PipeChat Digest #5078 - Thursday, January 13, 2005
 
Re: Richer Content In Praise Songs
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Sorabji
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Richer Content In Praise Songs
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: New MP3 avaialable - Richard White's Toccata
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
Re: Sorabji
  by "Malcolm Wechsler \(Mander Organs\)" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Sorabji ordeal
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Sorabji
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Don't forget - Trent Sims plays Rochester 4/23 Wurlitzer Sunday! (cross-p
  by "Kenneth Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com>
Tonal Styles
  by "Alex Hendrickson" <alex.hendrickson@gmail.com>
RE: Tonal Styles
  by "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@comcast.net>
Re: Tonal Styles
  by "Alex Hendrickson" <alex.hendrickson@gmail.com>
Re: Tonal Styles
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
And the beat goes on...
  by "Charlie Lester" <crl@137.com>
Re: Tonal Styles
  by "Alex Hendrickson" <alex.hendrickson@gmail.com>
Re: Richer Content In Praise Songs
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Richer Content In Praise Songs
  by "Alex Hendrickson" <alex.hendrickson@gmail.com>
Re: New MP3 avaialable - Richard White's Toccata
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Tellers Combo organ interests,,,for those interested
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Richer Content In Praise Songs From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:30:34 EST   In a message dated 1/12/2005 10:37:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, giwro@adelphia.net writes:   and I said I was gonna keep my mouth shut       you can't because you live with a job that has both worlds in it. i will just say that USUALLY, contemporary worship teams do NOT practice enough. but then, i know organists that do not play through Sunday's service = before it happens either. nope, we are ALL in trouble for not doing our best. bring back Calvin and no instruments. dale in Florida  
(back) Subject: Re: Sorabji From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 03:14:30 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   I first became aware of Sorabji thanks to the organist of Halifax PC here in the UK, who as a student, had the boldness to walk up to the great man's front door and knock on it!   Apparently, Sorabji took a liking to him, and they remained in regular contact.   The organist at Halifax has some of his music, but whether it is the original or printed version, I am not sure.   Philip Tordoff has a formidable technique, and great sight-reading ability. He reckons that the music is almost unplayable, and really not worth the effort!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- Robert Lind <lindr@core.com> wrote:   > I probably first became aware of Sorabji in the > 1960s through Slonimski's > Baker's Dictionary.     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Richer Content In Praise Songs From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 03:16:53 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   How refreshing to see this in print!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Devon3000@aol.com wrote:   > I really long for the days when worship was > mysterious, exalting, silent at > times, roof-raising when singing hymns, and when > preaching was stimulating and > challenging to the core. I know there are still > places like this, but having > part or all of the above is sadly a rarity.       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail  
(back) Subject: Re: New MP3 avaialable - Richard White's Toccata From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:59:11 -0500   I listened to this mp3 as soon as this message was posted, and haven't = been able to stop listening to it since. Anyone else having this problem? :) Andy   On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 22:50:16 -0800, Jonathan Orwig wrote > Dear fellow organophiles, > > I am pleased to offer a recording of Richard White's Toccata for > your downloading pleasure: > http://evensongmusic.net/audio/WhiteToccata.mp3 (6.1mb, 192 kbps > file for broadband users or very patient dial-up users ) or > http://evensongmusic.net/audio/LQ/WhiteToccataLQ.mp3 (1mb, lower > quality for dial-up users) >   A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Sorabji From: "Malcolm Wechsler \(Mander Organs\)" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:55:19 -0500   Oh Dear, let me dig my teeth into this one, in response to postings by Robert Lind and Colin Mitchell:   I attended the International Congress of Organists in Cambridge (UK) in 1987, a congress that closed with a "London Day." One of the great events was to be, and was, the world premiere of the Sorabji Symphony for Organ, = at Holy Trinity, Sloane Square. The composer was not in attendance! Two performers were pressed into service to play this work, one playing a movement, and then having a LONG rest while the other played the next movement, and so on. Thomas Trotter and Kevin Bowyer were the two = Organists.   