PipeChat Digest #5052 - Sunday, January 2, 2005
Children in Church
  by "Thomas Mohr" <thomasmohr@aon.at>
Re: PipeChat Digest #5051 - 01/01/05
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Saville organs
  by "v hatch" <vhatch@hotmail.com>
Re: Saville organs
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: Saville organs
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Saville organs
  by <Tspiggle@aol.com>
Organ Service Manual
  by <AEolianSkinner@aol.com>
Re: Organ Service Manual and Saville Questions
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Running Rampant in Sanctuary
  by "Roy Kersey" <rkersey@tds.net>
Re: Organ Service Manual
  by <OrganMD@aol.com>
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: 2005..off topic
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Organ woes!
  by "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
Re: Organ Service Manual
  by <AEolianSkinner@aol.com>
Re: Organ Service Manual
  by <AEolianSkinner@aol.com>
Re: spitzflotes
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
This week's MP3 - Jacquemin
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net>

(back) Subject: Children in Church From: "Thomas Mohr" <thomasmohr@aon.at> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:46:10 +0100   Dear Listmembers,   to contribute something funny concerning children in church:   In Austria we don't have Santa Claus bringing X-mas gifts on 24th/25th, = but the Christ-Child. However there is St. Nicolas who brings (small) gifts on =   Dec. 6th, commemorating the bishop St. Nicolas of Myra. In this custom, a = man in a bishop's dress visits the families to distribute gifts. Sometimes it = is a family member, sometimes a parishioner.   Once a real bishop was visiting our (r.c.) parish. When he put on his = mitra my then four year old daughter yelled in amazement - in a way that everybody = in church could hear it because there was silence: "Look, he is disguising as =   St. Nicolas !"   -- DI Thomas Mohr Institute for Cancer Research Medical University of Vienna Borschkegasse 8a A-1090 Vienna   ++43 1 4277 65160  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #5051 - 01/01/05 From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 08:47:51 EST   >Several years ago, we had a clutch of young boys (14-16 years old) >who assisted the church administrator with physical furniture >arrangements for Sunday evening services. > >These boys were assembled, instructed on what went where, and >sent off to do it. When they finished, with extra time on their >hands, they entertained themselves in several ways. One was throwing >a ball around the room to each other.   It's great that there were kids who would help move pulpit furniture, but = the Sanctuary is not a place to be playing with footballs and superballs. = It's supposed to be a holy place set apart for worship and prayer, not for = playtime. Although, in these days of spectator auditoriums, you'd never know that anymore!   That's why my mom taught me to behave in church when I was a little kid. That is why I got spanked after church the couple of times that I didn't = behave in church when I was 4 or 5 years old. I STILL remember how to act = properly when I go into the house of the Lord 30 years later. The thought of = playing in church sends chills up my spine, and I would never even run in the sanctuary--not even to go up to the sound booth in the balcony to get = something. I walk. Maybe I'm just uptight and stuffy. It just seems that if I wanted to go = play ball, that's what the front lawn or side lawn of the church is for, plus = we also have soccer fields and a baseball field--well right now they're sort = of torn up with all our construction--but if a person wanted to play, they = would go outside, if they wanted to pray they could stay inside. Seems simple to = me.   Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: Re: Saville organs From: "v hatch" <vhatch@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 10:41:16 -0600   I have just illustrated what I was about to tell you . I stupidly pressed =   "send" before I had included my MESSAGE to you. So this will be the second =   timeyou have received a message from me, the first with no content. What = I am basically trying to find out from you is this wordy message that I am about to launch into is this: can youplease tell me how one would get in touch with this entity you describe as "the Organtek of Knoxville,TN"? It = is partly because I am rather incompetent with what to me are the intricaies = of the computer, but also because I have had some dental surgery that is = making me sick that I have failed to be sitting religiously at my computer to = see what responses I might have had to my publicly aired dilemma/confusion = about the SAVILLE thing. Because I am afraid of the internet, I have ASSUMED = the address "vhatch@hotmail.com" but I am really Dr. Norman Chapman and I live =   in Holly Springs Mississippi and I drive into Memphis twice a week to play =   at Second Church of Christ Scientest which has this three-manual Saville which I'm thinking that you may already be familiar with--seeing as how = you knew about the Holtcamp and this "Organtek" group or person. Any other information or reactions that you can give me would be of great interest = to me. FOr example do you know of Hellums Organ Service in Memphis (really Southaven, MS)? I have been very pleased with Mr. Hellum's long patience and generosity and honesty and eneral good will both iinhis attempts to, = as you put is "make it like new" but it has not been made like new. I 'm = sure that when you said it this way it wasn't meant to be taken literall. Someone had written to me (as a result of some pipechat or pipe orgel = talk) that I should be grateful that Mr. Hellums is willing to TRY to fix the organ since he could choose to just try to SELL us a new organ Incidentally COULD YOU ALSO TELL ME HOW WE COMMUNICATE WITH = pipeorgeL--I've forgotten although I am still with that group but haven't been able to = check the list for about a month and have forgotten the exact details. The Saville has lost its ability to to provide presets, and static sometimes emanates from somewhere and several stops such as strings or reeds go out =   of tune. Well I want to THANK YOU very much for taking the trouble to respond to my query. As far as I can see you were the only person to respond. Do you think I'm right about that?   >From: Tspiggle@aol.com >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Re: Saville organs >Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:51:20 EST > >By the way, the Organtek out of Knoxville, TN goes all over the US >repairing >Savilles. He can make it like new. > >Tom   _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! =   hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/    
(back) Subject: Re: Saville organs From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 12:13:51 EST   Welcome, Dr. Norman Chapman. You will find your trust in PipeChat is not =   misplaced.   I Googled Organtek - this is what I came up with:   Organtek - (865) 689-7525 - , Knoxville, TN 37902   Good luck with the Saville, and I hope you feel better soon.   Victoria    
(back) Subject: Re: Saville organs From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 12:39:17 EST   try Dentronics in new jersey     dale in florida  
(back) Subject: Re: Saville organs From: <Tspiggle@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 14:43:12 EST   Organtek also has a web site at:   www.organtek.com   Tom  
(back) Subject: Organ Service Manual From: <AEolianSkinner@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:50:47 EST   Hey Guys, I would like to know if anybody knows where I can purchase/get a hold = of Rodgers Organ Manual's for 60's and 70's type organs. I currently have projects going and I need schematics and all that other wonderful stuff = to complete the organs. Thank you for all your help.   Best Regards, Gregory Hinson    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Service Manual and Saville Questions From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 14:55:49 -0600   At 3:50 PM -0500 1/1/05, AEolianSkinner@aol.com wrote: >Hey Guys, > > I would like to know if anybody knows where I can purchase/get a >hold of Rodgers Organ Manual's for 60's and 70's type organs. I >currently have projects going and I need schematics and all that >other wonderful stuff to complete the organs. Thank you for all >your help. > >Best Regards, >Gregory Hinson   Questions such as this and also about Saville organs might be better answered on another list on PipeChat, the EORG-L list. To subscribe send an email to List-Subscribe: mailto:EORG-L-on@pipechat.org (you should be able to click on that link and have the email addressed for you)   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Running Rampant in Sanctuary From: "Roy Kersey" <rkersey@tds.net> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:45:17 -0500   Hello All, F. Richard Burt wrote:   <<Even so, much of this is normal among teen-aged boys>>.   At the risk of starting this thread all over again, I'd have to ask = whether this is normal or just acceptable today. Perhaps teens do get out = of control when not supervised, but this is not a reason to accept this = any more than it is necessary to accept students who won't practice, = children who touch what they shouldn't or who misbehave in church or = congregations who want entertainment rather than worship. It used to be standard practice for boys to pay for windows they = broke with a baseball. I don't see why a kid who breaks something in a = pipe organ shouldn't have to pay for getting it fixed. I found it interesting that two fathers who apperently had their = heads on very straight both described using a certain amout of outrage and = shaming on their children to make them understand what was expected of = them. Tolerating what out of control teens do as "normal" behavior rather = than censuring it and requiring redress only perpetuates it. Last week my = trumpet teacher mildly censured me for failing to practice with method and = I deserved it and benefitted, and I'm 57! Best Regards, Roy Kersey Organ Enthusaist and Amateur Trumpeter    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Service Manual From: <OrganMD@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 17:50:06 EST   Hi Greg ............ I own almost every manual that Rodgers ever printed. What are you = looking for? Bill   Representing Austin Organs, Inc.    
(back) Subject: 2005 From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:48:42 -0600   The Lord bless and keep you all. What a beautiful day it has been, I hope a precursor for the year ahead. Miami beat Florida last night. And I actually exceeded 2 hours at a single sitting at the console today.   May you find meaning and fun, because life is fun. And you are good friends.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Re: 2005..off topic From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:11:26 -0800 (PST)   Happy NY for all It was simply a beautiful day in Chicago Friday...45-50 degrees! Not a = cloud or snowflake in sight.       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! =96 What will yours do?
(back) Subject: Re: Organ woes! From: "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 09:30:34 +0800   My apologies! After a computer crash I had to format the hard drive and reinstall everything. Outlook Express has defaulted to HTML. I have now corrected this and repeat the post below. Bob Elms.   I had quite a night of it this evening. I played for Saturday might Mass = at the local Catholic Church. The organ is a Johannus Opus 255, one of the = last of the analogue models with a very pleasant sound in a resonant church. = The Great and Pedal were both at ppp and slightly intermittent volume while = the swell was at normal volume. Most of the Great stops were almost inaudible = so I played almost the whole service on the swell. Before the service I was handed the list of hymns. The congregation had a printed list with the words of the hymns printed therein. Two of the hymn =   tunes were not in the hymn book the Parish uses so I had to hunt for = another book. This I found with only the soprano line printed. I survived the service by improvising the accompaniment to those two hymns (actually they =   were Christmas Carols and so the improvising was not difficult). Back home and I had been sent a service manual for this e-organ by = Johannus a few years ago. Seeing both pedal and great were off it was easy to find the IC where the output of both of these were inputted. The swell has a different input. I hope replacing this IC will fix the problem. I normally play at the local Uniting (one time Methodist) church where = there is a unit organ which has been discussed on this list before. Derived mutations that are supposed to cause a "cacophany" but don't! OK! We've = been there before! But give me the pipe organ any day, derived mutations and mixture notwithstanding! Bob Elms.       -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/2004    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Service Manual From: <AEolianSkinner@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:07:02 EST   Hi Bill, I have a Rodgers Model 35D. I am guessing this is around the 60's or 70's due to the setter board it has. I will be happy to pay any = reasonable fee if you can get any info out to me. Thank you so much   Best Regards, Gregory Hinson    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Service Manual From: <AEolianSkinner@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:08:31 EST   Sorry, I mean't to send that personally to him sorry everyone.   Best Regards, Gregory Hinson    
(back) Subject: Re: spitzflotes From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:20:33 -0500   I'm coming in a little late here. i think your point may be a good one, = but then on a larger organ, if you already have a bourdon, a chimney flute, = etc represented, the spitzflote can add a bit of variety.   It seems the spitzflote was pretty popular in the 1960's and '70's, when voicing and scaling practices were a little bit wacky. Have many of the ones you have heard and not liked been from this era? I think I've heard one or two that I liked.   Andy   On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:29:16 EST, BlueeyedBear wrote > dear list, > > the organ at my church has a 4' spitzflote on the great, which i am > not fond of. after thinking about it, i realized i've never heard a > spitzflote i liked. i know it's a hybrid -- sorta principally, > sorta flutey. i can understand having one on a small organ where > it has to serve two purposes, but on an organ of 32 ranks & 3 > manuals, i don't see the purpose of having one on the great, if at > all. wouldn't a 4' flute be more appropriate? > > can someone enlighten me about the use of spitzflotes on moderate- > sized organs? > > scot       A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: This week's MP3 - Jacquemin From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 00:26:46 -0800   As part of my research for my Organ Symphonie book, I am recording organ symphonies that have not been recorded.   This week we hear the 1st mvt of Camille Jaquemin's Symphonie in b, (mvt subtitled "Foi")   http://evensongmusic.net/audio/Jacquemin_Symphonie_mvt_1.mp3   Enjoy,   -- Jonathan Orwig Evensong Music, Media and Graphics New Choral and Organ Music http://www.evensongmusic.net