PipeChat Digest #5182 - Sunday, February 27, 2005
 
Re: Wicks in Columbus
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Wicks in Columbus
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Trackers in Liturgical Spaces
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
tracker vs ep
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: tracker vs ep
  by "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Trackers in Liturgical Spaces
  by "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net>
RE: Wicks in Columbus
  by "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@comcast.net>
Re: Wicks in Columbus
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Wicks in Columbus
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
Wicks in Columbus
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
Re: Wicks in Columbus
  by "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Mechanicals in a liturgical space
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Desiree's love of organs
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Desiree's love of organs...PLU organs
  by "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Desiree's love of organs
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
This week's MP3: Roelstraete Adagio
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net>
Re: Wicks in Columbus
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Roelstraete MP3 in LQ (sorry!)
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net>
Re: GDH In Tacoma
  by "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Wicks in Columbus
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
"Octopods"
  by "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net>
Re: GDH In Tacoma
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Wicks at Columbus, etc.
  by "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net>
Re: Desiree's love of organs
  by "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
Re: Desiree's love of organs
  by "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: GDH In Tacoma
  by "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: COME TO THE USA NOW - GET A GREAT DEAL!
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Wicks in Columbus From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:02:24 EST   In a message dated 2/26/05 3:10:37 PM Central Standard Time,=20 michaelandmaggy@comcast.net writes:   > Anyone who thinks they=E2=80=99re throwing out a perfectly fine Skinner sh= ould take=20 > a look at the specification at: <snip>=20 > That must be the only =E2=80=9CSkinner=E2=80=9D with a IV - 2/3=E2=80=99 m= ixture on the =E2=80=9CGrande=20 > Orgue=E2=80=9D , a V - 1=E2=80=99 mixture on the =E2=80=9CPositif Orgue= =E2=80=9D, and a III =E2=80=93 =C2=BC=E2=80=99 mixture on=20 > the =E2=80=9CRecit Orgue=E2=80=9D. > While Fritts might not be my first choice for a liturgical church (not sur= e=20 > why they didn=E2=80=99t ask me) it looks like they=E2=80=99re getting a lo= t of real 32=E2=80=99 ,16=E2=80=99 > , and 8=E2=80=99 gravitas and quite a bit of sheer musicality. I=E2=80= =99d like to hear=20 > it. I might even be impressed with the way it sounds.   OK, let me rephrase, and I thought we went through this about 10 years ago-=20   I DONT LIKE TRACKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   There.   -Scott     Scott F. Foppiano=20 Organist and Director of Parish Music Holy Rosary Catholic Church, Memphis, TN=20 In te Domine speravi, non confundar in aeternum.  
(back) Subject: Re: Wicks in Columbus From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:06:30 EST   In a message dated 2/26/05 4:15:33 PM Central Standard Time, nicemusica@yahoo.com writes:   > And dont EEEVEN Get me started on the Seattle > Flentrop. > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM YUMMY!   Don't worry, I won't.       > It's sensuously beautiful.   Oh, is it now? Gee, to my ears, and I HAVE heard it live several time, = it's a typical, 1960's, THINS, breathy and overly-chiffy squeak-box.     Scott F. Foppiano Organist and Director of Parish Music Holy Rosary Catholic Church, Memphis, TN In te Domine speravi, non confundar in aeternum.  
