PipeChat Digest #5065 - Friday, January 7, 2005
 
Re: Subject: RE: Jonathon's Remarks on Worship
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
P.S. - PIPE ORGAN IN "GONE WITH THE WIND"
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Putting an end to Evil
  by "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net>
Re: Oceans of Strings
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: String Organ v. Full Slush
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
VOX FAX
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re:Puddles of Strings
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
RE: VOX FAX
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
17th century Wurlies...
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: VOX FAX
  by "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
Re: Audsley and pipes
  by "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net>
I'm a lonely Viole
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re:Puddles of Strings
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Audsley and pipes
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Subject: RE: Jonathon's Remarks on Worship From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:29:28 EST   In a message dated 1/7/2005 8:18:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, = crl@137.com writes:   Galanti.......!     not concerning the 1 manual but Galanti's are capable of being slush......good slush. and with the flip of voicing buttons, neo-baroque scream your ears off- mixture driven things.......... ever the electronic buff and hating the Austin more and more dale in Florida  
(back) Subject: P.S. - PIPE ORGAN IN "GONE WITH THE WIND" From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:54:02 EST   I realized after sending the first email on this topic that I left out one =   detail. There is a small ensemble of instruments playing during the intermission music as well but, unless I am completely wrong, there IS an = organ playing during that music.   I also wondered if that was done because of the grand scale of the film = and all the fanfare surrounding its release in 1939, and because organs = normally played overtures, intermissions and playouts. Maybe they did that to = "bring back" the sounds of yesteryear, even though talkies had only been going = strong for 10 years at the time of the release of GWTW. Just my own thinking. I = look forward to the ideas and thoughts of others on this. Most theatres (movie =   palaces large and small) had pipe organs of some sort, including Lowe's = Grand in Atlanta where the film was premiered in 1939 with the cast and Margaret Mitchell in attendance. One has to wonder if it was played that night, = what kind of organ it was and who might have done the playing.   -Scott   Scott F. Foppiano Memphis, TN (scottfop@aol.com) Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.  
(back) Subject: Putting an end to Evil From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:11:44 -0500   Randy said:   "Right on! I propose we introduce a constitutional amendment, to be = called "The Sanctity of the Organ Act," that would outlaw such unnatural couplings."   That'll never fly. There will always be those who will want to justify their unnaturnal couplings and will join their ranks to fight for their right to couple unnaturally. I'm sure that they will find a way to = pressure the AGO's supreme court to declare any such "Sanctity of the Organ Act" to be unconstitutional.   Keith - hiding under my Steinway.    
(back) Subject: Re: Oceans of Strings From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:17:01 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   I don't know why everyone is taking this so seriously. It's like World War 3!   The fact is, the String, Vox and Trems sound is one which is quite familiar to anyone who has listened to or played a Wurlitzer......a very American thing, and not at all in the classical tradition.   I have a recording of Virgil Fox, using this combination to very great effect in "Jesu Bambino" (or is it "Gesu Bambino?")   It's only a bad combination when it is used to excess, and in small doses, it is a very colourful sound.   I don't think we have a single instrument in the UK which could deliver this sound....not even Liverpool Cathedral or the Albert Hall; though I suspect the latter could come close.   Actually, I have to confess that I did rather revel in the Fr Willis Vox Humana at St.Augustin's, Kilburn, which with Tremulant and all the 8fts on the swell, with octave coupler, was probably as close as one gets to THAT SOUND.   Anyway, I'm sure that this subject has now reached the end of life as we know it! It was never terribly interesting in the first instant.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Bob Elms <bobelms@westnet.com.au> wrote:     > I understood Ross's complaint to be about the use of > an outlandish > combination suggested by one poster as being > appropriate for a church > service.........to mix Vox Humanas up with several > Celestes, and strings > with 16, 8, and 4' couplers, and putting the > tremulant on the whole sounds > to me to be ridiculous and I would agree with > Ross     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: String Organ v. Full Slush From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:22:04 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   Charlie has put it far better than I!   I agree.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK               __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250  
(back) Subject: VOX FAX From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:25:07 EST   A couple of facts about Vox Humanas: To say that there is little difference between the Vox Humana (which culture and which era?) and a Krummhorn (which culture and which era?) is completely wrong, and no amount of rationalization will make that = statement correct. They are built differently, sound differently, and used differently from = one another. Bach played and heard FAR more Vox Humanas than Krummhorns, as any = amount of research will tell you. The average organist would be alarmed at the variety of resonator forms used for Vox Humanas over the past few hundred = years -- but they don't resemble Krummhorns. Vox Humanas go back centuries. They were found in the main manual department of both French and German organs as far back as the 16th = century, and were DEFINITELY differentiated from the Krummhorn. Today's organists speak disparagingly of Vox Humanas because they = don't even bother to listen to the stops themselves or investigate the music = written for them. Rather, they repeat what their teachers and colleagues have said = (or were saying 35 years ago!). You want an authentic Baroque organ? Specify a =   Vox Humana.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City   ..  
(back) Subject: Re:Puddles of Strings From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:27:20 EST   Pardon my ignorance, but what on EARTH are "chorus strings"???  