I don't recall what time this concert was to begin, but it had to be something like 10:30 in the morning, because hunger played a part in what ultimately happened to some of us. I had driven down with David Liddle, = and he and I and his valiant guide dog "Crane" were sitting together in a pew. =   The church was perhaps half full, but it soon was made evident that we = were awaiting most of the congress-goers, who were coming on the coaches from Cambridge. Waiting was an imperative, as the BBC were there in force to record the concert, and as late as it got, they needed to wait to avoid = the sound of hundreds of annoyed and hungry travellers from Cambridge arriving =   and finding seats. What had happened to those weary coach travellers was, perhaps, emblematic of the entire congress. The buses were packed with luggage as well as the people who owned it. This was the end of the = I.C.O., and people were either settling into London hotels for the night or were going on home. Cruising down the Motorway, someone came to the unpleasant realization that the luggage and the owners of that luggage were not on = the same buses. Drivers having communicated, it was agreed that all the = coaches would rendezvous at a certain service area on the Motorway to set things right. I am so glad I was not there!   Those of us sitting in the church waited at least one hour, if not longer. =   Ultimately, the music began, and I, for one, could make nothing of it. To me, it seemed an odd sort of counterpoint, devoid of meaning and beauty, from some netherworld. The first movement was perhaps something like fifty =   minutes in length. We were hungry, tired, and had not connected to this music in any way. We did, however, allow another movement to begin! It was =   long, and more of the same, and when it was over, we decided we needed to leave, to get some lunch before a scheduled concert by David Hill at Westminster Cathedral, a cleansing of the palate. We were fairly far down front, and made an interesting procession toward the west door, me, David, =   and a Yellow Lab. Nearer to the back, we encountered Felix Aprahamian, who =   had been talking up this event and its importance. He was a bit disturbed that we were giving up, and tried to persuade us to stay. "The next = movement is the best." One of our mutual friends, a wonderful character, a tenor no =   less, added to Felix's persuasive talk, by saying, "There actually was one =   most beautiful chord, I think it was about 35 minutes ago." We toddled off =   to a most pleasant lunch.   Kevin Bowyer thought enough of this work to ultimately record the entire thing, probably on two CDs (at least). I have often thought that I should buy that recording, to try once again to appreciate this, to me, wholly unlovable music.   I don't know if it has had another live performance.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 6:14 AM Subject: Re: Sorabji     > Hello, >   > The organist at Halifax has some of his music, but > whether it is the original or printed version, I am > not sure. > > Philip Tordoff has a formidable technique, and great > sight-reading ability. He reckons that the music is > almost unplayable, and really not worth the effort! > > Regards, > > Colin Mitchell UK >      
(back) Subject: Re: Sorabji ordeal From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:18:17 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   I suspect that Malcolm hits upon another phenomenon in music, and especially organ music.   It's called, "Let's do something really intellectual to impress my peers."   Now, I will say at the outset, that Kevin Bowyer is a fine performer....St.Alban's winner with the Reger B.A.C.H etc etc.   But isn't it just so "Ivory towers," so pretentious and so really irrelevant to the art of music making, that ANYONE should waste more than five minutes on music which was clearly written by someone of dubious musical ability but extraordinary intellect?   Perhaps it just me. Perhaps I am a philistine. Maybe I just hate academia which is self-serving, self-selecting and unaccountable to true art.   I hold my hand up in defence of real music.   I suppose that, if something sits on paper long enough, someone has to give it an airing, but wouldn't it have been better behind closed doors with a private audience of Felix Aprahamian and anyone else who may express an unlikely interest.   I bet they talked about it for months at the RCO!   Malcolm says it all......the music just obviously didn't connect in any way; even with the excellent David Liddle.   I shall have to test Philip Tordoff's reaction next time I see him, and ask him to play some of it. I have the very odd feeling that he would probably respond, "I've got a bus to catch. Let's have a beer instead!"   I hope the Labrador wrote the review for "The Times."   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- "Malcolm Wechsler (Mander Organs)"   > Ultimately, the music began, and I, for one, could > make nothing of it. > > The first movement was > perhaps something like fifty > minutes in length. > > Nearer to the back, we encountered > Felix Aprahamian, who > had been talking up this event and its importance. > He was a bit disturbed > that we were giving up, and tried to persuade us to > stay   > Kevin Bowyer thought enough of this work to > ultimately record the entire > thing, probably on two     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Sorabji From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:22:21 -0500     > >Kevin Bowyer thought enough of this work to ultimately record the entire >thing, probably on two CDs (at least). I have often thought that I should =   >buy that recording, to try once again to appreciate this, to me, wholly >unlovable music. > >I don't know if it has had another live performance. > >Cheers, > >Malcolm Wechsler   Malcolm,   Once when I was doing a service call, the owner of the instrument I worked =   on, asked me about Sorabji. I said never heard of him. Then he pulled = out the music, most pages were more black than white. Then he put on Bowyer's =   recording of it, and we tried to follow it in the music. Listening and following it at the same time, it was so incomprehensible, that after = about 10 minutes I had more than enough.   I would hardly even characterize this composition as music. It is more sophisticated noise making.   I suggest spending your money and time on more lovable music.   Arie V.      
(back) Subject: Don't forget - Trent Sims plays Rochester 4/23 Wurlitzer Sunday! (cross-posted) From: "Kenneth Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:58:51 -0500   Just a reminder that the Rochester Theater Organ Society is very pleased = to present Ohio's Trent Sims for his encore performance this coming Sunday afternoon at our 4/23 Wurlitzer pipe organ. This event will be held in the =   NEW Auditorium Theatre, 875 East Main Street, Rochester, NY 14605 on = Sunday afternoon, January 16 at 2:30 PM. Tickets at only $15 each will go on sale =   at the box office one hour before the concert start.   You are invited to visit our website at http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/ for concert details, driving directions and much more. Please join us for = a Sunday afternoon of great musical entertainment.   Ken Evans, RTOS Director (past-President), kevans1@rochester.rr.com      
(back) Subject: Tonal Styles From: "Alex Hendrickson" <alex.hendrickson@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:06:45 -0600   Can anybody tell me how many different tonal styles there are in all??? I've been doing some preliminary work, and it comes out to more than the standard 4, does anybody know??   Thanks,   Alex   -- Alex Hendrickson   St. Paul's RC Church, Johnston City, Illinois St. Joseph's RC Church, Benton, Illinois  
(back) Subject: RE: Tonal Styles From: "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:14:45 -0600   ,,,and the "standard four" would be,,,?   Michael - confused as always     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of = Alex Hendrickson Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:07 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Tonal Styles   Can anybody tell me how many different tonal styles there are in all??? I've been doing some preliminary work, and it comes out to more than the standard 4, does anybody know??   Thanks,   Alex   -- Alex Hendrickson   St. Paul's RC Church, Johnston City, Illinois St. Joseph's RC Church, Benton, Illinois      
(back) Subject: Re: Tonal Styles From: "Alex Hendrickson" <alex.hendrickson@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:22:39 -0600   American Classic, French Romantic, Neo-Baroque, and English Cathedral... Here are the one's I've found... On my own....   American Classic, French Romantic, Neo-Baroque, English Cathedral, Symphonic, Spanish Basilica, Modernist (look at Julian Rhodes)   Any others???   Alex     On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:14:45 -0600, Michael David <michaelandmaggy@comcast.net> wrote: > ,,,and the "standard four" would be,,,? > > Michael - confused as always > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of = Alex > Hendrickson > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:07 AM > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Tonal Styles > > Can anybody tell me how many different tonal styles there are in > all??? I've been doing some preliminary work, and it comes out to more > than the standard 4, does anybody know?? > > Thanks, > > Alex > > -- > Alex Hendrickson > > St. Paul's RC Church, Johnston City, Illinois > St. Joseph's RC Church, Benton, Illinois > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >     -- Alex Hendrickson   St. Paul's RC Church, Johnston City, Illinois St. Joseph's RC Church, Benton, Illinois  
(back) Subject: Re: Tonal Styles From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:32:07 -0600   Hello, Alex:   When you allow only these "styles," you imply that musical style resides exclusively within the liturgical church traditions.   Among the Protestants in the South and Southwest United States, we have a very large number of churches which are basically "evangelical" in style and tradition. The key elements of music rendered in most of these churches are melodic elements based on familiar hymns and gospel songs, easy rhythmic treatment, mostly classic harmonic progression, and (sometimes) deliberate playing to disassociate this music from the liturgical traditional styles. You can take it from there. It is a free style, and can be largely improvised under the hands of a talented organist.   F. Richard Burt     > American Classic, French Romantic, Neo-Baroque, and English > Cathedral... Here are the one's I've found... On my own.... > > American Classic, French Romantic, Neo-Baroque, English Cathedral, > Symphonic, Spanish Basilica, Modernist (look at Julian Rhodes) > > Any others??? > > Alex     ..      