(back) Subject: Trackers in Liturgical Spaces From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:09:18 -0500   Dear List,=20       Mr. Foppiano has thrown down the gauntlet with the following: "I just = don't like trackers in liturgical worship spaces." This seems to confuse = a type of action with a type of sound or style. We have learned in the = last 30 years or so that this linkage is not correct, although we have = known both bad and good examples otherwise. My first hearing of the = great Beckerath Organ in St. Michael's Church on Amsterdam Avenue in New = York consisted of music of Louis Vierne. It was warm, rich, and = glorious. (Paul Martin-Maki was Organist.) That certainly qualifies as a = "liturgical worship space." It is worth noting that before the years = surrounding 1900, all good (and bad) Christians listened to 100% = trackers in liturgical worship spaces, and the world did not come to an = end. Now that we have lots of "EP Organs" and even worse, it may finally = be time for the end! <Joke!>=20   =20   I really don't want this to be or seem to be a commercial, but the best = place I know to demonstrate that what Scott wants *can* be found in a = tracker Organ is the instrument at the cathedralesque St. Ignatius = Loyola on the Upper East Side of Manhattan. I have hosted many on this = list at this Organ, and others will have heard it at conventions or in = other ways. It even has two swell boxes! There is *lots* of foundation = tone. NO ONE will feel the urge to call this a "neo-Baroque 'squeak = box' going into a liturgical space that cries for foundation tone." = There are other mechanical action Organs of breadth and warmth - I think = of Fritz Noack's lovely instrument at Church of the Redeemer, Chestnut = Hill (Boston). I attended Evensong there a year ago or so, Michael S. = Murray conducting, and Michael Diorio accompanying. It seems I said = something to the latter Michael, wondering where it was that he found = the soul of Father Willis.   =20   So, please do not rail against or boycott the yet to be heard Martin = Pasi Organ in the cathedral in Columbus, Ohio.   =20   Now this *is* a commercial. The very most recent Mander Organ was = declared tonally finished earlier this week. It is in the West Parish = Meeting House in West Barnstable on Cape Cod. I spent part of Tuesday = playing this Organ, and am in love. I would happily share it with anyone = passing through The Cape, and would make arrangements for you, hopefully = to be there myself. I have a glorious photo of the instrument, marred = only by myself on the bench, taken by Hip Yau, and if you would like a = copy, e-mail me, and I will send it by return e-mail. It's best = downloaded with a fast connection, but with only a bit of patience, it = will come in via dial up. (450KB)   =20   I hope you have a good Sunday,   =20   Malcolm Wechsler   www.mander-organs.com =20  
(back) Subject: tracker vs ep From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:18:22 EST   well, i happen to agree with scott foppiano, in that i prefer to NOT play = on a tracker. but it has nothing to do with the sound... they hurt my right =   hand (must be the beginning of carpal tunnel or something). sometimes = even playing my moller hurts, so i have to be careful what i play and how long = i practice. (right now i have to limit myself to about 10 minutes per = session on 'carillon de westminster.' )   some people like trackers, some don't. and there are tons of reasons for each. that's why god made chocolate and vanilla.   i think this topic ranks up there with religion and politics... there's = no way to win the argument, so there's no point in arguing. to each his own. = now can we discuss something of relevance? how about them lakers?   scot in spokane (who just had the most fantastic penne pasta with chicken & hazelnuts in a =   cream sauce!)  
(back) Subject: Re: tracker vs ep From: "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:45:40 -0800 (PST)   It's ok to not like trackers. I did not like them prior to my attending PLU   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Trackers in Liturgical Spaces From: "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:45:13 -0500   Malcolm --   When you get a chance, please send info/photo on the West Parish organ.   Thanks!   Best from Steve    
(back) Subject: RE: Wicks in Columbus From: "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:05:19 -0600   So, the phrase =93Another neo-baroque "squeak box"=94 referred to the = action?   =20   I think I=92m beginning to understand.   =20   Michael =96 who didn=92t go through this 10 years ago   =20   =20   _____ =20   From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of ScottFop@aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 6:02 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Wicks in Columbus   =20   In a message dated 2/26/05 3:10:37 PM Central Standard Time, michaelandmaggy@comcast.net writes:         Anyone who thinks they=92re throwing out a perfectly fine Skinner should = take a look at the specification at: <snip>=20 That must be the only =93Skinner=94 with a IV - 2/3=92 mixture on the = =93Grande Orgue=94 , a V - 1=92 mixture on the =93Positif Orgue=94, and a III =96 = =BC=92 mixture on the =93Recit Orgue=94. While Fritts might not be my first choice for a liturgical church (not = sure why they didn=92t ask me) it looks like they=92re getting a lot of real = 32=92 ,16=92, and 8=92 gravitas and quite a bit of sheer musicality. I=92d = like to hear it. I might even be impressed with the way it sounds.       OK, let me rephrase, and I thought we went through this about 10 years = ago-=20   I DONT LIKE TRACKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   There.          
(back) Subject: Re: Wicks in Columbus From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:53:15 +0000   On 2/26/05 6:48 PM, "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> wrote:   > I have to say that Paul Fritts organs are in no way "squeak boxes".   I share your opinion, though it's not based on a LOT of experience with the= m Paul HIMSELF was a =B3squeak box=B2 when I first met him=8Bbut, then, he was probably only 18 months old at the time. (I DID whisper in his ear how to build a fine pipe organ, of course; he apparently remembered that advice.)   Alan  
(back) Subject: Wicks in Columbus From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:58:08 EST   AsI understand, there was a nice Skinner before the Wicks went in. All = that remains of the Skinner (I think) is a pedal rank too large to remove when = the Wicks went in. The Wicks is currently in playable condition. Paul Thornock =   II, Director of Music at the Cathedral, might answer more questions. = Robert Wisniewski is the organist and Dorothy Riley is the assistant organist. = Their phone # is (614)241-2526. _http://www.saintjosephcathedral.org/Cathedral_Concerts_2001-2002_bw.pdf_ (http://www.saintjosephcathedral.org/Cathedral_Concerts_2001-2002_bw.pdf) _http://www.saintjosephcathedral.org/music.htm_ (http://www.saintjosephcathedral.org/music.htm) shows a photo of the = balcony with the organ's pipework; unfortunately, the information shown on the website is outdated. Paul Thornock II, Director of Music at the Cathedral, might answer more = questions. Robert Wisniewski is the organist and Dorothy Riley is the assistant = organist. Their phone # is (614)241-2526. Musically, Stan Krider In a message dated 2/26/2005 4:09:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, pipechat@pipechat.org writes:   http://www.saintjosephcathedral.org/sitemap/music/organs_and_organists.htm   Yes, they are getting a huge new Fritts organ which is suppose to be completed in 2006. There is a link to the music webpage above.   RMB10@aol.com wrote: >There is also a large Wicks from Columbus, Ohio on the site. Can anyone >tell of these organs' stories?          
(back) Subject: Wicks in Columbus From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:04:02 EST   From what I understand the Wicks is not in the most reliable condition. Apparently, to spend the money needed to rebuild the Wicks is less = desirable than purchasing a new Fritts. It might be said that the old instrument was "on =   the fritz enough to warrant a new Fritts." Musically, Stan Krider In a message dated 2/26/2005 4:09:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, pipechat@pipechat.org writes:   Subject: Re: Wicks in Columbus From: "Scott A Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:55:10 -0800 (PST)   There are not dumping the organ. They are selling it to give it a good = home. Maybe they realized that they like tracker organs. There might only be = 2-3 ranks from the old Skinner organ and maybe they just don't like the way = the Wicks sounds in the room. Many organists don't like there organ and = always strive for something they might think is better. A Fritts organ is = defiantly a great choice for a new instrument. The new organ seems to placed in the same spot as the old organ.     RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: Dear Scot and Monty:   The present organ appears to already have all the bells and whistles needed on a Cathedral organ. Why change out the E.M. Skinner/Wicks for something else? Where will this organ be going? It seems a shame to dump it as the specification for most organists would be to die for.          
(back) Subject: Re: Wicks in Columbus From: "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:07:36 -0800 (PST)   Scott Foppiano wrote: > OK, let me rephrase, and I thought we went through > this about 10 years ago- > > I DONT LIKE TRACKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > There.     That's completely fine not to like trackers.   While in Mississippi, the only tracker I had ever played was the ONE tracker that was in the city. It was a 1987 Reiger of very thin scaling. I found that I enjoyed (hides head) the rampant Moller's in town much more. There was ONE "Donald Gillette?" Aeolian Skinner at the Episcopal Cathedral, where I interned briefly. The Austin I had access to was also, to me at that time, a good organ.   One can easily say that their exposure to organs can make or break them. I never had the opportunity to travel out side of Jackson, MS very much at all. The organs I had at my disposal were the only things I knew to sound good or bad. Of course I had seen pictures and heard recordings, but never got to play any of those organs in the pictures or recordings.   I had NEVER played an EM Skinner until I left Mississippi. I have a greater appreciation of them since I have played two. The only AEOLIAN-Skinners I had played were in Laurel MS, and in Jackson, So I thought those to be good. When I played a GDH in Tacoma, Washington regularly, I found that the tonal differences were more to my liking. I absolutely abhored trackers until I got to PLU and played one that filled the room beautifully, was NOT THIN AND SHRILLY. I grew more as Susan Ferre and David Dahl offerd us students exposure to organs in the SEATAC area by Noack, Flentrop, Fritts and older organs by Kilgen and other 19th cent. builders. I'm reminded of the lovely Kilgen that was sescured and sits in Trinity Lutheran Chapel across from the PLU Campus. It was great for stamina.   People grow...but many people don't like to say that they grow or need growth. I can say that I have grown, and will grow a lot more beginning this fall. One way that I grew is by leaving home is by being exposed to many lovely instruments.     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail  