(back) Subject: RE: VOX FAX From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:35:46 +1300     > To say that there is little difference between the Vox Humana (which culture and which era?) and a Krummhorn (which culture and which era?) is completely wrong, and no amount of rationalization will make that = statement correct. They are built differently, sound differently, and used differently from = one   another.   100% correct. The Vox Humana and the Krummhorn are certainly very = different stops.   Ross    
(back) Subject: 17th century Wurlies... From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:39:23 EST   Check the registrational primers from 17th century France. The Voix Humaine was invariably drawn with the Tremblant Doux, almost invariably with the "jeux doux," which usually meant the 8' Bourdon, and = on occasion with the 8' Dessus de Flute (yes, folks, an open 8' Flute in the 17th century...)  
(back) Subject: Re: VOX FAX From: "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:12:01 +0800   Yeah! yeah! yeah! Give me the credit for knowing a little about organs Sebastian and don't patronise me please! I knew all that when I was still = in short pants and that is nearly 70 years ago! I can read and I once wrote a =   thesis on the subject. I was simply lumping together all the short = resonator stops that might sound like "the bleating of a 90 year old nanny goat." (quote used before). There is a Regaal on a Dutch organ in this town and several Krummhorns and Vox Humanas in city organs that I have heard. The characteristic of sound is similar in many ways. The Krummhorns vary a = great deal in quality from a thin sound to a fullness that makes the stop useful =   as a chorus reed. Maybe you are generalizing again and taking for granted that Australian organs have the same sounds as those in the USA. They obviously don't. I guess I could be accused of generalizing in lumping = that group of stops together. If so I plead guilty but I can't see it is worthy =   of a parliamentary debate!. Bob Elms.   ----- Original Message ----- From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 10:25 AM Subject: VOX FAX     >A couple of facts about Vox Humanas: > To say that there is little difference between the Vox Humana (which > culture and which era?) and a Krummhorn (which culture and which era?) = is > completely wrong, and no amount of rationalization will make that > statement correct. > They are built differently, sound differently, and used differently from =   > one > another. > Bach played and heard FAR more Vox Humanas than Krummhorns, as any > amount > of research will tell you. The average organist would be alarmed at the > variety of resonator forms used for Vox Humanas over the past few = hundred > years -- > but they don't resemble Krummhorns. > Vox Humanas go back centuries. They were found in the main manual > department of both French and German organs as far back as the 16th > century, and were > DEFINITELY differentiated from the Krummhorn. > Today's organists speak disparagingly of Vox Humanas because they = don't > even bother to listen to the stops themselves or investigate the music > written > for them. Rather, they repeat what their teachers and colleagues have = said > (or > were saying 35 years ago!). You want an authentic Baroque organ? Specify = a > Vox Humana. > > Sebastian M. Gluck > New York City > > . > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 6/01/2005 > >       -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 6/01/2005    
(back) Subject: Re: Audsley and pipes From: "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:16:21 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)   Hi List,=0D =0D Thank you, Colin, for that link.=0D =0D It was only late last year that I learned about the Armley Schulze Org= an in detail. I first saw a picture of the case 12+ years ago when I was gi= ven the Audlsey books. I am quite sure that the old photo of that case made = the organ bug bite for me! I get mushy just looking at it online.=0D =0D Best,=0D =0D - Nathan
(back) Subject: I'm a lonely Viole From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:19:58 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   That was in Viole taste Keith!   It amazes me, that those who concern themselves with unnatural couplings have absolutely no reason to do so, beyond wanting to cut down strings and revoice everything.   I may be a romantic at heart, but I think "strings attached" would be higher on my list of personal priorities than simply being indiscriminately "coupled."   I feel a song coming on......   I'm a lonely Viole in a swell box, a swell box, a swell box, I'm a lonely Viole in a swell box, and all I do is sizzle each day.   The air is so strong, it takes my breath away, 'cause I'm a lonely Viole in a swell box, won't you come and play with me   Who put me in this box, with that stupid bleating vox, I bet his face is red, when he sees the tears that's shed, I'd make him share my misery   I'm a lonely Viole in a swell box, and all I do is sizzle each day, I'm a lonely Viole in a swell box, won't you come and take me away?   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       --- Keith Zimmerman <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> wrote:   > There will always be those who > will want to justify > their unnaturnal couplings and will join their ranks > to fight for their > right to couple unnaturally. I'm sure that they > will find a way to pressure > the AGO's supreme court to declare any such > "Sanctity of the Organ Act" to > be unconstitutional.       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250  
(back) Subject: Re:Puddles of Strings From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:23:22 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   Strings placed in the Choir....silly!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:   > Pardon my ignorance, but what on EARTH are "chorus > strings"???       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo  
(back) Subject: Re: Audsley and pipes From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:29:37 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   It looks good, but the Armley-Schulze sound blows your socks off!   There should be lots of CD's coming up, now that the organ has been restored.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Nathan Smith <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> wrote:     > It was only late last year that I learned about > the Armley Schulze Organ > in detail. > I am quite sure that the old > photo of that case made the > organ bug bite for me! I get mushy just looking at > it online.       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo