PipeChat Digest #5066 - Friday, January 7, 2005
 
Oceans of Haldol [was Putting an end to evil]
  by "Roy Kersey" <rkersey@tds.net>
 

(back) Subject: Oceans of Haldol [was Putting an end to evil] From: "Roy Kersey" <rkersey@tds.net> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:41:24 -0500   Hi List, Dr.Keith wrote:   Seb,   Did you forget to take your Lithium or Haldol this morning?   Dr. Keith   I have to correct this notion --- he probably merely missed his therapy = appointment this week. If you've not been in the middle of the behavioral = vs. medical treatment issue, you would think it was pipes vs. E-orgs if = you closed your eyes and changed a few nouns. Having been on this list a few months, I am contemplating a new niche = market and possibly will put out a sign saying "Organ spoken here, get = your hour in before choir practice." A little Haldol or Paxil would also = do some of you a lot of good [or maybe Wellbutrin, no sexual side effects, = you know].<BBG> "DR. Roy" Kersey Organ Enthusiast, Amateur Trumpeter and Sometime Shrink > > From: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: 2005/01/07 Fri PM 08:29:40 EST > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: PipeChat Digest #5064 - 01/07/05 > > PipeChat Digest #5064 - Friday, January 7, 2005 > > Re: Putting an end to Evil > by <Keys4bach@aol.com> > Re: "More Souls Have Been Saved..." > by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> > RE: Oceans of Strings > by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> > RE: Oceans of Strings > by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> > Re: Putting an end to Evil > by "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> > Re: Audsley and pipes > by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> > Re: Putting an end to Evil > by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> > Re: Putting an end to Evil > by "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> > RE: Oceans of Strings > by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> > Re: Putting an end to Evil > by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> > Re: Replacing Alleluias > by <Steskinner@aol.com> > Putting an end to Evil > by "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> > PIPE ORGAN IN "GONE WITH THE WIND" ??? > by <ScottFop@aol.com> > Re: Oceans of Strings > by "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> > Re: Oceans of strings > by "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> > RE: Oceans of Strings > by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> > String Organ v. Full Slush > by "Charlie Lester" <crl@137.com> > Subject: RE: Jonathon's Remarks on Worship > by "Charlie Lester" <crl@137.com> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Putting an end to Evil > From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:11:48 EST > > > In a message dated 1/7/2005 5:10:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > TubaMagna@aol.com writes: > > To those who would use coupled strings in a worship service > to try to destroy this great nation, I say: BRING 'EM ON!!!! > > > > preach it brother........... > > have a good shabbat > > dale in florida > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: "More Souls Have Been Saved..." > From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:16:51 -0800 (PST) > > Hello, > > I'm repeating myself, but it is often said that > Handel's Messiah, has gained more converts than all > the sermons of the world put together. > > Actually, worship really counts for nothing, other > than as an expression of shared faith. It certainly > isn't Christianity! > > Oh no! That's FAR more demanding and personal. > > Regards, > > Colin Mitchell UK > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: RE: Oceans of Strings > From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:21:38 -0800 (PST) > > Hello, > > I recall listening to a "Pipedreams" programme. > > There was the American "Ocean of strings" and the > organist playing the well known "Air on the G string" > ....all > wobbly and ethereal. > > I LOVED IT, and I'm usually regarded as a Baroque > enthusiast. > > Absolutely no apologies! > > Regards, > > Colin Mitchell UK > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: RE: Oceans of Strings > From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> > Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 17:33:45 -0500 > > Now that Colin has admitted to the fact that he likes the "All American > Syrup", I suppose that puts an end to my comment that I have never = heard > so-called organ strings that sound even remotely like Norse hair being > dragged over a cat's gut! > > Each to his own, I fear! > > Bob Conway > > > At 05:21 PM 1/7/2005, Colin wrote: > >Hello, > > > >I recall listening to a "Pipedreams" programme. > > > >There was the American "Ocean of strings" and the > >organist playing the well known "Air on the G string" > >....all > >wobbly and ethereal. > > > >I LOVED IT, and I'm usually regarded as a Baroque > >enthusiast. > > > >Absolutely no apologies! > > > >Regards, > > > >Colin Mitchell UK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > >http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > > >****************************************************************** > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > >List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > >List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Putting an end to Evil > From: "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:36:01 -0500 > > Sebastian, > You sounded like "W" just then. Kind of remeniscent of 'Ferris > Buellers Day Off' "Ed, you sounded like Dirty Harry Just then. . . > thanks, Grace" > > Cheers, > > Nicholas F. Russotto > > > On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:11:48 EST, Keys4bach@aol.com <Keys4bach@aol.com> = wrote: > > In a message dated 1/7/2005 5:10:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > TubaMagna@aol.com writes: > > To those who would use coupled strings in a worship service > > to try to destroy this great nation, I say: BRING 'EM ON!!!! > > preach it brother........... > > > > have a good shabbat > > > > dale in florida > > > -- > Organist, Early Instrument Enthusiast > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Audsley and pipes > From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:49:39 -0800 (PST) > > Hello, > > I'm your man for this one Nathan. > > Only 20....nay....16 miles away from me, are the > famous cylindrical flutes of the equally famous > Schulze organ of St.Bart's, Armley, Leeds, here in the > UK. > > Unfortunately, I can't find any photographs of them, > but the web site of the church has some rather good > images and information. > > http://www.armley-schulze.freeserve.co.uk/ > > Oh yes! Those flutes sound absolutely exquisite. > > Regards > > --- Nathan Smith <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > Hi list... > > > > As you all know, Audsley gives a page or two in > > The Art of Organ Building > > to wooden, cylindrical, orchestral flutes. I would > > like to know if any of > > these still exist, and if anyone has played or heard > > them > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > http://my.yahoo.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Putting an end to Evil > From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:00:48 -0500 > > > On Jan 7, 2005, at 5:09 PM, TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > > > Coupled strings are merely another step in the moral > > disintegration of > > the human race, and we must be resolute in our resolve to be resolved > > to bring > > coupled strings to justice.... > > Right on! I propose we introduce a constitutional amendment, to be > called "The Sanctity of the Organ Act," that would outlaw such > unnatural couplings. > > Randy Runyon > Zion Lutheran Church > Hamilton, Ohio > runyonr@muohio.eduj > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Putting an end to Evil > From: "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:04:45 -0500 > > Donate some $$ to Halliburton. . . that should guarantee such a bill > being passed! > > Cheers, > > Nicholas F. Russotto > > > > > On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:00:48 -0500, Randolph Runyon <runyonr@muohio.edu> = wrote: > > > > On Jan 7, 2005, at 5:09 PM, TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Coupled strings are merely another step in the moral > > > disintegration of > > > the human race, and we must be resolute in our resolve to be = resolved > > > to bring > > > coupled strings to justice.... > > > > Right on! I propose we introduce a constitutional amendment, to be > > called "The Sanctity of the Organ Act," that would outlaw such > > unnatural couplings. > > > > Randy Runyon > > Zion Lutheran Church > > Hamilton, Ohio > > runyonr@muohio.eduj > > > > > > ****************************************************************** > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > > > > > > -- > Organist, Early Instrument Enthusiast > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: RE: Oceans of Strings > From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:17:48 +1300 > > >I do not disagree entirely, but i think a little slush here and there = is > quite nice. > > I guess I'm speaking: no, I actually am speaking, from a NZ context, as = you > are speaking from yours. I'm sure your country, though, is not too = different > from NZ in that most churches wouldn't have an adequate organ of any = kind, > and only a few would be big enough and wealthy enough to have an organ = that > could afford slush as well as a couple of choruses of principals, a few > flutes, and a couple of reeds. Here, getting any interest at all in the > organ, of any kind, is an up-hill battle these days. Where 45 years ago = we > young ones (as we were then) used to argue about tracker vs electric = action, > and straight vs extension, and the merits of stopped vs open flutes, = these > days it's darned near impossible to raise a reaction for any kind of = organ > whatever. It's becoming the survival of any kind of organ that is the = major > battle. Where, 45 years ago, there used to be a queue of people wanting = any > kind of organ job (you know, 2 services a Sunday, 49 Sundays a year, for > just an annual total stipend of $300), these days it's almost impossible = to > find anyone to apply for any but the most senior of posts. > > >The congregation seems to like it. I think that should count > for something. > > I wonder how much it's a matter of "I like what I'm used to" rather than > anything else, here as in your organ culture? > > >I probably agree with you more than it appears to > either of us... its really your blanket statements I'm having trouble = with. > > I understand this, but we are speaking from different cultural = viewpoints: > NZ is not a clone of the USA and never has been, and you are not a clone = of > NZ culture. And that's one of the few facts in this wonderful discussion > we're having. > > >> I believe the clergy do, to be brutally honest. At least in the = Anglican > >> church, the Vicar is responsible for all that happens within the > >> church, and that includes the music. > > >As far as in the church, I absolutely agree. However, I'm not certain = that > > >all clergy in all denominations necessarily would share your views. > > Oh, absolutely. And even in an Anglican Church like ours here in NZ, the > clergy are idiots if they don't have a worship and/or liturgical = committee > and work in with them. > > >I apologize. > > Thanks for that. I'm not really offended, as it's extremely difficult to > have a serious discussion cross-culturally with a group through emails. = We > need, really, to be face to face and get to know each other as people. = If > only we could. Sigh. I'd really love to visit the USA organ and church = music > scene and visit and hear your churches and organs, including everything > you'd want to fling at me! I value enormously highly the time I've spent = in > the San Francisco area and could in two minutes devise a list of 150 = organs > across your country I'd love to hear and buildings I'd love to see. And = I'd > come a.s.a.p., too, if I had the money......Sigh. > > Ross > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Putting an end to Evil > From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:16:16 -0600 > > Hello, PipeChatters: > > I think Seb just said something in "politico speak." > > This probably justifies a detailed textual analysis > to determine its derivition, coloquial similitudes, and > potential predident for future considerations when > we may need to pull the "wool" over the eyes of > future unsuspecting neophites. > > NBC is portending such behavioral trends and > traits on Wednesday evenings, and they call it > "West Wing." > > Pucinni may have pre-emptied the whole politico > speak situation by havingGianni Schicci inquire of > Buosso Donatti's family, "What can such things be > portending? Of course, most of us would not catch > the import of the question for he was singing in > Italian, and the audience is down-home coutryfied > west Texas people. > > I'm sleepy. Going to take a nap. > > Ya All Enjoy, > F. Richard Burt > > > . > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Replacing Alleluias > From: <Steskinner@aol.com> > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:36:02 EST > > In a message dated 1/4/2005 11:57:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, > azeilenga@theatreorgans.com writes: > I want to know what everyone would think if I took the hymn Creator > Spirit by Whose Aid (tune LASST UNS ERFREUEN) and took out the Alleluias > and replaced them with "Praise to You, Lord". > I'm so confused. Is it just Hebrew (and its derivitives "Alleluia") that > we're not supposed to sing in Lent? Translating the Hebrew into English = is OK? > Seems to me that a "lenten discipline" ought to have more substance than > avoiding a certain language, but I'm willing to be further educated. > > > Steven Skinner > Minister of Music > First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant > Erie, PA > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Putting an end to Evil > From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:43:40 -0500 > > Seb, > > Did you forget to take your Lithium or Haldol this morning? > > Dr. Keith > > Subject: Putting an end to Evil > From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:09:43 EST > > Coupled strings are merely another step in the moral disintegration = of > the human race, and we must be resolute in our resolve to be resolved to > bring > coupled strings to justice. Coupled strings hate us because we love = freedom, > and we must be resolved and resolute in our resolution to bring the > evil-doing > coupled strings to justice. Until the evil that is coupled strings is > brought > to justice, people will continue to couple strings all over the world, = but > it > is better that we fight coupled strings on foreign soil, lest people > continue > to couple strings in our "Heimat." Those who couple strings hate our > freedom, > and they hate us because we want to bring liberty to the neoclassical > clarified > plenum by bringing the evil that is coupled strings to justice. We will > smoke > out the string couplers like the ferrets they are, and bring them to > justice, > and we must be strong and resolute in our pursuit of the liberty of the = true > organ in worship. To those who would use coupled strings in a worship > service > to try to destroy this great nation, I say: BRING 'EM ON!!!! > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: PIPE ORGAN IN "GONE WITH THE WIND" ??? > From: <ScottFop@aol.com> > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:55:31 EST > > Hello y'all > > I received as one of my Christmas gifts "Gone With the Wind" on DVD. It = is a > 4 disc set with many extras, including a beautifully restored picture, = color > and sound. Now, the pipe organ I refer to is not the one seen at the = left of > the chancel in the church-turned-hospital during the Atlanta scenes. = That one > does look like an "instrument" built by the Selznick organization's prop > department. > > At the end of disc one, where the Intermission music is, I walked to the > kitchen for a glass of ice water and stopped dead in my tracks when I = heard very > mild foundation-like tones and tremulants. Upon closer listening I = discovered > that there were other such stops that had been added (tibias, strings, = mild > reeds and diapasons) and that they were indeed tremulated; their beats = and depth > regulation were too even and precise to be human orchestral players. > > So, if I am not mistaken, might this be the MGM Wurlitzer organ (given > Selznick's merge with MGM for the picture's release), or did RKO Radio = have a studio > organ as well? I know that MGM had a Wurlitzer on one of the sound = stages. > > Anyway, something very interesting to research and learn about. OK = folks, > dig in! > > -Scott > > P.S. - this 4 disc set would make an excellent addition to any DVD > collection. > > Scott F. Foppiano > Memphis, TN (scottfop@aol.com) > Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Oceans of Strings > From: "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:40:00 +0800 > > Have I got it wrong or have some of the posters who have been targetting > Ross mistaken the drift of his complaint.? I also understood Ross to = have > been referring to New Zealand and not the UK with his remark on the = rarity > of Voxes and strings in church organs. > > I understood Ross's complaint to be about the use of an outlandish > combination suggested by one poster as being appropriate for a church > service, and not against the use of Vox Celestes and Vox humanas as such = in > church music. If this is what Ross was on about I whole heatedly agree = with > him. > > There is not all that much difference between a Vox Humana and a = Krummhorn > or for that matter a Regal, all of which have been used for centuries = in > organ music. But to mix Vox Humanas up with several Celestes, and = strings > with 16, 8, and 4' couplers, and putting the tremulant on the whole = sounds > to me to be ridiculous and I would agree with Ross.. However there are = no > organs in this state with the resources to try the combination out. > > I read somewhere of someone describing the sound of the Vox Humana as = the > bleating of a ninety year old nanny goat (or something like that). There > would be only 4 or 5 in the whole of Western Australia, two of those = in > theatre organs, and I have never heard them used in church services = except > on one organ where I used one myself when I was very young, but it was = used > solo in a Chorale Prelude then and not in combination. I know that the = organ > music of some of the French composers calls for a Vox Humana (e.g. Cesar > Franck, and the much maligned Edouard Batiste). They have their uses. > Personally I would choose another stop before I even considered a Vox = Humana > but of course in the huge organs in the USA onemay be put in as a matter = of > course. > Bob Elms. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com> > To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 10:25 PM > Subject: Re: Oceans of Strings > > > > Well, Ross's comments about strings have certainly set off a = firestorm! > > I'm afraid I would not last two days in his church. I would get his > > one warning on my first Sunday, and would soon be packing up for > > happier times in celeste-land. In America, we love our strings and > > voxes and all that stuff. Not a steady diet of them, but for adding > > color and variety nothing is better. Wasn't it Virgil Fox (not one of > > my heroes, but he did often get it right) who said something like: > > "More souls have been saved with Celeste's and Vox Humana's than any > > other stops." I think I've heard Fred Swann quote him on that. > > > > Ross claims that there are only a handful of strings in the UK, but I > > don't think that statement is anywhere near true, unless you limit = your > > search to dreary little parish organs of the more limited variety. > > Certainly I recall hearing celestes in most of the great cathedral > > organs in the UK. > snip Ken > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 6/01/2005 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Oceans of strings > From: "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:50:34 +0800 > > I don't think anyone was saying that organ srings are supposed to sound > exactly like a bow being drawn across violin strings. The fact remains = that > string pipes have what is universally called a "stringy" character just = as > organ flutes have a "flutey" character without sounding like an = orchestral > flute (even though some do imitate that instrument fairly well). > There are four families of organ tone - principal (or diapason), = string, > flute and reed. That is a fact and there is no reference to orchestral = in > those names. The names merely indicate the family of sound in organ = stops. > Bob Elms. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 11:31 PM > Subject: Re: Oceans of strings > > > >I have said this before on these lists, - I never can hear a string = sound > >on a pipe organ! > > In my view, a noise generated by a pipe being blown by wind pressure, > > cannot ever be said to imitate a horse haired bow being dragged across = a > > gut string! There isn't even a similarity of any sort. > > But then, I am not an organist, and can never kid myself that there is = a > > wonderful "string" section of any kind. > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 6/01/2005 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: RE: Oceans of Strings > From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:57:42 +1300 > > Bob, > > Thanks for your posting. > > >Have I got it wrong or have some of the posters who have been = targetting > Ross mistaken the drift of his complaint.? I also understood Ross to = have > been referring to New Zealand and not the UK with his remark on the = rarity > of Voxes and strings in church organs. > > Aye. Strings are not rare here, as I've tried twice to say. Chorus = strings, > though, are non-existent in NZ and almost non-existent in the UK. > > >I understood Ross's complaint to be about the use of an outlandish > combination suggested by one poster as being appropriate for a church > service, and not against the use of Vox Celestes and Vox humanas as such = in > church music. If this is what Ross was on about I whole heatedly agree = with > him. > > Yea, verily :-) I'm so pleased you "whole-heatedly" agree with me. > That sounds so much more enthusiastic than just "whole-heartedly". May I = use > this wonderful new word of yours? I'm all for new terms and words. > > >to mix Vox Humanas up with several Celestes, and strings > with 16, 8, and 4' couplers, and putting the tremulant on the whole = sounds > to me to be ridiculous and I would agree with Ross.. > > That's what I was saying. > > >I know that the organ music of some of the French composers calls for a = Vox > Humana (e.g. Cesar Franck, and the much maligned Edouard Batiste). They = have > their uses. > > I love the French classics: Couperin, du Mage, Guilain, Clerambault, > Dandrieu, de Grigny etc., and it's impossible to play tbeir music = without a > good Vox Humana / Voix Humaine. I love the sound of fractional reeds - > that's why I admitted in another posting today to having two of them for = my > home organ here. Especially, I love the guttural sound of a big-scale = Vox > Humana on an unenclosed chest. Too, an unenclosed Vox is a wonderful = stop > for combining with flutes and/or mutations for the cantus in so very = many > chorale preludes in Bach and the rest of the north European tradition. > > >Personally I would choose another stop before I even considered a Vox > Humana > but of course in the huge organs in the USA onemay be put in as a matter = of > course. > > The reeds to have in an organ, for me, in order of importance, would be > Trumpet, Clarinet/Cremona, Vox Humana, Oboe. > > So, you see, I'm not anti-Vox at all, but just the slush/sentimentality > mentioned here. As an Australian, Bob clearly understands what I've been > trying to get across. > > Ross > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: String Organ v. Full Slush > From: "Charlie Lester" <crl@137.com> > Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 17:12:10 -0800 > > Sebastian Gluck wrote, > > =3D-> There are a few instruments here in the United States > that can very effectively suggest string tone, to the point > of convincing imitation. The effect is NOT achieved with > sub- and super-coupling. <-=3D > > > Right. I guess some distinction needs to be made between > "massed string tone" and "Full Slush" for those who are > comfortably unfamiliar with both. > > Surely any of the good romantic builders in the earlier part > of the century could, and did, build fine string stops. But > a couple took that particular aspect of the art of > organbuilding to its highest point, and I'd say two in > particular were Austin and E.M.Skinner, with Kimball and > Robert Morton running close behind. > > Any large Austin would have plenty of strings and many of > them also had floating String Organs which, as Sebastian > rightly pointed out, would have their own sort of "principal > chorus" -- massed sets of unison strings [even Contrabasses > in some of them], then both sharp and flat celestes, > sometimes even "Vibrato Strings" where the tuning was set > pungently enough to suggest vibrato, then strings and > (fewer) celestes at octave pitch, then a variety of > "harmonically corroborating" upperwork mixtures such as Viol > Mixtures, Dolce Cornets, etc., that usually contained > 3rd-sounding and sometimes septieme-sounding ranks. Also, a > good string organ would have several ranks of Quintadenas at > unison pitch to add fundamental and body to the massed > string tone. And a really comprehensive section would have > unison registers at different dynamic and color levels > including sub-choruses of muted string-tone. > > What some may not realize is that this type of String Organ > was put forth in its fullest form by G. Ashdown Audsley in > his voluminous books that, had he been smart, he would have > sold by weight! For all the unconventional and, in some ways > amateurish ideals that he set forth, he really was pretty > much conventionally minded and frequently railed against the > "wooly mammoth" organs so in favor in his time. He spoke out > for all divisions containing clear and full upperwork - the > main difference between his ideas and more current thought > was that he also espoused complete enclosure of organs, and > in some cases dividing each division into two - with the > foundation and unison stops in one box and then upperwork > and mixtures in a 2nd box so that the intensity of the > upperwork could be regulated independently. > > And of course, indeed the utter pinnacle of this art is the > 88-rank String Organ at Wanamakers -- which organ had its > origins in one designed by Audsley and built by the Los > Angeles Art Organ Company for the 1904 St. Louis World's > Fair. That organ was then bought and greatly expanded upon > by Rodman Wanamaker but still more or less following > Audsley's ideals of tonal design. > > Reading down the stop list of the Wanamaker String Organ > gives no indication whatsoever of what really goes on in > that division. People looking at the numerous duplications > of 8-foot pitch without hearing it usually ask with great > puzzlement, "WHY?" Folks, you just have to hear it to > understand. > > ------- > > THEN, "Full Slush" falls somewhere between the String Organ > and "Full Wurlitzer Throbulation." It is more a tremulous > and "romantic" sound than just orchestral strings as in a > String Organ. > > But what you have to understand is, you don't start out with > EVERY string, flute, harp, couplers, voxes and 32s in the > pedal. You start with a few and keep adding, or terrace the > level so that you can play a solo line on one manual and > accompaniment on another. > > THIS "school" of registration was actually taken to its > greatest height by Virgil Fox when he was at Riverside. Say > what you will about his mannerisms and personal dress code, > one area he did excel in FAR above the average organist was > registration. He could start with an Echo Flute Celeste, > build through the various strings, trems, couplers, harps, > voxes, then start adding in mild chorus reeds, then more in > the pedal, then stronger unison tone while simultaneously > and gradually retiring the trems and celeste ranks and then > slowly bringing on more mixtures and upperwork and big reeds > until before you knew it he was at Full Organ. Then he'd go > the other way - smoothly and seamlessly making his way back > to that Flute Celeste wafting down from on high. > > And THAT, really, is "Full Slush" in its full glory! > > This IS a whole different art form than "High Anglican" and, > yes, I can see how it would be totally foreign to someone > unfamiliar with it. But as others have said, Please ... > don't dismiss it out of hand just because it's not what > "y'all do." > > ~ > C > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Subject: RE: Jonathon's Remarks on Worship > From: "Charlie Lester" <crl@137.com> > Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 17:18:28 -0800 > > "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> wrote, [excerpted] > > =3D-> Let me tell you the truth of the matter in this parish. > As I've said before, we have three churches in the parish, > two of them having 2m Allens and the other a 1m > Ahlborn-Galanti. <-=3D > > > Well, "frankly my dears," I'd rather play Full Slush on the > pipe organs in my two churches than to play High Shriek on > an Allen or Galanti.......! But, then, "them's my druthers" > --- I'd certainly not begrudge the fine folks in New Zealand > the fare they are used to. I just couldn't imagine ... well, > never mind. > > ~ > C > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > End of PipeChat Digest > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >