganNYC@aol.com>
RE: easter vigil music
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: Father Sydney Organ in Diocese of Wenchoster
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: Father Sydney Organ in Diocese of Wenchoster
  by "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@comcast.net>
RE: easter vigil music
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
RE: easter vigil music
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: sunrise services
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
RE: Father Sydney Organ in Diocese of Wenchoster
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Should've changed the Subject line [RE: sunrise services]
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
worshipping vs. gigging
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
 

(back) Subject: manuals only organ voluntaries From: "Richard Ditewig" <rwditewig@msn.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 08:13:18 -0800   James Woodman composed two volumes of well-crafted, reasonably short organ voluntaries. I highly recommend these for use on an organ of any size. Go to Mr. Woodman's site on the internet and from there you = can go to the "Six Partitas for Organ".   Richard Ditewig
(back) Subject: Re: easter vigil music From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 12:28:28 EST   In a message dated 2/19/05 8:55:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, Justinhartz@aol.com writes:   > I'd much rather play for Vigil than sunrise!   i don't do sunrise services. whenever i interview for a job, i ask if the =   church does them, and if they do, then i usually terminate the interview = very shortly afterward.   scot  
(back) Subject: sunrise services From: "Merry Foxworth" <m.foxworth@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:02:54 -0500   Isn't that kind of shooting yourself in the foot? Suppose you liked the = job in other respects? If that one thing were so objectionable, perhaps = you could arrange upfront for a sub to do it. You might be denying = yourself some good opportunities. Merry   "i don't do sunrise services. whenever i interview for a job, i ask if = the church does them, and if they do, then i usually terminate the = interview very shortly afterward. scot"   =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:-=20   An excerpt from Robert Giddings "Musical Quotes and Anecdotes", published in Longman Pocket Companions:=20 "There let the pealing organ blow,=20 To the full-voiced choir below,=20 In service high, and anthems clear,=20 As may with sweetness, through mine ear,=20 Dissolve me into ecstasies,=20 And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes".=20 John Milton - Il Penseroso (1632).=20   Merry Foxworth Open Door Realty=20 Boston, MA 02131 =20 617 469-4888 x207 877 865-1703 toll free http://www.opendoorrlty.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: easter vigil music From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:14:28 +0000   On 2/20/05 5:28 PM, "BlueeyedBear@aol.com" <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> wrote:   > i don't do sunrise services. whenever i interview for a job, i ask if = the > church does them, and if they do, then i usually terminate the interview = very > shortly afterward.   Good 4 u.   Alan  
(back) Subject: RE: easter vigil music From: "Dominic Scullion" <dominicscullion@email.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:16:40 -0000   Why do you find I preferable to play vigil services?     _____   From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of = Alan Freed Sent: 20 February 2005 14:14 To: PipeChat Subject: Re: easter vigil music     On 2/20/05 5:28 PM, "BlueeyedBear@aol.com" <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> wrote:   i don't do sunrise services. whenever i interview for a job, i ask if the church does them, and if they do, then i usually terminate the interview very shortly afterward.     Good 4 u.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: sunrise services From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:18:48 +0000   On 2/20/05 6:02 PM, "Merry Foxworth" <m.foxworth@verizon.net> wrote:   > Isn't that kind of shooting yourself in the foot? Suppose you liked the = job > in other respects? If that one thing were so objectionable, perhaps you = could > arrange upfront for a sub to do it. You might be denying yourself some g= ood > opportunities.   That=B9s true. But, if I were an organist, I=B9d do the same as Jon. Not because of that one thing, but because the existence of that one thing woul= d be a signal to me that this congregation simply has a different vision of what worship IS than I have and enjoy.   Alan  
(back) Subject: RE: sunrise services From: "Dominic Scullion" <dominicscullion@email.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:22:36 -0000   That is of course if you're an organist who is also there for worship. Plenty are simply to there to play the instrument.   D.S.     _____   From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of = Alan Freed Sent: 20 February 2005 14:19 To: PipeChat Subject: Re: sunrise services     On 2/20/05 6:02 PM, "Merry Foxworth" <m.foxworth@verizon.net> wrote:   > Isn't that kind of shooting yourself in the foot? Suppose you liked the job > in other respects? If that one thing were so objectionable, perhaps you could > arrange upfront for a sub to do it. You might be denying yourself some good > opportunities.   That's true. But, if I were an organist, I'd do the same as Jon. Not because of that one thing, but because the existence of that one thing = would be a signal to me that this congregation simply has a different vision of what worship IS than I have and enjoy.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Restoration of American Organs From: "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:24:12 +0200   David E Wallace and Co, of Gorham, Maine, American Pipe Organ Builders and =   Restorers sent us a link to their website today, http://www.wallacepipeorgans.com/ It is a well illustrated site showing their commitment to quality, historic American instruments and education. The site speaks for itself, but it is interesting for those of who are not =   so aware of current American organ building and builders to learn of the wealth and variety of instruments in the U.S.   John Foss http://www.organsandorganistsonline.com/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop/        
(back) Subject: Re: sunrise services From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:26:07 +0000   On 2/20/05 7:22 PM, "Dominic Scullion" <dominicscullion@email.com> wrote:   > That is of course if you=B9re an organist who is also there for worship.   Granted. Totally.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: sunrise services From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:47:34 -0500     On Feb 20, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Dominic Scullion wrote:   > That is of course if you=92re an organist who is also there for = worship.=20 > Plenty are simply to there to play the instrument. > > D.S. > > =A0   Some of us organists might be there to worship, but find we can't for=20 one reason or another, such as the fact that the church where we play=20 is actually a social club disguised as a church. Or that it is in the=20=   grip of a heresy. No reference need be inferred to any church with=20 which I am acquainted, I'm just sayin'.   Randy Runyon=  
(back) Subject: Links are helpful... [Re: manuals only organ voluntaries] From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 03:57:07 +0800     http://www.thorpemusic.com/woodma01.html ???   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Ditewig" <rwditewig@msn.com> To: pipechat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: manuals only organ voluntaries Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 08:13:18 -0800   >=20 > James Woodman composed two volumes of well-crafted, reasonably short > organ voluntaries. I highly recommend these for use on an organ of > any size. Go to Mr. Woodman's site on the internet and from there you can > go to the "Six Partitas for Organ". >=20 > Richard Ditewig       -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: Ken Cowan in Jackson - how about it? From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:53:47 -0600   I have not had a chance to go to an organ recital all year, missing Richard Morris in January and now Ken in February. But David Scribner was in Jackson Friday night - tell us - how was it?   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Re: sunrise services From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 04:00:56 +0800   And that's reason enough to leave. Been there, done that.     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>   > Some of us organists might be there to worship, but find we can't=20 > for one reason or another, such as the fact that the church where=20 > we play is actually a social club disguised as a church. Or that=20 > it is in the grip of a heresy. No reference need be inferred to=20 > any church with which I am acquainted, I'm just sayin'. >=20 > Randy Runyon   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: Nixon at the organ From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:04:01 -0500   I heard something funny on my local public radio station yesterday. It was that President Nixon once said his lifelong dream, never fulfilled, was to one day play on a cathedral organ. He was a pianist of sorts, you may recall.   Randy Runyon    
(back) Subject: RE: easter vigil music From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:21:49 +1300   >i don't do sunrise services. =A0whenever i interview for a job, i ask = if the church does them, and if they do, then i usually terminate the interview very shortly afterward. =20 What is a "sunrise service"?   Ross    
(back) Subject: reed organs From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:25:47 +1300   Our organists' association had fun on Saturday. In the middle of an organ crawl we went to a reed organ museum where there are about 50 instruments packed into a smallish ex-church hall. At one stage we had 48 instruments all playing the one hymn at the same time.   All sorts of makes there, both pressure and suction: Alexandre, = Christophe, Sherlock-Manning, Karn, Estey, John Holt, Spencer, all kinds.   What an awful noise - but I'd be part of it again if I could!   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: ALTERNATE TUNES From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 04:38:38 +0800   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>   > > I do wish though that Americans would see the light and ditch that > > dreary dirge HAMBURG and embrace instead the magnificent (and > > heart-lifting) tune ROCKINGHAM; >=20 > How sad that some folks do not recognize the excellence of Lowell Ma= son > tunes, including "Hamburg." It is a come-and-go, on-again/off-again affa= ir > with his tunes, but their enduring qualities rightfully carve out their > solid place in the repertoire. I don't sense any less attractive about t= hem > than about many a psalter tune.   HAMBURG, as we know it, is Mason's arrangement of a Gergorian Chant. I find= it to be a stiring piece and cannot think of a better melody for "When I S= urvey the Wonderous Cross." As for ROCKINGHAM OLD, I'm not much for dancing= waltzes in church. Then again tastes are subjective and the English can ha= ve their ROCKINGHAM OLD. I'll throw me a tea party! :-)   > > and that Lutherans would please stop referring to CHESTERFIELD when th= ey > really mean RICHMOND! >=20 > Point well made. >=20 > Karl E. Moyer > Lancaster PA   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: Re: easter vigil music From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:38:44 -0500   Gee, I guess it must be a purely American thing. Thanks, Ross, for=20 reminding us of how provincial we can sometimes be. An Easter sunrise=20=   service is held at dawn outside, often in a park, where the sun can be=20=   seen when it first peeps over the horizon on Easter Sunday. It's =20 invariably cold as hell and I can recall, though not with much=20 fondness, trying to play a horrid little electronic, if such a term is=20=   a propos for 1962, while wearing gloves and shivering on a hill=20 overlooking the Ohio River. The post-service big breakfast spread, in=20=   warmer surroundings, was always a treat, though. Scripture about the=20 women in the garden and the empty tomb and the angel is read, and hymns=20=   are attempted to be sung. This is the low-church version. Don't know=20=   if Episcopals do this alfresco as we did.   Randy Runyon     On Feb 20, 2005, at 3:21 PM, TheShieling wrote:   >> i don't do sunrise services. =A0whenever i interview for a job, i ask=20=   >> if the > church does them, and if they do, then i usually terminate the=20 > interview > very shortly afterward. > > What is a "sunrise service"? > > Ross > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >    
(back) Subject: Father Sydney Organ in Diocese of Wenchoster From: <OrganNYC@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:50:43 EST   A choir member brought my attention to the most fascinating website for = the Diocese of Wenchoster. List members might wish to read about the = cathedral's historic Father Sydney organ of 1845, the bells, and the cathedral's long = and somewhat strange history. http://www.dioceseofwenchoster.co.uk/ Steve Lawson - NYC  
(back) Subject: RE: easter vigil music From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:14:16 +1300     >Gee, I guess it must be a purely American thing. Thanks, Ross, for reminding us of how provincial we can sometimes be. An Easter sunrise service is held at dawn outside, often in a park,   Thanks for the reply. I seem to remember now that there was an ecumenical one of those some years ago here in the Wellington area, on a hill overlooking the city, and that there were about 5000 present.   It's certainly not a regular thing here.   Why would anyone not want to be music director where such a thing was = held? Is it because of the theology behind it, or the fact that there is one service a year at dawn, or why? Seriously, I'm curious.   For my part, as a retired Anglican vicar who is also an organist, I'm = happy to fit in and help out wherever possible, in whatever capacity, and I = never get a cent for my services except at weddings or funerals. This last week, for example, I was scheduled to play the 1m Ahlborn-Galanti at St Peter's (we have 3 churches in the parish) but then got a phone call on the = Thursday to ask if I'd preach at 8am at St Paul's as well. On arriving there, I discovered, at 30seconds to 8am, that the organist scheduled to play = hadn't turned up, so I was asked by the Vicar to play (2m 14-yr-old Allen), as = the clergy and assistants came in. Sure, no problem. It meant sightreading the hymns and having to improvise everything else, but that's the way it is.   Believe me, I know from experience and many tales related to me that = clergy can be prima donnas, but so can organists, demanding fees when they're not actually playing, refusing to sightread anything, insisting on choosing = the hymns, demanding huge sums of money for an organ that is too big or not in need of a rebuild, refusing to take part in certain kinds of music, all = that and more.   I believe that if we're given some kind of talent, it is a privilege to = use it in worship to assist the Church, be that talent (however modest) in preaching, taking the prayers, singing, playing an instrument of some = mind, whatever it is. Yes, there are some lucky few who are professionals, but = in this country at least the vast number of organists are not. For my part, I play for about 80 services a year, celebrate Holy Communion about 25 to 30 times, and preach on another dozen occasions, assist in seminars of = various kinds and at church fairs, lead study groups for the regular meeting of = the house group leaders, and I never get paid half a cent for my skills, time = or even a petrol allowance. No, I'm not a saint, but I do believe that all of us in the Church need to give if the Church is to be the church and a business organisation. And please, don't quote the bit about the labourer being worthy of his hire unless you're also demanding pay for the church cleaners, the florists, the layreaders, the music group and all the rest.   Sorry about the diatribe, but I'd be interested to hear the feelings of others.   I'm not criticising people who don't want to take a particular organ job because of what is involved, as the choice needs to be made before taking = up office. But for those of us who are already members of a particular parish and where there is no nearby alternative to go to, our outlook to the work of the parish needs to be rather different. Quite honestly, I find it marvellous to be still asked, as a pensioner nowadays, to assist so much, = as I know some clergy and musicians just give up and never ever do anything again when they retire to a parish somewhere, or are just plain not wanted for anything at all.   End of spiel :-)   Ross    
(back) Subject: RE: Father Sydney Organ in Diocese of Wenchoster From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:16:17 +1300   >A choir member brought my attention to the most fascinating website for = the Diocese of Wenchoster. List members might wish to read about the = cathedral's historic Father Sydney organ of 1845, the bells, and the cathedral's = long and somewhat strange history.=20 =A0 Never heard of the place. Do you mean "Winchester"? If you do, I presume = you mean "Father Willis"?   Ross (from 13,000 miles away from Winchester)    
(back) Subject: RE: Father Sydney Organ in Diocese of Wenchoster From: "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:24:45 -0600   I believe the technical term is "joke".   Michael - no closer to Wenchoster, but at least it stopped snowing       -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of TheShieling Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 3:16 PM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: Father Sydney Organ in Diocese of Wenchoster   >A choir member brought my attention to the most fascinating website for = the Diocese of Wenchoster. List members might wish to read about the = cathedral's historic Father Sydney organ of 1845, the bells, and the cathedral's = long and somewhat strange history.=20 =A0 Never heard of the place. Do you mean "Winchester"? If you do, I presume = you mean "Father Willis"?   Ross (from 13,000 miles away from Winchester)        
(back) Subject: RE: easter vigil music From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 05:37:19 +0800   The whole of the congregation (or at least two individuals and the pastor) = get up well before the crack of dawn, find a nice cold and damp municipal p= ark and have a worship service. If the authorities find out first (separati= on of church and state and tax-exempt dollars), they'll move their service = to outside their church building becuase the deacon with the keys to the bu= ilding won't let 'em in until a reasonable hour.   -- Jan (not a morning person)     Matthew 25:9-11 (NIV)   9. =91No,=92 they replied, =91there may not be enough for both us and you. = Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.=92 10. But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived= .. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And t= he door was shut. 11. Later the others also came. =91Sir! Sir!=92 they said. =91Open the door= for us!=92=20     ----- Original Message ----- From: TheShieling <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: RE: easter vigil music Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:21:49 +1300   >=20 > > i don't do sunrise services. whenever i interview for a job, i ask if = the > church does them, and if they do, then i usually terminate the interview > very shortly afterward. >=20 > What is a "sunrise service"? >=20 > Ross >=20 >=20 > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>       -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: RE: easter vigil music From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:42:11 +1300   Sorry for typo. I meant to put (the missing word I've added in capitals) - = -     >I do believe that all of us in the Church need to give if the Church is to be the church and NOT a business organisation.   Ross    
(back) Subject: RE: sunrise services From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:42:20 -0000   Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "sunrise service"? I assume it must be = a service held at sunrise, but when, and why?   Will Light Coventry UK   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of = Jan Nijhuis Sent: 20 February 2005 20:01 To: PipeChat Subject: Re: sunrise services   And that's reason enough to leave. Been there, done that.     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>   > Some of us organists might be there to worship, but find we can't > for one reason or another, such as the fact that the church where > we play is actually a social club disguised as a church. Or that > it is in the grip of a heresy. No reference need be inferred to > any church with which I am acquainted, I'm just sayin'. > > Randy Runyon   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm     ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>    
(back) Subject: RE: Father Sydney Organ in Diocese of Wenchoster From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 05:47:34 +0800   What gave it away? The ancient relic of the "holy (holey) hankie" or the an= imated GIF of Sisyphus pushing his rock?     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@comcast.net>   >=20 > I believe the technical term is "joke". >=20 > Michael - no closer to Wenchoster, but at least it stopped snowing   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: Should've changed the Subject line [RE: sunrise services] From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 05:53:38 +0800   My original reply (reason enough to leave ... been there, done that) was di= rected at the line "the church where we play is actually a social club disg= uised as a church."   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> > Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "sunrise service"? I assume it must be= a > service held at sunrise, but when, and why? >=20 > Will Light > Coventry UK   >> And that's reason enough to leave. >> Been there, done that.   >>> Some of us organists might be there to worship, but find we can't=20 >>> for one reason or another, such as the fact that the church where=20 >>> we play is actually a social club disguised as a church. Or that=20 >>> it is in the grip of a heresy. No reference need be inferred to=20 >>> any church with which I am acquainted, I'm just sayin'. >>> >>> Randy Runyon -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: worshipping vs. gigging From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:05:33 -0500     On Feb 20, 2005, at 4:53 PM, Jan Nijhuis wrote:   > My original reply (reason enough to leave ... been there, done that) > was directed at the line "the church where we play is actually a > social club disguised as a church." > >   In reply to your suggestion that that would be a good time to leave, i'd like to raise the question, why does one have to worship in the church where one spends one's Sunday mornings? Not that there are any Tuesday morning services anywhere else, though that would be nice. But some of us don't have the luxury of getting everything we want available in the same package. If it were me, I'm not sure but that if I had to put two children through college and the pay at the church where I played was extremely good, and the organ was fine, and the opportunity was there to make good music, I would just stay put.   Randy Runyon