(back) Subject: Mechanicals in a liturgical space From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:12:15 +0000   On 2/26/05 7:51 PM, "ScottFop@aol.com" <ScottFop@aol.com> wrote:   > MY opinion is that I just DONT like trackers in Liturgical worship spaces= .. > They don't have the expression a big EP with multiple swell boxes have no= r do > they generally offer the same colors.   Well, that=B9s certainly a valid opinion. But should it be modifiable by the (alleged) reality that there are a variety of =B3Liturgical worship spaces=B2? Not all such spaces are RC, or Italian (or French or Austrian or whatever). Thus, there are perhaps more than one (or two or three?) ideal or desirable sets of crayons?   I like a five-manual Skinner as much as the next guy; but most of it would be wasted at Saint Luke=B9s.   Alan www.stlukesnyc.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Desiree's love of organs From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:55:42 +0000   On 2/26/05 11:28 PM, "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> wrote:   > My favorite instrument to practice upon at PLU was a 3 stop tracker.   Just guessing, since I haven't been there since it was put in: Is that = the one in the Tower Chapel? Who built it?   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Desiree's love of organs...PLU organs From: "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:06:45 -0800 (PST)   hi Alan The Tower Chapel TRACKER organ is nice as well. it's about 10 stops. That was always a bit much for me to practice on. The organ I practiced on was a 3 stop tracker with no mechanisms. Just turin it on and play. I think David may have built it.       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail  
(back) Subject: Re: Desiree's love of organs From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:07:21 +0000   On 2/26/05 11:41 PM, "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> wrote:   > However, even when we had appointed 3 hour practice times, I elected to g= o to > the small organ, or the piano.   Are you saying that you blocked three hours, but didn't use them, with the result that someone who wanted/needed those three hours didn't get them, though the beast was available? This is not nice. It endeared you to your fellow organ students? Why not just book the piano in the first place, since that=B9s what you preferred (=B3elected=B2)?   Alan  
(back) Subject: This week's MP3: Roelstraete Adagio From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:18:16 -0800   This week's MP3 is Hermann Roelstraete's Adagio for organ.   Hermann Roelstraete (1925-1985) was a Belgian organist, pupil of Flor Peeters. This little adagio is full of lush harmonies and modal charm   http://evensongmusic.net/audio/RoelstraeteAdagio.mp3   Enjoy!   -- Jonathan Orwig Evensong Music, Media and Graphics New Organ Music http://www.evensongmusic.net    
(back) Subject: Re: Wicks in Columbus From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:26:49 +0000   On 2/27/05 2:07 AM, "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> wrote:   > When I played a GDH in Tacoma, Washington regularly,   Hmmmm. Which one was that? I don't think I know it. Neither = Presbyterian nor Methodist, as I recall. But maybe.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Roelstraete MP3 in LQ (sorry!) From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:28:23 -0800   .....sorry I always forget some folks still on dial up... mea culpa   http://evensongmusic.net/audio/RoelstraeteAdagio.mp3 (4.05mb for = broadband) http://evensongmusic.net/audio/LQ/RoelstraeteAdagioLQ.mp3 (683kb for dial-up)   -- Jonathan Orwig Evensong Music, Media and Graphics New Organ Music http://www.evensongmusic.net    
(back) Subject: Re: GDH In Tacoma From: "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:30:14 -0800 (PST)   First United Methodist of Tacoma...untouched...just celebrated its 50th anniversary with Doug Cleaveland, Jonathan Young, and David Dahl in 2003       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail  
(back) Subject: Re: Wicks in Columbus From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:39:54 +0000   On 2/27/05 2:07 AM, "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> wrote:   > I'm reminded of the lovely Kilgen that was sescured and sits in Trinity > Lutheran Chapel across from the PLU Campus. It was great for stamina.   Ah, yes! (But =B3Chapel=B2?) I used to practice a good deal there. (More tha= n I did on campus, I think.) But that was in the OLD church, where they had = a Balcolm & Vaughn, hauled out of some theatre somewhere. Horseshoe console with multi-colored tabs; you know the kind. (Ah, the Chrisoglott 8=B9!) The really bad feature was the loud church bell, which was about 35 feet from m= y bedroom window on Sunday morning when I was NOT inclined to respond.   Alan    