(back) Subject: And the beat goes on... From: "Charlie Lester" <crl@137.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:34:04 -0800   =3D-> I've admitted ["Praise Band Music"] is sometimes done poorly... so is a lot of traditional music <-=3D     Boy, you've got that right. And a lot of the "poor doings" are done by those who are ensconced in ivory towers - playing GOOD music BADLY and on mediocre pipe organs - who look down on all the rest of the musical world with self-satisfied disdain as they inflict their short-of-the-mark labors upon hapless parishes whom they have held captive.   It's far easier to heap scorn on what we perceive as the shortcomings of others than it is to work toward bettering our own work, isn't it.   ~ C      
(back) Subject: Re: Tonal Styles From: "Alex Hendrickson" <alex.hendrickson@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:38:04 -0600   Yes, you have to understand though that I am not doing this with the Protestant church in mind, nor any church really.   This is solely for the sake of writing a bit on organs, I am looking at the styles of organ tonal design over the centuries, not what you all may be doing in church at the moment.   You must be misunderstood here, what I am talking about is the different styles of voicing the organ pipes to manipulate them to sound like the organs in France or England did, I am NOT talking about musical styles, or how one piece of music sounds different from another, this is about the stylistic sound of the organ pipes, not the music that is played on them....   BTW, I'm and R.C., so watch out.... ;-)   As you were,   Alex     On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:32:07 -0600, F. Richard Burt <effarbee@verizon.net> wrote: > Hello, Alex: > > When you allow only these "styles," you imply that musical > style resides exclusively within the liturgical church traditions. > > Among the Protestants in the South and Southwest United > States, we have a very large number of churches which are > basically "evangelical" in style and tradition. The key elements > of music rendered in most of these churches are melodic > elements based on familiar hymns and gospel songs, easy > rhythmic treatment, mostly classic harmonic progression, > and (sometimes) deliberate playing to disassociate this > music from the liturgical traditional styles. You can take > it from there. It is a free style, and can be largely improvised > under the hands of a talented organist. > > F. Richard Burt > > > > American Classic, French Romantic, Neo-Baroque, and English > > Cathedral... Here are the one's I've found... On my own.... > > > > American Classic, French Romantic, Neo-Baroque, English > Cathedral, > > Symphonic, Spanish Basilica, Modernist (look at Julian Rhodes) > > > > Any others??? > > > > Alex > > > . > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >     -- Alex Hendrickson   St. Paul's RC Church, Johnston City, Illinois St. Joseph's RC Church, Benton, Illinois  
(back) Subject: Re: Richer Content In Praise Songs From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:42:50 EST   Jonathan:   If I desire contemporary music for a worship service, I would consider finding a church whose tradition it is to have it and do it well.   The other side of the coin is if I desire a traditional service with traditional music, organ and choral, I should be able to find a traditional main line church who also does it well.   The problem is the main line church's have gone Wako, with poorly done contempo trash, and the attitude is, It's going to be our way or the hyway. You Vil eventually like it, if not too bad. That get's my back up. In the Catholic Church today that seems to be the attitude. My being a traditional Catholic without a comfortable place to worship, My attitude is take it and stick it where the moon don't shine. I don't worship well with this junk rammed down my throat. It's better not going at all, than being so angry by the end of the so called service, that I'm livid at what I see and hear as worship of God. I have refined tastes that should be honored. I don't go to hear someone's latest ditty no matter how poor, or liturgically banal.   If you really like that stuff, fine I will support your right to it, but don't be condescending, like I should get down and get with it and just get modern. I prefer old fashioned, tried and true. What we really have here is church busting, tradition busting, and I have no use for it. I don't want to hear styles that remind me of stuff I hear on radio all week. I desire the sublime rather than the ridiculous.   Jonathan all your organ mp3's are lovely and traditional, and I like them.   Ron Severin    
(back) Subject: Re: Richer Content In Praise Songs From: "Alex Hendrickson" <alex.hendrickson@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:49:46 -0600   I agree whole-heartedly with Ron on almost everything that he says, I too am an R.C. completely disgusted with all of this contemporary garbage, it almost makes me want to go Episcopalian, where they don't have all of that stuff to such a high degree if any. If church was meant to have contemporary music, God would have put it there in the first place. Instead, he put chant and classical music there that dates back to the very beginning of time; there have been monks forever, singing those wonderful lines of chant.   If he'd of really wanted Contemporary, he would have started it in the first place.   With my beliefs, I stand un-shakeable...   A. Hendrickson     On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:42:50 EST, RonSeverin@aol.com <RonSeverin@aol.com> = wrote: > Jonathan: > > If I desire contemporary music for a worship service, I would > consider finding a church whose tradition it is to have it and > do it well. > > The other side of the coin is if I desire a traditional service > with traditional music, organ and choral, I should be able > to find a traditional main line church who also does it well. > > The problem is the main line church's have gone Wako, > with poorly done contempo trash, and the attitude is, It's > going to be our way or the hyway. You Vil eventually like > it, if not too bad. That get's my back up. In the Catholic > Church today that seems to be the attitude. My being > a traditional Catholic without a comfortable place to worship, > My attitude is take it and stick it where the moon don't shine. > I don't worship well with this junk rammed down my throat. > It's better not going at all, than being so angry by the end of the > so called service, that I'm livid at what I see and hear as worship > of God. I have refined tastes that should be honored. I don't go > to hear someone's latest ditty no matter how poor, or liturgically > banal. > > If you really like that stuff, fine I will support your right to it, = but > don't be condescending, like I should get down and get with it > and just get modern. I prefer old fashioned, tried and true. What > we really have here is church busting, tradition busting, and I > have no use for it. I don't want to hear styles that remind me > of stuff I hear on radio all week. I desire the sublime rather than > the ridiculous. > > Jonathan all your organ mp3's are lovely and traditional, and I > like them. > > Ron Severin > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >     -- Alex Hendrickson   St. Paul's RC Church, Johnston City, Illinois St. Joseph's RC Church, Benton, Illinois  
(back) Subject: Re: New MP3 avaialable - Richard White's Toccata From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:53:14 -0500   At 07:59 AM 1/13/2005, Andy wrote: >I listened to this mp3 as soon as this message was posted, and haven't = been >able to stop listening to it since. Anyone else having this problem? >:) >Andy   Since you ask, Andy, I downloaded the Richard White Toccata, played it through once, and will probably not play it again for a long time!   I don't think it a memorable piece, - not for me, anyway. It just goes on and on too long! Maybe if it were cut off at midpoint it would be better.   Just my tuppence worth.   Bob Conway - But thanks to Jonathan orwig for letting us hear it!    
(back) Subject: Tellers Combo organ interests,,,for those interested From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:17:33 -0800 (PST)   A new group designed to discuss the ins and outs of pipe/digital organs,(a concept created by Tellers Organs using Conn Organ Consoles and a bit later successfully implemented by Rodgers Organs) is now up and working...   This is an attempt to assist those interested in the questions of interface, tuning, design and so on...the discussion will not be limited to Rodgers Organs, but Rodgers will have a definite presence.   Why a separate group? There are a lot of misconceptions and specific questions on organ groups often spark a discussion of the pros and cons...while the original question goes unanswered...tuning issues, for example, and how they are handled.   You may join this group at:   http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/pipe-digitalorgans/     --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.