PipeChat Digest #5170 - Tuesday, February 22, 2005
 
RE: Organ Voluntaries
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Re: Finances
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
RE: Organ Voluntaries
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Martinson Piece
  by "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Organ Voluntaries...how do you plan yours?
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Felix Aprahamian remembered by David Liddle
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Preachers List-ers
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Re: Preachers List-ers
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
RE: Preachers List-ers
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: alan and sunrise service
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Preachers List-ers
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: alan and sunrise service
  by "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
Re: sunrise services
  by "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Organ Voluntaries From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:15:34 -0500   Looking at the things I've played so far this year, 4 were new, 2 recycled from last year, 8 from 2 years ago, and 6 from 3 or more years ago. If enough people rave about a piece, it certainly becomes an annual number, but I wouldn't want to repeat anything much sooner than that.v   =20   =20   =20   ________________________________   From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of M Fox Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 8:57 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Organ Voluntaries   =20   >Personally I find this practice rather unusual. I find it better to rotate between twenty or so voluntaries and play them for six >months then find another twenty and do the same. This way I find the congregation has a sense of familiarity with the music >and many enjoy hearing pieces they already know..   =20   Like many others, I keep track on a computer database (and I track hymns on another sheet). I'm not sure I have a very good reason for my practice, but I repeat some (not too many) favorites every year, and most every two years or so. Looking at the things I've played so far this year, 4 were new, 2 recycled from last year, 8 from 2 years ago, and 6 from 3 or more years ago. If enough people rave about a piece, it certainly becomes an annual number, but I wouldn't want to repeat anything much sooner than that.   =20   MAF    
(back) Subject: Re: Finances From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:26:53 -0600   Hello, PipeChatters: =20 I am one of those who lived just above the poverty=20 line much of my life, and living on Welfar. . . oops,=20 Social Security and organ sales, keeps me wondering=20 what tomorrow will bring? No two days are alike. <g> =20 If anything were to really go wrong,=20 > people with ANY future earning power whatsoever would be forced=20 > to work out a payment schedule with say, a credit card company,=20 > on a reduced scale but the company could CONTINUE to charge=20 > interest and fees. One could be paying down a debt one could never=20 > pay off, for interest and fees.   In my opinion, THAT would be a modern version=20 of debtor's prison. =20 F. Richard Burt =20 =20 ..
(back) Subject: RE: Organ Voluntaries From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:45:26 -0500   * Like many others, I keep track on a computer database (and I track hymns on another sheet). I'm not sure I have a very good reason for my practice, but I repeat some (not too many) favorites every year, and most every two years or so.   =20   =20   I had things so well in hand with various manual methods - 3x4 cards, notebooks, lists, color-coded dots etc, in the 1960s-70s that 25 years of trying to redo it all on the computer and catch up with new purchases has left me way behind. I wish that I had kept up with the old methods better rather than trusting that the efficiencies of the computer would get everything converted and up to date. History is littered, after all, with businesses that plunged headlong into automation and didn't find it the promised bed of roses. Programming the computer is great fun to me, as crossword puzzles are for other people, but data entry takes a stupefying amount of time even after we've got that hypothetical 'Perfect System' designed, coded, and debugged. =20   =20   For general free pieces, I have maintained a file of tabbed sections for various schools of composition, with one 3x5 card per composition, to keep track of the good music that I know (or once knew). Sections for Renaissance/Baroque English, Renaissance/Baroque French, etc., up to modern American, German, etc. Bach has his own section. When I pick a piece, I mark the date on the card and move the card to the back of the section. It's easily four or five years before the first card shows up in front again. When it's time for a piece from a given school, if there is nothing suitable within the first few cards of (e.g., they're all preludes or Communion voluntaries and I need a postlude) then I browse in the library itself-which is also classified by school of composition-for something new. This system no longer makes me learn new music as much as it should, but on the other hand if repertoire once studied is good in the first place, one doesn't want to forget it.   =20   =20   =20    
(back) Subject: Martinson Piece From: "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:56:08 -0600   Hi! Several folks asked about the piece "God So Loved the World" by Joel Martinson for SA choir and organ that I mentioned in my music list for last week. The piece is published by Concordia, Copyright 1993, #98-3098. According to the information at the top of the first page, it is from the cantata "Salvation unto Us Has Come," commissioned by the Association of Lutheran Church Musicians for their National Convention, Atlanta 1991. It is dedicated to Bruce Bengston, organist.     Blessings, Beau Surratt Director of Music and Organist First United Lutheran Church, ELCA 6705 Hohman Ave. Hammond, IN 46324      
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Voluntaries...how do you plan yours? From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:03:43 -0500   I recently rounded out my collection of the complete Rheinberger organ=20=   sonatas by a purchase from the Organ Historical Society, and at the=20 rate of one a month that will take me the greater part of two years. I=20=   like the notion of alternating baroque and romantic preludes. So first=20=   and third Sundays are Rheinberger, Mendelssohn, Franck, Dubois,=20 Boellmann, Gigout, Widor, Vierne (my definition of romantic is pretty=20 broad) etc., and second and fourth are Bach, Buxtehude, and company. =20 My offertories have to be short, so ideal for that are Rheinberger=20 trios and character pieces, and Duos, Trios, Basse et Dessus de=20 Trompette, etc, from the French baroque. At the moment I'm doing a lot=20=   of Leb=E8gue, but there's also Cl=E9rambault, Couperin, Grigny, du Mage,=20=   Boyvin, etc.. If I do the first two movements of a Rheinberger sonata=20 for the prelude then I'll do the final one for the postlude. =20 Otherwise, a French toccata, or if it's a Sunday I'm doing a big Bach=20 Prelude or Toccata for the prelude, then I'll do the Fugue for the=20 postlude. There's so much great music out there at the present time I=20=   don't feel inclined to play hymn arrangements, though I often do them=20 (e.g, Dale Wood) during Communion, which lasts up to ten minutes. =20 Maybe try improvising a bit at that time as well. I wish I could=20 transfer my piano improvising skills to the organ. We have a Saturday=20=   late afternoon service for which I play our grand piano, and improvise=20=   both the offertory and the communion music, either on a hymn tune or on=20=   a tune I think up at the moment. I'm totally at ease doing that at the=20=   piano, because I do it at home too, but am not so at ease trying it on=20=   the organ. Different style, of course, too.   One could go either way: (a) try to make everything aim toward the=20 same message in a service with hymns, scripture, anthem, and organ=20 music on the same theme, or (b) be more catholic and diverse every=20 Sunday, touch more than one base. I tend to think of option (a) as a=20 little too influenced by PR techniques (hammer home that message!). =20 This coming Sunday, though, I'm doing option (a). It will come from=20 the gospel reading about Jesus meeting the woman at the well (remember=20=   the great Peter, Paul, and Mary song on that?). The anthem will be my=20=   own setting of "God Is a Spirit" (and those worship him must worship in=20=   spirit and in truth, for the time cometh, etc., etc.,) and the=20 offertory will be my baritone singing a solo of mine called "Come to=20 the Fountain" (Come to the fountain of love and light; / Come to the=20 waters free. / The Lord has established our delight, / Flowing=20 abundantly. / Refrain: Never be thirsty again. / Welcome as gentle=20 rain: / Come to the fountain of love=92s delight. V. 2: All those who=20=   thirst shall be satisfied; / All who seek life shall live. / For God=20 our salvation shall provide, / Eternal life shall give. / (Refrain) /=20 V. 3: Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, / Call on him when he=92s=20=   near / His mercies and goodness shall abound / Ever from year to year.=20=   / (Refrain)"). I'm thinking of doing Percy Fletcher's Fountain Reverie=20=   for the prelude and something from Handel's Water Music for the=20 postlude. I may have to take my umbrella.   Randy Runyon=  
(back) Subject: Felix Aprahamian remembered by David Liddle From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:18:40 -0500   Dear Pipe Chatters and Pipe Orglers,   David Liddle, Organist of London, writes:   "I have attempted to write some reminiscences of my dear friend, Felix Aprahamian, who died in January."   To those of us who knew Felix and also to those who did not, this is a wonderful, touching, and very personal memoir by one who knew Felix as = well as anyone, over the last twenty years. You can find it and much more at David's Website: www.davidliddle.org There, you will find also a few pictures of Felix. As David says, Felix's grandfather was Archbishop of Smyrna. I recall Felix saying: "My grandfather was Archbishop of Smyrna, = but I have the face of a thousand rabbis." See for yourself.   Felix came to the U.S. to speak to a number of AGO chapters - I would have =   to dig deep to tell what year that was. He spoke to the NYC Chapter at = what was then Listmember Harold Stover's church in Manhattan. He spoke to chapters in Central New Jersey, at Princeton, and also separately to students and faculty at Westminster Choir College. I recall one memorable visit to the Pittsburgh Chapter, a member of which was a magnificent = Russian cook. What a meal we had before the talk! Felix, on that occasion, was persuaded to tell a few stories he had withheld from other places! We had the great pleasure of staying at the home of Anne Labounsky. While Felix = was in North Carolina, Fred Hohman, who was living there then, found a relatively quiet moment to record a cassette of Felix telling some of his fascinating stories, and these were on sale through his Pro Organo label, back in the Cassette days. I wonder if the original is still around. I = have a single copy - somewhere.   Please do stop in at David's website. I know you will find his memories of =   Felix Aprahamian fascinating and moving to read. There is also much else = on the site that will be of interest. www.davidliddle.org   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com      
(back) Subject: Re: Preachers List-ers From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:38:59 +0800   .... and this is a bad thing???   Surely there are times when a minister/pastor/preacher doesn't have time or= the inclination to prepare a sermon. Fine, there are plenty of "canned" se= rmons from many sources out there to use ... doing so weekely and always fr= om the same source is another matter all together.   It's like rotating between the same three choral anthems all year long. Or = overplaying Preludes/Postludes ... see the other thread topic.   (Hey, Pastor Mike, are you out there? It truly was a good and original serm= on on chruch discipline this week! [2 Thes. 3:6-15])=20     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ned Benson" <nbenson@stjohnschurch.org>   > I don't want to enter any fray about preaching, canned or otherwise, but > do want to caution Listers that some ministers do read this List and you = never > know who knows whom. >=20 > -- Dr. Ned H. Benson > St. John's Presbyterian Church > 1070 West Plumb Lane > Reno, Nevada 89509 > http://www.stjohnschurch.org   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: Re: Preachers List-ers From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:57:56 -0500   I wish a certain preacher I know would just download all his sermons from the net, as long as they were excellent, or better still, go to the library and copy out some by Reinhold Neibuhr and Harry Emerson Fosdick and deliver those.   Randy Runyon     On Feb 21, 2005, at 10:38 PM, Jan Nijhuis wrote:   > ... and this is a bad thing??? > > Surely there are times when a minister/pastor/preacher doesn't have > time or the inclination to prepare a sermon. Fine, there are plenty of > "canned" sermons from many sources out there to use ... doing so > weekely and always from the same source is another matter all > together. >    
(back) Subject: RE: Preachers List-ers From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:23:19 +1300   >I wish a certain preacher I know would just download all his sermons from the net, as long as they were excellent, or better still, go to the library and copy out some by Reinhold Neibuhr and Harry Emerson Fosdick and deliver those.   Randy, Just send me a huge cheque and I'll supply you with all the sermons you = can cope with. :-) :-) :-)   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: alan and sunrise service From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 00:02:01 +0000   On 2/21/05 2:25 AM, "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> wrote:   > Either you are psychic or you have an exceptionally narrow view of worshi= p!   Pastor: Not the former. Possibly, with some limitations, the latter.   What I meant to say I wrote better (but NOT more effectively), to another list to wit:   If I want a job, and I want it NOW, I=B9d take even a less-than-ideal one (an= d then keep looking around). Laziness or arrogance could not be a reason for eschewing a sunrise service.   But if I=B9m looking for a good church job, and hoping to STAY there for a good while (terrific pastor, fine organ, excellent social conscience in the parish, delightful architecture, friendly people), it would be important to me that =B3their=B2 style of (or taste in) worship and mine are SOMEwhat alike. (Otherwise, I won=B9t like them terribly, and I won=B9t find them crazy about ME!) =20   In short, it would be guaranteed to continue as a frustrating and ongoing tension between me and pastor and worship committee. We just wouldn=B9t have the same vision about the whole enterprise. (Does that make sense? I don=B9t want to make a big deal out of it. But I do think it=B9s a reality.)   If a congregation listed their schedule with monthly communion, nothing on Christmas Day, had never heard of Epiphany or Ascension services, did the Tre Ore on Good Friday, never had Easter Vigil, but had a really wonderful Sunrise Service, and its two biggest services of the year were Mother=B9s Day and Fourth of July . . . well, I=B9d feel like we=B9d grown up in different denominations. Maybe even different RELIGIONS! (Surely in different generations.)   It would take a lot of =B3plusses=B2 to counterbalance those (as I perceive them) =B3negatives.=B2 They=B9re not going to be thrilled by what turns ME on, and vice versa.   I probably have a fairly narrow view of worship. One MAJOR part I share with you: communion every Sunday. But there are others too.   But please realize: Having or not having an Easter Sunrise Service (which = I hadn=B9t thought of this way before!) is only a CLUE to a congregation=B9s worship style. It doesn=B9t determine ANYthing!   I=B9ve never been to one, though I=B9ve belonged to a few dozen Lutheran parishes from the Pacific to the Atlantic in the past six decades. But I=B9m hearing that many parishes HAVE them! Fine! It=B9s kind of a new thing to m= e (though I know it has a long history). What with the Vigil running late th= e previous evening, I=B9d not be INCLINED toward it.   My IDEAL? Easter Vigil at, oh, 10 p.m. Finishes by 2 a.m. Then a three-hour breakfast, and at 6 a.m. the whopping mass of Easter. (Or maybe even skip that entirely!) And in bed by 10 a.m. at the latest And our tourists? Let them celebrate Easter Sunday splendidly at 10 or 11 a.m. at YOUR church!   Crazy? Yes. But I am.   (No, I don=B9t think that =B3ideal=B2 will happen in my lifetime.)   Alan   Does that make any sense?          
(back) Subject: Re: Preachers List-ers From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 00:55:02 -0500   That's a great idea! Now if we can just find the money.   Randy Runyon     On Feb 21, 2005, at 11:23 PM, TheShieling wrote:   >> I wish a certain preacher I know would just download all his sermons > from the net, as long as they were excellent, or better still, go to > the library and copy out some by Reinhold Neibuhr and Harry Emerson > Fosdick and deliver those. > > Randy, > Just send me a huge cheque and I'll supply you with all the sermons > you can > cope with. :-) :-) :-) > > Ross > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >    
(back) Subject: Re: alan and sunrise service From: "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:59:25 -0000   Re: alan and sunrise serviceThen, "Sunshine", obviously theology doesn't = come into it.   It's like when I find myself driving to the airport at 4:00am on a = summer's morning (The local Taxi service is one of my firms and, if = we're short-staffed or someone's done an 'over-nighter' down to Heathrow = or Gatwick, then I'm next in line - "When needs must, then this Devil = drives"!)   I take time to realise the good things about what I'm doing. Watching = the sunrise, seeing the shadow-pattern among the trees, the horses and = cattle grazing, .... being the only person on the M42! These are all things which make that moment special.   Likewise, getting up (occasionally) at an different time to do even the = mundane turns it into something special.   Enjoy.   Harry Grove [a.k.a. a musicman humming the tune for the words ...=20 "The trivial round, the common task, should furnish all we ought to = ask."]   Now, gang; which tune am I humming ? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alan Freed=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:02 AM Subject: Re: alan and sunrise service     On 2/21/05 2:25 AM, "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" = <kzrev@rr1.net> wrote:   If I want a job, and I want it NOW, I'd take even a less-than-ideal = one (and then keep looking around) [snip]
(back) Subject: Re: sunrise services From: "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:58:05 -0000   And suddenly, ......... I've just received an e-mail from a couple with their music requests for = their wedding.   And it contains .........   the perfect hymn for the 'sunrise' service ...........   and it is ? (I hear you all ask)   "I watch the sunrise" _ Music..Colin Murphy (arr. Chris. Tambling) = Lyrics.. John Glynn (C) Kevin Mayhew   Harry Grove [a.k.a. a musicman who(eventually) comes up with the goods]     -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------   Mozart is sweet sunshine. Antonin Dvorak=20     ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Glenda=20 To: 'PipeChat'=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:02 AM Subject: RE: sunrise services