(back) Subject: "Octopods" From: "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:47:48 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)   Hi List,=0D =0D It is highly distressing to me when symphonic organs, in the true sens= e (like 1920's Kimball or Austin), get dragged through the mud on here for = the want of filling some sort of void in the conversation. What may not be apparent is that there are many fans of these organs, including myself.=20 What is frankly insulting is that we, as fans, know and love these instruments well, and deal with them on a day to day basis, trying to preserve them for future generations, only to see them verbally attacked with broad-brushed remarks.=0D =0D It may or may not seem like a big deal to some, but a lot of symphonic organs (and even more conventional organs like Skinners) were mercilessly slaughtered as the result of a few choice words. I doubt that any commit= tee decision to throw out or permanently alter an organ in the last fifty yea= rs was made in a vacuum, and most of those decisions were probably made with trust (probably not deserved) in some consultant or scent-marking builder= , wishing to keep up with fashion and leave their stain on the instrument.=0D =0D What's worse is that this sort of thing still happens to this day.=0D =0D I happen to have performed tens of thousands of dollars of free work reversing terrible changes such as these, made to the huge Austin at my n= ew Church. Fortunately, I was able to locate almost all of the original pipework, save for the Swell Diapason Phonon, and two mutations, the for= mer having been cut down into a Rohr Flute (another detestable practice).=0D =0D Don't insult me and tell me that these organs are crap, I listen to on= e every week. It is a gorgeous organ, with tremendous expression, and a massive palette of tonal colors to choose from, and I hope that I will become skilled enough to play it for services some day.=0D =0D Best,=0D =0D Nathan
(back) Subject: Re: GDH In Tacoma From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:54:32 +0000   On 2/27/05 3:30 AM, "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> wrote:   > First United Methodist of Tacoma...untouched...just celebrated its 50th > anniversary   Really! Well, then, I think that's the parish served by Paul Fritts' father, R. Byard Fritts, in the early 1950s. I sang in the choir there = for a few "special events" oratorios, at his request. Heavy on Haydn and Mendelssohn.   Akron plan, as I recall? (Or has too much time gone by, and I haven't realized it?)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Wicks at Columbus, etc. From: "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:43:16 -0800   I've played the organ in question, and it I was not a memorable point of my life. There may have been some nice sounds left from the rebuild of the Skinner, and maybe even some decent new stuff that Wicks put in. But the "case" is very deep, and it's very hard to balance registrations due to the resulting problems....even with the console several feet from the pipes. The room itself is not that big, and the present instrument can be a bit much at full tilt.   Even though we may look at a proposed specification and wonder what people were thinking (I've been guilty myself), it is the sounds the builder produces which are the telling factor -- not the names of the stops.   At least one enclosed division is handy, but I've played and heard beautiful liturgies on organs without an enclosed division. Lush liturgical music can still be created without any swell shades. It's the craft of the builder and the creativeness of the organist who make it happen -- not what the spec is on paper.    
(back) Subject: Re: Desiree's love of organs From: "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:57:30 +0800   Why do we have to persist with running people down? Ease off Desiree = PLEASE. Who cares what she said about this or that? It seemed to me to be a mere throwaway comment. Let it lie at that!. Please! BE. ----- Original Message ----- From: <RMB10@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 7:36 AM Subject: Re: Desiree's love of organs     > You told me before that it was very hard to get time on the Fritts in > Lagerquist Hall except in the late at night or in the middle of the = night > because of > all that went on in there, so the organ students had to fight for time. = I > just see lots of inconsistencies here...       -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005    
(back) Subject: Re: Desiree's love of organs From: "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:31:14 -0800 (PST)   Bob, thanks for saying something. I take most things with a grain of salt.   The "running down" of me is almost a way of "tough friendship" . People, for some reason, take things that others say, and use them against them. There is also a desire for me to watch certain things, so that others will take me more seriously. Don't call an organ piece an Aria...Arias are not written for organs...and using that term might have people question my credibility. It's not bad, nor is it good. It's just that people who are concerned want me to watch certain verbage.   BUT...I do start lil' side conversatons and tell certain friends to simply...shut up.       __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: GDH In Tacoma From: "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:36:09 -0800 (PST)   Yup...as a matter of fact...there was an advertisement in The American Organist announcing the 50th anniversary recital.   A snip from Jonathan Ambrosino's page   "AGO TACOMA CHAPTER Tacoma, Washington (10/25/03) On the 50th anniversary of Aeolian-Skinner Op. 1216 in First United Methodist Church, Tacoma =93Why 50 Years Later, G. Donald Harrison is Still So Important=94 "     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: COME TO THE USA NOW - GET A GREAT DEAL! From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:18:52 +0800   Randy Terry Wrote:=20 > Those of you outlanders with funds and time, now would be a great time to > plan a visit. I wish I could invite you to San Francisco - you'd have a > great time, it's just not the place to study American organ building. We= do > have some fabulous instruments, but the real history lessons can be learn= ed > in the northeast. >=20 > Just a thought... >=20 > Randy Terry   Schoenstein & Co. might disagree ... The Mormon Tabernacle seems happy enou= gh with their San Francisco-built.   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm